"After all, since it's no longer the Christmas season"
Actually, today (December 29) is the fifth day, of a total of twelve days, of Christmas. In the traditional celebration of Christmas, it is Christmas NOW, and will be for a few days yet.
How about if you sell your house to someone, and you get 25 years without parole because the person you sold the house to started growing pot there while the house was still in your name?
" Yeah, It's all over. There's a lot sold around 12th and Main. first man: You're busted."
I don't know if you're being hypothetical here, but there are plenty of people in prison for telling an undercover cop where they might be able to get drugs. A few have gotten "mandatory maximum sentences" and are fairly well known cases.
"dxr3 -- has software CSS. Creative refuses to provide any drivers or documentation for it citing "secret" nature of CSS as the reason."
So all the praise from the free community toward Creative is exaggerated, premature, and misguided.
I'm now even more resolute in my original position -- There is no DVD support for the free community.
Creative understands the issue -- they did the bare minimum to get the publicity they got with the early product -- but they are now playing the same game as the rest. The fact that they are not operating out of cluelessness, yet we *still* lack the resources for free DVD support (EVER?), should not entitle them to any praise from the free community. They're likely to take the side of the plaintiff here.
I was really hoping to encourage one of the many defendants to show up and exercise their right to address the court directly. A large show of support would not hurt their chances of being allowed the right. I wasn't hoping for a Seattle-type of scene, just basic due process of law.
A default judgement is what we're likely to get if none of the named defendants shows up.
And it needs to be stated in open court that there are defendants on the suit who are neither citizens nor corporations in the jurisdiction of the California Republic. That alone should send this case back to square zero. Even a spelling error (or the bogus date!) should be enough for that.
"The Dxr2 by creative labs has a open source project on it working."
Okay, that's good news.
Does the CSS issue have any bearing here?
How does Creative get around the encryption issue with the DVD people? And if it's open, why do we need guerilla tactics like DeCSS? Wouldn't the methods of driving Creative DVD Players apply to other hardware in very similar ways?
I apologize for being ignorant on the issues, but while it's easy to learn about the civil implications, it's not so easy to learn about the tech.
In California, you can have a full hearing on ANYTHING. Please don't encourage a defeatist attitude. Nothing will ever be won with that.
They can file a TRO, certainly. But if the defendents actually show up, they must be heard. If even ONE of them insists on not giving up their right to a hearing, they must be heard.
It does not cost a trillion dollars to do this, contrary to popular belief. And you are mistaken about this item of jurisprudence:
"and the judge compares the size of their wallets"
It probably looks that way. I've gone to court and won before, and it didn't drive me to bankruptcy.
The simple fact that there are defendants named on a California suit who are not subject to California law would be enough to have the TRO suspended, if only it were to be mentioned properly according to the rules of civil procedure.
It is my sincere hope that some wise person, hopefully one of the named defendants, is corresponding with the court on this very subject, and will be prepared on Friday's court date.
"because there was no DVD support for *n?x operating systems"
When I mentioned that, I got flamed by people saying that there was in fact DVD support for Linux. What I have yet to see, however, is "enough" DVD support to justify it being a bullet point for what's supported by the OS. At best, playing a DVD on linux seems to require:
1. Willingness to take a risk in a hardware purchase, for equipment that may not be usable on your OS. 2. Technical savvy enough to run a very experimental system (far beyond the usual requirement for the OS). 3. Willingness to be considered part of a criminal conspiracy by the DVD industry (if this court order goes through and follows to its logical conclusion).
That makes Linux a laughable alternative to Windows9x for the application of playing DVD.
Unless you can give me a cookbook solution (what DVD drive to buy, what software to run it on, works with all titles, totally legal to obtain and use in the USA), don't you dare flame me for saying this. Linux remains an unacceptable solution for the DVD player application.
I cannot be in Santa Clara on that day, but if there are as many activists within reach of this article as one is led to believe, and if they believe so fully in their views, go be heard in the courtroom venue.
If I read on Dec. 29th that the hearing came and went without a standing-room-only courtroom, with all sides of the issue having been clearly heard, I will stop caring about the intellectual property debate.
It's not as if the article was "they applied for AND RECEIVED a restraining order." There is still an opportunity to influence the court. If nothing else, a judge could be made to realize that this matter is not something that should be decided off the cuff, but rather has very significant implications. Simply having a few thousand people on the courthouse steps that day would probably be enough to effect change.
Do I think it will happen? No. Will I be there? No. When the rubber meets the road on these issues, the bottom line is we really don't care. We Email our congress people, but do we snail mail them? Are these issues even worth $.33 to us? Maybe not. History will tell.
Careful how you word this. They're liable to ignore the "tax only the top 1% of the population" while adding the 5% national sales tax on top of your local and state sales taxes. And Congress alone cannot make this happen. There are states that have a state income tax and no or low sales taxes. A change to that status quo requires cooperation of the state legislatures, and these are also the states whose representatives will not even hear your lobbyist's argument for a national sales tax.
"French law is much less fucked up as the US one when it comes to patents and trademarks"
It sounds rather fucked up from here. Search and seizure by armed police is not something that happens in the United States over a civil matter.
Sure we have a messed up court system in which it is often prohibitively expensive and risky to be on either side of a civil suit... but these actions do not involve "police raids" (search and seizure of property) unless a party does something such as refusing to follow an order for discovery, or similar.
I'm surprised there aren't underwater housings for palm pilot. It would make a good dive computer, and there are all kinds of applications in environmental and wildlife research. Hey divers, has any of the camera housing mfgr's made one yet?
Of course, Britain is notoriously strict about broadcast regulation. Isn't that the place where every TV must be licensed, and there are actually spooks who spy on people looking for unlicensed TV's?
Maybe "turning street lights into antennas" is something America would tend to tolerate.
We tolerate the sulfur lamps in the damned things, after all. We'll even tolerate wasting millions of acres of woods for the poles.
Yes, it falls under the category of "getting there." So things are coming; and I do not mean to sound like the one complaining that "We aren't there yet". But my message was sincere -- there have been damn few reports of DVD working under Linux; fewer that would indicate DVD/V4L will ever pass the mom test, and lots of reports of things like patent problems, crypto problems, and general vendor noninterest.
So to me, the biggest news of the piece was that a vendor was going to work on DVD support.
"never heard about the DXR2 drivers on the Creative Opensource site? "
My post was about the lack of mention of this support, and to comment on the perceived general lack of usability for dvd drives. My basis for the statement is on the huge amount of discussion about just how little chance there is of dvd support under linux due to patent problems and vendor ignorance. To my understanding, except for a very few models of DVD drives, those problems are still showstoppers. If that's not true, it should have been headline news sometime in the last 2 months or so.
"Or that Sigma Designs is planning on giving their next Hollywood chip native Linux support?! "
If the future is bright, that's wonderful.
Right now, most linux users will need to reboot to another OS to have a fully supported DVD.
Personally, if you could tell me what model of DVD to buy in order to enjoy full linux support, I'll buy it today. It doesn't matter to/me/ that playing dvd's is more complex than putting the disc in the drive and closing the door, but there's a lot of people out there that we'd like to get started using linux. They're in for quite a shock given the general state of affairs.
That's why I think announcements like winmodem support and dvd support are important and need to be talked up.
Why did no-one comment on the big TLA, the first thing that the article mentioned?
As it is, we have *NO* DVD for linux and *NO* prospects for DVD for linux on *ANYBODY's* hardware. Don't talk to me about the encryption hack/experimental possibilities.
What about the fact that this is the first, and only, time a vendor has said there could possibly be DVD support for linux?
It's true that "no" is one of the words for "no", and that "va" is one of the words for "go", but, get this, the Chevy Nova sold very, very well in Mexico.
Please see http://www.snopes.com/errata/nova.htm for a very thorough treatment of this nonsense.
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Demand a retraction.
"After all, since it's no longer the Christmas season"
Actually, today (December 29) is the fifth day,
of a total of twelve days, of Christmas. In the traditional celebration of Christmas, it is Christmas NOW, and will be for a few days yet.
Is that the only news we're going to get?
What else happened? Did we lose?
Did I miss a post somewhere 500 messages ago?
How about if you sell your house to someone, and
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you get 25 years without parole because the person you sold the house to started growing pot there while the house was still in your name?
http://www.famm.org/victims/victimsnew.html/EWE
How about this story:
http://www.famm.org/white.htm
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Yeah, It's all over. There's a lot sold around 12th and Main.
first man:
You're busted."
I don't know if you're being hypothetical here, but there are plenty of people in prison for telling an undercover cop where they might be able to get drugs. A few have gotten "mandatory maximum sentences" and are fairly well known cases.
I read the article and it seemed not to say that he got paid back yet, nor did it say that the amount he got paid back was only $35.
The guy says he'll frame the check "unless it's a huge amount."
Why would he say that? My guess is, he's not going to see a dime. What's he going to do? Sue Microsoft?
"But even imagining an Intel based machine in the hands of an Army programmer
who needs to fix code or people die, really scares me."
Change that to "...needs to fix code or people DON'T die..." considering the business the client is in. Does that scare you less?
"dxr3 -- has software CSS. Creative refuses to provide any
drivers or documentation for it citing "secret" nature of CSS as the reason."
So all the praise from the free community toward Creative is exaggerated, premature, and misguided.
I'm now even more resolute in my original position -- There is no DVD support for the free community.
Creative understands the issue -- they did the bare minimum to get the publicity they got with the early product -- but they are now playing the same game as the rest. The fact that they are not operating out of cluelessness, yet we *still* lack the resources for free DVD support (EVER?), should not entitle them to any praise from the free community. They're likely to take the side of the plaintiff here.
I was really hoping to encourage one of the many defendants to show up and exercise their right to
address the court directly. A large show of support would not hurt their chances of being allowed the right. I wasn't hoping for a Seattle-type of scene, just basic due process of law.
A default judgement is what we're likely to get if none of the named defendants shows up.
And it needs to be stated in open court that there are defendants on the suit who are neither citizens nor corporations in the jurisdiction of the California Republic. That alone should send this case back to square zero. Even a spelling error (or the bogus date!) should be enough for that.
"The Dxr2 by creative labs has a open source project on it working."
Okay, that's good news.
Does the CSS issue have any bearing here?
How does Creative get around the encryption issue with the DVD people? And if it's open, why do we need guerilla tactics like DeCSS? Wouldn't the methods of driving Creative DVD Players apply to other hardware in very similar ways?
I apologize for being ignorant on the issues, but while it's easy to learn about the civil implications, it's not so easy to learn about the tech.
In California, you can have a full hearing on ANYTHING. Please don't encourage a defeatist attitude. Nothing will ever be won with that.
They can file a TRO, certainly. But if the defendents actually show up, they must be heard. If even ONE of them insists on not giving up their right to a hearing, they must be heard.
It does not cost a trillion dollars to do this, contrary to popular belief. And you are mistaken about this item of jurisprudence:
"and the judge compares the size of their wallets"
It probably looks that way. I've gone to court and won before, and it didn't drive me to bankruptcy.
The simple fact that there are defendants named on a California suit who are not subject to California law would be enough to have the TRO suspended, if only it were to be mentioned properly according to the rules of civil procedure.
It is my sincere hope that some wise person, hopefully one of the named defendants, is corresponding with the court on this very subject, and will be prepared on Friday's court date.
It's a Court... For everybody's sake, maybe :-)
you should make that a Slashdot "Tie"...
We want freedom, not to get the defendents hanged
"because there was no
DVD support for *n?x operating systems"
When I mentioned that, I got flamed by people saying that there was in fact DVD support for Linux. What I have yet to see, however, is "enough" DVD support to justify it being a bullet point for what's supported by the OS. At best,
playing a DVD on linux seems to require:
1. Willingness to take a risk in a hardware purchase, for equipment that may not be usable on your OS.
2. Technical savvy enough to run a very experimental system (far beyond the usual requirement for the OS).
3. Willingness to be considered part of a criminal conspiracy by the DVD industry (if this court order goes through and follows to its logical conclusion).
That makes Linux a laughable alternative to Windows9x for the application of playing DVD.
Unless you can give me a cookbook solution (what DVD drive to buy, what software to run it on, works with all titles, totally legal to obtain and use in the USA), don't you dare flame me for saying this. Linux remains an unacceptable solution for the DVD player application.
I cannot be in Santa Clara on that day, but if there are as many activists within reach of this article as one is led to believe, and if they believe so fully in their views, go be heard in the courtroom venue.
If I read on Dec. 29th that the hearing came and went without a standing-room-only courtroom, with all sides of the issue having been clearly heard, I will stop caring about the intellectual property debate.
It's not as if the article was "they applied for AND RECEIVED a restraining order." There is still an opportunity to influence the court. If nothing else, a judge could be made to realize that this matter is not something that should be decided off the cuff, but rather has very significant implications. Simply having a few thousand people on the courthouse steps that day would probably be enough to effect change.
Do I think it will happen? No. Will I be there? No. When the rubber meets the road on these issues, the bottom line is we really don't care. We Email our congress people, but do we snail mail them? Are these issues even worth $.33 to us? Maybe not. History will tell.
"Maybe something like a self-configuring intelligent menu could be useful to all of us. "
You just identified the sort of thing that I expected from Windows 9x, and the main reason I
was disappointed to see the UI as "nothing new".
To be new, it must do more than look different and rearrange the same concepts; that is merely "postmodern", not new.
Careful how you word this. They're liable to ignore the "tax only the top 1% of the population"
while adding the 5% national sales tax on top of
your local and state sales taxes. And Congress
alone cannot make this happen. There are states
that have a state income tax and no or low sales taxes. A change to that status quo requires cooperation of the state legislatures, and these are also the states whose representatives will not even hear your lobbyist's argument for a national sales tax.
"French law is much less fucked up as the US
one when it comes to patents and trademarks"
It sounds rather fucked up from here. Search and
seizure by armed police is not something that happens in the United States over a civil matter.
Sure we have a messed up court system in which it is often prohibitively expensive and risky to be on either side of a civil suit... but these actions do not involve "police raids" (search and seizure of property) unless a party does something such as refusing to follow an order for discovery, or similar.
I'm surprised there aren't underwater housings for
palm pilot. It would make a good dive computer,
and there are all kinds of applications in environmental and wildlife research. Hey divers,
has any of the camera housing mfgr's made one yet?
Of course, Britain is notoriously strict about
broadcast regulation. Isn't that the place where
every TV must be licensed, and there are actually
spooks who spy on people looking for unlicensed
TV's?
Maybe "turning street lights into antennas" is
something America would tend to tolerate.
We tolerate the sulfur lamps in the damned things,
after all. We'll even tolerate wasting millions of acres of woods for the poles.
Ever heard of Nist/Livid ?
Yes, it falls under the category of "getting there." So things are coming; and I do not mean to sound like the one complaining that "We aren't there yet". But my message was sincere -- there
have been damn few reports of DVD working under
Linux; fewer that would indicate DVD/V4L will ever
pass the mom test, and lots of reports of things
like patent problems, crypto problems, and general
vendor noninterest.
So to me, the biggest news of the piece was that a vendor was going to work on DVD support.
"never heard about the DXR2 drivers on the Creative Opensource site? "
My post was about the lack of mention of this support, and to comment on the perceived general lack of usability for dvd
drives. My basis for the statement is on the huge amount of discussion about just how little chance there is of dvd support under linux due to patent problems and vendor ignorance. To my understanding, except for a very
few models of DVD drives, those problems are still
showstoppers. If that's not true, it should have been headline news sometime in the last 2 months or so.
"Or that Sigma Designs is planning
on giving their next Hollywood chip native Linux support?! "
If the future is bright, that's wonderful.
Right now, most linux users will need to reboot to
another OS to have a fully supported DVD.
Personally, if you could tell me what model of
DVD to buy in order to enjoy full linux support, I'll buy it today. It doesn't matter to
that playing dvd's is more complex than putting
the disc in the drive and closing the door, but
there's a lot of people out there that we'd like
to get started using linux. They're in for quite
a shock given the general state of affairs.
That's why I think announcements like winmodem support and dvd support are important and need
to be talked up.
The point is that you are the one making that decision. No law enforcement authority has decided for you whether you can make an anonymous remailer.
Why did no-one comment on the big TLA, the first
thing that the article mentioned?
As it is, we have *NO* DVD for linux and *NO*
prospects for DVD for linux on *ANYBODY's* hardware. Don't talk to me about the encryption hack/experimental possibilities.
What about the fact that this is the first, and
only, time a vendor has said there could possibly
be DVD support for linux?
I think the true meaning of VAIO is 'Video Audio Input Output"
It would seem slightly more standard to say
AVIO for that though.
It's true that "no" is one of the words for "no",
and that "va" is one of the words for "go", but,
get this, the Chevy Nova sold very, very well in Mexico.
Please see
http://www.snopes.com/errata/nova.htm
for a very thorough treatment of this nonsense.
Do they have uncensored news reports?
How about full frontal nudity on broadcast?
I can't think of anything else that would be
worthwhile to watch.