I'm sure some 'secure' ones will be chopping theirs off to get even bigger ones.
Though if anyone comes near that part of me with anything sharp they better have a good will. I'm sure it would stand up as self defence with any male judge
And all the corporate servers running linux (most of them are on desktop pc mobo's) not to mention the companies / goverment offices who run linux on the desktop.
I can't give the exact power requirements of componentsbut reading some of the marketing / reviews it's quite clear that the xbox360 has power requirements more like a desktop than a laptop.
To paraphrase you post [paraphrase] I cut holes in my sterio cabinet, installed fans and even then I had to put the power brick 2ft away (that's as far as the power cable could reach). [/paraphrase]
Does that sound like any other consumer friendly appliance? I know that 90% of people who are told they have to cut holes in their hifi rack and install fans, just for the latest gaming console would think it's an urban myth
From what I've seen of the xbox360 it's a laptop. As in the PSU charges the batteries and the console draws from the batteries. HOWEVER from the few spec's I've seen the power rating is that of your average PC, NOT your average laptop.
Well the question has to be asked, what temp did your server room get to? Where I work we keep the data center at 20C, if 1 unit fails the temp usually rises to about 25C, if 2 fail (it's happened once during a hot summer) the temp rises VERY quickly. I've seen the average temp at 65C, I'd hate to guess what some of the temps were inside the servers who didn't have the thermal protection enabled in bios.
I've seen mobo's that have been lightly burnt / melted around the CPU socket.
I work in a good size datacenter where we lease our servers to customers as well as offering colocation. ALL of our servers come with no OS installed. Well install about 5 servers a day for the SME market typically 1 will be windows, the rest will be linux (mostly redhat / fedora) yes we'll do custom installs for larger customers who buy multiple servers with the same install, but it's far easier and cheaper for us to install onsite than to get our supplier to do it.
Not to mention all of our linux builds are patched up to date as they are built, instead of coming off set build targets that can be months out of date security wise.
If you drive around london pay close attention to the number plates. I've seen ALOT of plates that I'm sure AREN'T legal (and I'm not meaning having the wrong font). There are some that clearly aren't standard or official personalized ones.
They have plans to extend the camera network so camera's are every 400M along motorways and primary routes, with more camera's in the city centers. Their primary purpose is to directly link with the the road tax and insurance databases to stop people driving uninsured / untaxed people on the roads.
They are also looking at using this as average speed cameras, so if your average speed is above the speed limit in the area covered, then they will automatically fine you.
Well compare it to how much people have to pay for file sharing. Atleast 10K per song or 100K per CD, I'll take the 100K/CD thanks considering the average album has over 10 songs
it's swings and roundabouts, ISP's don't provide additional addresses, or additional connections because they can charge for that, and they don't have enough address space to allow every user multiple public ip's.
Read the specs for ipv6. Every isp is advised to route an ipv6/64 to each customer.
from apnic (asia pacific network information center (people responsible for assigning ip's in the asia pacific area) )
Note there are similar for arin, ripe, lanic
5.4.1. Assignment address space size
Assignments are to be made in accordance with the existing guidelines [RFC3177,RIRs-on-48], which are summarized here as:
*/48 in the general case, except for very large subscribers
*/64 when it is known that one and only one subnet is needed by design
*/128 when it is absolutely known that one and only one device is connecting.
If an isp wanted to be tight then they would find it hard to justify giving less than a/96. even if they gave a/108 you'd have about 64K addresses
note a/108 is global prefex:isp prefex:isp space:isp space:isp space:isp space:isp space:you.
Most ISP's that are currently offering ipv6 will give a/48 on request (and they have over 64K of them to give out. That's global prefix:isp prefix:your prefix (and 64K other customers for that ISP)
Following the numbers specified by the registry above (aka a/64) an isp can still have a little over 4 billion customers (1B = 1000M) (256^4 to be exact)
If they go to the/96 then the number is 256^6 customers, if they give just a/108 to a customer then they can have 256^8 (that's about 18,446,744,073,709,551,616) 18 million million.
and if they are wanting that many customers I'd be more worried about the state of the planet trying to feed us (not to mention I'm not sure if there is enough space on the planet surface)
NAT provides users with a way to make themselves invisible to incoming connections, protecting them from bugs in the operating systems of computers on the LAN. Nope, that's what a firewall does (almost all NAT boxes also have some degree of firewalling built in)
NAT provides a way of multiple computers (and devices) to connect to the internet through 1 ip address.
We'll still need that, we just won't call it NAT, We'll just have people calling it by it's correct name, Firewalling
Yes and no. There's nothing in the spec saying you can't NAT IPV6, but most of the people writing ipv6 implementations have flatout refused to write NAT for it.
The units of the imerial system were never "chosen for convenience", they were created out of royal decrees and later fudged to fit other measurements that were bigger eg inches to feet to yards to miles. Miles were 'invented' by the romans it came from the word milli (meaning one thousand) and was used to measure 1000 standard paces. The legions even had special solders trained to walk in standard paces. Inch: At first an inch was the width of a man's thumb. In the 14th century, King Edward II of England ruled that 1 inch equal 3 grains of barley placed end to end lengthwise.
Yard: A yard was originally the length of a man's belt or girdle, as it was called. In the 12th century, King Henry I of England fixed the yard as the distance from his nose to the thumb of his out-stretched arm. Today it is 36 inches, about the distance from nose to out-stretched arm of a man.
As you can see none of it was chosen for convenience (at least as far as conversion of units is concerned). The chineese based their system of measurement on sound, more specifically the sound of a bell ringing. Then all their measurements came from that (the volume in the bell, the length of the string to the ringer part at the bottom, the weight when made from a spcific material (bronze I think) )
The whole point is that the imperial system of measurements isn't even standardized over the globe today. US and UK gallons are an example, the pint is another. Metric is not only standard, but the units of conversion are all quite easy even when converting from things like lengths to area, to volume, or from one form of energy to another (eg kenetic to thermal)
Most of the probelm is that core routers cost quite a bit of money. It's not the sort of things that many ISP's want to throw away too quickly and not all routers can have firmware upgrades even when there is a support contract.
Well all know that businesses will only spend money when they are forced to. So which do you think is more likely, The CEO of a small ISP will get a new sports car or they will get a new Cisco 7K maybe 10K series router. The sports car is probably the cheaper option
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I'm sure some 'secure' ones will be chopping theirs off to get even bigger ones.
Though if anyone comes near that part of me with anything sharp they better have a good will. I'm sure it would stand up as self defence with any male judge
And all the corporate servers running linux (most of them are on desktop pc mobo's) not to mention the companies / goverment offices who run linux on the desktop.
Somehow I doubt M$ will manage to do as you say
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http://cgi.ebay.com/CELERON-D-345-PRESCOTT-3-06-G
3.2ghz P4 about $360
http://cgi.ebay.com/INTEL-3-2GHZ-P4-512MB-80G-CDR
xbox360 about $400
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=999
If you're going to make a cluster why not just use common PC equipment ?
It's cheaper than the 360 and I'd guess at alot easier
Would you trust the ps3 toolkit from sony NOT to be rooted / DRM'd ?
Ah, ok, I stand corrected.
Still it could have been worded ALOT better on every site selling xbox 360's
I still have my doubts about any external PSU providing enough current for a water cooled system
I'm sure someone will come up with some steriods that help the injected area to grow ;)
I can't give the exact power requirements of componentsbut reading some of the marketing / reviews it's quite clear that the xbox360 has power requirements more like a desktop than a laptop.
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http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=5
The video includes the phrase "water cooled cpu heatsink solution"
There is some hardware info at http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-
However if you look at the sales blurb it comes with batteries and can be used for short durations without the psu.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00
# Includes: Xbox 360 System, additional Wireless Controller, a Play and Charge Kit, a Rechargeable Battery Pack, faceplate
Not if you could sell it on ebay and make a profit
To paraphrase you post
[paraphrase]
I cut holes in my sterio cabinet, installed fans and even then I had to put the power brick 2ft away (that's as far as the power cable could reach).
[/paraphrase]
Does that sound like any other consumer friendly appliance? I know that 90% of people who are told they have to cut holes in their hifi rack and install fans, just for the latest gaming console would think it's an urban myth
2 button mouse with ball
3 button wheel mouse with ball
3 button optical wheel mouse
5 button optical wheel mouse
Sounds like evolution to me
and oh went from ps2 to usb
From what I've seen of the xbox360 it's a laptop. As in the PSU charges the batteries and the console draws from the batteries.
HOWEVER from the few spec's I've seen the power rating is that of your average PC, NOT your average laptop.
Well the question has to be asked, what temp did your server room get to?
Where I work we keep the data center at 20C, if 1 unit fails the temp usually rises to about 25C, if 2 fail (it's happened once during a hot summer) the temp rises VERY quickly. I've seen the average temp at 65C, I'd hate to guess what some of the temps were inside the servers who didn't have the thermal protection enabled in bios.
I've seen mobo's that have been lightly burnt / melted around the CPU socket.
More often than not it's sold either with windows pre-installed, or otherwise counted in the windows install numbers
I work in a good size datacenter where we lease our servers to customers as well as offering colocation. ALL of our servers come with no OS installed.
Well install about 5 servers a day for the SME market typically 1 will be windows, the rest will be linux (mostly redhat / fedora) yes we'll do custom installs for larger customers who buy multiple servers with the same install, but it's far easier and cheaper for us to install onsite than to get our supplier to do it.
Not to mention all of our linux builds are patched up to date as they are built, instead of coming off set build targets that can be months out of date security wise.
If you drive around london pay close attention to the number plates. I've seen ALOT of plates that I'm sure AREN'T legal (and I'm not meaning having the wrong font). There are some that clearly aren't standard or official personalized ones.
They have plans to extend the camera network so camera's are every 400M along motorways and primary routes, with more camera's in the city centers.
Their primary purpose is to directly link with the the road tax and insurance databases to stop people driving uninsured / untaxed people on the roads.
They are also looking at using this as average speed cameras, so if your average speed is above the speed limit in the area covered, then they will automatically fine you.
Well compare it to how much people have to pay for file sharing.
Atleast 10K per song or 100K per CD, I'll take the 100K/CD thanks considering the average album has over 10 songs
M$ was more public about what their rootkit does. They tell you it phones home etc.
Sony installs theirs without telling you and then if you try to uninstall it, it roots you even worse
http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/ipv6-address-poli cy.html
/64's (it's on an address boundry ':')
they are looking / reccomending on giving
it's swings and roundabouts, ISP's don't provide additional addresses, or additional connections because they can charge for that, and they don't have enough address space to allow every user multiple public ip's. Read the specs for ipv6. Every isp is advised to route an ipv6 /64 to each customer.
from apnic (asia pacific network information center (people responsible for assigning ip's in the asia pacific area) )
Note there are similar for arin, ripe, lanic
5.4.1. Assignment address space size
Assignments are to be made in accordance with the existing guidelines [RFC3177,RIRs-on-48], which are summarized here as:
* /48 in the general case, except for very large subscribers
* /64 when it is known that one and only one subnet is needed by design
* /128 when it is absolutely known that one and only one device is connecting.
If an isp wanted to be tight then they would find it hard to justify giving less than a /96. even if they gave a /108 you'd have about 64K addresses
note a /108 is global prefex:isp prefex:isp space:isp space:isp space:isp space:isp space:you.
Most ISP's that are currently offering ipv6 will give a /48 on request (and they have over 64K of them to give out. That's global prefix:isp prefix:your prefix (and 64K other customers for that ISP)
Following the numbers specified by the registry above (aka a /64) an isp can still have a little over 4 billion customers (1B = 1000M) (256^4 to be exact)
If they go to the /96 then the number is 256^6 customers, if they give just a /108 to a customer then they can have 256^8 (that's about 18,446,744,073,709,551,616) 18 million million.
and if they are wanting that many customers I'd be more worried about the state of the planet trying to feed us (not to mention I'm not sure if there is enough space on the planet surface)
NAT provides users with a way to make themselves invisible to incoming connections, protecting them from bugs in the operating systems of computers on the LAN.
Nope, that's what a firewall does (almost all NAT boxes also have some degree of firewalling built in)
NAT provides a way of multiple computers (and devices) to connect to the internet through 1 ip address.
We'll still need that, we just won't call it NAT,
We'll just have people calling it by it's correct name, Firewalling
If you really wanted ipv6 there are places like 6bone who will route globally accessable blocks to your gateway
Yes and no. There's nothing in the spec saying you can't NAT IPV6, but most of the people writing ipv6 implementations have flatout refused to write NAT for it.
The units of the imerial system were never "chosen for convenience", they were created out of royal decrees and later fudged to fit other measurements that were bigger eg inches to feet to yards to miles.
Miles were 'invented' by the romans it came from the word milli (meaning one thousand) and was used to measure 1000 standard paces. The legions even had special solders trained to walk in standard paces.
Inch: At first an inch was the width of a man's thumb. In the 14th century, King Edward II of England ruled that 1 inch equal 3 grains of barley placed end to end lengthwise.
Yard: A yard was originally the length of a man's belt or girdle, as it was called. In the 12th century, King Henry I of England fixed the yard as the distance from his nose to the thumb of his out-stretched arm. Today it is 36 inches, about the distance from nose to out-stretched arm of a man.
As you can see none of it was chosen for convenience (at least as far as conversion of units is concerned).
The chineese based their system of measurement on sound, more specifically the sound of a bell ringing. Then all their measurements came from that (the volume in the bell, the length of the string to the ringer part at the bottom, the weight when made from a spcific material (bronze I think) )
The whole point is that the imperial system of measurements isn't even standardized over the globe today. US and UK gallons are an example, the pint is another. Metric is not only standard, but the units of conversion are all quite easy even when converting from things like lengths to area, to volume, or from one form of energy to another (eg kenetic to thermal)
Most of the probelm is that core routers cost quite a bit of money. It's not the sort of things that many ISP's want to throw away too quickly and not all routers can have firmware upgrades even when there is a support contract.
Well all know that businesses will only spend money when they are forced to. So which do you think is more likely, The CEO of a small ISP will get a new sports car or they will get a new Cisco 7K maybe 10K series router. The sports car is probably the cheaper option