Actually, I just don't want this to be a "Microsoft is doing something Evil" thing. That qualifies as FUD.
I'm trying to dispell some FUD by, at very least, putting in verifiable information.
See my introductory Journal Entry for who I'm not. I am only willing to tell you that I work in IT Management for a company that is too small to have ever been covered by Slashdot.
They mention stealth while "not in use", yet, while in use... Plasma sources can be, XENON, ARGON, NEON... All of which are REALLY BRIGHT. For "stealth" that would be useless.
Holy shit, sir. Did you see that bright bluish light over there, it lasted for 5 seconds then blinked out. I must have been seeing things.
It's all of the same versions of the same packages of all of the RedHat ES version 3 packages without the copyright RedHat name, logo or "ShadowMan" insignia (RedHat's protected trademarks).
Also, if you go to RedHat's FTP servers, all of the SRPMs for ES3 are available, you just can't get the compiled versions without a subscription to Enterprise Linux support services.
Yes, that is exactly what I meant. SourceForge is definately a bulk Emailer. All of it is legitimate. I think it would be useful if SourceForge and places like it (?anybody else have SlashDot email them replies to posts?) could be whitelisted prior to spam-filtering.
For myself, the other biggie is umich.edu (the Ldap mailing list).
Congratulations, you've just blocked a whole slew of reputable businesses, including Microsoft, Harvard University and ZD Net. Nobody in your office was expecting an online version of PC Magazine, right?
Only because you asked, Mozilla. It's not retarded, in fact it's quite quick about it. It's just not always entirely smart about sorting these things, the longer I use it, the better it gets though.
Problem is - logically - once you buy something from a company, you have a relationship with that company. You can certainly block them yourself, using your own methods, however, they are not doing anything wrong, technically.
Microsoft (unless you are using a paid-for-through-ads-service-like-hotmail), HP, 3Com, IBM are all really good about allowing me to set what announcements and types of Emails that I want or don't want. From my own experience, these are responsible Email marketers - thus I used those as examples.
If I get an Email from MoreSexForYou.com there are only two possible explanations. One of my co-workers is signing me up without my knowledge, or they culled my Email address from one of several news-group archives that contain my Email address. Either way, this is not responsible Email marketing.... Funny the opt-out link goes to the same page-with-20-popups as the sign-me-up link. Not responsible marketing.
Because this is a heated subject, I have little doubt that how they treat this will make-or-break the company. They bought SpamCop because of the good-will the SpamCop name has. That purchase also puts them in a rare position to do this the right way. Only time will tell.
The main thing is that the BOND and Infraction costs go to IronPort (owner of bondedsenders.com, bondedsenders.org and spamcop). IronPort is not Microsoft. Microsoft is simply using IronPort's service. The article isn't perfectly clear unless you already know who IronPort is and what they do.
Not really, a judgement against the bonded sender (they failed to follow the guidelines) results in a small fine being removed from their bond.
IronPort's bonded-sender service investigations are based on SpamCop. (There are a large number of SpamCop auto-SPAM-reporting products and servers). Basically, if you SPAM chances are you'll be reported to SpamCOP at a higher hit rate than your 'victims' are likely to respond to your "campaign".
For short-term financial gain (taking the bonds) they could certainly adjucate in their own favor (levy fines) - however, if the bond is saturated, then the sender no longer qualifies either.
The point of this is so that companies like 3Com, HP, Microsoft and similar have a better chance of reaching their customers. (Yes, if you bought ANYTHING from ANY company, they legitimately have reason to E-mail you).
It is in IronPort's best interest to keep up the white-list for legitimate senders only. MoreSexForYou.com need not apply.
As with any service, only time will tell. I'm watching SpamAssassin's use of IronPort's service. They will probably be the first to react to any abuses.
No, it doesn't... IronPort's primary business is network security and SPAM prevention. IronPort bought SpamCop because of the good-will and name recognition that SpamCop would provide them.
IronPort also owns BondedSender (.com and.org).
IronPort is hoping to corner the 'WhiteList' market by getting legitimate organizations to bond for this service. This is not immediate money for IronPort (but could be a revenue stream if the lax up a bit on who they allow to bond). Bottom line - it's in their interest to take the bond. So, it's also in their interest to watch carefully for violations.
No - it is configured at the recieving server and uses the connecting IP address - DNS lookup to IronPort's servers. Spoofed Emails are meaningless.
However, this is similar to the "Trusted Sender" initiatives. If I'm sending out Email for work from my home, I may be legitimately setting (spoofing) my Email address so that customers don't bother me at home. Replies will still come to me, just to my work account. I guess I can't do that anymore.
Except that IronPort, not Microsoft, is running this list. IronPort are the same people who purchased SpamCop. IronPort's business is SPAM prevention.
There are plenty of legitimate companies that don't SPAM that have IronPort bonds. Especially where these companies are sending out 'Technical Errata' or trying to run product support over E-mail.
Now you can argue that 'Technical Errata' sometimes has embedded ads (usually not), and sometimes is unsolicited (usually not) - but most people who ask for it think it's useful. If I send a company an Email asking them about how to fix thier broken product, I surely wouldn't want the reply to be stuck in a SPAM filter (this happens to me once or twice a month).
If you want to use IronPort's whitelist service, inquire at thier web site.
The bond is to IronPort and is relinquished to IronPort.
IronPort is NOT Microsoft! IronPort is selling a service which Microsoft has purchased for the purpose of using on Microsoft's Hotmail (and MSN) mail service.
O.K. - I'm not an MS zealot (quite the opposite), however - IronPort is not a Microsoft company. So, actually, Microsoft is paying for something that they feel has value.
Since a vast majority of SPAM that I get are from throw-away domains, I see some value in this as well. It would, for instance, be nice if I didn't have to comb through my JUNK box looking for missing Emails from one of the many product specific Mail lists that I'm a member of.
However, Mail lists are usually on independant and under-funded sites, so it's unlikely that they'd be able to afford to become IronPort certified anyway.
I started this, so I may as well continue it. I did quite a bit of pretty deep searching and found a whole boatload of product that say 10.3 is required, but what they really need is 10.2.7 or better (a fully updated 10.2).
I had to search for this though. Seems odd - the BIG sticker on the front of the packages in the store say, Required 10.3.
To continue a post above... That's what I should expect from marketing.
From the site: "The downloads provided here should be considered "nightly snapshots". Once we have a snapshot that is showing stability, we will affix 'stable' to the name."
Thank you much for the info. My problem remains though. It's not stable yet. This is useless to me until stable. I wouldn't buy a Windows product without stable Windows drivers, I don't think Linux should have to be different.
From the Article: "... some have argued that Intel is currently experiencing a lull in product demand as customers wait for the juice to be let loose in the form of PCI-Express, DDR2, and improved wireless support."
I am putting off purchasing Intel because of this very thing. Intel has been promising more features - and Linux support for Centrino - I'm not buying until I see it. Further, being a Dell shop, here, a little change-up to AMD would certainly be welcome.
Accurate is not what I expect. I expect quite the opposite. It seems that the marketing aspect of Apple is "use this, it's cool". However, looking at their 'New Features' page (which I would imagine should be a bit more usefull), the message still seems to be "use this, it's cool". I would have expected better.
Part of this is... I asked a question, got some answers, two or three of them were actually informative, and I modified my questions. I am actually trying to make thoughtful replies to those that helped me better understand.
The other part of this is just un-ashamed pride... So, my assumption was wrong (I wouldn't have asked a question if I weren't prepared for a contradictory answer). Fine, rub my nose in it, but I thought it may be useful insight as to how I came to those assumptions. I know that I'm not the only one whom viewed the same data with the same conclusions.
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I'm trying to dispell some FUD by, at very least, putting in verifiable information.
See my introductory Journal Entry for who I'm not. I am only willing to tell you that I work in IT Management for a company that is too small to have ever been covered by Slashdot.
Holy shit, sir. Did you see that bright bluish light over there, it lasted for 5 seconds then blinked out. I must have been seeing things.
It's all of the same versions of the same packages of all of the RedHat ES version 3 packages without the copyright RedHat name, logo or "ShadowMan" insignia (RedHat's protected trademarks).
Also, if you go to RedHat's FTP servers, all of the SRPMs for ES3 are available, you just can't get the compiled versions without a subscription to Enterprise Linux support services.
Yes, that is exactly what I meant. SourceForge is definately a bulk Emailer. All of it is legitimate. I think it would be useful if SourceForge and places like it (?anybody else have SlashDot email them replies to posts?) could be whitelisted prior to spam-filtering.
For myself, the other biggie is umich.edu (the Ldap mailing list).
I hope that's really what you wanted.
Only because you asked, Mozilla. It's not retarded, in fact it's quite quick about it. It's just not always entirely smart about sorting these things, the longer I use it, the better it gets though.
Microsoft (unless you are using a paid-for-through-ads-service-like-hotmail), HP, 3Com, IBM are all really good about allowing me to set what announcements and types of Emails that I want or don't want. From my own experience, these are responsible Email marketers - thus I used those as examples.
If I get an Email from MoreSexForYou.com there are only two possible explanations. One of my co-workers is signing me up without my knowledge, or they culled my Email address from one of several news-group archives that contain my Email address. Either way, this is not responsible Email marketing. ... Funny the opt-out link goes to the same page-with-20-popups as the sign-me-up link. Not responsible marketing.
Because this is a heated subject, I have little doubt that how they treat this will make-or-break the company. They bought SpamCop because of the good-will the SpamCop name has. That purchase also puts them in a rare position to do this the right way. Only time will tell.
The main thing is that the BOND and Infraction costs go to IronPort (owner of bondedsenders.com, bondedsenders.org and spamcop). IronPort is not Microsoft. Microsoft is simply using IronPort's service. The article isn't perfectly clear unless you already know who IronPort is and what they do.
IronPort's bonded-sender service investigations are based on SpamCop. (There are a large number of SpamCop auto-SPAM-reporting products and servers). Basically, if you SPAM chances are you'll be reported to SpamCOP at a higher hit rate than your 'victims' are likely to respond to your "campaign".
For short-term financial gain (taking the bonds) they could certainly adjucate in their own favor (levy fines) - however, if the bond is saturated, then the sender no longer qualifies either.
The point of this is so that companies like 3Com, HP, Microsoft and similar have a better chance of reaching their customers. (Yes, if you bought ANYTHING from ANY company, they legitimately have reason to E-mail you).
It is in IronPort's best interest to keep up the white-list for legitimate senders only. MoreSexForYou.com need not apply.
As with any service, only time will tell. I'm watching SpamAssassin's use of IronPort's service. They will probably be the first to react to any abuses.
IronPort also owns BondedSender (.com and .org).
IronPort is hoping to corner the 'WhiteList' market by getting legitimate organizations to bond for this service. This is not immediate money for IronPort (but could be a revenue stream if the lax up a bit on who they allow to bond). Bottom line - it's in their interest to take the bond. So, it's also in their interest to watch carefully for violations.
My bet... there will be very few of them.
IronPort
However, this is similar to the "Trusted Sender" initiatives. If I'm sending out Email for work from my home, I may be legitimately setting (spoofing) my Email address so that customers don't bother me at home. Replies will still come to me, just to my work account. I guess I can't do that anymore.
IronPort's receiver service page.
If you are interested in the rules that bonded senders have to ablige to:
IronPort's sender standards page.
So, that's how it started...
I've never seen the Business Software Alliance charter before.
Ironport's "sender" site.
IronPort's "receiver" site.
IronPort's Whitelist access is available, here.
Except that IronPort, not Microsoft, is running this list. IronPort are the same people who purchased SpamCop. IronPort's business is SPAM prevention.
There are plenty of legitimate companies that don't SPAM that have IronPort bonds. Especially where these companies are sending out 'Technical Errata' or trying to run product support over E-mail.
Now you can argue that 'Technical Errata' sometimes has embedded ads (usually not), and sometimes is unsolicited (usually not) - but most people who ask for it think it's useful. If I send a company an Email asking them about how to fix thier broken product, I surely wouldn't want the reply to be stuck in a SPAM filter (this happens to me once or twice a month).
If you want to use IronPort's whitelist service, inquire at thier web site.
IronPort is NOT Microsoft! IronPort is selling a service which Microsoft has purchased for the purpose of using on Microsoft's Hotmail (and MSN) mail service.
Since a vast majority of SPAM that I get are from throw-away domains, I see some value in this as well. It would, for instance, be nice if I didn't have to comb through my JUNK box looking for missing Emails from one of the many product specific Mail lists that I'm a member of.
However, Mail lists are usually on independant and under-funded sites, so it's unlikely that they'd be able to afford to become IronPort certified anyway.
SourceForge would be a good start though.
I had to search for this though. Seems odd - the BIG sticker on the front of the packages in the store say, Required 10.3.
To continue a post above... That's what I should expect from marketing.
Where can I get a Celestia add-on for this asteroid?
Thank you much for the info. My problem remains though. It's not stable yet. This is useless to me until stable. I wouldn't buy a Windows product without stable Windows drivers, I don't think Linux should have to be different.
From the Article:
"... some have argued that Intel is currently experiencing a lull in product demand as customers wait for the juice to be let loose in the form of PCI-Express, DDR2, and improved wireless support."
I am putting off purchasing Intel because of this very thing. Intel has been promising more features - and Linux support for Centrino - I'm not buying until I see it. Further, being a Dell shop, here, a little change-up to AMD would certainly be welcome.
Part of this is... I asked a question, got some answers, two or three of them were actually informative, and I modified my questions. I am actually trying to make thoughtful replies to those that helped me better understand.
The other part of this is just un-ashamed pride... So, my assumption was wrong (I wouldn't have asked a question if I weren't prepared for a contradictory answer). Fine, rub my nose in it, but I thought it may be useful insight as to how I came to those assumptions. I know that I'm not the only one whom viewed the same data with the same conclusions.