With all of the hate directed at Apple, I actually have a hard time believing that.
How does hate being directed at Apple apply?
If we are talking about a group of people who like Apple stuff then why would someone's, who is outside of that group, opinion of Apple affect the Apple group's affinity towards GNU open source?
I'm just going to respond to a few of your points:
No, there are a lot of legitimate reasons to hate Java, mainly because it promised things it couldn't deliver.
There are plenty of other languages that promises much and deliver few. I think a lot of language preference depends on what you learned first and who you choose to associate with. I know plenty of Perl programmers who swear Perl is the one true language, and the same with C++, Python, Ruby, etc. Each language has its strength and weaknesses, but none of them have anything that warrants the level of hate. Except for Perl it is perfectly fine to hate that one.:P
Then there's performance. Java performance is on a par with StrongTalk or Self, yet it's a much lower-level language. Performance is usually okay, but again Java promised C-like performance and then shows misleading benchmarks to demonstrate it.
I don't know where you get your information from but Java does pretty well on the performance front. It benefits greatly from its static typing system and doesn't suffer from the overhead that is associated with the dynamic languages like Perl, Ruby, and Python. Java is magnitudes faster than the current batch of young languages and is in close ranks with the big three (C, Fortran, and C++). The fact that it runs without recompile on multiple hardware platforms is a bonus.
Next there's the pain of interfacing Java with other languages. If I have a C library, I can trivially call it from most scripting languages, from Objective-C, from C++, from D, from Pascal, from Lisp, and so on.
To be fair, I'd hope it would be trivial to call a C library from within C++ and Objective-C otherwise something is seriously wrong since they are pretty much derived from C. As for "so on" I do know that there is usually a binding meta languages involved (Perl's comes to mind), so I don't think JNI is any less different than the others. Since the other languages tend to be *much* slower, binding to a C library is much more important for them.
Then there's the incompatibilities between versions. Once you've got your write-once-run-anywhere program working on your customer's machine, he installs a new version of the JRE and it stops working. Meanwhile, the statically compiled, statically linked, program in another language works just fine...
Not necessarily true. You can keep your older versions of the JRE installed. Of course your comparison is with a "statically compiled, statically linked program" and not the more compact and prevalent dynamically linked programs. Nothing prevents someone from continuing to use the older JRE with a Java application that has all of its dependencies included in the application JAR file.
And then there's the library system. Some rookie mistakes, like making String final. More importantly there's the design patterns fetishism that's so prevalent. There's a reason for all of those JavaProgramFactoryFactoryFactory jokes...
Not only was it frustrating that you still had to call an 800 number to place an order and wait for it to be shipped to you, but you now had to pay retail sales tax since the company now had a presence in your state.
The group with the largest disposable income is more likely to purchase big ticket items. Also people who spend most of their money on necessities tend to be brand loyal on those necessities.
And for the most part the ball doesn't even come in contact with your feet, except for an optional game play.
Actually we have a kickoff which has to happen at the beginning of each half and after someone scores.
The "optional" plays are:
Punting on fourth down which is the norm unless the coach is confident that a first down can be achieved, or when he want to make a...
Field goal attempt which scores the team 3 points instead of the customary 6 points for a touchdown.
Extra point attempt after the team scores a touchdown. This is down often unless the coach thinks that it's worth the risk to attempt a two-point conversion.
American football gets its name from the type of ball not from the ball making contact with the player's feet. But as evidence above, the football making contact with a players foot isn't that rare of an event.
Parents do spend more money on necessities which would make them valuable to advertisers selling "diapers", "groceries", "toys", etc.
However single people and couples without children, do not need to spend as much on necessities which would make them valuable to advertisers that sell luxury items like "sports cars", "gadgets", "alcoholic drinks", "restaurants", "concerts", etc. which are more lucrative.
Unfortunately a lot of the hotly anticipating games you used as an example are not for the Wii.
I think the parent poster's comment about "continued rehashes of old franchises" was referring to the Wii's continued reliance on game series that don't really sell well in the western markets. Sure Nintendo has Mario Bros, Metroid, and Kirby franchises but the existence of these franchises isn't enough to counter the larger number and much more popular and profitable titles that are coming out on the PS3 and Xbox 360.
This is not taking into consideration the nonexclusive titles that play better on the more capable PS3 and Xbox 360 which puts Nintendo at a distinct disadvantage.
Those "environmentally sensitive areas" already have oil pipelines running through them.
False. The National Pipeline Mapping System ("www.npms.phmsa.dot.gov") show no oil pipelines in the Sand Hills area. Which thanks to opposition from the Obama administration, the Keystone project agreed to avoid. Also, if you notice on the map the pipelines in the region where the keystone pipeline will be placed are natural gas not petroleum and don't have the same pollution hazards.
The outrage is not in the who, but in the what. The destruction will last for as long as the human species exists, yet benefits only a couple generations. Once burned, the energy is irreplaceably lost, and whatever we are making with it will last for another couple generations at most. The majority of what we make with it won't even last a single generation. Much of it barely lasts five years.
I'm not a fan of strip mining since it places too much emphasis on profit over environment. There are better ways to extract coal but it costs more money than the mining company can recoup from the current coal market.
I disagree on your assertion that the benefits from coal is short lived since the energy produced by coal is used on more than just gadgets. It's also used to power manufacturing plants, hospitals, schools, home, and even research centers that specialize in alternative energy sources. It is what keeps electricity cheap and our technological, service, and consumer economy viable.
Selfishly, I feel a little better if it at least benefits my own country.
This sort of brings us back to your original argument:
Just like the Appalachian coal that gets shipped to China. To me, that is almost the most despicable part of the whole mess. If we produce cheap oil or cheap coal, it gets shipped out of the country.
There are no conditions given to the mining company on how the coal will be used. As soon as we start adding conditions, the same politicians whose rhetoric argues for domestic oil equals cheaper gasoline will soon produce rhetoric that big government is stifling business. I'm sorry they are doing both with the Keystone pipeline issue, since they are arguing that cheaper gas is more important than regional environmental concerns and government should stay out of private energy companies' business.
This ranks right up there with "Drill Baby Drill". Sure people demand domestic energy production, but only if it's not in their "backyard".
"We" in this case refers to me, my family, the people in my geographical region who share the burden of local environmental problems, and the people in the political entity of the United States who collectively share the burden of allowing this monumental destruction of our children's land.
So you and your family are the ones stripping your own mountains and shipping them to China?
My point is that you misused "We". You lumped all the US in with the mining company, yet it is only the mining company that is doing the actual stripping and profiting.
The coal that come from the Appalachian mountains tend to have high sulfur content therefore the mining company has a better profit margin if that coal is exported to a country that has more lenient emission standards than our own. On the flip side, we import a lot of low-sulfur coal for use in our electrical power plants.
We are stripping OUR OWN MOUNTAINS and shipping them to China.
Who are we? The mining companies are taking advantage of mining rights given to them decades ago and making a profit *shocking*. You act like it's some grand conspiracy...
What the politicians don't want you to know is that the production of crude oil doesn't affect the price at the pumps as much as the production capacity of the oil refineries. In fact, the US has been enjoying an oil boom in 2011 with exports of petroleum at it highest in the past 11 years or more (reference).
The republicans are using the seasonal nature of gas pricing (summer months mean higher prices) to pressure Obama into allowing the Keystone XL pipeline to be constructed through environmentally sensitive areas by threatening his reelection over an issue they feel the populace could rally behind. Welcome to election year rhetoric folks.
Putty isn't really "part of" Windows (nor is Cygwin) although I've used it and it's a good piece of software.
Technically speaking openssl and ssh isn't really "part of" Linux either. It just happens to be packaged as a default install in most (it not all) Linux distributions. So the difference is really the need to download the application. So if you actually needed ssh then it's pretty trivial for you to install it.
no support for filesystems other than NTFS and FAT
Actually I don't see a need for a desktop to have a multitude of file systems installed especially when NTFS seems to be up to the task. But there are FUSE type programs available for Windows like Dokan.
no low level disk tools (dd); poor NFS support; doesn't come with a decent text editor.... I could carry on, but you get the idea.
Actually low level disk tools more sophisticated than dd originated in the DOS/Windows environment. It had a much larger market for small hard drives and the increased need to fix them;P. I could go on and counter each one of your points (and I don't use Windows) but you get the point that we can nitpick any OS to death.
Spend millions of dollars on advertising and even more in subsidies to hardware manufacturers (or like Apple make your own hardware.) But I have no idea why anyone would want to do that.
We seem to be quick to blame others for Linux inability to make significant in roads in the desktop market. I'm sure the lack of a unified desktop and the sudden urge to fuck up the ones we have (Gnome 3, Unity and KDE 4) may have something to do with it. The lack of apps that consumers want is another issue.
Of course Linux has come a long way. The Linux we have today is *much* more polished than the Linux distributions that I started with.
What I would like to know is why all the outrage over Apple?
Because the mainstream press is extremely lazy due to the desire to not pay for real investigative reporting. Apple has disclosed its supply chain in bits and pieces in the past and is the only smartphone supplier to commit to opening up their supply chain for inspection by third parties. Combine this with the instant recognition that the Apple brand has and the "fans"/"haters" that come with it, you'll have an article that generates a very large amount of traffic with the least expense in work or money.
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How does hate being directed at Apple apply?
If we are talking about a group of people who like Apple stuff then why would someone's, who is outside of that group, opinion of Apple affect the Apple group's affinity towards GNU open source?
I'm just going to respond to a few of your points:
There are plenty of other languages that promises much and deliver few. I think a lot of language preference depends on what you learned first and who you choose to associate with. I know plenty of Perl programmers who swear Perl is the one true language, and the same with C++, Python, Ruby, etc. Each language has its strength and weaknesses, but none of them have anything that warrants the level of hate. Except for Perl it is perfectly fine to hate that one. :P
I don't know where you get your information from but Java does pretty well on the performance front. It benefits greatly from its static typing system and doesn't suffer from the overhead that is associated with the dynamic languages like Perl, Ruby, and Python. Java is magnitudes faster than the current batch of young languages and is in close ranks with the big three (C, Fortran, and C++). The fact that it runs without recompile on multiple hardware platforms is a bonus.
To be fair, I'd hope it would be trivial to call a C library from within C++ and Objective-C otherwise something is seriously wrong since they are pretty much derived from C. As for "so on" I do know that there is usually a binding meta languages involved (Perl's comes to mind), so I don't think JNI is any less different than the others. Since the other languages tend to be *much* slower, binding to a C library is much more important for them.
Not necessarily true. You can keep your older versions of the JRE installed. Of course your comparison is with a "statically compiled, statically linked program" and not the more compact and prevalent dynamically linked programs. Nothing prevents someone from continuing to use the older JRE with a Java application that has all of its dependencies included in the application JAR file.
And this is unique to Java?
Because being fond of Apple products and being fond of GNU open source isn't absolutely mutually exclusive.
I'm sure no one will notice the semi-tractor trailer rig in your lap. :P
Gateway computers did this and it sucked.
Not only was it frustrating that you still had to call an 800 number to place an order and wait for it to be shipped to you, but you now had to pay retail sales tax since the company now had a presence in your state.
The group with the largest disposable income is more likely to purchase big ticket items. Also people who spend most of their money on necessities tend to be brand loyal on those necessities.
Actually we have a kickoff which has to happen at the beginning of each half and after someone scores.
The "optional" plays are:
Punting on fourth down which is the norm unless the coach is confident that a first down can be achieved, or when he want to make a...
Field goal attempt which scores the team 3 points instead of the customary 6 points for a touchdown.
Extra point attempt after the team scores a touchdown. This is down often unless the coach thinks that it's worth the risk to attempt a two-point conversion.
American football gets its name from the type of ball not from the ball making contact with the player's feet. But as evidence above, the football making contact with a players foot isn't that rare of an event.
I think the key term is Disposable Income.
Parents do spend more money on necessities which would make them valuable to advertisers selling "diapers", "groceries", "toys", etc.
However single people and couples without children, do not need to spend as much on necessities which would make them valuable to advertisers that sell luxury items like "sports cars", "gadgets", "alcoholic drinks", "restaurants", "concerts", etc. which are more lucrative.
Unfortunately a lot of the hotly anticipating games you used as an example are not for the Wii.
I think the parent poster's comment about "continued rehashes of old franchises" was referring to the Wii's continued reliance on game series that don't really sell well in the western markets. Sure Nintendo has Mario Bros, Metroid, and Kirby franchises but the existence of these franchises isn't enough to counter the larger number and much more popular and profitable titles that are coming out on the PS3 and Xbox 360.
This is not taking into consideration the nonexclusive titles that play better on the more capable PS3 and Xbox 360 which puts Nintendo at a distinct disadvantage.
False. The National Pipeline Mapping System ("www.npms.phmsa.dot.gov") show no oil pipelines in the Sand Hills area. Which thanks to opposition from the Obama administration, the Keystone project agreed to avoid. Also, if you notice on the map the pipelines in the region where the keystone pipeline will be placed are natural gas not petroleum and don't have the same pollution hazards.
I'm not a fan of strip mining since it places too much emphasis on profit over environment. There are better ways to extract coal but it costs more money than the mining company can recoup from the current coal market.
I disagree on your assertion that the benefits from coal is short lived since the energy produced by coal is used on more than just gadgets. It's also used to power manufacturing plants, hospitals, schools, home, and even research centers that specialize in alternative energy sources. It is what keeps electricity cheap and our technological, service, and consumer economy viable.
This sort of brings us back to your original argument:
There are no conditions given to the mining company on how the coal will be used. As soon as we start adding conditions, the same politicians whose rhetoric argues for domestic oil equals cheaper gasoline will soon produce rhetoric that big government is stifling business. I'm sorry they are doing both with the Keystone pipeline issue, since they are arguing that cheaper gas is more important than regional environmental concerns and government should stay out of private energy companies' business.
This ranks right up there with "Drill Baby Drill". Sure people demand domestic energy production, but only if it's not in their "backyard".
So you and your family are the ones stripping your own mountains and shipping them to China?
My point is that you misused "We". You lumped all the US in with the mining company, yet it is only the mining company that is doing the actual stripping and profiting.
The coal that come from the Appalachian mountains tend to have high sulfur content therefore the mining company has a better profit margin if that coal is exported to a country that has more lenient emission standards than our own. On the flip side, we import a lot of low-sulfur coal for use in our electrical power plants.
Who are we? The mining companies are taking advantage of mining rights given to them decades ago and making a profit *shocking*. You act like it's some grand conspiracy...
What the politicians don't want you to know is that the production of crude oil doesn't affect the price at the pumps as much as the production capacity of the oil refineries. In fact, the US has been enjoying an oil boom in 2011 with exports of petroleum at it highest in the past 11 years or more (reference).
The republicans are using the seasonal nature of gas pricing (summer months mean higher prices) to pressure Obama into allowing the Keystone XL pipeline to be constructed through environmentally sensitive areas by threatening his reelection over an issue they feel the populace could rally behind. Welcome to election year rhetoric folks.
Actually the "Little House on the Prairie" pub sell those..
Too early for an obscure reference?
To be fair. I use KDE4 the most, except on some RHEL machines where Gnome 2 still lives.
Unity is still an unfinished POS.
Technically speaking openssl and ssh isn't really "part of" Linux either. It just happens to be packaged as a default install in most (it not all) Linux distributions. So the difference is really the need to download the application. So if you actually needed ssh then it's pretty trivial for you to install it.
I don't use windows anymore, but when I did:
I used PuTTY
Actually I don't see a need for a desktop to have a multitude of file systems installed especially when NTFS seems to be up to the task. But there are FUSE type programs available for Windows like Dokan.
Actually low level disk tools more sophisticated than dd originated in the DOS/Windows environment. It had a much larger market for small hard drives and the increased need to fix them ;P. I could go on and counter each one of your points (and I don't use Windows) but you get the point that we can nitpick any OS to death.
You accidentally placed a treatment for insomnia in your list of good movies.
We seem to be quick to blame others for Linux inability to make significant in roads in the desktop market. I'm sure the lack of a unified desktop and the sudden urge to fuck up the ones we have (Gnome 3, Unity and KDE 4) may have something to do with it. The lack of apps that consumers want is another issue.
Of course Linux has come a long way. The Linux we have today is *much* more polished than the Linux distributions that I started with.
Because the mainstream press is extremely lazy due to the desire to not pay for real investigative reporting. Apple has disclosed its supply chain in bits and pieces in the past and is the only smartphone supplier to commit to opening up their supply chain for inspection by third parties. Combine this with the instant recognition that the Apple brand has and the "fans"/"haters" that come with it, you'll have an article that generates a very large amount of traffic with the least expense in work or money.
Having Fox News operated like Fox Sports would be a huge improvement. Better accuracy and more responsive with instant replays to verify the stories.
It was not NPR it was PRI. Jeez, don't let you political hyperbole get in the way of the facts.
Especially when I thought the wet t-shirt effect was referring to transparency and not evaporative cooling.
Actually his logic suggests that ATT is legally obligated to not put artificial barriers like throttling to the data access.