Duh! Let's face it, most of the folks here aren't even sysadmins, they're wannabe sysadmins. Installing a Linux distro at home on a x86 and even networking your house with it doesn't make you a real (good) sysadmin. It's a great learning experience, but that's about it.
As far as the math goes, most programmers I've met aren't real strong in math. But then, most of the programmers I know do (and most of the programming I do) straight-up business applications. If there's any math in there, it usually gets handed to you by an accountant/actuary/whomever with about a ream of documentation. That's just the reality of it for math skills. It's much more important that I be able to manage very complex systems and keep my soft skills strong. Those I use every day.
...and I'm no prude. In fact, the content of the ads doesn't get the least bit of rise out of me in any way; it's way too tame for that.
BUT... I do object to having companies in general resort to using the absolutely most base and crass material in order to sell their product. It's ugly, it doesn't add to anyone's experience, it shows a lack of intelligence on their part, and (perhaps most importantly) they imply that their customers and customers-to-be can't think rationally and make all our purchasing decisions with our genitalia.
...because the version management software would need to be 'aware' of all the possible formats you could save in it. It would need to know about MS Word, HTML, Rich Text, WordPerfect, Works, AbiWord, TeX, Postscript, Write, etc. etc. etc.
The point is that there are probably over 200 word processors out there. Some of them are proprietary format too. Oh, and they can all change their save format from version to version of the software.
And that's just word processors. Now, think about spreadsheet software, presentation software, etc. etc. etc.
It really is a lot to ask of the version management software.
It's not impossible. I'll never say that. But is it really reasonable?
Ok, I dutifully followed the link. Here's the list of news stories on the page. Someone tell me which one is the stinker.
News Stories
- Santomero Sees Room for More Rate Cuts - Reuters (Jan 10, 2002)
- Recession wiped out '02 surplus, report says - USA Today (Jan 10, 2002)
- Last-Minute Shoppers Save Retailers - AP (Jan 10, 2002)
- Recession top cause of deficit - USA Today (Jan 10, 2002)
- Debts, recession make bankruptcies surge - Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Jan 10, 2002)
- Rates Remain High. Blame Bush Budget or Big Expectations? - NY Times (registration req'd) (Jan 9, 2002)
- New debt may stall recovery - Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Jan 9, 2002)
- President keeps hammering on his tax-cut proposal - San Francisco Chronicle (Jan 8, 2002)
- Fed Officials Differ on Rebound Timing - Reuters (Jan 8, 2002)
- Recession's grip begins to loosen - Chicago Tribune (Jan 8, 2002)
- Santomero: Data Provide Hope for Recovery - Reuters (Jan 8, 2002)
- Factory Orders Down in November - Reuters (Jan 8, 2002)
- Chain Store Sales Dip in Jan 5 Week - Reuters (Jan 8, 2002)
- Factory Orders Drop 3.3 Percent - AP (Jan 8, 2002)
- Bush Says He May Not Seek Balanced Budget This Year - NY Times (registration req'd) (Jan 8, 2002)
And, so how are you able to run a diff of some sort against your document? Unless your tools supports this (MS Word does BTW), then you are SOL. I think it's too much to ask the version management software to do that.
Now, if you're using pure ASCII files to do your document, you can easily diff the file and inspect it using many other common stream tools (e.g. grep, perl, wc, uniq, etc.) for many purposes.
So, who gets to keep track of that data? In the BBS days, you had a centralized system in place to do that. Who securely fulfills this function in the P2P world?
This certainly isn't the worst story that has been posted by Taco et al, but it's still bad. The fact that it can stimulate a lot of discussion doesn't make it any more intelligent.
So, I think top level stories should be subject to moderation. Then, everyone would have an (approximate) idea of which stories really are the best.
From: "Matt Hiltner"
To: "'Neil Schwartzman'"
Subject: Open letter to spammers
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:57:00 -0600
Mr. Spammer, you swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As they say in Texas. I'll bet you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.
You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.
You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done.
I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?
Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.
You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.
You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.
And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake? You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.
On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.
You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.
You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away. I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you my not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.
The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.
...and we'll see how you feel when you get to that point. You gonna give up the profession you love just so your company can get off cheap?
Why *shouldn't* a company spend money to make machines work in a way that does not hurt? Why *should* it be painful? I agree that there is a limit, but companies can spend very reasonable amounts of money to help people out. Sound like she got grabby, but it isn't reasonable IMHO to think that companies shouldn't try to help out all the same.
What's pathetic is not thinking about your answer before hitting submit.
And BTW - Metallica's Black Album rocks.. so there!:)
Because many, many people who use AOL also have a second phone line to support their AOL connection so the phone doesn't get tied up. At something like $15/month (YMMV) for the phone line too, you're actually talking about $23/month for AOL (correct?) + $15/month for the phone line = $38/month for just AOL. If broadband is $46 month for them, like it is for me, then that's just another $8/month.
Hell, that $8 will be more than made up for in the sheer number of other things I *don't* spend money on because I'm too busy online.
Actually, I've done this. Back on my Amiga 500, I had no way to back up my *massive* (chuckle) 120 MB hard drive, so I used a VCR backup kit. It was a bugger to use, but it was the poor man's ass saver for sure!
The DC memory cartridges that you can stick in the controller to hold save games can also hold mini-games downloaded from the DC console (which some DC games had right on the disc). Then you can play these little games on a little monochrome screen with a Gameboy like unit (direction + button A + button B). Really, it was kind of pathetic, but cool in a weird way.
Dude, I hope you know that you're not funny. I mean, I'm not even offended by the obvious religious trash-talk, and I still find your comment pretty stupid.
Well, I took your advice and tried it. And I can't tell you how it is. After about 20 minutes of fiddling (why don't they have an installer?) I came up with the following:
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sun/jdi/connect/Connector
at com.intellij.debugger.a.t.a(t.java:1)
at com.intellij.project.a.b.a(b.java:14)
at com.intellij.project.a.e.d(e.java:4)
at com.intellij.project.a.e.c(e.java:15)
at com.intellij.project.a.e.a(e.java:14)
at com.intellij.idea.a.a(a.java:125)
at com.intellij.idea.Main.a(Main.java:17)
at com.intellij.idea.Main.main(Main.java:19)
Their site doesn't seem to have a knowledge base or anything either.
Actually, I agree. I've really come to appreciate what the Java inertia contributed to the market; C# and.NET would probably not have been needed if Java hadn't done as well as it has.
You know, there are those of us who actually love having the choices. I hope the Java market stays strong and keeps Microsoft on their toes. Likewise, I hope Microsoft stays strong and keeps everyone else on their toes.
And as far as the rest of us are concerned, we can only benefit from this.
If it were I might agree with you for the reasons you state. But, in fact, the "still-haven't-seen-it" C# compiler from Microsoft can be obtained in a SDK from Microsoft at here.
It's not free "as in speech", but it is free "as in beer".
Also, I think that, in the end that you're right about "Bill & Co. will definately come out with a way to extend it either by libraries or functionality that will leave Miguel in a constant state of catch-up". Only Microsoft will be smart enough not to touch core functionality, it will be just enough to provide the veneer of portability, which will become a selling point of.NET (and therefore Windows) in the future. What they'll do instead is make platform dependent improvements that either can't be ported, or will be difficult to port. Actually, now that I think about it, they're already doing that. It's called the.NET Enterprise servers. If you're using.NET, it will make a lot of sense to use those products that will require Windows on the server.
So, yes,.NET is fundamentally a strike against all other platforms. It will be a small consolation to have all your C# code running on your Linux server, only to have it surrounded by.NET Enterprise servers.
I feel obligated to point out that, while all of this sounds very onerous and hateful, Microsoft isn't doing anything wrong in this area at all. They're simply providing more value on top of their platform than the competition can provide.
Finally, I think anyone will admit it's nice to have the option to use C# on Linux. C# is turning out to be pretty sweet and I for one would like to have it as a portable language skill.
*ironic mode on*
Gee, maybe everyone would prefer that C# would just die and go away? That way, the other leading language contender in the market, Java, could just take the market. After all, it's not under the influence of the "evil corporations", like C# is.
*ironic mode off*
At least this is still a fair fight between MS and the rest of the world and at least we'll have a choice.
BTW - The open source world already has at least two languages that are achieving.NET capability: Python and PERL. Check out ActiveState.com.
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Duh! Let's face it, most of the folks here aren't even sysadmins, they're wannabe sysadmins. Installing a Linux distro at home on a x86 and even networking your house with it doesn't make you a real (good) sysadmin. It's a great learning experience, but that's about it.
As far as the math goes, most programmers I've met aren't real strong in math. But then, most of the programmers I know do (and most of the programming I do) straight-up business applications. If there's any math in there, it usually gets handed to you by an accountant/actuary/whomever with about a ream of documentation. That's just the reality of it for math skills. It's much more important that I be able to manage very complex systems and keep my soft skills strong. Those I use every day.
Thank you; that's what I meant. I regularly stick binaries away in VSS. I just don't expect it to do anything fancy with the binary for me.
...and I'm no prude. In fact, the content of the ads doesn't get the least bit of rise out of me in any way; it's way too tame for that.
BUT... I do object to having companies in general resort to using the absolutely most base and crass material in order to sell their product. It's ugly, it doesn't add to anyone's experience, it shows a lack of intelligence on their part, and (perhaps most importantly) they imply that their customers and customers-to-be can't think rationally and make all our purchasing decisions with our genitalia.
So, yes, I do object. They can do much better.
...because the version management software would need to be 'aware' of all the possible formats you could save in it. It would need to know about MS Word, HTML, Rich Text, WordPerfect, Works, AbiWord, TeX, Postscript, Write, etc. etc. etc.
The point is that there are probably over 200 word processors out there. Some of them are proprietary format too. Oh, and they can all change their save format from version to version of the software.
And that's just word processors. Now, think about spreadsheet software, presentation software, etc. etc. etc.
It really is a lot to ask of the version management software.
It's not impossible. I'll never say that. But is it really reasonable?
Ok, I dutifully followed the link. Here's the list of news stories on the page. Someone tell me which one is the stinker.
News Stories
- Santomero Sees Room for More Rate Cuts - Reuters (Jan 10, 2002)
- Recession wiped out '02 surplus, report says - USA Today (Jan 10, 2002)
- Last-Minute Shoppers Save Retailers - AP (Jan 10, 2002)
- Recession top cause of deficit - USA Today (Jan 10, 2002)
- Debts, recession make bankruptcies surge - Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Jan 10, 2002)
- Rates Remain High. Blame Bush Budget or Big Expectations? - NY Times (registration req'd) (Jan 9, 2002)
- New debt may stall recovery - Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Jan 9, 2002)
- President keeps hammering on his tax-cut proposal - San Francisco Chronicle (Jan 8, 2002)
- Fed Officials Differ on Rebound Timing - Reuters (Jan 8, 2002)
- Recession's grip begins to loosen - Chicago Tribune (Jan 8, 2002)
- Santomero: Data Provide Hope for Recovery - Reuters (Jan 8, 2002)
- Factory Orders Down in November - Reuters (Jan 8, 2002)
- Chain Store Sales Dip in Jan 5 Week - Reuters (Jan 8, 2002)
- Factory Orders Drop 3.3 Percent - AP (Jan 8, 2002)
- Bush Says He May Not Seek Balanced Budget This Year - NY Times (registration req'd) (Jan 8, 2002)
Heck, you can use 'aft' mentioned above, and get that much, and much more.
You could just as well recommend he use HTML itself; it would save a bunch of time.
However, neither of those solutions meets the stated quality requirements.
And, so how are you able to run a diff of some sort against your document? Unless your tools supports this (MS Word does BTW), then you are SOL. I think it's too much to ask the version management software to do that.
Now, if you're using pure ASCII files to do your document, you can easily diff the file and inspect it using many other common stream tools (e.g. grep, perl, wc, uniq, etc.) for many purposes.
So, who gets to keep track of that data? In the BBS days, you had a centralized system in place to do that. Who securely fulfills this function in the P2P world?
Yeah, it does suck.
..I think enough /.'ers are sufficiently interested in the idea of "turn key" open source security solutions to warrant discussion of the product.
Isn't that enough?
You said it first, so you buy the first round.
/.?
;+)
Now, how many folks read
Rough luck being you.
So, I'm off-topic. So then, where does one make suggestions about the system itself without getting karma punched by 'Offtopic' happy moderators?
Geez...
This certainly isn't the worst story that has been posted by Taco et al, but it's still bad. The fact that it can stimulate a lot of discussion doesn't make it any more intelligent.
So, I think top level stories should be subject to moderation. Then, everyone would have an (approximate) idea of which stories really are the best.
Hey, it works for posts! (at least IMHO)
I am humbled by the mastery demonstrated here. ;+)
And I quote:
YEAH, BUT HOW DO YOU REALLY FEEL?
Matt from The Culprits' Open Letter to Spammers
From: "Matt Hiltner"
To: "'Neil Schwartzman'"
Subject: Open letter to spammers
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:57:00 -0600
Mr. Spammer, you swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As they say in Texas. I'll bet you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.
You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.
You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done.
I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?
Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.
You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.
You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.
And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake? You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.
On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.
You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.
You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away. I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you my not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.
The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.
P.S.
You are hypocritical, greedy, violent, malevolent, vengeful, cowardly, deadly, mendacious, meretricious, loathsome, despicable, belligerent, opportunistic, barratrous, contemptible, criminal, fascistic, bigoted, racist, sexist, avaricious, tasteless, idiotic, brain-damaged, imbecilic, insane, arrogant, deceitful, demented, lame, self-righteous, byzantine,conspiratorial, satanic, fraudulent, libelous, bilious, splenetic, spastic, ignorant, clueless, illegitimate, harmful, destructive, dumb, evasive, double-talking, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative, paternalistic, fundamentalist, dogmatic, idolatrous, unethical, cultic, diseased, suppressive, controlling, restrictive, malignant, deceptive, dim, crazy, weird, dystopic, stifling, uncaring, plantigrade, grim, unsympathetic, jargon-spouting, censorious, secretive, aggressive, mind-numbing, arassive, poisonous, flagrant, self-destructive, abusive, socially-retarded, puerile, clueless, and generally Not Good.
In other words, go away.
...and we'll see how you feel when you get to that point. You gonna give up the profession you love just so your company can get off cheap?
:)
Why *shouldn't* a company spend money to make machines work in a way that does not hurt? Why *should* it be painful? I agree that there is a limit, but companies can spend very reasonable amounts of money to help people out. Sound like she got grabby, but it isn't reasonable IMHO to think that companies shouldn't try to help out all the same.
What's pathetic is not thinking about your answer before hitting submit.
And BTW - Metallica's Black Album rocks.. so there!
I can only guess what your message means, but it looks to me like the whole thing pisses you off so bad that you actually stuttered while typing.
;+)
Because many, many people who use AOL also have a second phone line to support their AOL connection so the phone doesn't get tied up. At something like $15/month (YMMV) for the phone line too, you're actually talking about $23/month for AOL (correct?) + $15/month for the phone line = $38/month for just AOL. If broadband is $46 month for them, like it is for me, then that's just another $8/month.
Hell, that $8 will be more than made up for in the sheer number of other things I *don't* spend money on because I'm too busy online.
Actually, I've done this. Back on my Amiga 500, I had no way to back up my *massive* (chuckle) 120 MB hard drive, so I used a VCR backup kit. It was a bugger to use, but it was the poor man's ass saver for sure!
Ah the memories today...
Heh... I'll second that. I'm not ashamed at anything I said, just amused. And I had no idea how many posts I put out there. :)
The DC memory cartridges that you can stick in the controller to hold save games can also hold mini-games downloaded from the DC console (which some DC games had right on the disc). Then you can play these little games on a little monochrome screen with a Gameboy like unit (direction + button A + button B). Really, it was kind of pathetic, but cool in a weird way.
;)
I hope this isn't what they have in mind.
Dude, I hope you know that you're not funny. I mean, I'm not even offended by the obvious religious trash-talk, and I still find your comment pretty stupid.
Grow up.
Well, I took your advice and tried it. And I can't tell you how it is. After about 20 minutes of fiddling (why don't they have an installer?) I came up with the following:
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sun/jdi/connect/Connector
at com.intellij.debugger.a.t.a(t.java:1)
at com.intellij.project.a.b.a(b.java:14)
at com.intellij.project.a.e.d(e.java:4)
at com.intellij.project.a.e.c(e.java:15)
at com.intellij.project.a.e.a(e.java:14)
at com.intellij.idea.a.a(a.java:125)
at com.intellij.idea.Main.a(Main.java:17)
at com.intellij.idea.Main.main(Main.java:19)
Their site doesn't seem to have a knowledge base or anything either.
*shrug*
Well, I do hope they change the name. 'Mono' just resonates too well with Microsoft's "Linux is a disease" FUD.
If they like primates so much, then they should just stop monkeying around and call it 'rhesus' or something.
Actually, I agree. I've really come to appreciate what the Java inertia contributed to the market; C# and .NET would probably not have been needed if Java hadn't done as well as it has.
You know, there are those of us who actually love having the choices. I hope the Java market stays strong and keeps Microsoft on their toes. Likewise, I hope Microsoft stays strong and keeps everyone else on their toes.
And as far as the rest of us are concerned, we can only benefit from this.
If it were I might agree with you for the reasons you state. But, in fact, the "still-haven't-seen-it" C# compiler from Microsoft can be obtained in a SDK from Microsoft at here.
.NET (and therefore Windows) in the future. What they'll do instead is make platform dependent improvements that either can't be ported, or will be difficult to port. Actually, now that I think about it, they're already doing that. It's called the .NET Enterprise servers. If you're using .NET, it will make a lot of sense to use those products that will require Windows on the server.
.NET is fundamentally a strike against all other platforms. It will be a small consolation to have all your C# code running on your Linux server, only to have it surrounded by .NET Enterprise servers.
.NET capability: Python and PERL. Check out ActiveState.com.
It's not free "as in speech", but it is free "as in beer".
Also, I think that, in the end that you're right about "Bill & Co. will definately come out with a way to extend it either by libraries or functionality that will leave Miguel in a constant state of catch-up". Only Microsoft will be smart enough not to touch core functionality, it will be just enough to provide the veneer of portability, which will become a selling point of
So, yes,
I feel obligated to point out that, while all of this sounds very onerous and hateful, Microsoft isn't doing anything wrong in this area at all. They're simply providing more value on top of their platform than the competition can provide.
Finally, I think anyone will admit it's nice to have the option to use C# on Linux. C# is turning out to be pretty sweet and I for one would like to have it as a portable language skill.
*ironic mode on*
Gee, maybe everyone would prefer that C# would just die and go away? That way, the other leading language contender in the market, Java, could just take the market. After all, it's not under the influence of the "evil corporations", like C# is.
*ironic mode off*
At least this is still a fair fight between MS and the rest of the world and at least we'll have a choice.
BTW - The open source world already has at least two languages that are achieving
OK... not having a Spanish dictionary on hand, I'll bite. What does it mean?