Historically, Apple is notorious for being a very 'closed' architecture company.
Some of that changed, after they proved completely incapable of producing a robust 'next generation MacOS' and were forced to buy one in from NeXT that just happened to borrow heavily from the UNIX culture of openness. It didn't change out of the goodness of Apple's culture as a company, though. It changed because they were about to throw in the towel.
I've run Darwin on a Beige G3, and on a Pentium box. That's the extent of Apple's 'openness' and it's pretty lame.
Excel wasn't even the first successful spreadsheet.
Nor was Lotus 123, of course.
If Visicalc hadn't existed, and if it hadn't been available ONLY on the Apple 2 for it's first year of existence, Apple might not even exist as a company at this point.
'Insanely Great' is to Apple as 'It's the Real Thing' is to Coke.
They want to find out who it was, and think that some of these rumor sites might have info useful for tracking the guy down.
It might be enough just to stomp all over within the organization of the 'Rumor' sites. Intimidation is a powerful tool for big-bad companies. Apple is big and they've crushed competitors with legal muscle going all the way back to the Apple II clones, in ways few other businesses have.
In many cases, negotiation and settlement is the goal of these lawsuits.
In a non-GPL project, the early code would have been copyrighted under a restrictive license, and there would be no "prisoners".
That's a fairly reckless assumption. There is tons and tons of disclosed source code that isn't under the GPL, and it's reusability varies wildly. There's all that freely reusable BSD code, for instance...
No doubt Linux has it's uses. I've been using it since 1993 in various capacities. Even went all-Linux for about a year once. Right now, though, my last Slackware box is about to loose it's spot on the KVM switch. I'll still keep the machine, but it'll be conneted to the world through the ethernet jack alone. NetBSD baybee. 2.0 rox.
Different shaped bitmaps for onscreen widgets don't really count as "bloat", but whatever.
Any time you have to 'strip something back' to make it look like the 'lighter' interface from before, there's corpulent fat hanging out there on the hard drive, taking space.
And, not sucking down the 'optional' components that Microsoft shills at Windows Update doesn't make your machine '2 years out of date.' I also own a legal copy of the first release of Office 2000, the one that doesn't require 'product activiation.' I guess I'm 'years out of date' there, too.
I have a 486 laptop with Windows 95 on it. It does a nice snappy job, running Office 2000 (well, not snappy, but it runs well enough to use Word and Excel without any severe lag). I tried running OpenOffice on it once. Ulp!
This is the first instance thus far of something that it looks like I won't be able to run on Windows 2000. I fell off the 'upgrade boat' at W2K and have had no intention of downgrading to 'phone home' Windows XP with it's playschool UI bloat.
Is there a way to load the.NET framework/libraries so this can run on W2K or is this the 'knee' of the slope down the hill to obsolescence for W2K?
Imagine a world where if you didn't legally work for Apple, you couldn't write a program for their computer.
It really wasn't that long ago that you had to request an extension from Apple to get a 'legitimate' Mac application up and running. Sure, they were developer friendly, but you didn't want them not liking you at Cupertino.
I worked at a company that had a small skunkworks developing a medical diagnostic device. That team applied and became registered Apple Developers. Their status later expired, but it was a small closed project so it didn't really matter.
You couldn't just go out and buy Turbo C and sling code for the Mac at that time.
Huh? A functional but older Logic Analyzer is one of the cheap parts. I paid $200 for my HP 1630G, which is a 100MHz 80-bit analyzer, and it was a lowball price, but not an unspeakably lowball price. And you can do a hell of a lot with a 100 MHz state timing analyzer.
True, but what you say clearly shows that 'chip designer' has become a cheapened title. It's not like the old days when a chip-god like Jim Williams was desiging op-amps for National Semiconductor anymore.
It's 'Visual Basic for Silicon' these days. Which isn't a bad thing, necessarily.
You mean you've never replaced the 'ALPS tact switch' pushbuttons in a favorite mouse before? You've never pulled the electronics out of something and put it in a better housing, with improved controlls??
This is Slashdot, in case you thought you'd wandered onto a gamer's site.
Actually, with H-P not directly involved with Itanium development, it becomes a more 'open' architecture for other hardware vendors to adopt. It's something they can buy from Intel now without worrying because one of their competitors is involved in it's development.
They will continue to purchase them from Intel and design them into their servers.
The whole frenzy here on Slashdot borders on ignorance regarding a lot of this. It's like Slashdot is inhabited by a bunch of teenagers wearing AMD t-shirts.
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Historically, Apple is notorious for being a very 'closed' architecture company.
Some of that changed, after they proved completely incapable of producing a robust 'next generation MacOS' and were forced to buy one in from NeXT that just happened to borrow heavily from the UNIX culture of openness. It didn't change out of the goodness of Apple's culture as a company, though. It changed because they were about to throw in the towel.
I've run Darwin on a Beige G3, and on a Pentium box. That's the extent of Apple's 'openness' and it's pretty lame.
So you've been bought and owned. And damned if you'll abide by anybody else not being bought and owned.
Hmmm.
Excel wasn't even the first successful spreadsheet.
Nor was Lotus 123, of course.
If Visicalc hadn't existed, and if it hadn't been available ONLY on the Apple 2 for it's first year of existence, Apple might not even exist as a company at this point.
'Insanely Great' is to Apple as 'It's the Real Thing' is to Coke.
They want to find out who it was, and think that some of these rumor sites might have info useful for tracking the guy down.
It might be enough just to stomp all over within the organization of the 'Rumor' sites. Intimidation is a powerful tool for big-bad companies. Apple is big and they've crushed competitors with legal muscle going all the way back to the Apple II clones, in ways few other businesses have.
In many cases, negotiation and settlement is the goal of these lawsuits.
Or censorship and intimidation.
And lord knows, without NDA's, Patents, Copyrights, and big phalanxes of lawyers to protect it all, Western Civilization would cease to be.
Or would the suits just not be able to 'hire' innovation any longer?
It's an important question, and it gets discussed here on Slashdot pretty often.
Ultimately, these are nits compared to the sheer buzz of the iPod.
buzz=marketing
Helluvalotta iPod astroturfers out there, too, bucko.
In a non-GPL project, the early code would have been copyrighted under a restrictive license, and there would be no "prisoners".
That's a fairly reckless assumption. There is tons and tons of disclosed source code that isn't under the GPL, and it's reusability varies wildly. There's all that freely reusable BSD code, for instance...
Try here as a starting point.
Enjoy!
Whoah! Something interesting actually has come out of all this??!!??
No doubt Linux has it's uses. I've been using it since 1993 in various capacities. Even went all-Linux for about a year once. Right now, though, my last Slackware box is about to loose it's spot on the KVM switch. I'll still keep the machine, but it'll be conneted to the world through the ethernet jack alone. NetBSD baybee. 2.0 rox.
Different shaped bitmaps for onscreen widgets don't really count as "bloat", but whatever.
Any time you have to 'strip something back' to make it look like the 'lighter' interface from before, there's corpulent fat hanging out there on the hard drive, taking space.
And, not sucking down the 'optional' components that Microsoft shills at Windows Update doesn't make your machine '2 years out of date.' I also own a legal copy of the first release of Office 2000, the one that doesn't require 'product activiation.' I guess I'm 'years out of date' there, too.
Well, Open Source is a (closed) trademark.
I've always sort of found the irony in that amusing.
You're right.
I have a 486 laptop with Windows 95 on it. It does a nice snappy job, running Office 2000 (well, not snappy, but it runs well enough to use Word and Excel without any severe lag). I tried running OpenOffice on it once. Ulp!
Yes, but warez-kid-in-basement isn't the Photoshop market.
This thing looks like people can install it on their computer at work and not get in trouble.
This is the first instance thus far of something that it looks like I won't be able to run on Windows 2000. I fell off the 'upgrade boat' at W2K and have had no intention of downgrading to 'phone home' Windows XP with it's playschool UI bloat.
.NET framework/libraries so this can run on W2K or is this the 'knee' of the slope down the hill to obsolescence for W2K?
Is there a way to load the
Yeah. It's kind of like lame-ass xpaint that comes with X11 in that regard. Uh, but no minesweeper bundled with X11.
Photoshop costs a big pile of money.
Imagine a world where if you didn't legally work for Apple, you couldn't write a program for their computer.
It really wasn't that long ago that you had to request an extension from Apple to get a 'legitimate' Mac application up and running. Sure, they were developer friendly, but you didn't want them not liking you at Cupertino.
I worked at a company that had a small skunkworks developing a medical diagnostic device. That team applied and became registered Apple Developers. Their status later expired, but it was a small closed project so it didn't really matter.
You couldn't just go out and buy Turbo C and sling code for the Mac at that time.
The GM will throw you and your friends out of the store. Or were you buying all this stuff after pestering the sales help about it?
Huh? A functional but older Logic Analyzer is one of the cheap parts. I paid $200 for my HP 1630G, which is a 100MHz 80-bit analyzer, and it was a lowball price, but not an unspeakably lowball price. And you can do a hell of a lot with a 100 MHz state timing analyzer.
True, but what you say clearly shows that 'chip designer' has become a cheapened title. It's not like the old days when a chip-god like Jim Williams was desiging op-amps for National Semiconductor anymore.
It's 'Visual Basic for Silicon' these days. Which isn't a bad thing, necessarily.
The RAM chips have obviously been destroyed by ESD, having been shoved into that styrofoam head.
Us who are into vintage hardware find that kinda disturbing, actually.
You mean you've never replaced the 'ALPS tact switch' pushbuttons in a favorite mouse before? You've never pulled the electronics out of something and put it in a better housing, with improved controlls??
This is Slashdot, in case you thought you'd wandered onto a gamer's site.
Actually, with H-P not directly involved with Itanium development, it becomes a more 'open' architecture for other hardware vendors to adopt. It's something they can buy from Intel now without worrying because one of their competitors is involved in it's development.
HP will cease to co-develop the Itanium.
They will continue to purchase them from Intel and design them into their servers.
The whole frenzy here on Slashdot borders on ignorance regarding a lot of this. It's like Slashdot is inhabited by a bunch of teenagers wearing AMD t-shirts.
I wonder if HP is going to revive PA/RISC development and perhaps a dual core version like Sun and IBM's?
HP is going to continue purchasing Itanium processors from Intel. They will cease co-developing with Intel.
And it isn't 'just' because of 'failure.' HP has decided to not develop processors.
But spin it as a 'failure' of Itanium if you get your kicks that way.