Micrografx In*A*Vision, the predecessor of Micrografx Designer, was one of the first 'real' Windows apps. It came bundled with a Windows 1.03 Runtime install, since there really weren't any customers out there expected to be running Windows to install it on.
It was/is a fairly nice vector-based drawing package. (nice, for it's time, and for it's hardware platform at the time) I had a lot of fun with it back in the day on my 8088 system with Hercules-compatible graphics and an amberscreen monitor.
I thought Pagemaker was a Mac thing back then, and I'm fairly certain it was never ported to Windows 1.
And may I remind you that Linux is still the only desktop OS to have 64-bit support:)
That's a hell of a reach. There are other OSes that people run happily on the desktop that have good 64 bit support. Linux is frankly a latecomer to 64 bits, when compared to what a lot of people were running on 64 bit boxes on their desktop as long as half a decade ago. SGI and Sun have made plenty of desktop-oriented hardware in that past that ran 64 bits.
Or maybe you only meant the low-budget 'crummy PeeCee desktop' market segment.
Anyways, it's weasel-words to make a 'desktop' distinction, since the Linux 'install base' withers away to a tiny minority of the hardware out there when only desktop-Linux is counted.
If there is an infringement, let the patent holder notify the kernel developers about what the patent is and which regions of code are infringing. The ODSL should then get a lawyer to talk with the developers, look over the patent and the code in question, and see if the patent holder's claim makes sense.
Well, back in the early days here in Alexandria VA, Jones Intercable offered symmetric cable modems, without a single bandwidth-related hickup that I ever experienced . . . . When Jones went belly-up
Right now I'm only running NetBSD, and it's not in the pkgsrc tree. I can find the source tarball, but haven't gotten it to build. The original homepage calls it a Unix program and lists all kinds of Unices that it should work on.
More work is clearly needed on my part.
Hope my mention of the game gets a few dozen people to check it out, because it is a cool game.
Well, you can always keep the computer and TV that you already have.
There are bound to be enough people like yourself determined to not 'buy in' to the new technology. Unless they outright ban your legacy hardware, you should find yourself in the company of others who think like you and will continue at least a subculture.
The idea that people will go computerless because of this is ludicrous. I already have multiple computers, including machines that run 'unclean' Microsoft software and 'clean' OSS. Why wouldn't that continue?
The one unique and compelling game that I've ever played on Linux was 'Koules' which was a two-D 'push piece around in frame' game with great sound effects and addictive gameplay.
Does anybody else remember playing Koules? I have tried bringing the old source tarball for it 'forward' into a modern Linux distro, and it just won't build anymore. It might even be time to take a spare machine and roll out an old Slackware, something like Slack 3.4 (with a 1.2.13 kernel) just to play that game. I remember it playing great back when all I had was a Pentium 75 box with a SoundBlaster 16.
Does anybody else remember Koules? Has anybody built it successfully to run on a current Linux?
I guess it would be like running a windows app on linux and having the whole thing feel like a windows app. Sure, it runs and it is better than nothing, but compared to a true linux app it is awful.
It must be a truly weird alternative universe that you're dwelling in.
In terms of Install Base, it would be suspicious to call X their 'basic graphical platform,' since I just installed and am using OpenOffice 1.1.4 on a Windows 2000 system. I didn't have to bring up eXceed to use it. ..
In terms of X11, I guess Windows is a 'nichey port' but one with a lot bigger base than the Macintosh 'nichey port' would have.
Likely he avoids the kind of sealed-unit devices that don't have replacable batteries on principle. I know I do. It means I got a Visor Platinum back in the day, instead of the fancy Color Visor that had to be charged on it's base. It's nice to be able to walk into any convenience store and pick up a set of batteries.
Well, my point is that context was slowly leaking out of the discussion thread, and it was turning into the general purpose 'BSD is baaaad because Microsoft can use it' rant.
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When Bill Gates last hacked assembler, it was 8085 assembler. He wrote the word processor for the TRS-80 Model 100.
If he knew you, he'd want to buy happiness?
Micrografx In*A*Vision, the predecessor of Micrografx Designer, was one of the first 'real' Windows apps. It came bundled with a Windows 1.03 Runtime install, since there really weren't any customers out there expected to be running Windows to install it on.
It was/is a fairly nice vector-based drawing package. (nice, for it's time, and for it's hardware platform at the time) I had a lot of fun with it back in the day on my 8088 system with Hercules-compatible graphics and an amberscreen monitor.
I thought Pagemaker was a Mac thing back then, and I'm fairly certain it was never ported to Windows 1.
And may I remind you that Linux is still the only desktop OS to have 64-bit support :)
That's a hell of a reach. There are other OSes that people run happily on the desktop that have good 64 bit support. Linux is frankly a latecomer to 64 bits, when compared to what a lot of people were running on 64 bit boxes on their desktop as long as half a decade ago. SGI and Sun have made plenty of desktop-oriented hardware in that past that ran 64 bits.
Or maybe you only meant the low-budget 'crummy PeeCee desktop' market segment.
Anyways, it's weasel-words to make a 'desktop' distinction, since the Linux 'install base' withers away to a tiny minority of the hardware out there when only desktop-Linux is counted.
If there is an infringement, let the patent holder notify the kernel developers about what the patent is and which regions of code are infringing. The ODSL should then get a lawyer to talk with the developers, look over the patent and the code in question, and see if the patent holder's claim makes sense.
Do the kernel developers have a legal department?
I suspect not.
Hmmm....
Do said countries produce any mass-culture content that anybody in particular wants to listen to or view?
Perhaps it's time for the US to begin producing highly corrosive pornographic and violent entertainment content, solely for export to said countries.
Right now I'm only running NetBSD, and it's not in the pkgsrc tree. I can find the source tarball, but haven't gotten it to build. The original homepage calls it a Unix program and lists all kinds of Unices that it should work on.
More work is clearly needed on my part.
Hope my mention of the game gets a few dozen people to check it out, because it is a cool game.
What happens?
A marketing guy cries.
(there are consequences, in some circumstances. not as many as are hyped, of course)
Well, you can always keep the computer and TV that you already have.
There are bound to be enough people like yourself determined to not 'buy in' to the new technology. Unless they outright ban your legacy hardware, you should find yourself in the company of others who think like you and will continue at least a subculture.
The idea that people will go computerless because of this is ludicrous. I already have multiple computers, including machines that run 'unclean' Microsoft software and 'clean' OSS. Why wouldn't that continue?
The one unique and compelling game that I've ever played on Linux was 'Koules' which was a two-D 'push piece around in frame' game with great sound effects and addictive gameplay.
Does anybody else remember playing Koules? I have tried bringing the old source tarball for it 'forward' into a modern Linux distro, and it just won't build anymore. It might even be time to take a spare machine and roll out an old Slackware, something like Slack 3.4 (with a 1.2.13 kernel) just to play that game. I remember it playing great back when all I had was a Pentium 75 box with a SoundBlaster 16.
Does anybody else remember Koules? Has anybody built it successfully to run on a current Linux?
You're just waiting for somebody with a hundred million dollars to spend rolling out a whole new cross-platform API to 'get it'??
Millions of people run Windows on their computers.
Popular demand is NOT a measure of quality.
I saw the first Star Wars, in the theatre, in 1977. I haven't wanted to spoil it by going to any of the other crap.
Apple isn't a UNIX vendor. They're not even licensed to call their patch-together OS a UNIX.
How expensive is Apple's PowerPC?
I bought a whole skid of PowerPC Macintoshes (beige case) at auction last summer for a dollar.
I guess everybody's just too busy constantly recompiling their Linux packages from source to mess with an OS X port.
Why would Linux users care one iota about an OS they don't use??? Do you contribute time and effort into Linux projects?
Anyone other than me remember when StarOffice's target operating system was IBM's OS/2?
So you're saying MacOS X has a similar future ahead?
I guess it would be like running a windows app on linux and having the whole thing feel like a windows app. Sure, it runs and it is better than nothing, but compared to a true linux app it is awful.
It must be a truly weird alternative universe that you're dwelling in.
On the contrary, society as a whole should compensate plane manufacturers for chopping up people who walk into spinning propellers.
For simple social darwinian reasons, it's a good thing.
In terms of Install Base, it would be suspicious to call X their 'basic graphical platform,' since I just installed and am using OpenOffice 1.1.4 on a Windows 2000 system. I didn't have to bring up eXceed to use it. . .
In terms of X11, I guess Windows is a 'nichey port' but one with a lot bigger base than the Macintosh 'nichey port' would have.
Well, they described building a Next Generation Object Oriented Operating System for years, even spent many millions of dollars on it.
Before they gave up and just used NeXT's OS, of course.
Likely he avoids the kind of sealed-unit devices that don't have replacable batteries on principle. I know I do. It means I got a Visor Platinum back in the day, instead of the fancy Color Visor that had to be charged on it's base. It's nice to be able to walk into any convenience store and pick up a set of batteries.
Well, my point is that context was slowly leaking out of the discussion thread, and it was turning into the general purpose 'BSD is baaaad because Microsoft can use it' rant.
They left a smaller company where they didn't have control to form a smaller company where they would.
Which is fine, so far as it goes, etc.
Best of luck to them. When they enter middle age they'll not want their 'window office' to be a seat at a coffee bar. Believe me.