If you're going to ship them a printer in the box, make sure to helpfully include various other heavy items in the box as well. Pad the bottom of the box with a bag of play sand. It only cost a dollar or two. If you have leftover ice melt sand, that can go in the box too. Maybe not even in the bag, just mingled in with the printer parts and the bricks and whatnot.
The majority of people can and have figured out how to plug the various cords in and get an old system up and running. It isn't a 'rare priesthood' who would recycle these systems. It's regular folks who don't have a computer. It's kids who might have a family system available in the rec room but not one they control themselves that they can make their own mistakes and learn from using.
I see this sort of top-down recycling program as a tendency (won't go so far as to call it a conspiracy) to keep 'free' computers from being out there where idle hackers will put them to use. A big part of how Linux got it's start, (almost the contrary of the bloated big monster machines required to run the current linus desktops) is because there were lots of free systems out there to give Linux a trial platform. I and I'm sure many others, first learned networking stuff with an array of old castoff 386sx boxes.
Sadly, third world exploition usually amounts to forcing poor people to export their raw materials to industrial centers elsewhere in the world.
You're right that they should bring up a local industry and export fabric, yarn, or even completed items. It would employ the local people.
But they'd need capital to get something like that started up, and both the left ('we can't be exporting our skilled Union jobs!') and the right ('give money to those dirt people and they'll fritter it away on baubles') conspire on this one, to keep the third world poor.
I have so many Sparc boxes lying around these days that cripping one as a 'reserve' for a vintage OS isn't really a problem. I could easily dedicate a fully loaded IPX to such an endeavor.
Hell, I got a complete SparcStation 20 with memory and two CPUs, missing only the hard drive, for $10 at auction yesterday.
The 'marketing scum' you refer to always appear at the introduction of some new superior technology or product. Hell, those were the sorts of people who opened 'computer stores' in the mid 80's (not the 'hackers', I mean that fat ugly guy in the bad suit selling '486 boxes to your dad with a 70% markup).
Same as it ever was. It's wrong to indict the superior tech/product based on the kind of scum that gathers over it (not really 'around' it.)
Sounds to me like the Peruvians are trying to play the same game as companies that patent stuff. They're hoarding the superior genetic material, using government and laws to keep the rest of us from having it's benefits.
Don't be a putz. Back in the day, you coded in BASIC or you wrote in Assembler. Those were the choices. All C is, is a portable Assembler, with 'system' hooks where they are available. Equivalent in the early 'home computer' days was BIOS calls for various purposes.
The regular folks wrote in BASIC, the hackers, i.e. Peter Norton types, wrote in Assembler. That was virtually all there was.
Times have changed, obviously. Remember, we're talking about before the Borland Pascal and C era. Hell, we're talking about the cassette, paper tape, and Hex keypad era, when an advanced Interface was a teletype or dumb terminal. The period which bootstrapped everything later. C implementations for micros existed back then, i.e. Aztec, but were expensive and rare.
I'm the kind of person who has run Minix, ya know. Because it's there. I used to have an Altos box that ran Microsoft Xenix (the System III port, from before SCO) Ancient Unixes are cool. I have an AIX box with Power 1 processor (back when POWER was a bunch of chips.) I have old Sparc boxes. I don't have a PDP-11 yet, tho. I ordered the CSRG Archives CD set direct from Kirk McKusick, though, for if and when I do.
And yes, I use NetBSD on anything that has a public face on the Net.
Some arguement could be made, however, that Linux wouldn't have succeeded in the way that it has if it were a microkernel project. If it were more modular, there wouldn't be a big obese tarball (the linux kernel source) binding the community together. There could and would be significant code forking, and Linux wouldn't be the strong centralized project that GNU rides on to get prominence. (and, pointedly, vise-versa)
The people behind Groklaw are already doing a pretty good job of cashing in. Old whats-her-name has done a pretty good job of expanding and cashing in on her 15 minutes of fame. Not as good a job as Robert Malda has, of course.
It's been more than a decade since anybody had to buy AST's book just to get Minix. You can download Minux from several FTP sites for free these days. There's even a Usenet group for Minix and people who actually use it and discuss it's development.
It's pretty cool in some ways. Throw an old 386 box at it sometime.
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He takes every single aspect of FOSS and gives it a sinister anti-business anti-America anti-puppy connotation.
Sounds like the treatment in reverse that Microsoft gets in FOSS circles.
Yes, but we're all just 'handles' on the Slashdot website.
Some of us even 'high UID' handles because we use the handles like disposable shields to throw away when they get 'dirty' like soiled clothing.
Now, if I still had any of my low-UID accounts on Slashdot, it might be different (and I might be the kind of prat who keeps-at-it in a 'member of the community' kind of way)
But I'm not, and the new account is ready and waiting already.
Yes, but as a topic for discussion, having 'controversies' like this available for ready reference allows one to identify and filter out the idiot-fanboys who 'wave the banner of Linux' with ignorant gusto.
So you can't do simple arithmetic, and you can't spell worth a shit, either.
Why be so defensive about the matter? Is your 'honor' at stake or something? That's a high UID you're using. You can throw it away and get another if necessary.
But was Linus ever in his class? I thought it was more a hypothetical comment.
Tanenbaum was engaged in an intellectual arguement. That so many zealots interpret it as a political arguement reflects badly on the zealots, not on AST.
Lots of people consider monolithic kernels a poor design choice. In fact, plug-in modulular device drivers are a work-around for one of the real problems with them. IOW, even Linux kernel maintainers acknowledge the fact.
He's also had fifteen years to do other cool stuff that many people aren't aware of, but would be fascinated with if they were.
I keep wondering why nobody ever mentions Ameoba around Slashdot. It's a pretty neat piece of work.
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He was referring to his friend's and family. Don't be insensitive to the plight of and families like that.
His friend, for instance is quite insensitive and brutal to his family of ands. He inflicts dictonaries of dubious quality on them regularly, and with unkind, hurtful results.
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If you're going to ship them a printer in the box, make sure to helpfully include various other heavy items in the box as well. Pad the bottom of the box with a bag of play sand. It only cost a dollar or two. If you have leftover ice melt sand, that can go in the box too. Maybe not even in the bag, just mingled in with the printer parts and the bricks and whatnot.
The majority of people can and have figured out how to plug the various cords in and get an old system up and running. It isn't a 'rare priesthood' who would recycle these systems. It's regular folks who don't have a computer. It's kids who might have a family system available in the rec room but not one they control themselves that they can make their own mistakes and learn from using.
I see this sort of top-down recycling program as a tendency (won't go so far as to call it a conspiracy) to keep 'free' computers from being out there where idle hackers will put them to use. A big part of how Linux got it's start, (almost the contrary of the bloated big monster machines required to run the current linus desktops) is because there were lots of free systems out there to give Linux a trial platform. I and I'm sure many others, first learned networking stuff with an array of old castoff 386sx boxes.
Sadly, third world exploition usually amounts to forcing poor people to export their raw materials to industrial centers elsewhere in the world.
You're right that they should bring up a local industry and export fabric, yarn, or even completed items. It would employ the local people.
But they'd need capital to get something like that started up, and both the left ('we can't be exporting our skilled Union jobs!') and the right ('give money to those dirt people and they'll fritter it away on baubles') conspire on this one, to keep the third world poor.
I liked it, too. But step back and look at all the ways it could be interpreted. It's one of those messages that can be taken many ways.
I have so many Sparc boxes lying around these days that cripping one as a 'reserve' for a vintage OS isn't really a problem. I could easily dedicate a fully loaded IPX to such an endeavor.
Hell, I got a complete SparcStation 20 with memory and two CPUs, missing only the hard drive, for $10 at auction yesterday.
The 'marketing scum' you refer to always appear at the introduction of some new superior technology or product. Hell, those were the sorts of people who opened 'computer stores' in the mid 80's (not the 'hackers', I mean that fat ugly guy in the bad suit selling '486 boxes to your dad with a 70% markup).
Same as it ever was. It's wrong to indict the superior tech/product based on the kind of scum that gathers over it (not really 'around' it.)
Sounds to me like the Peruvians are trying to play the same game as companies that patent stuff. They're hoarding the superior genetic material, using government and laws to keep the rest of us from having it's benefits.
Now, what were you saying again??
Don't be a putz. Back in the day, you coded in BASIC or you wrote in Assembler. Those were the choices. All C is, is a portable Assembler, with 'system' hooks where they are available. Equivalent in the early 'home computer' days was BIOS calls for various purposes.
The regular folks wrote in BASIC, the hackers, i.e. Peter Norton types, wrote in Assembler. That was virtually all there was.
Times have changed, obviously. Remember, we're talking about before the Borland Pascal and C era. Hell, we're talking about the cassette, paper tape, and Hex keypad era, when an advanced Interface was a teletype or dumb terminal. The period which bootstrapped everything later. C implementations for micros existed back then, i.e. Aztec, but were expensive and rare.
They have even put out a TV commercial that conveys the message that Linux is a little blond haired savant who they can lecture at.
"One bullet in the dark of night, and the problem was solved. . ."
Umm...
who would run it on a public network?
I'm the kind of person who has run Minix, ya know. Because it's there. I used to have an Altos box that ran Microsoft Xenix (the System III port, from before SCO) Ancient Unixes are cool. I have an AIX box with Power 1 processor (back when POWER was a bunch of chips.) I have old Sparc boxes. I don't have a PDP-11 yet, tho. I ordered the CSRG Archives CD set direct from Kirk McKusick, though, for if and when I do.
And yes, I use NetBSD on anything that has a public face on the Net.
Some arguement could be made, however, that Linux wouldn't have succeeded in the way that it has if it were a microkernel project. If it were more modular, there wouldn't be a big obese tarball (the linux kernel source) binding the community together. There could and would be significant code forking, and Linux wouldn't be the strong centralized project that GNU rides on to get prominence. (and, pointedly, vise-versa)
The people behind Groklaw are already doing a pretty good job of cashing in. Old whats-her-name has done a pretty good job of expanding and cashing in on her 15 minutes of fame. Not as good a job as Robert Malda has, of course.
It's been more than a decade since anybody had to buy AST's book just to get Minix. You can download Minux from several FTP sites for free these days. There's even a Usenet group for Minix and people who actually use it and discuss it's development.
It's pretty cool in some ways. Throw an old 386 box at it sometime.
He takes every single aspect of FOSS and gives it a sinister anti-business anti-America anti-puppy connotation.
Sounds like the treatment in reverse that Microsoft gets in FOSS circles.
Yes, but we're all just 'handles' on the Slashdot website.
Some of us even 'high UID' handles because we use the handles like disposable shields to throw away when they get 'dirty' like soiled clothing.
Now, if I still had any of my low-UID accounts on Slashdot, it might be different (and I might be the kind of prat who keeps-at-it in a 'member of the community' kind of way)
But I'm not, and the new account is ready and waiting already.
Yes, but as a topic for discussion, having 'controversies' like this available for ready reference allows one to identify and filter out the idiot-fanboys who 'wave the banner of Linux' with ignorant gusto.
So you can't do simple arithmetic, and you can't spell worth a shit, either.
Why be so defensive about the matter? Is your 'honor' at stake or something? That's a high UID you're using. You can throw it away and get another if necessary.
So you're hurting that http://bandicot.morpehus.net doesn't get much traffic, huh?
But was Linus ever in his class? I thought it was more a hypothetical comment.
Tanenbaum was engaged in an intellectual arguement. That so many zealots interpret it as a political arguement reflects badly on the zealots, not on AST.
Afraid to ask for?
Naw. Unwilling to be vendor-locked into.
Lots of people consider monolithic kernels a poor design choice. In fact, plug-in modulular device drivers are a work-around for one of the real problems with them. IOW, even Linux kernel maintainers acknowledge the fact.
Where does one get a copy of pre-Solaris SunOS?
It's something I've never been able to play with. I have plenty of Sun hardware and would love to put SunOS on some of it.
He's also had fifteen years to do other cool stuff that many people aren't aware of, but would be fascinated with if they were.
I keep wondering why nobody ever mentions Ameoba around Slashdot. It's a pretty neat piece of work.
He was referring to his friend's and family. Don't be insensitive to the plight of and families like that.
His friend, for instance is quite insensitive and brutal to his family of ands. He inflicts dictonaries of dubious quality on them regularly, and with unkind, hurtful results.