Big difference. Microsoft was doing it as a "java killer" because they didn't want to run the risk of loosing market-share.
The language could have provided programs that people could use anywhere no matter whether it was on windows or not. Microsoft saw that this could hurt their market share. By making it only work on their platform with MS specific extensions, they saught to end the threat.
It's much the same thing that they did in the netscape vs ie battle with the exception that they lost the java war.
Yes, it's fairly easy to see which side of the argument he'll be on - His.
Hate to break it to you, but he's one of the most crazed, unstable (in the mental sense) people in the industry. He thinks that anything that isn't GNU is *wrong* and should never be used by *anyone* let alone be made by someone.
He doesn't care about other people or about reality; only his own ideals, anyone who disagrees is evil.
There was, I though, a rather amusing part of someone else's argument further up the page.
It's funny because it basically proves our point rather than supporting his:
"The FSF doesn't care about the programmers, as long as the code remains free."
Yes. Damn you and all of your lives as long as I get what *I* want. Sounds like Stallman.
I've ranted on Stallman more times than I can count, and I don't think i could have put it better in a single sentence. The irony was that it came from a Stallman Supporter. =]
Personally, I'd like to see the man tarred and feathered and then boiled in oil. I get so bloody tired of hearing his rants about "it may be free, but it's not Free"
I wish he'd refuse to use *all* "Free" tools. Somehow I doubt that computer he uses was "Free".
It'd be great. He'd be shut up to the point of being easy to ignore and we could actually get some work done without being called evil because we want to eat.
I can also keep a network of approximately 120 desktops and 6 or 7 servers up and running. In fact, it's how I worked my way through college (I was the network analyst and lead technician at a fairly large non-profit for four years).
I will concede the point that it's not easy to get good help (in my case it was largely because I didn't have as much of a say in the hiring process as I should have), but it is possible.
If nothing else, try looking to the area universities. They will produce at least a few people who know what they are doing and are capable of learning new things. Granted, they can be few and far between, but they are there.
Most of them can even read =]
Plus, considering the fact that the job market for new grads is brutal right now, they'd probably be happy to get a gig.
Here's a free tip - technical questions are important, but some people just memorize answers. Throw something weird at them - a logic problem, asking how many gas stations are in San Francisco, etc - to see how they think.
Facts can be learned with relative ease. Learning to think takes a bit more effort.
Well, considering that most products (successful or not) aren't that revolutionary or novel...
But seriously, most projects are just in-house or special case instances of things that have been done before but aren't quite what the people in charge want.
I keep seeing this "the jocks get the girl and the geeks get ignored" thing, and I just don't see it...
I was one of *the* geeks in high school (to the point that I even helped the valedictorian in physics because he was having trouble). It just that academics wasn't my whole life.
I also played music (for the fun of it) and even got outside on occasion (hikes, martial arts, etc). It should be mentioned that neither of these things were done publicly, so I wasn't known horribly well for it.
I was the guy who tutored practically everything there and who was in drama for a couple of years. The martial arts part only came out a couple of times when someone decided they wanted to try to make themselves feel important by launching a fist at my face because I was the quiet one.
I never had any problem getting the girls I wanted, either. I should mention that I'm not totally skinny and toned, in fact I'm in need of loosing a few pounds (and was then too). Strangely, I actually had girls asking me out instead of the other way around (both in high school and in college).
So I really don't see the whole "the girls ignore the geeks" thing...
There's this really neat concept that you might have heard of - get out of your dept on occasion. Go outside. Meet people. Speak to them.
Contrary to popular geek-belief, they won't look at you like you're some kind of fungus just because you say hello.
Self-confidence is a wonderful thing. It tends to make you more attractive to the opposite sex. Part of that is actually going and doing things.
Having said that, I didn't get along with most of the girls in my CS dept. They tended to have huge chips on their shoulders (most of them without good reason) and thought they were the world's gift to men.
Out of the girls in the engineering diciplines at my university, I always thought the Civ E's were the coolest. They tended to be fairly laid back and "normal" (read "non-psychotic") in addition to being intelligent and interesting.
You might be surprised to know that there's quite a bit of programming in those "crappy flash games".
Believe it or not, the language is rather C-like and has quite a bit of potential.
I used to think that making flash was all pointy clicky stuff until a couple of years ago when I attended a presentation at a conference (I went there for some of the other talks, but had a free hour so I decided to drop in for the heck of it).
I was actually impressed.
Moral of the story: don't be so elietest. Inspiration comes in many forms.
--Prayer for Avoiding the Notice of Mighty Cthulhu-- O Mighty Cthulhu, Destroyer of Worlds, Betrayer of Hope, Unstoppable Force of Annihilation, Please cast your attention towards someone else. I really don't care who. Feel free to eat my neighbor, my spouse, my dog. Anyone that isn't me. Cthulhu fhtagn, Cthulhu fhtagn! Please go back to fhtagn-ing, whatever that may be.
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So is donating it to his local linux users group. At one point, I got roughly 100 network cards (mostly 3com isa) in among other things I got in trade.
Only having use for about 10 (older machines +a few spares), I gave the rest to the local LUG. They were greatly appriciated because they had several older machinces still in need of parts.
I know the feeling. At a previous job, my boss (the IT manager if you can believe it), required that I *not* automate *anything*.
There were, I think, two reasons - 1) He wanted as many people under him as he could get. He was, after all, a power hungry little pain in the rear (I was there before he was hired, so he had nothing to do with my getting the job)
2) He didn't understand what the heck was going on. He was a paper MCSE who thought he was up on the programming side of things because his wife was a java developer. (I met the woman. I wasn't impressed with her abilities. please note - I actually like java when I can get away with using it)
That's the problem with political speech. It's much like techspeak in that it uses the fine distinctions (to most people) between certain words in order to paint things just how the politician in question wishes without being untruthful.
It makes things misleading to a lot of people without being technically false.
Sorry. I've known too many politicians at various levels (local, state, and fed). =]
Not really all that similar at all. In the begining (for the purposes of this post), was (D)ARPAnet, basically accessable only to the mil, gov, and some universities.
Creating a version of that open to the public would be no small feat. It would have required a lot of (largely government, most likely) funding as well as legislation.
In this case Create != Invent. In fact, it means just that: Create an instance of.
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Of course I'm a sadist. I was a sysadmin for several years. =]
I think the only software I've ever seen made with pascal was Cubic Player (mod file player. ah fond memories) but that was back in the early 90s.
I remember getting my first copy via sneakernet.
Big difference. Microsoft was doing it as a "java killer" because they didn't want to run the risk of loosing market-share.
The language could have provided programs that people could use anywhere no matter whether it was on windows or not. Microsoft saw that this could hurt their market share. By making it only work on their platform with MS specific extensions, they saught to end the threat.
It's much the same thing that they did in the netscape vs ie battle with the exception that they lost the java war.
Yes, it's fairly easy to see which side of the argument he'll be on - His.
Hate to break it to you, but he's one of the most crazed, unstable (in the mental sense) people in the industry. He thinks that anything that isn't GNU is *wrong* and should never be used by *anyone* let alone be made by someone.
He doesn't care about other people or about reality; only his own ideals, anyone who disagrees is evil.
GNU isn't an operating system. It's a *designation* given to a group of programs that are used by various operating systems.
It isn't a program, it isn't an operating system (which is a series of programs, so your logic there is hosed) - it's a *label*.
There was, I though, a rather amusing part of someone else's argument further up the page.
It's funny because it basically proves our point rather than supporting his:
"The FSF doesn't care about the programmers, as long as the code remains free."
Yes. Damn you and all of your lives as long as I get what *I* want. Sounds like Stallman.
I've ranted on Stallman more times than I can count, and I don't think i could have put it better in a single sentence. The irony was that it came from a Stallman Supporter. =]
Personally, I'd like to see the man tarred and feathered and then boiled in oil. I get so bloody tired of hearing his rants about "it may be free, but it's not Free"
I wish he'd refuse to use *all* "Free" tools. Somehow I doubt that computer he uses was "Free".
It'd be great. He'd be shut up to the point of being easy to ignore and we could actually get some work done without being called evil because we want to eat.
Yes, I can create complete sentences.
I can also keep a network of approximately 120 desktops and 6 or 7 servers up and running. In fact, it's how I worked my way through college (I was the network analyst and lead technician at a fairly large non-profit for four years).
I will concede the point that it's not easy to get good help (in my case it was largely because I didn't have as much of a say in the hiring process as I should have), but it is possible.
If nothing else, try looking to the area universities. They will produce at least a few people who know what they are doing and are capable of learning new things. Granted, they can be few and far between, but they are there.
Most of them can even read =]
Plus, considering the fact that the job market for new grads is brutal right now, they'd probably be happy to get a gig.
Here's a free tip - technical questions are important, but some people just memorize answers. Throw something weird at them - a logic problem, asking how many gas stations are in San Francisco, etc - to see how they think.
Facts can be learned with relative ease. Learning to think takes a bit more effort.
I'm glad I don't work for you. I dislike the idea of being thought of as incompetent and/or completely untrustworthy by default.
Did you ever consider that that might be/have been part of your problem - that only the people with those traits would deal with the flack?
Well, considering that most products (successful or not) aren't that revolutionary or novel...
But seriously, most projects are just in-house or special case instances of things that have been done before but aren't quite what the people in charge want.
That's just it. Stallman wants EVERYTHING to be "free" no matter WHO wrote it or what THEY want to do with it.
I've ranted on this topic (and the toad himself) often enough. I'll stop there.
Third, there are lightweight java implementations for palm. look into J2ME. =]
No, actually it's ActionScript.
You've been reading Snow Crash again recently, haven't you? =]
I'd want one of the computers, but more for the enhanced vision capabilites. heh
Gotta love the old (and all too true) joke.
"Man portable device does not specify how many men"
I keep seeing this "the jocks get the girl and the geeks get ignored" thing, and I just don't see it...
I was one of *the* geeks in high school (to the point that I even helped the valedictorian in physics because he was having trouble). It just that academics wasn't my whole life.
I also played music (for the fun of it) and even got outside on occasion (hikes, martial arts, etc). It should be mentioned that neither of these things were done publicly, so I wasn't known horribly well for it.
I was the guy who tutored practically everything there and who was in drama for a couple of years. The martial arts part only came out a couple of times when someone decided they wanted to try to make themselves feel important by launching a fist at my face because I was the quiet one.
I never had any problem getting the girls I wanted, either. I should mention that I'm not totally skinny and toned, in fact I'm in need of loosing a few pounds (and was then too). Strangely, I actually had girls asking me out instead of the other way around (both in high school and in college).
So I really don't see the whole "the girls ignore the geeks" thing...
There's this really neat concept that you might have heard of - get out of your dept on occasion. Go outside. Meet people. Speak to them.
Contrary to popular geek-belief, they won't look at you like you're some kind of fungus just because you say hello.
Self-confidence is a wonderful thing. It tends to make you more attractive to the opposite sex. Part of that is actually going and doing things.
Having said that, I didn't get along with most of the girls in my CS dept. They tended to have huge chips on their shoulders (most of them without good reason) and thought they were the world's gift to men.
Out of the girls in the engineering diciplines at my university, I always thought the Civ E's were the coolest. They tended to be fairly laid back and "normal" (read "non-psychotic") in addition to being intelligent and interesting.
You might be surprised to know that there's quite a bit of programming in those "crappy flash games".
Believe it or not, the language is rather C-like and has quite a bit of potential.
I used to think that making flash was all pointy clicky stuff until a couple of years ago when I attended a presentation at a conference (I went there for some of the other talks, but had a free hour so I decided to drop in for the heck of it).
I was actually impressed.
Moral of the story: don't be so elietest. Inspiration comes in many forms.
not to mention that it's Mr Spock.
Dr Spock (1903-1998) was a pediatrician turned child/family psychologist
--Prayer for Avoiding the Notice of Mighty Cthulhu--
O Mighty Cthulhu,
Destroyer of Worlds,
Betrayer of Hope,
Unstoppable Force of Annihilation,
Please cast your attention
towards someone else.
I really don't care who.
Feel free to eat my neighbor,
my spouse, my dog.
Anyone that isn't me.
Cthulhu fhtagn, Cthulhu fhtagn!
Please go back to fhtagn-ing,
whatever that may be.
So is donating it to his local linux users group. At one point, I got roughly 100 network cards (mostly 3com isa) in among other things I got in trade.
Only having use for about 10 (older machines +a few spares), I gave the rest to the local LUG. They were greatly appriciated because they had several older machinces still in need of parts.
I know the feeling. At a previous job, my boss (the IT manager if you can believe it), required that I *not* automate *anything*.
There were, I think, two reasons -
1) He wanted as many people under him as he could get. He was, after all, a power hungry little pain in the rear (I was there before he was hired, so he had nothing to do with my getting the job)
2) He didn't understand what the heck was going on. He was a paper MCSE who thought he was up on the programming side of things because his wife was a java developer. (I met the woman. I wasn't impressed with her abilities. please note - I actually like java when I can get away with using it)
Needless to say it wasn't my favorite job...
That's the problem with political speech. It's much like techspeak in that it uses the fine distinctions (to most people) between certain words in order to paint things just how the politician in question wishes without being untruthful.
It makes things misleading to a lot of people without being technically false.
Sorry. I've known too many politicians at various levels (local, state, and fed). =]
Not really all that similar at all. In the begining (for the purposes of this post), was (D)ARPAnet, basically accessable only to the mil, gov, and some universities.
Creating a version of that open to the public would be no small feat. It would have required a lot of (largely government, most likely) funding as well as legislation.
In this case Create != Invent. In fact, it means just that: Create an instance of.
Not to mention that It'll come in really handy when playing Duke Nuken Forever =]
Yeah, and it was on again last night. Gotta love Adult Swim =]