When a regime begins using such methods as these in order to keep sitting in the saddle, its days are counted. After the demise of Saudi Arabia's current regime, within a foreseeable time now, the ensuing chaos will be unimaginable.
I take for granted that, to the historically and politically informed readers of this page, it is clear and obvious that no state lying and double-speaking to its citizens has lived for a very long time. If nothing happens, if this is the way the US government esteems that relations with its citizens are best handled, then the US as a state in its current form are doomed. Breakdown, like the communist states in 1989, or revolution, like in France, 1789/1792, are ahead.
Yes. Norway, for example, an example of an "incorporative" state, which is a state that delegates activities typically monopolized by states ( in other countries ) to citizens' groups and initiatives.
Yes, there is a "we", for Americans. All citizens are engaged in a vast collective effort called the State. The NSA is an offspring of that state. Hence and therefore, yes there is a "we".
Well, you are American. And you write "We spy on our own people indiscriminately". Which is, of course, a major problem, but still internal to the USA. The USA, however, also spied on other people, many of whom live in allied states, indiscriminately. This undermines the allies' trust. History may deal with the USA as it has dealt with Athens: one more major blunder ( in the case of Athens, the expedition against Sicily ) involving more and more unwilling allies, and the great power sinks. For ever.
The very earliest beginnings of what is now ( still ) known as "universities" lay in Athens, in the Stoa where Aristotle taught. I can not remember having heard or read any of the "teachers" emitting whatsoever claim to the "rights" or "ownership" of the materials they taught. Another forefather of the universities is the model that Greek physicians had for teaching: the student would pay for the education, and be able to earn a living from his trade by letting those patients pay who could afford it. His craft, however, was to be put without discussion, without payment, to the disposal of the poor. Moreover, the future doctor would oblige himself, under oath, to accept any pupil wishing to learn the same trade, as long as the pupil was apt.
The first time we had, within universities, claims to truth and property was in the first "real" universities - "real" because they were the first ones to sport the name "Universitas" - of the high Middle Ages, in Europe. These claims came not from the educating personnel, they originated within the then and there omnipotent Roman Catholic church. It took us 600 years to get rid of that domination. Do we want to go back to the dark dungeons we came from ? I suppose not. Therefore, the AAUP's stance is not only ridiculous. It is condemned to die where it belongs: forgotten by all, in the last ditch.
No, this is not a troll. And no, I am not. I am just crying out loud what I and many, many colleagues do on a regular basis. Let us look at this coolly. You browse some source on, say, github. By and by, you find a cool way to compute, say, Fibonacci( 1000000000 ), in Takahashi's paper. So you duly quote the paper in your source code, right ? You maybe even name your class TakahashiFibo, or something like that. But now, in order to make it work, you need a fast implementation of ( java ) BigInteger, especially for the "#.add( int )" and "#.multiply( BigInteger )" routines. You find these, somewhere. Dude, who is going to copy the license file for these two subroutines into his project files ? C'mon. You have done it, too. Copy, paste, compile, test, deliver, done. See the WTFPL license if you don't get what I mean.
First, I am a professional programmer with 19 years of experience, most of it in "respectable" companies.
Second, I just got hired by another respectable applied-research institute, who have full knowledge of this kind of practice.
Third, you reason along ( US-) American lines, with your "lawsuits" and "bankrupt". Who told you that this, mostly cultural, background applies outside of the US ?
Fourth, "hackers" and "tinkerers" are, by many, viewed upon as the real programmers. Being called a "hacker" would be quite the crown, for me and many of my peers.
Sorry, Mr. Schultz. Although you usually get it right, this time you are way off the mark. For what do I do, like millions of other developers, once I find a piece of software, be it an API or a framework or single class or even a single cleverly written subroutine, somewhere on the internet ? License or not, I don't give a damn about what I am allowed or even ( smirk) intended to do with it. I carry on, change it, redistribute it without the license, incorporate it into whatever product or API or framework or class I want to incorporate it into. Yes, I will include a comment in the source code, stating where the stuff came from. And that's it. And we all do this. License as interface ? Bullshit. Period.
Proud to be a European. Proud to live in a German(-speaking) country. Proud to live in what is an economic province of Germany. Just fucking proud, as the engineer loving his trade that I, ultimately, am.
No. One of the basic tenets of man-machine-coupling, in AI, is that the coupling should and must be one-way: from the man to the machine. Human synapses should not serve as input interfaces to whatever machine-generated signals. You will find special circuits, e.g.in the labs where experimental thought-control of computer UIs is worked out, preventing just that.
Holy shit man, stop bringing religion into the public space. Americans since Bush I have been doing this, and the western world is sick and tired of it. Scurry back into the backwater hillbilly-hole where you came from, in order to celebrate your judeo-christian monster god every Sunday, but leave us engineers, technicians,scientists and general atheist or near-atheist public unmolested by the intellectual stench of your monotheistic belchings.
You slightly missed my point, or I formulated it badly. I wanted to make the point that government spying also, and systematically so, sought out individual, non-Jew German citizens who opposed the NSDAP ( Nazi ) party and Nazi politics. A priest could be thrown into jail without a warrant, and be tortured there, for something as simple as preaching against the Nazi party. I want to make the point that the setting is, now and here in Europe and the US, somewhat similar.
before mass prosecution of certain ( ethnic ) groups broke out, the government also told its citizens: "Ordinary German citizens in good standing have nothing to fear from GeStaPo or SD, which services are there to protect them".
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When a regime begins using such methods as these in order to keep sitting in the saddle, its days are counted. After the demise of Saudi Arabia's current regime, within a foreseeable time now, the ensuing chaos will be unimaginable.
It seems to me that on this kind of topic, since the NSA scandal, the percentage of anonymous posters has seen a sudden and major increase.
I take for granted that, to the historically and politically informed readers of this page, it is clear and obvious that no state lying and double-speaking to its citizens has lived for a very long time. If nothing happens, if this is the way the US government esteems that relations with its citizens are best handled, then the US as a state in its current form are doomed. Breakdown, like the communist states in 1989, or revolution, like in France, 1789/1792, are ahead.
Yes. Norway, for example, an example of an "incorporative" state, which is a state that delegates activities typically monopolized by states ( in other countries ) to citizens' groups and initiatives.
In other words, we're pretty much fucked.
Amen. You are. We are. In worse and more somber way than you and I may even be willing to envisage, according to this Gallup poll
. Obviously, the institution that Americans trust the most, and by far, is the military. How many years are the USA away from a military coup ?
Yes, there is a "we", for Americans. All citizens are engaged in a vast collective effort called the State. The NSA is an offspring of that state. Hence and therefore, yes there is a "we".
Well, you are American. And you write "We spy on our own people indiscriminately". Which is, of course, a major problem, but still internal to the USA. The USA, however, also spied on other people, many of whom live in allied states, indiscriminately. This undermines the allies' trust. History may deal with the USA as it has dealt with Athens: one more major blunder ( in the case of Athens, the expedition against Sicily ) involving more and more unwilling allies, and the great power sinks. For ever.
A South-African singer sang, already some years ago : "The sun is going down over America". How true.
The US government IS an authoritarian government. Period.
The very earliest beginnings of what is now ( still ) known as "universities" lay in Athens, in the Stoa where Aristotle taught. I can not remember having heard or read any of the "teachers" emitting whatsoever claim to the "rights" or "ownership" of the materials they taught. Another forefather of the universities is the model that Greek physicians had for teaching: the student would pay for the education, and be able to earn a living from his trade by letting those patients pay who could afford it. His craft, however, was to be put without discussion, without payment, to the disposal of the poor. Moreover, the future doctor would oblige himself, under oath, to accept any pupil wishing to learn the same trade, as long as the pupil was apt.
The first time we had, within universities, claims to truth and property was in the first "real" universities - "real" because they were the first ones to sport the name "Universitas" - of the high Middle Ages, in Europe. These claims came not from the educating personnel, they originated within the then and there omnipotent Roman Catholic church. It took us 600 years to get rid of that domination. Do we want to go back to the dark dungeons we came from ? I suppose not. Therefore, the AAUP's stance is not only ridiculous. It is condemned to die where it belongs: forgotten by all, in the last ditch.
It would have been most becoming, to you, to have posted this under any other name than "Coward" and "anonymous", sir.
No, this is not a troll. And no, I am not. I am just crying out loud what I and many, many colleagues do on a regular basis. Let us look at this coolly. You browse some source on, say, github. By and by, you find a cool way to compute, say, Fibonacci( 1000000000 ), in Takahashi's paper. So you duly quote the paper in your source code, right ? You maybe even name your class TakahashiFibo, or something like that. But now, in order to make it work, you need a fast implementation of ( java ) BigInteger, especially for the "#.add( int )" and "#.multiply( BigInteger )" routines. You find these, somewhere. Dude, who is going to copy the license file for these two subroutines into his project files ? C'mon. You have done it, too. Copy, paste, compile, test, deliver, done. See the WTFPL license if you don't get what I mean.
See reply to the other anonymous coward above for a reply.
You are wrong in more than one sense.
First, I am a professional programmer with 19 years of experience, most of it in "respectable" companies.
Second, I just got hired by another respectable applied-research institute, who have full knowledge of this kind of practice.
Third, you reason along ( US-) American lines, with your "lawsuits" and "bankrupt". Who told you that this, mostly cultural, background applies outside of the US ?
Fourth, "hackers" and "tinkerers" are, by many, viewed upon as the real programmers. Being called a "hacker" would be quite the crown, for me and many of my peers.
Amen, brother !
Sorry, Mr. Schultz. Although you usually get it right, this time you are way off the mark. For what do I do, like millions of other developers, once I find a piece of software, be it an API or a framework or single class or even a single cleverly written subroutine, somewhere on the internet ? License or not, I don't give a damn about what I am allowed or even ( smirk) intended to do with it. I carry on, change it, redistribute it without the license, incorporate it into whatever product or API or framework or class I want to incorporate it into. Yes, I will include a comment in the source code, stating where the stuff came from. And that's it. And we all do this. License as interface ? Bullshit. Period.
Proud to be a European. Proud to live in a German(-speaking) country. Proud to live in what is an economic province of Germany. Just fucking proud, as the engineer loving his trade that I, ultimately, am.
Certainly not. This is work ( see the "Author affiliations" part in the abstract ) by respectable scientists from a respectable US State university.
No. One of the basic tenets of man-machine-coupling, in AI, is that the coupling should and must be one-way: from the man to the machine. Human synapses should not serve as input interfaces to whatever machine-generated signals. You will find special circuits, e.g .in the labs where experimental thought-control of computer UIs is worked out, preventing just that.
Holy shit man, stop bringing religion into the public space. Americans since Bush I have been doing this, and the western world is sick and tired of it. Scurry back into the backwater hillbilly-hole where you came from, in order to celebrate your judeo-christian monster god every Sunday, but leave us engineers, technicians,scientists and general atheist or near-atheist public unmolested by the intellectual stench of your monotheistic belchings.
Well dude, there you have your idea for a start-up. Get yourself some venture capital, and off you go !
for the first anti-Java rant. Just waitin'....
You slightly missed my point, or I formulated it badly. I wanted to make the point that government spying also, and systematically so, sought out individual, non-Jew German citizens who opposed the NSDAP ( Nazi ) party and Nazi politics. A priest could be thrown into jail without a warrant, and be tortured there, for something as simple as preaching against the Nazi party. I want to make the point that the setting is, now and here in Europe and the US, somewhat similar.
before mass prosecution of certain ( ethnic ) groups broke out, the government also told its citizens: "Ordinary German citizens in good standing have nothing to fear from GeStaPo or SD, which services are there to protect them".
Yes, it's horrible and I hope we can reverse it.
But you should ask yourself the same question about your country.
I agree, and I do.