oh yeah? Wait until the patriotic rationalists sniff out your statement and come hollering down with bright examples (none) of police state paradises (Singapore?) where the gross imbalance of state-power has led to concrete reduction of crime... and teRRism...
you've got to love them, hapless and desperate as they are clinging on any available shred of hope that their world hasn't really capsized...
amen to that brother! My most productive 2 years of research were in a miserable city of south california where the absence of anything remotely close to culture almost depressed me. My most enjoyable "cultural" experience was taking a good book and going to a locally owned coffee shop to read...
scientists are a very weird cast and most of them have been stuck to pre-adolescent personality development stages. So they identify their scientific persona with their own self and unable to distinguish between the two they strive for development and perfection of the former at the expense of the latter...
well, get on with times man, there is a huge market out there and it has to be utilized one way or another... blaming the people for going along is not realistic. These are the same people that go along with anything under the sun clandestinely "suggested" to them. Their fault? The system's internal workings? Time will judge...
Strangely enough though, you don't see "studies" about shopping-addictions, or drug over-consuming addictions (ha ha ha, who said the best way to discover propaganda is notice its internal contradictions?)
exactly the point, it took sometime for people to become skeptical about their governments, now we are crossing the other mark where people become skeptical about their "news outlets" and what overlords they serve. Before you know it people who admit their source of information comes from the traditional media, something that will immediately show up anyway in their regurgitation of the official propaganda line (eg. talk to an american about the israeli/palestinian issue and then talk to a european, notice the vast difference in reality perception), would be derided upon and ignored or marginalized.
This is a great thing but I'm expecting propaganda to fight back in the new medium of information dissemination, first by trying to control it, and then by trying to dominate on its indexing and resources...
what does this "study" prove? That if only cable networks included more "scientific" coverage in their content Jesus would be happy and the "dumbing down of america" averted for good? Give me a break! Scientists and scientific thinking (aka critical thinking) are not produced by watching a flashy tube like an idiot . It's a derivative of hard intellectual work.
Next study to follow: Save america from obesity, petition your cable provider for more health/workout related content you can watch while wolfing down your TV-dinner...
open the movie with firefox and the mplayer-plugin, let it run although you don't see anything after it buffers. Then locate the "Cache" directory of firefox in your local account and do:
that will pinpoint where the quicktime movies are, then just copy them somewhere more permanent and open them with your favorite movie player like mplayer for example...it worked for me and felt the genuine rush of beating all these stupid restrictions on right-click-download moronic sites try to impose...
Hmmmm, a clinic is a place where sick people go in order to get well. A "law clinic" is a place where sick lawyers go in order to get well... nah, it's the place where sick laws get in order to get well... nah, it's the place where new lawyers test their immunity system when exposed to sick lawyers... nah, it's the place where the new breeds of laws test their immunity system against the sick laws... nah, it's the place where sick law interbreeding happens... aghhh, I give up...
I misunderstood your statement and for that I would like to apologize!:-) I have just recently noticed that many posts criticizing US (and puncturing through the thick layer of propaganda) get automatically negatively moded. Some of them might survive some insightful points but overall the lynch mob gets on them fast...now the cynic that I am and with inveterate "conspiratorial tendencies" I believe PR companies' peons are hard at work... call me a cynic, or a conspiracy theorist, I've just read too much and know too much observing how the system works.
I don't believe there are two sides of the truth. That's a PR invention that has gotten US (and other western countries) into the intellectual vacuum mess they are at, a situation where illiteracy, idiocy and propaganda thrive and flourish into, so not at all an accidental choice, mind you...
right, "diversity of viewpoints" is to label somebody troll and flamebait when you don't agree with him... that's definitely not lockstep ideology, aha, sure, you must be from the department-of-truth busy redefining words for us... don't let some minor contradictions stop you comrade...
...don't you love it when any "unpleasant" truth about US is moded troll or flamebait nowdays on/.? Apparently the uber-patriots have discovered the internetS...
you've got to love it when americans refer to their fellow men (who were lied into giving their lives up for a shady but very lucrative cause) in derogatory terms like these... let me guess... nobody from your family entered this super-deal "bargain"? Talking about dehumanizing culture of cannibals...
It seems though the "liberty warriors" that actually make it out of that hell you're cheerleading about are having some...consciousness problems... committing suicide in the end...let me guess..."liberty is cheap but hard"... just give me a moment to throw up in disgust knowing that I belong to the same species as you... carry on, nothing to see here...
It used to be done in secret diplomatic meetings and under a cover of foreign relations when big corporate interests dictated their agenda through government mouthpieces, usually with the threat of military/economic pressure looming in the horizon. Their favorite government of choice to carry their agenda was of course US. Now either because governments are too inefficient to flex rapidly or because vote-counting hasn't been "modernized" yet (Diebold anyone?) and most of all because even the most successful PR campaigns always take a finite amount of time to sway public opinion in desirable directions (e.g. took years to convince americans that Iraq was behind 9/11) corporate interests have taken it upon themselves to apply their gunboat diplomacy.
Who needs official government representatives meeting each other anymore when articles written by a lobby team in the US can bring a foreign government down? What is outrageous to the average./er (not to the general public dare I say...) is that they can't believe anymore in the fairytale of corporate capitalism and what a wonderful world it builds for all of us. They see the signs of a vicious fascism creeping everywhere and how even justice and liberty have become commodities to be bought and sold to the highest bidder... well well well... bonne journée!
carry on citizen! Nothing to see here, the elections(R)[patent pending trademark of Diebold co.] are coming up so you can choose a candidate(TM)[owned by classified (for national security reasons) interests] by pressing an appropriate button at the Diebold Electronic Voting Machine(TM)and provided you've chosen wisely [Diebold co. safeguards your democracy and freedom(TM) for you] there will be the necessary voicing of your concerns about this issue. Once it gets properly acknowledged (>/dev/null) you will be notified. In the meanwhile, abstain from alcohol, pray to Jesus, don't touch children/gay/lesbian people, and don't be a teRRist hating america and our freedom and democracy(TM). We appreciate your business and looking forward to serving you again! Have a nice day!
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so my cellphone will have a direct line of contact with a... government agency that will... collect my information.. time of day... places I've been... all in the name of... *drums rolling, what could possibly go wrong, I've got nothing to hide*... seCuRitY...
yes, you see this will happen ONLY if the radiation detector fires up an event, NEVER EVER before... the government agency in charge will make sure of that...
what a jolly happy world we are living in, turn every single one of us into a government agent (stooge). Later on the grid will be expanded to keep track of criminals that might be passing us by (for example child molesters in case your morality standards haven't crumbled to the floor yet and are still putting up a fight, you surely wouldn't like little children getting hurt because of some ACLU ridiculous claims on privacy, would you?)... carry on citizens, carry on, nothing to see here...the future is going to be bright and spectacular...
excuse me but the point is a bit delicate here. In the absence of a copyright framework then GPL will be completely unnecessary because nobody will even bother taking the open source code, closing it, and then trying to sell the end product under a... copyright. The whole idea of GPL (and the rest of the variances) is to basically undermine the copyright framework, basically nullify it.
By taking that framework away linux will keep rising and shining while certain other OS will only shrink and die a miserable death. So let's not muddle the waters here. Yes it is a scary world out there without a copyright framework but it is a step forward for sure, so let's just make it.
It was a scary world out there as well when humanity realized the earth was not the center of the universe and all sorts of catastrophes were predicted if that was to be true, but we recuperated just fine out of it, and the whole world didn't collapse...
comrade, let's despair together! This world is indeed more and more depressing... It is amazing what people are made to believe nowdays and are made to accept. Just come up with an argument where "a child is in harms way if $INSERT_YOUR_HOLY_CRUSADE_DESIRE doesn't happen" and voila! Idiocy is unbeatable...
As propaganda-101 teaches us, the seed of propaganda is self-contradictory by itself, and that's the key to defend against it (provided the desire to do so exists in the first place). So let's rip the above argument apart, and expose its absurdity:
If "illegal images" are images that depict illegal acts, then 80% of the Library of Congress should be burned down and the corresponding writers arrested for depicting "illegal acts" in their books. That includes the fucking Bible (for all of you christian talibans out there) which has a murder or two every other page, sometimes without sparing the gory details. Let's arrest posthumously all the Bible writers and excommunicate them, fine the Church for promoting them, hell let's crucify them all just for fun because they promoted and keep promoting "illegal imagery".
This is just the start. I can easly continue to every area under the sun and generalize until nothing is left standing... but Idiocy is unbeatable so I will lose in the end anyway...
So yes, there are indeed illegal images. Some images are even illegal, even if the act they depict is not.
Yes, makes perfect sense! I see it now! You are in a theater, and the protagonist is getting murdered. The police busts the door open and arrests the whole cast for depicting "illegal images"! Conspiring to commit a murder...
extrapolate... extrapolate... extrapolate...
Shakespeare is put to prison for depicting all those "illegal images" in his plays with the intent to murder Kings, merchants etc, and all his works are sent to the fire...
extrapolate...extrapolate...extrapolate...
Yes, this planet is making more and more sense everyday. What's scaring me more is people like you that think all's well, nothing out of the "ordinary"...
WTF??? There is such a thing as an "illegal image"???? I must have missed the memo... next thing you know, there will be "illegal sounds" and "illegal ideas"! LOL! This planet is getting more and more fucked up by the day and nobody seems to notice...in fact watch the answers to this post, people will be quick to point out how this is perfectly normal...for example (drum rolling, music peaks) a child being molested is an "illegal image"!!! You see now, bozo?
Go ahead and explain now the difference between an "act" and the "image of an act"... oh dear time for a coffee break...
History has repeatedly proven that when a government asks its citizens to give up liberties it is working against making society safer but more absolute and submissive. Can you provide with any example where people who gave up their freedoms became safer? I can cite alot of counterexamples: nazi/fascist/communist governments that miserably failed in all fronts, including safety (the state safety-keeping apparatus turned against the citizens). Now neo-capitalism wants to join the club and they are going to be different exactly why?
Please don't use the words "democracy and freedom" in your answer, I've just eaten...
I wonder if they have a collection or recycling mechanism for the dead/mulfunctioning/washed-up ones, otherwise I can't help point out the irony that in the process of studying the environment (in order to be friendlier to it) you pollute the hell out of it. Are the gadgets biodegradable? Do they self-destruct into harmless, eco-friendly elements with a nice boom? (will make ordinary swimming experience fun beyond imagination...)... 800 Argo floats/year without collecting the old ones is at least irresponsible...
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...all this is for your own good...government by the people for the people type of thing...smile...
...one great step for Big Brother...
...the same as in our Universe:
Entropy!
oh yeah? Wait until the patriotic rationalists sniff out your statement and come hollering down with bright examples (none) of police state paradises (Singapore?) where the gross imbalance of state-power has led to concrete reduction of crime... and teRRism...
you've got to love them, hapless and desperate as they are clinging on any available shred of hope that their world hasn't really capsized...
amen to that brother! My most productive 2 years of research were in a miserable city of south california where the absence of anything remotely close to culture almost depressed me. My most enjoyable "cultural" experience was taking a good book and going to a locally owned coffee shop to read...
scientists are a very weird cast and most of them have been stuck to pre-adolescent personality development stages. So they identify their scientific persona with their own self and unable to distinguish between the two they strive for development and perfection of the former at the expense of the latter...
well, get on with times man, there is a huge market out there and it has to be utilized one way or another... blaming the people for going along is not realistic. These are the same people that go along with anything under the sun clandestinely "suggested" to them. Their fault? The system's internal workings? Time will judge...
Strangely enough though, you don't see "studies" about shopping-addictions, or drug over-consuming addictions (ha ha ha, who said the best way to discover propaganda is notice its internal contradictions?)
exactly the point, it took sometime for people to become skeptical about their governments, now we are crossing the other mark where people become skeptical about their "news outlets" and what overlords they serve. Before you know it people who admit their source of information comes from the traditional media, something that will immediately show up anyway in their regurgitation of the official propaganda line (eg. talk to an american about the israeli/palestinian issue and then talk to a european, notice the vast difference in reality perception), would be derided upon and ignored or marginalized.
This is a great thing but I'm expecting propaganda to fight back in the new medium of information dissemination, first by trying to control it, and then by trying to dominate on its indexing and resources...
what does this "study" prove? That if only cable networks included more "scientific" coverage in their content Jesus would be happy and the "dumbing down of america" averted for good? Give me a break! Scientists and scientific thinking (aka critical thinking) are not produced by watching a flashy tube like an idiot . It's a derivative of hard intellectual work.
Next study to follow: Save america from obesity, petition your cable provider for more health/workout related content you can watch while wolfing down your TV-dinner...
open the movie with firefox and the mplayer-plugin, let it run although you don't see anything after it buffers. Then locate the "Cache" directory of firefox in your local account and do:
find $HOME/.mozila/firefox/"your profile number here"/Cache -amin -2 -exec file {} \;
that will pinpoint where the quicktime movies are, then just copy them somewhere more permanent and open them with your favorite movie player like mplayer for example...it worked for me and felt the genuine rush of beating all these stupid restrictions on right-click-download moronic sites try to impose...
Hmmmm, a clinic is a place where sick people go in order to get well. A "law clinic" is a place where sick lawyers go in order to get well... nah, it's the place where sick laws get in order to get well... nah, it's the place where new lawyers test their immunity system when exposed to sick lawyers... nah, it's the place where the new breeds of laws test their immunity system against the sick laws... nah, it's the place where sick law interbreeding happens... aghhh, I give up...
heh, for what is worth my late response:
:-) I have just recently noticed that many posts criticizing US (and puncturing through the thick layer of propaganda) get automatically negatively moded. Some of them might survive some insightful points but overall the lynch mob gets on them fast...now the cynic that I am and with inveterate "conspiratorial tendencies" I believe PR companies' peons are hard at work... call me a cynic, or a conspiracy theorist, I've just read too much and know too much observing how the system works.
I misunderstood your statement and for that I would like to apologize!
I don't believe there are two sides of the truth. That's a PR invention that has gotten US (and other western countries) into the intellectual vacuum mess they are at, a situation where illiteracy, idiocy and propaganda thrive and flourish into, so not at all an accidental choice, mind you...
right, "diversity of viewpoints" is to label somebody troll and flamebait when you don't agree with him... that's definitely not lockstep ideology, aha, sure, you must be from the department-of-truth busy redefining words for us... don't let some minor contradictions stop you comrade...
...don't you love it when any "unpleasant" truth about US is moded troll or flamebait nowdays on /.? Apparently the uber-patriots have discovered the internetS...
... heh? Did Y2K reset your counter??????
Liberty is expensive, but it's cheaper than ever.
you've got to love it when americans refer to their fellow men (who were lied into giving their lives up for a shady but very lucrative cause) in derogatory terms like these... let me guess... nobody from your family entered this super-deal "bargain"? Talking about dehumanizing culture of cannibals...
It seems though the "liberty warriors" that actually make it out of that hell you're cheerleading about are having some...consciousness problems... committing suicide in the end...let me guess..."liberty is cheap but hard"... just give me a moment to throw up in disgust knowing that I belong to the same species as you... carry on, nothing to see here...
... so why the fuss?
./er (not to the general public dare I say...) is that they can't believe anymore in the fairytale of corporate capitalism and what a wonderful world it builds for all of us. They see the signs of a vicious fascism creeping everywhere and how even justice and liberty have become commodities to be bought and sold to the highest bidder... well well well... bonne journée!
It used to be done in secret diplomatic meetings and under a cover of foreign relations when big corporate interests dictated their agenda through government mouthpieces, usually with the threat of military/economic pressure looming in the horizon. Their favorite government of choice to carry their agenda was of course US. Now either because governments are too inefficient to flex rapidly or because vote-counting hasn't been "modernized" yet (Diebold anyone?) and most of all because even the most successful PR campaigns always take a finite amount of time to sway public opinion in desirable directions (e.g. took years to convince americans that Iraq was behind 9/11) corporate interests have taken it upon themselves to apply their gunboat diplomacy.
Who needs official government representatives meeting each other anymore when articles written by a lobby team in the US can bring a foreign government down? What is outrageous to the average
depends if it's a signed or unsigned integer...
carry on citizen! Nothing to see here, the elections(R)[patent pending trademark of Diebold co.] are coming up so you can choose a candidate(TM)[owned by classified (for national security reasons) interests] by pressing an appropriate button at the Diebold Electronic Voting Machine(TM)and provided you've chosen wisely [Diebold co. safeguards your democracy and freedom(TM) for you] there will be the necessary voicing of your concerns about this issue. Once it gets properly acknowledged (>/dev/null) you will be notified. In the meanwhile, abstain from alcohol, pray to Jesus, don't touch children/gay/lesbian people, and don't be a teRRist hating america and our freedom and democracy(TM). We appreciate your business and looking forward to serving you again! Have a nice day!
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so my cellphone will have a direct line of contact with a... government agency that will... collect my information.. time of day... places I've been... all in the name of... *drums rolling, what could possibly go wrong, I've got nothing to hide*... seCuRitY...
yes, you see this will happen ONLY if the radiation detector fires up an event, NEVER EVER before... the government agency in charge will make sure of that...
what a jolly happy world we are living in, turn every single one of us into a government agent (stooge). Later on the grid will be expanded to keep track of criminals that might be passing us by (for example child molesters in case your morality standards haven't crumbled to the floor yet and are still putting up a fight, you surely wouldn't like little children getting hurt because of some ACLU ridiculous claims on privacy, would you?)... carry on citizens, carry on, nothing to see here...the future is going to be bright and spectacular...
excuse me but the point is a bit delicate here. In the absence of a copyright framework then GPL will be completely unnecessary because nobody will even bother taking the open source code, closing it, and then trying to sell the end product under a... copyright. The whole idea of GPL (and the rest of the variances) is to basically undermine the copyright framework, basically nullify it.
By taking that framework away linux will keep rising and shining while certain other OS will only shrink and die a miserable death. So let's not muddle the waters here. Yes it is a scary world out there without a copyright framework but it is a step forward for sure, so let's just make it.
It was a scary world out there as well when humanity realized the earth was not the center of the universe and all sorts of catastrophes were predicted if that was to be true, but we recuperated just fine out of it, and the whole world didn't collapse...
comrade, let's despair together! This world is indeed more and more depressing... It is amazing what people are made to believe nowdays and are made to accept. Just come up with an argument where "a child is in harms way if $INSERT_YOUR_HOLY_CRUSADE_DESIRE doesn't happen" and voila! Idiocy is unbeatable...
As propaganda-101 teaches us, the seed of propaganda is self-contradictory by itself, and that's the key to defend against it (provided the desire to do so exists in the first place). So let's rip the above argument apart, and expose its absurdity:
If "illegal images" are images that depict illegal acts, then 80% of the Library of Congress should be burned down and the corresponding writers arrested for depicting "illegal acts" in their books. That includes the fucking Bible (for all of you christian talibans out there) which has a murder or two every other page, sometimes without sparing the gory details. Let's arrest posthumously all the Bible writers and excommunicate them, fine the Church for promoting them, hell let's crucify them all just for fun because they promoted and keep promoting "illegal imagery".
This is just the start. I can easly continue to every area under the sun and generalize until nothing is left standing... but Idiocy is unbeatable so I will lose in the end anyway...
So yes, there are indeed illegal images. Some images are even illegal, even if the act they depict is not.
Yes, makes perfect sense! I see it now! You are in a theater, and the protagonist is getting murdered. The police busts the door open and arrests the whole cast for depicting "illegal images"! Conspiring to commit a murder...
extrapolate... extrapolate... extrapolate...
Shakespeare is put to prison for depicting all those "illegal images" in his plays with the intent to murder Kings, merchants etc, and all his works are sent to the fire...
extrapolate...extrapolate...extrapolate...
Yes, this planet is making more and more sense everyday. What's scaring me more is people like you that think all's well, nothing out of the "ordinary"...
let me hide under my desk for now...
WTF??? There is such a thing as an "illegal image"???? I must have missed the memo... next thing you know, there will be "illegal sounds" and "illegal ideas"! LOL! This planet is getting more and more fucked up by the day and nobody seems to notice...in fact watch the answers to this post, people will be quick to point out how this is perfectly normal...for example (drum rolling, music peaks) a child being molested is an "illegal image"!!! You see now, bozo?
Go ahead and explain now the difference between an "act" and the "image of an act"... oh dear time for a coffee break...
Well, what if it DOES make society safer?
History has repeatedly proven that when a government asks its citizens to give up liberties it is working against making society safer but more absolute and submissive. Can you provide with any example where people who gave up their freedoms became safer? I can cite alot of counterexamples: nazi/fascist/communist governments that miserably failed in all fronts, including safety (the state safety-keeping apparatus turned against the citizens). Now neo-capitalism wants to join the club and they are going to be different exactly why?
Please don't use the words "democracy and freedom" in your answer, I've just eaten...
I wonder if they have a collection or recycling mechanism for the dead/mulfunctioning/washed-up ones, otherwise I can't help point out the irony that in the process of studying the environment (in order to be friendlier to it) you pollute the hell out of it. Are the gadgets biodegradable? Do they self-destruct into harmless, eco-friendly elements with a nice boom? (will make ordinary swimming experience fun beyond imagination...)... 800 Argo floats/year without collecting the old ones is at least irresponsible...