as long as it's not starbucks
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lordkuri
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for the price of their "coffee", you could get a 1000sq ft spot in the downtown district cheaper I'd guess. Internet would likely be better too.
Re:as long as it's not starbucks
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nametaken
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Yeah, and everything is fine until you need to start shipping things UPS from work.
Re:as long as it's not starbucks
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konekoniku
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Actually, I remember reading somewhere that Starbucks is priced cheaper (by a few cents) than its direct competitors. It's more that the entire gourmet (or not, depending on your point of view)-coffee-shop-industry is overpriced.
Re:as long as it's not starbucks
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Marvelicious
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These guys are right up there with people who bring tinfoil to an all-you-can-eat buffet!
-- Send whiskey and fresh horses!
Re:as long as it's not starbucks
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Anonymous Coward
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In my town, I am Starbucks direct competitor (as in the majority of the Sunday business they do is in the time period from when they open to fifteen minutes before I do), and while other parts of the country may have coffee priced excessively high (especially in light of low prices on the C market for the past couple years), from my perspective Starbucks is charging an awful lot for a product that is nowhere near as good as it could be (my average cost of green coffee is about three times what Starbucks says they pay, though in many cases they have more lossage from over-roasting). For a concrete example, a small chai at Starbucks costs more than a large chai at my establishment. Unadulterated coffee is likewise more expensive. Starbucks competitors charging Starbucks prices (or higher) are probably doing so only because they can.
but Dr. Evil runs starbucks! He's just giving his fellow mac users a helping... hand?
-- 0xC3
Re:as long as it's not starbucks
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spectre_240sx
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I'm willing to pay the prices when the coffee is worth it. I just can't understand paying the prices starbucks charges for burnt beans.
Re:as long as it's not starbucks
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Anonymous Coward
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Yeah, so, not so much.
At least in Seattle, Starbucks is priced at least $.20 per higher than almost all of the small "gourmet coffee shops."
I personally would say that Starbucks isn't even remotely in the same league as a place like zoka http://www.zokacoffee.com/, where the delicious monster guys work, but starbucks is definitely more expensive than zoka.
Also fascinating:
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Anonymous Coward
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Their website is run on a Motorola 68000 chip embedded in a biscotti. Try not to spill, fellas!
Delicious Library
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sg3000
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> it generated $250,000 worth of sales in its first month
Wow, I must have contributed to some of that.
Delicious Library is cool, if a little bit slow. But it's still new, so that's not surprising. The attention to detail is really amazing. When you add artwork to a catalog item, the application adds a screen to the item image to make it look like it's in a DVD case, or the cover of a book. If you say it's a hard cover or soft cover book, the size of the book changes, too. I wrote a nearly pointless review of it for Gadget Madness.
Scanning in your books, DVDs, games, or whatever into the system is actually a kind of fun. It's one of those Mac OS X applications that when you show someone who doesn't have a Mac, they get that comically jealous look on their face.
-- Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
Re:Delicious Library
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Anonymous Coward
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Holy crap, if you're not astroturfing for these guys, I'm the queen of England...
How does it compare to tellico ? I have been using this on my Linux box for sometime now and find it extremely useful for cataloging my books and movies. Tellico also offers integration with Amazon (for books) and IMDB (for movies), and best of all, its FREE! (Not sure whether it costs to get Delicious Monster, not a Mac owner)
Re:Delicious Library
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Anonymous Coward
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the comical part of the look is when they realize you burnt your nuts with your powerbook
the jealous part is that your wallet is so much lighter than theirs
Re:Delicious Library
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sg3000
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> Holy crap, if you're not astroturfing for these guys, I'm the > queen of England...
Greetings, your majesty!
I don't know these guys, and I've never seen them in a coffee shop. I don't work in the software industry.
I paid full price for the software application over Christmas (to try to find some additional use for my iSight). So, no astroturfing here.
I mean, no astroturfing, your grace.
-- Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
I haven't tried Tellico, but Delicious LIbrary looks to have a nicer interface. However, I was a little annoyed with all the ties to Amazon that Delicious Library has. Tellico seems to better about spreading the integration around (Amazon for books, IMDB for movies).
And at $40, I thought Delicious Library was a little steep. However, the article implies that they have sold a decent amount of copies (around 6,000 per month-- at least for the first month), which is more than I would have expected. So maybe the price isn't too bad.
-- Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
Re:Delicious Library
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Anonymous Coward
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Sure thing, Roland Piquepaille.
Re:Delicious Library
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Anonymous Coward
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It is not open-source crap, meaning it 1. does not look like complete shit assembled by a three-year old and 2. it actually works.
Re:Delicious Library
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Anonymous Coward
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Does it also do books and CDs?
Re:Delicious Library
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tdemark
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Tellico seems to better about spreading the integration around (Amazon for books, IMDB for movies).
Don't mean to burst your bubble, but, next time you are in IMDB, scroll to the very bottom of the page and read what it says.
- Tony
Re:Delicious Library
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moggie_xev
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Add me to the list of happy customers, the bar code scanning works very well I use a standard sony fireware dv camera. I put it on a tripod about 6 inch's away from a wall to get the scanning distance right.
As I am from the UK it used to only work for my books but I note version 1.1 can talk to amazon.co.uk. When I tried a random DVD it now works.
So another happy customer who paid full price. I was put on to it at work by a fell sysadmin who had just bought it.
Re:Delicious Library
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ssstraub
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It is not open-source crap, meaning it 1. does not look like complete shit assembled by a three-year old and 2. it actually works.
Heh. That FireFox browser really sucks!
Re:Delicious Library
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Anonymous Coward
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You don't have to know them to astroturf for them. You just have to spew bullshit under the guise as "opinions from the common man"
Re:Delicious Library
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Squozen
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I haven't used DVD Profiler, but it certainly doesn't look as fun to use from the screenshots on their website.
I don't see any way that DVD Profiler can track your books, CD and games either, or use a webcam to scan product codes, or any mention of being able to find others with similar tastes (coming in the next release of Delicious Library).
On the positive side, DVD Profiler is cheaper. Grats to you.
You must not have scanned many books, dvds, and cds in yet. The current version is a little faster, but with thousands of books in mine, it takes just long enough to start up that I think it has crashed. The random pauses while it collects its thoughts when I use the scroll bar are a joy, too.
Re:Delicious Library
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Anonymous Coward
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You're wrong. Astroturfing is "fake grass" roots support. This guy is actual grass roots support. That's not what astroturfing is.
You'd think with that amount of money they could hire a web designer to give them an "alternative" HTML-based site in addition to their flash site.
You might think so, but these are some visually oriented guys. That's their thing. They like shiny sparkly things that make cool sounds. Apparently, it hasn't gotten in the way of generating income:-)
Re:Delicious Library
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Anonymous Coward
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Well, since slashdot likes to redefine words such as piracy, astroturfing now includes doing PR like shilling about a company.
Re:Delicious Library
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Anonymous Coward
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If you're browsing with Lynx, I don't see how you'd have a lot of use for their product, which is a neat combination of glitzy, visually oriented features.
If you dislike Flash enough to not have it working on your computer, you're a pretty unlikely customer for what they're selling.
If you dislike Flash enough to not have it working on your computer, you're a pretty unlikely customer for what they're selling.
It isn't so much that I dislike flash (though I do). I just hate it when people create websites like that and don't provide an alternative. Frankly, the flash site should be the alternative.
There's no real reason why they couldn't have done most of the stuff they've done with flash in HTML. All they need is a site to provide the same information in the same manner, but with HTML instead of huge flash files. The site takes a while to load on my DSL, so what is the guy surfing on dialup going to experience?
It's just...well, it's just good manners. Whatever their reasons, people who don't like flash shouldn't have to feel neglected.
Library is a very nice application. I've got the demo on my system right now. I don't care for the "bookshelf" view, because it's not really very easy to use. It just seems...I don't know...silly, somehow, like when Apple made the quicktime volume control a dial. Applying an analogue interface in that manner... it's not especially intuitive. Thankfully they provided an alternate browsing view.
Yeah, that one example completely destroyed his point. Let's try this debate tactic with more examples:
"... typical crappy Hollywood sequal..." "... yeah, Star Trek II really sucks!"
"... about as stable as a Microsoft app..." "... Yeah, Windows 2000 is really unstable!"
"... occurs just about as often as a Slashdot article..."
"... Yeah, that one story they posted in August of 02 that wasn't duped..." (eh I couldn't finish that, you get my point.)
-- "Derp de derp."
Re:Delicious Library
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Anonymous Coward
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I'd be interested in hearing your second example... For each good one you can name, I'll name shit that looks like it was assembled by a three year old.
I guess its my turn: The Gimp
Now you?
Re:Delicious Library
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Anonymous Coward
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Dude. For each crappy open source app, I can name an even crappier closed one.
microsoft paint (or whatever it is called)
Re:Delicious Library
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garethwi
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That would be 'your majesty', not 'your grace'.
'Your grace', is reserved for higher levels of religion, like witches.
Of course, if you are quite friendly with the Queen, you may call her 'your maj'.
I am using DVD Profiler, it works okay but indeed it only works with standard DVDs (no books, no games, no CDs) and it doesn't allow you to use a standard Webcam to input bar codes. And I don't have nor want a barcode scanner but I do have several webcams.
The problem with DVD Profiler are missing profiles, and even worse, wrong profiles e.g. your barcode resolves to a match which is totally unrelated. Also since the system relies on individual contributors your DVD profiles may change over time (unless locked) sometimes to something less desirable.
I could go on for a while, but that is out of the scope of this dicsussion. I don't have a mac and I'm really jealous at how polished Delicious Library looks in comparaison.
Re:Delicious Library
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Alan+Partridge
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So, strictly speaking, you couldn't ACTUALLY name it, right?
Considering that the majority of the site isn't flash, just that big header at the top, and that the HTML is very nicely indented and commented.
I have my doubts if you actually looked at how the site works. More like firefox requested the flash plugin and you got pissy. If you had looked at it, they actually have a Javascript that detects if you have flash or not, if you don't they write a JPG version of the flash to the page instead. All of the little pop up effects and such are generated with javascript.
Actually, I 1) usually use w3m, and 2) purchased this application last month.
I find these to be entirely consistent. Being able to glance across a "shelf" of book covers scanning for a known one is quite functional. So is bypassing the "design" that so frequently impedes getting to content on web sites.
Javascript that detects if you have flash or not, if you don't they write a JPG version of the flash to the page instead. All of the little pop up effects and such are generated with javascript.
Great. So what about sane people, who have javascript disabled?
Decentralisation
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Daxx_61
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Why-ever not? A start up has to start up somewhere, and if the company does not require a fixed premises as such, these guys are free to meet in the park, in the high street, in coffee shops. It's really just an extreme example of how decentralised business is becoming these days.
Why-ever not? A start up has to start up somewhere, and if the company does not require a fixed premises as such, these guys are free to meet in the park, in the high street, in coffee shops. It's really just an extreme example of how decentralised business is becoming these days.
Don't you worry, as soon as they have serious money in the bank, they'll feel compelled to set up shop in a regular office building, with a flashy street sign, they'll start wearing suits, and they'll start hiring overhead such as "managers", "VP of sales" or "HR manager".
And every now and then, they'll gather up in the meeting room to reminisce "how cool and crazy we were in the beginning, dude".
That's how every start-up I worked for ended up turning into when they had the chance to develop into something...
-- "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
Re:Decentralisation
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sg3000
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> Don't you worry, as soon as they have serious money in the > bank, they'll feel compelled to set up shop in a regular office
Maybe. But I read on Think Secret that Delicious Monster was started by some guys who left the behemoth software conglomerate Omni Group:
Two former employees of developer The Omni Group have reportedly founded a new Mac OS X software company called Delicious Monster Software, and exciting products are in the works. The company was formed by Omni Group founder and former President Wil Shipley as well as interface designer Mike Matas, both of whom are said to have formed Omni's user interface team....
So it sounds like they left a small company to put together an even smaller company.
I admit, I just use their software. I know none of these guys and I've never worked for their companies, but it doesn't sound like either company is running to put on the white shirt and tie just yet.
-- Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
Re:Decentralisation
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ratnerstar
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Office building?! HR Manager?! What horrors we suffer in the name of success....
-- Just because you sold your soul to the devil that needn't make you a teetotaler. --The Devil and Daniel Webster
Re:Decentralisation
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Moofie
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"When they enter middle age they'll not want their 'window office' to be a seat at a coffee bar. Believe me."
Mid life crisis, huh?
I'd much rather run a successful small company than have a "window office". But I'm obviously too young and stupid to know what I REALLY want.
-- Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
Re:Decentralisation
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Anonymous Coward
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Yeah, Shipley and the Omni Group that he came from has been around since the NeXT days. Omni did a ton of fantastic software for not much money. Glad to see they're getting some coin.
Re:Decentralisation
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Anonymous Coward
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they'll not want their 'window office' to be a seat at a coffee bar.
You mean by then they'll want it to be the cubicle closest to the elevator?
When I get to middle age, running a company out of a coffee shop sounds like a much better deal than following some old fogey around on a golf course on a "gentleman's wager" to seal the deal.
Wil Shipley is really very unlikely to pull the whole corporate suit gig. At Omni, for a long time the company was in a house that felt more like a really tidy commune than a corporation. (Having a chef come in to prepare chow for the team probably helped.)
The Omni crew was a long way from suitdom. Wil was a big reason for that. Heck, he's one of the few people I'd consider relocating to work for.
Omni is a relatively small, successful OS X applications development shop, with very well-regarded products and a string of Apple Design Awards to their credit. If you're a Mac user, check out www.omnigroup.com, and try out their apps.
Wil and Mike left Omni to start something new, that was rather far removed from the kinds of Apps that Omni sells. They're all good friends, they just have different interests these days.
-jcr
-- The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
What does this mean for Omniweb and their other products? I always assumed you did development on that.
I love the latest Omniweb. For some strange reason it loved to crash for the first month or so I had it but it seems much more stable now. Not even sure what happened to fix it.
And what ever happened to Little Kimberly Anne? I still remember her AOL disk addiction. Seeing her web page many years ago was the first time I ever heard of Omni. Not the last, fortunately.
(Isn't it funny what people remember, even after years?)
I enjoy your license agreement. More people should have ones like that.
Best of good fortune in your new venture!
D
Re:Decentralisation
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wjsdelicious
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I can't speak for Omni, since I don't have anything to do with their day-to-day business any more. I think it's a fair guess that development will continue on OmniWeb and OmniGraffle and OmniOutliner and OmniDiskSweeper without me, as it has for the last nine months.
Little Kimberly Anne survived her disease and took off on her own six years ago. She's happy and living in Seattle, and writes book reviews for MSNBC.
Re:Decentralisation
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Anonymous Coward
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that would be one way to make sure that the next version is never completed. I have heard of people using Hooters as their off site meeting room. In fact, that's where I go when I want to sketch out some program designs and psuedocode some modules. Hot wings and unlimited supply of Mountain Dew!
Re:Decentralisation
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Anonymous Coward
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I'm 35. I had a real window office most of my adult life, and I'm much happier now.
Don't you worry, as soon as they have serious money in the bank, they'll feel compelled to set up shop in a regular office building, with a flashy street sign, they'll start wearing suits, and they'll start hiring overhead such as "managers", "VP of sales" or "HR manager".
Apple Computer became a corporation with similar job titles (which are fairly necessary when you have a thousand-plus employees). They have a Friday Beer Bash, so maybe they're soulless drones the other six days of the week. Also, Steve Jobs is so damn uptight that it makes me cringe. Know what I mean? Man, that guy screams corporate!
I keep lobbying against plans to put WiFi in the coffee shop I regularly visit. If they did that, I'd have no excuse at all to leave and probably die of caffeine poisoning within the week.
Shipley was a co-founder and former President of Omni I doubt a lack of control had anything to do with his leaving.
I suspect it had more to do with wanting to work on projects that the rest of Omni wasn't interested in pursuing plus an itch for the challenge of doing another startup.
I somehow doubt they'll have much trouble getting an office when and if the time comes for that.
fyi, the coffee shop they speak of is right next door to the Omni HQ
-- -tom
No different than any other virtual company
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Saint+Stephen
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Except it's in Seattle and it's for a niche market. I worked for a virtual company. Our "office" was our customer's offices. About ten of us.
Nothing very special about this except it's got insufferably precious Mac-Seattle-GraphicDesginer disease.
Re:No different than any other virtual company
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TheHornedOne
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That and their software is probably infinitely cooler than yours was. Have you ever used or seen Delicious Library?
Re:No different than any other virtual company
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Johnny+Mnemonic
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That, and that you can apparently win awards for being a barista. Who knew?
We can just hope that Apple doesn't take this product and roll it into their OS; lookit what happened to Sherlock and Konfabulator. I hope those guys have their patents squared away.
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Re:No different than any other virtual company
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jcr
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-- The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Re:No different than any other virtual company
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Anonymous Coward
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I hope those guys have their patents squared away.
Patents? LOL! You think these guys would have the money to stand against Apple? Did you think that for every patent Apple infringes on these guys, Apple has at least 50 patents which these guys infringe on Apple. Apple could drown these guys in patent infringement suits.
You really haven't understood the idea of software patent system. It's exists purely to protect the big companies from competition and to make smaller purely lawyer based ligitation companies rich. The honest hard working small guys don't get a dime from this system.
Re:No different than any other virtual company
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akac
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Apple had Sherlock years before Watson was ever a gleam in Karelias' eye. The only thing that really changed in Sherlock 3.0 was its UI was CLOSE to Watson, even though anecdotal evidence points to that UI being designed BEFORE Watson.
Dashboard is basically a replacement for Sherlock.
Re:No different than any other virtual company
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goMac2500
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Having been a Macintosh programmer in Seattle, I can say its not a niche market. Strangely enough for being next to Microsoft, the Mac is very popular in Seattle. It's not as popular as it is in say... Portland, but with all the tech money in Seattle a lot of people can afford them. I did some consulting, and I even worked for the local school district, which amazingly enough was still at about %95 Mac.
Re:No different than any other virtual company
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Saint+Stephen
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Yeah, and I bet you don't know anybody who voted for George Bush either:-)
You think your model scales?
If you do, I got some Flooz to sell you.
Re:No different than any other virtual company
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Space+Coyote
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You think your model scales?
If you do, I got some Flooz to sell you.
Re:No different than any other virtual company
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Saint+Stephen
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That is not Mac (it's primary Intel), nor Seattle (it's world-wide), nor is it Graphic Designer (it's a bunch of coders), so I have no idea what in the heck you're talking about.
easier solution
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Anonymous Coward
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Wouldn't it be easier to work from home? That's what I do.
I think what they are referring to is that, when they were only two, they _needed_ to get out, meet people, get some fresh air. Two people, alone, stuck in the same room, day after day, would annoy each other to pieces (unless they fall in love:-P
-- Probable impossibilities are to be preferred to improbable possibilities.
Aristotele
Re:easier solution
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TomorrowPlusX
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Not everybody *enjoys* working from home.
Personally, I like to separate my work from my life. It's not that I like one and not the other, it's that I like them to be different.
I do work in an office, but when I work on my own projects ( robotics & AI ) I do it in a coffee shop. It works for some mindsets. For me it gives me the comfort of *not* being cooped up in my apartment. I get to be surrounded by humanity, and in the chaos of noise, people and music, somehow my mind focuses like a needle.
When I work at home, I end up just being distracted and watch a movie, or spend time with my GF.
E.g., not productive;)
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lorem ipsum, dolor sit amet
Re:easier solution
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Skidge
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Not everybody *enjoys* working from home.
Very true. I thought I would; I'm a fairly introverted guy and able to focus pretty well on things, so when I had the opportunity to work remotely for my company, I did for about a year and a half. It was great at first, but after a while I found myself longing for more of a division between work. Working from home, for me at least, led to a feeling that I was never not at work; if I had some spare time, there was a small feeling prodding me to spend it finishing up some project for my job.
I finally had enough, so I found a new job, in which I work for a relatively large company in a large room with 10 or so other developers in it. It's actually quite refreshing to have those other folks around. Just having some other ideas floating around me has greatly increased my motivation. Plus, when I get home, I'm now only at home, not at work.
I second that, but with a twist. I telecommute full time, but I prefer spending a couple of days a week at a coffee shop for the same reasons you suggest.
But I can't imagine working in a coffee shop WITH my coworkers. That would kill my ability to focus. The second any of them want to take a break, it would automatically make everybody else want to stop and talk, because the surroundings are too close.
I do work in an office, but when I work on my own projects ( robotics & AI ) I do it in a coffee shop.
Coffee Shop Manager: Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to leave.
Hax0r: Huh? Why? I'm your best customer!
Manager: Well, sir, our patrons keep finding crawly little metal rats nibbling on their shoes. Also, last week one of your larger prototypes tried to mate with our espresso machine.
When I work from home, I tend to spend too much time on Slashdot. You see, at the office, if the boss and coworkers come in and see Slashdot up on the screen too often, I feel embarassed, even though nothing is said. At home, there is no such external restraint - only self discipline, which is not always up to the job.
Lent is coming up, and I will again be giving up Slashdot (among other things) for Lent. This was very successful last year. Productivity during Lent was several times what is what the rest of the year. There is work related news on Slashdot, but my coworkers keep me updated.
You're posting on slashdot. No need to state the obvious.
Re:easier solution
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Anonymous Coward
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I do software support over the phone and when it hits 6 PM, I am DONE for the day. So I am thinking about working from home (Or from my yacht). I am an introvert and recently got back to work from a 6-month sailing trip (Fl to the great lakes). The hardest part about going back to work after that trip was talking and being around all the people all day. 5 months later and I am getting quite used to the human interaction.
So I guess my only worry about working from home is that it would again become very hard for me to be around people. Its like I'd have to re-learn how to enjoy the human contact.
I'm unemployed. I stay at home all day, but don't work. Apart from the poverty, it's the best lifestyle ever. And I'm only half joking, I'm catching up on all sorts of books, tinkering with my collection of defunct hardware, and even getting a bit of exercise. If I could find a cheaper source of instant noodles to sustain me, I would be all set...
I'd wonder about security though. These guys are working on wireless internet on a public network while developing proprietary software. What's to stop one guy with a snooper and a latte-wielding disguise from stealing all their work?
Yes, it's quirky. And I'll be damned if I wouldn't love to pay my rent in coffee... but I'm just not sure it's good business.
Of course, this is all speculation on my part. We only have a Starbucks here.
Re:Security?
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Yaztromo
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I'd wonder about security though. These guys are working on wireless internet on a public network while developing proprietary software. What's to stop one guy with a snooper and a latte-wielding disguise from stealing all their work?
It's called data encryption, in the form of a VPN. Look into it.
Really -- this problem has been solved for a long, long time. Create your own virtual network within the network by implementing an encryption and authentication system so that only those systems and users belonging to the company can connect and intercommunicate, and your work just looks like garbage to anyone wishing to snoop in on you.
Yaz.
Re:Security?
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Anonymous Coward
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When proprietary stuff is being transferred wirelessly, presumably ssh or something along those lines is being employed. Sorry you can't get good coffee where you live.
Re:Security?
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Anonymous Coward
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It's called data encryption, in the form of a VPN. Look into it.
I'm not going to elaborate since the vendors have only just been notified last week, but expect a major vulnerability in most vendors' implementations of IPSec to come out next month. It basically allows anyone to decrypt your traffic with only an hours worth of captured packets.
The easiest way to steal all the data from someone's computer in a coffee shop is wait until he goes to take a piss and walk off with the machine.
If you want to mess with 0-day exploits and hacking wireless cards, you can do that from the parking lot of nearly any small business in America. There's nothing special about coffee shops.
Re:Security?
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Anonymous Coward
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'ats why I have a Kensington Security Chain for my PowerBook and I use its built-in AES128 home-directory security. Even if you don't have a Mac (all of them since at least 1990 have come with the Kenginston "jack" --all of them since at least 2002 have come with home-directory encryption), you can still get some after-market products that bond to an unobtrusive spot on your laptop. Some of the after-market products have piercing sirens which can be very effective in an environment like a coffee shop --'cuz you know who likes to hang out eating donuts and coffee, right?
Probably not. If someone wanted to spend $10,000 recovering data off that drive, they probably could. And, I bet someone could walk in your garage, take the hard drive out of that machine, and leave you none the wiser.
Now you've done it, you slashdotted the coffee shop!
Re:Slashdotted
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Anonymous Coward
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You bastards...
I was wondering why my latté tasted funny.
Delicious Library is a great start on a product!
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shawnce
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Just want to throw a kudo their way.
I find Delicious Library a great product for being so new. Many customer empowering features and overall refinement. It also leverages the best of what Mac OS X has to offer developers.
Good job and keep it up!
Alot of software.
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Anonymous Coward
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Ton of software at there site. Solo shareware authors have wrote more ware than that. There has been alot of Apple headlines lately, and this ones boring. New Mac Mini, new iPod, new Xserve. New software conpany with one software title.
Re:Alot of software.
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Anonymous Coward
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Learn how to write in proper English. Your posting makes almost no sense. Babelfish has not invented the Moron -> English algorithm yet.
Re:Alot of software.
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Anonymous Coward
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Yes, Babelfish has Moron to English. They call it French to English.
Re:Alot of software.
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Anonymous Coward
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Yeah, that Blaise Pascal was a real dumbass. But you're a genuine idiot.
I'm not much of a coffee drinker..
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neoee
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its really a shame they don't have Wi-Fi at my local bar. Paying rent in beer sounds like a much better option.
Re:I'm not much of a coffee drinker..
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mikeb39
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I see a definate problem here with employee productivity after a few hours at the "office".
At least it would solve all those stress and morale issues people are always complaining about.
Re:I'm not much of a coffee drinker..
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pointyhairedmba
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I've noticed that more places have free WiFi access here in Austin. The Tavern (a bar) just added it which has lowered my productivity quite a bit...
Re:I'm not much of a coffee drinker..
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Anonymous Coward
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My bar doesn't have offer wi-fi access, but their linksys router still lets me in most of the time
Re:I'm not much of a coffee drinker..
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breon.halling
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I think you've got it wrong: it's the beer you rent! =P
-- "Yeah, well, Dracula called and he's coming over tonight for you and I said okay."
Re:I'm not much of a coffee drinker..
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steve_bedrick
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Hey, it's Mac, it's Wired, it's got to be in and trendy right? After all, this wouldn't be another pointless Mac story on Wired that gets echoed on Slashdot, now would it?
Re:Trendy featherbrains
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wjsdelicious
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I'm assuming this was meant to be a jab, but Mike's actually very seriously considering getting a Segway. He lives only about ten blocks from the cafe, and we're both very concerned about the environment and stuff.
It's kind of mean to assume we're stupid just because we managed to get some publicity for our tiny company. We still worked really hard on our product.
Re:Trendy featherbrains
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DarkBlackFox
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Go for it! I got myself a Segway a few weeks ago, and it's been great to get around. It would be especially handy in environments like yours, where work is only 10 blocks away. It's a great way to avoid traffic, parking, and gas prices. Most places I've been to don't mind if you park it in a corner, especially if you are a regular customer. It's quiet, it's cool, and the people you talk to when driving around make it well worth it.
For 10 blocks it seems like the ideal way to avoid walking and instead pack on the pounds from all those lattes...
Re:Trendy featherbrains
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Lord+Flipper
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It's kind of mean to assume we're stupid just because we managed to get some publicity for our tiny company. We still worked really hard on our product.
Ignore jerks like that. This is slashdot, and it can be the most incredibly interesting place, but it also attracts some of the most -apparently- useless individuals. Blame it on cheap PCs, or the small 'price we pay' for access.
You might have noticed a post referring to 'patents', and Omni using Apple 'patents'. Just another jerk that doesn't know the difference between patent infringement, and following the Apple APIs. What can ya do? As us older musicians used to say: "It takes the black keys and the white keys to make the whole piano."
I love OmniWeb, DiskSweeper, Graffle, and Outliner. Well done on all of them. (And by the way, you guys in the 'peanut gallery', I paid for my copies, no Demos.)
As for 'the peanut gallery' (yeah you, in mom and dad's basement), I am not a 'shill'. As a matter of fact I have been attempting to motivate a couple folks at OmniGroup to get the 'wonkiness' out of AdBlock (in OmniWeb). I use OmniWeb about 70% of the time, but the extensibility of Firefox is just another World. On the other hand, Firefox doesn't pay any attention to Apple APIs, though, and it shows. Again, not bad for a Windows 'alternative'. But on the Mac, OmniWeb is *the* alternative browser. No question about it.
I heard that when Steve Jobs showed up for his 'return' to Apple, he was running OmniWeb (in NeXTSTEP?) on a ThinkPad, and said (to the Apple engineers there) "When you build a better browser, I'll use it." I'm thinking either Steve is still using Omni, or he's more of a 'team player', these days. One or the other.
Regards ~flipper
Re:Trendy featherbrains
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Anonymous Coward
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but Mike's actually very seriously considering getting a Segway
You might want to have some plans to continue on if something happens to Mike while he is rolling down the sidewalk carrying a $4000 laptop on his $10000 scooter listening to his $500 ipod. A lot of people are hungry in this country and might not understand that you are using those tools to generate wealth which you redistribute to their community (even $5 at a time at the coffee shop), thus creating jobs. They might be more inclined to take their cut all at once, kind of like personal injury lawyers.
It's kind of mean to assume we're stupid just because we managed to get some publicity for our tiny company.
Those guys are cracking jokes because running a software business out of a coffee shop is funny. When the waitress asks how your coffee is, do you all turn at the same time and say "I'ts Delicious" and put on a shit-eating-grin?
Re:Trendy featherbrains
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Anonymous Coward
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aren't skateboarders trendy now too? Seems like it could be a lot less expensive.
I have rather fond memories of it back from the days of the UWbb.
Congradulations on Delicious Library, it looks like a nice program. Too bad I don't have a mac to run it on.
-- Happy Fun Ball is for external use only.
next version concerns
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MoreDruid
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While I like this product (I especially think the barcode thing is spiffy), I don't really like some of their ideas for the next version. They state that you will be able to see other peoples profile with the same taste... Well I think marketeers are going to have a field trip with this... a fully free accessible database of online contacts already sorted by the profile you make... all that for only 40 bucks. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea in principle, but it's just too easy to be taken advantage of.
-- The best weapon of a dictatorship is secrecy, but the best weapon of a democracy should be the weapon of openness.
Re:next version concerns
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TheWingThing
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It shouldnt be a big deal to add some privacy options like who can and cannot see your library and your profile (only those that I approve / anyone who are in my friends network / the world).
Re:next version concerns
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shadowkoder
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the article stated it would work something like the iTunes sharing, which is over a local network. I personally think its an awesome idea to see what someone else has, and for well known people to publish their own catalogues (I think there is third party software to publish this in HTML format now).
Re:next version concerns
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Anonymous Coward
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Well I think marketeers are going to have a field trip with this...
Um.. You do realize that sharing your library is something that you'll have to turn on, right? This isn't spyware.
-jcr
-- The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Re:next version concerns
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wjsdelicious
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We will absolutely have sharing your collection be "opt-in," on several levels. We aren't Safeway.
Amazon already has 1,000,000x the data on people's buying habits and their relations to each other than we'll ever collect, so I suspect that if marketers were going to have a field day, they'd be calling Amazon long before us.
It's true that it'd be _possible_ for us to do less-than-good things with the data we collect, but we're not going to. We're going to use the data to create new virtual communities of people with common interests, and bring our fragmented society closer together. If you don't want to join in those communities, don't check the preference box.
Mike has always been against us making the "buy similar items" aspect of our product too prominent, because he didn't want us to seem like a front-end to Amazon. And when we were looking for a way to help the world with our money, It was his idea to give all of our Amazon associates' money to charity, so it's clear to our customers we are NOT trying to encourage them to BUY BUY BUY.
Any new technology can be used for good or evil. I would expect people on this forum would recognize this truism isn't an argument against progress; it's a caution against recklessness.
> Mike has always been against us making the "buy similar > items" aspect of our product too prominent, because he didn't > want us to seem like a front-end to Amazon.
"Mike" is right. Before I looked into Delicious Monster a little more, I thought you were a front for Amazon-- perhaps some sort of Amazon-funded venture or something like that.
I think some aspects of the Amazon part are cool (particularly the fact that you can drag product URLs from Amazon's web site and import the item into the Library). However, some of it was a little too "in your face". For example, the Item menu has Amazon listed five times.
Don't me wrong -- Delicious Library is cool. Great job.
-- Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
Re:next version concerns
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Anonymous Coward
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I like Delicious Library. Technically it's an excellent application.
The reason I didn't purchase it was because it plugged in your affliate code whenever it accessed amazon.
I saw that, found there was no way to disable it and labeled the application "mediocre" in my mind.
Your muddled justifications make only one thing clear: You don't respect the people using your software (and paying good money for it).
I just don't buy the justification from your FAQ:
"We have adjusted the retail price of our software downward to account for this potential revenue, but if you are for some reason bothered by us making profit from Amazon sales you can simply re-type the URLs into a new browser window without the "deliciousmons-??" codeword"
Re:next version concerns
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Anonymous Coward
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" If you don't want to join in those communities, don't check the preference box."
Can I use this in my.signature? I want to see it on billboards around town too. This is too cool.
Re:next version concerns
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Zhe+Mappel
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We're going to use the data to create new virtual communities of people with common interests, and bring our fragmented society closer together.
Or not.
By letting people see that they all own the same crappy Hollywood movies, you won't necessarily be "bring(ing) our fragmented society closer together." At best, you'll be helping people form narrow communities based on sameness of taste. That's further fragmentation, in fact. At worst, you'll just be fostering consumerism and the replacement of identity by brand. Not such a sin, really, in a society where identity is purchased; but maybe you should hold off on ordering the halo just yet, eh?
Re:next version concerns
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wjsdelicious
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Wow, you're a tad on the cynical side.
Let's leave movies aside for a second. I have a collection of about 1,200 books in my library. Mostly sci-fi (everything Larry Niven wrote before 1985, Steven Brust), some graphic novels (yes, that's snotty talk for comic books), some fiction by Somerset Maugham.
What I discovered back when I was at Omni was there was an engineer there who had a lot of the same taste as me in books. He started introducing me to authors he liked, that I'd either never heard of or never thought I'd like. Alec Effinger (rip, friend), for instance.
And, what was amazing was EVERY book he recommended, I treasured. (Thanks, Wiml!)
How incredible, I thought, to have the ability to KNOW, before I ever buy a book, before I even go to the store, that I'm going to like it!
So, one of my thoughts for Library was, what if we could do this on a larger scale? What if, instead of querying your friends and hoping one has similar tastes, you could query the whole world? What new worlds would you be introduced to if _everyone_ who had similar interests to you were making suggestions?
We're not talking about comparing your library of crap to everyone else's crap and recommending crap. We're talking about looking at the books that _you_ treasure, and finding someone who treasures the same titles, and then asking, well, what do they like that you haven't seen yet? What do you like that they haven't seen?
Besides the new books you'd get to read, imagine the conversations you'd get to have with this group of people.
The reason that everyone has "the same crappy Hollywood movies" is because they don't have anyone they trust to recommend movies to them, so they let the shelf-space at the video store do the recommending.
So set your cynicism aside for a second. We're trying to provide an alternative to the exact system you hate, which only rewards mainstream tastes. Maybe we succeed, maybe we fail, but at least we're trying to do something neat.
I'll take my halo back now, thank you.
Re:next version concerns
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Zhe+Mappel
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OK, based on your last post, I've reconsidered your product. And, frankly, now I think it has merit.
Mind, it's not nearly as novel as you'd like to think. In fact, many of us are already very familiar with what you describe: getting recommendations from people whose opinion we respect. It's always been the basis of criticism, and many of us also do it on a small scale with family, friends, and colleagues, not to mention "querying the whole world" through IMDb, Netflix, and message boards the world over. (Notably, what we're getting from those sources isn't merely numerical matches to our taste; we're getting human speech, human thought, human responses, as well as interaction.)
But is helping to digitize the process of taste match-making the same thing as "bring(ing) our fragmented society closer together"? Would we casually make such exagerrated claims about selecting media? About taste?
You would. Not I. Society is fragmented not by our taste in what we choose to read, watch, or hear but instead by real issues, real problems. Fragmentation of taste, in fact, is pretty damn normal and desirable. It's what pluralism's all about. There's no good reason to want everyone to like the same thing; there are plenty of nasty ones, though.
Call me cynical if you like; fair enough. For my part, you strike me as a tad starry-eyed, as in:
How incredible, I thought, to have the ability to KNOW, before I ever buy a book, before I even go to the store, that I'm going to like it!
Re:next version concerns
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wjsdelicious
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I feel like you're still missing part of my point, and thus misunderestimating the grander plan.
First off, let me explain that I feel that progress is made in tiny little increments. Do I expect Delicious Library to instantly bring peace to the whole planet? No. Do I think it's a step in a positive direction? Yes. That still makes it worthwhile.
It seems like what you're saying is that everyone shouldn't want to read the same thing, and I'm not disagreeing with you. What I'm saying is, imagine being able to instantly find people who have the same _taste_ as you, and then getting recommendations from just them, instead of from the entire world.
And yes, the world has real problems. But a lot of real problems go away when people treat each other with dignity and respect.
The way Delicious Library could bring the world together is we will create new meta-communities based on common tastes instead of based on racial, monetary, or geographical boundaries. Imagine you rate a bunch of books you like and discover someone else who has almost the exact same taste as you through Delicious Library -- maybe at first you sample some of the selections from other person's 'loved-it' list that you haven't tried yet, but then as you build up confidence you start talking to the person, and exchanging ideas about the stuff you both love.
What if you then discover this person lives in a country that your country currently calls its enemy? How is this going to change your view of the "enemy"? I know that "you", in this particular case, probably aren't impressed with this scenario, because you're already enlightened vis-a-vis your country's enemies. But I'm also sure you can imagine a "you" where getting to know the enemy as a person would have a profound effect.
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Of course, the e-book club is useful for a lot more than stopping wars. I see it as a way for us to create new societies. I don't claim to have invented this idea, what I do claim is DL will make it VERY EASY. Once you have all your stuff in your computer, it should be REALLY easy to rate it and compare it with others.
My point isn't that we should avoid human contact, in fact, it's quite the opposite. We are basically shy creatures, and we need commonalities in order to bond and form societies. For instance, I barely know my neighbors, but I know everyone at my local Apple Store.
What we want to give people is some known set of common interests for them to form real friendships around. We want Delicious Library to say, in effect, "Hey, there are 35 people in Seattle who have very similar tastes in horror novels as you do... maybe you should form a book club?" or "Hey, there's a woman down the street who has the next book in this series you love -- why not ask her if you can borrow it?"
It's ironic to argue with someone on slash-dot, which is a very clear example of what I'm talking about (a new society that ignores traditional boundaries), about whether this kind of idea is valid.
I am a tad starry-eyed. I'm proud of it. Twenty years ago everyone said I was a dreamer for fighting Microsoft and supporting UNIX (and then Nextstep, then Mac OS X). "There's no way Microsoft's reign could ever end! Who could imagine such a day!"
Dreamers fail a lot, except when they don't, and then, THEN they change the world. And if I die having not changed the world, well, at least I tried.
I can see it now, a guy walks in to have a cup of coffee and relax a bit and the Delicious Monster guys jump him and slap him with a rolled up printout of the DCMA asking him to cease and desist trying to steal their code by means of shoulder surfing. He was just trying to have a cup of coffee, for Christ's sake!
Not surprising when your co-founder was...
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tyrione
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Co-founder of OmniGroup in Seattle.
http://www.omnigroup.com
I had no idea Wil left his baby, OmniWeb to do a start-up. With his almost 15 years of Cocoa programming experience I'm sure they'll make it.
Re:Not surprising when your co-founder was...
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MesiahTaz
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Has Cocoa existed for 15 years? If I recall, and I could very well be wrong, Cocoa is no more than 5-7 years old. It is Objective C that is nearing 20 years of age.
Re:Not surprising when your co-founder was...
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mrchaotica
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The NeXTStep API is 20 years old too... and Cocoa is the NeXTStep API with tweaks from Apple.
Interestingly enough, if you're careful about it Cocoa programs should work with GNUStep as well. It's too bad so few people realize that, because we could have had bunches of cross-platform [Linux and Mac] native programs LONG before anybody thought of Mono....
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"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Re:Not surprising when your co-founder was...
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It's too bad so few people realize that, because we could have had bunches of cross-platform [Linux and Mac] native programs LONG before anybody thought of Mono....
Not just Mac and *NIX (not just Linux, I do GNUstep development on FreeBSD, for example), but Windows as well. I'm not sure if it's in a release build yet, or just CVS, but the Windows backend is looking really impressive now (the only bug I saw was incorrect handling of transparency in images, which should be fixed soon). It's even possible to put the menu bar in the wrong place (i.e. attached to the application's windows).
Chameleon, the GNUstep theme engine, is also nearing completion (Nicolas currently has a build running with the images extracted from OS X and the only bug I saw was a clipping error when vertical scroll bars become small), at which point it should start to become possible to use GNUstep to make apps that look and behave like Windows, GNOME, KDE, GNUstep or Mac apps just by installing the correct bundles.
Re:Not surprising when your co-founder was...
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mrchaotica
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Well, I knew OpenStep ran on Windows, but I didn't know GNUStep did (and I don't really care, either). I read about Chameleon just yesterday, when I was looking up info for my previous post. It's nice, and the fact that it'll have a Mac theme is even better. Ever since I got my iBook I've had this weird urge to turn my Linux desktop into a Mac too...
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"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Re:Not surprising when your co-founder was...
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TheRaven64
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Chameleon won't include an Aqua theme for legal reason (all of the graphics are copyright Apple, and redistributing them would be illegal). Nicolas does have a tool for extracting the required images from OS X in a way that allows Chameleon to use them, and this will probably be available with Chameleon. You'll still have to find a Mac to run it on though...
Re:Not surprising when your co-founder was...
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mrchaotica
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You'll still have to find a Mac to run it on though...
...Such as the iBook I'm typing this on? That's fine with me! ; )
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"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Re:Not surprising when your co-founder was...
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wjsdelicious
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The really funny part about {NeXTstep,NextStep,NEXTSTEP,Nextstep,OpenStep) being around for 16 years (1989 was the release of 0.8, I recall), is the apps that Steve (that's JOBS) is recycling from the old days.
Keynote is VERY close to a wonderful 1995 NEXTSTEP presentation app from Lighthouse Design called "Concurrence". How close is it? Well, why not ask Roger Rosner, who now works at Apple, on Keynote, and was one of the founders of Lighthouse.
Another Lighthouse founder, Kevin Steele, wrote Diagram! for NEXTSTEP in 1992, WELL before Visio was even a company (and well before Visio bought ten copies of Diagram!, worked for a year, and came out with a similar program for Windows, making millions of dollars). He rewrote it a couple years ago and gave his new version to me (and Omni) -- we renamed it OmniGraffle.
And (finally for now) there was a company that started working on an amazing word processor / page layout hybrid program for NEXTSTEP in 1996-7ish, that just barely got published before the company folded.
The product was called... Pages. cf. Pages. Note that both Apple's new iWork apps are actually NEXTSTEP apps from the mid-1990s.
The last great product from the 1990s NEXTSTEP days was Lotus Improv -- later rewritten by Lighthouse as "Quantrix". It was a truly amazing infinite-dimension spreadsheet. Do a google on Quantrix -- there's a new Java spreadsheet of the same name. And, in fact, by one of the old Lighthouse alumni. And it runs on Mac OS X, but, frankly, I'd really rather have a native Cocoa port. (Sorry, guys, but it doesn't feel the same yet.)
[BTW, it really pays to have worked at Lighthouse. Their president, for example, is now the president of Sun.]
I met these guys at Macworld...
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eobanb
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And you know what? They're ordinary, hard-working developers, and they're quite creative. Apple should be hiring them.
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Take off every sig. For great justice.
Re:I met these guys at Macworld...
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Anonymous Coward
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the post above this one was probably submitted by the developers....:P
Re:I met these guys at Macworld...
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WoBIX
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But the whole point of starting your own company is so you can work for yourself and do the projects that you want to do. (well, that and become fantastically rich)
Sure, they could get hired at Apple, but then they'd have to start listening to the people above them.
Re:I met these guys at Macworld...
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tyrione
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Before I worked at NeXT, Wil Shipley did interns with NeXT while at the UofW.
I'm sure he enjoys Seattle.
Re:I met these guys at Macworld...
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Anonymous Coward
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Wil Shipley did interns with NeXT
So NeXT has some sexy interns, eh? I'll have to see about doing some of them myself...
Re:I met these guys at Macworld...
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jcr
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Apple couldn't match their current income;-)
-jcr
-- The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Re:Delicious Library is a great start on a product
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edittard
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Just want to throw a kudo their way.
Huh? I doubt you're strong enough to even lift an antelope, let alone lob one in someone's general direction. Or do you think all words ending in "s" are plural? If so you can kiss my as. Or indeed both of them.
-- At the bottom of the/. main page it says 'Yesterday's News'. Well they got that right.
Nice Software But...
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xelph
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... also a complete, utter waste of time.
I have to admit that I bought the software because I am a Criterion collector and because the developers did a really nice job in terms of look and feel. So I scanned hundreds and hundreds of DVDs in there and now I can see them sitting on gorgeous virtual shelves on my fully loaded PowerBook G4. And I can pat myself in the back. And that is about it.
The fact that useless software (and products in general) that does not make you nicer, more knowledgeable, or more intelligent can generate so much revenue is beyond common sense. But the saddest part is that I am actually contributing to that trend.
Re:Nice Software But...
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HeghmoH
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I don't have the software, and I haven't tried it. I have a reasonably large book collection, but it's all sitting in a garage on another continent.
If I had access to my book collection, I imagine Delicious Library might come in handy. If I scanned in all of my books, I could instantly find out whether I had a particular book or not. (More than once, I've bought a copy of a book I already owned.) Even better, I could search within (some of) the books I owned using Amazon's search feature. Of course, I can search within the books I don't own using that too, but the combination would be nice. If it lets me enter additional information, then I could mention where the book is, so maybe I could even find it.
I'm guessing none of this would be worth the price tag, but it doesn't seem completely useless.
-- Mod down posts with a "Free Mac Mini/iPod" sig, they're spam!
Re:Nice Software But...
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Anonymous Coward
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Glad I'm not the only one who thought this!
Re:Nice Software But...
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Moofie
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You don't like it. I do. What's your point?
One of the reasons I buy media is to lend it out to my friends. I've lost more than one book/DVD/game that way, and Delicious helps me keep things organized. It's superbly designed, really easy to use, and does exactly what it says it does.
You've got buyer's remorse. I'm a happy customer. Both of us were free to buy, or not buy, the program. What's the problem?
-- Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
Re:Nice Software But...
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siliconjunkie
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The fact that useless software (and products in general) that does not make you nicer, more knowledgeable, or more intelligent can generate so much revenue is beyond common sense.
For starters, I have no interest in spending my money on something that makes me "nicer". What the hell is something that makes you "nicer" anyway? Prozac?
Secondly, have you looked at the things that people spend money on? You don't have to delve too deeply into the economy to see that people don't spend the majority of their moeny on "things to make them more knowledgeable, or more intelligent". What does "common sense" have to do with anything?
But the saddest part is that I am actually contributing to that trend.
No, the saddest part is you didn't have he foresight to realize that a piece of software designed to catalog your software isn't going to make you "nicer", "more knowledgeable" or "more intelligent". It's a goddamn pretty database application. Were you expecting to achieve enlightenment or something after you installed it?
Re:Nice Software But...
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iocat
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I don't have this software or an OSX capable Mac, but it does have some useful features, mainly for wants lists exportable to Palm or some other device (or paper). For instance, I have most of John D. MacDonald's books, and I'm frequently buying ones I don't think I have, only to discover I do, either under a different title, or with a different cover page, etc. So that's one use.
If you have to store your books in boxes (if you have too many), that's another good use, although I don't know if the software lets you create custom fields or specoify a location.
The sharing aspect is another great use. I have hella DVDs, so do mant of my friends, but it's surprising how little our collections overlap. Being able to browse their collections would be neat. So that's a third use.
I never said I did not like it, quite the opposite; it is nicely designed. I just said that I found it to be a waste of my time. Your experience may differ.
One of the reasons I buy media is to lend it out to my friends.
That was something that was mentioned in the article and the first thing that popped into my head was "who the hell buys stuff to loan it out to their friends?". I buy stuff to watch/listen/read it myself, not anyone else. The same goes for tools. I buy them because I have a use for them, not so I can loan out to someone. If I'm not using them and a friend wants to borrow something, that's fine as long as I get them back. However, I would prefer them to buy their own damn stuff and stop mooching.
-- the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
Re:Nice Software But...
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moggie_xev
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I got the software. It stores it's db in xml.
It took me 10 minutes to write a bit of perl to store it in a form that the db app on my sony p910i can read. So now I have my book collection searchable on my phone so I don't buy any duplicates at the second hand book shop.
I guess you missed my point. I found the software to be well designed (a pretty application, as you say) and functional, just a waste of my time after all. I do not regret spending the money, just the time. Others may find it to be very useful to them.
Of course, if you check the terms and conditions of use for virtually anything these days, you'll find that is specifically forbids lending the product, whatever it may be, to anyone:P But who obeys that sort of crap anyway?
You sound like a swell friend...really a joy to be around.
I haven't purchased Delicious Monster's software yet, but I intend to. The reason I buy DVDs that I love, as oppose to renting them, is very much to share them with friends. Very few of my 100 or so DVDs do I really watch with any regularity. A few of them I probably haven't made up for the money I could have saved just renting them. But part of the joy is being able to show to friends when they come over or letting them borrow them. And when I lend them out is when I lose them. Not because I have crappy friends who are mooching, but because we both forget about it.
"I guess you missed my point. I found the software to be well designed (a pretty application, as you say) and functional, just a waste of my time after all. I do not regret spending the money, just the time. Others may find it to be very useful to them."
It doesn't take a whole lot of foresight to realize - before buying - that all the work of scanning in your DVD collection isn't really going to accomplish much. Even if it is a nicely designed app.
But then, you're a collector, and collectors are not known for making good rational decisions.
-- September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area
Cocoa Programmer
Quincy, MA
Re:Nice Software But...
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moggie_xev
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Re:Nice Software But...
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wjsdelicious
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It's funny, because most people's reaction to our software when they first see it is, "Wow, how useful! Here's my credit card," but for some it is, "Wow, how useless... here's my credit card."
I don't actually want to argue with your point, although it's worth mentioning, as other people have, that you can print out your list of stuff and tuck it in a safety deposit box, so if you lose your collection to fire or theft it'll all be replaced exactly. Or you can print your collection and take the list to the video/book store and make sure you don't duplicate items. Or you can track your loans and make sure you don't lose items.
Or you can use the smart recommendations and find items you never knew you'd like, and buy with more confidence that you aren't wasting money. Or you can sell items you're no longer using in just a couple clicks, and make some extra money AND tidy up your life.
All of these things potentially make and/or save you money.
But, you may not want to do any of that. What I'd like to point out is, our real goal in writing software is to make you smile.
Did we succeed at that? Because, for instance, "The Incredibles" probably didn't make you better, stronger, faster (etc), but I'm betting you don't regret the $9 you spent on it. And if every company's goal was to make products that made people smile, I don't think the world would be a bad place at all.
Re:Nice Software But...
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sceptre1067
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like the other poster said.. depends on how many books you got...
In the office of our house the wife and I have about 2,000 books (combination of non-fiction and small press publishers.) Then there's the spare bedroom (cookery books), our bedroom (fiction & philosophy), the hallway on our second floor (mostly children's literature.) and the basement (media based fiction and reference books for media.)
Then there are the handfull of boxes we have yet to unpack (from three years ago, mostly paperbacks.)
So the chance of buying a duplicate can be quite high, if one collects, reads a lot, and loves books.
I wouldn't say it's useless, but I can't see what other people find so great about it either.
I downloaded the demo a while back and played with it for a while. The first five minutes of using it were pretty cool, but the novelty soon wore off, and the warts started showing through. For example, if your have been entering books into the library and then want to enter a game or a CD, you need to switch to the appropriate shelf before entering the UPC, or you get a Lookup Failed error. Why should I have to switch shelves? Why doesn't the software do it for me? It would also be nice if the data entry would default to the UPC/ISBN field rather than the name field (or at least have that be a user settable feature). If I'm going to be doing data entry, I'm going to want to enter the shortest string, which is almost always going to be the UPC/ISBN number. I know I had other gripes, but I've forgotten them by now.
And frankly, if you don't have an iSight/other barcode reader, the software just isn't worth the $40 price. I'm not sure it's worth that even with an iSight, but I haven't been able to evaluate that option so I can't say for sure.
Meh... just my 13 cents (you know, inflation). Maybe I'll look at it again if they release a v2.0 or so see if they've actually made it worth my coin.
I think that most people who read my post missed the point I was trying to make.
The criticism was not directed at this very nice piece of software or its talented publisher; your reply is appreciated, by the way. It was more directed at myself and the state of computing at large.
What do we do with our computers and what is the point of doing it? Why did I purchase a piece of software to create a database of stuff that I do not really need to own anyway.
Maybe I expected Alan Kay or some other luminary to post a reply. But I guess he has better things to do than reading Slashdot.
Oh well, just ignore me:-).
Re:Nice Software But...
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Anonymous Coward
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Dude, laughing gas makes people smile too.
PS - I don't regret downloading "The Incredibles" via BitTorrent.
Re:Nice Software But...
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Anonymous Coward
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So I scanned hundreds and hundreds of DVDs in there and now I can see them sitting on gorgeous virtual shelves on my fully loaded PowerBook G4. And I can pat myself in the back. And that is about it.
You could lend some DVDs to me and use your Address Book and iCalendar to keep track of if^H^H when I'm going to return them to you. That would put it to good use.;-)
Re:Nice Software But...
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Lord+Flipper
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Depends how many books you have....
Totally.
I collected records, and, to a lesser extent, books. When I was a part owner of a record shop I took records in lieu of profit-sharing, or pay. My weekly stipend? 400 albums. And I spent my weekends driving to jobbers, hitting flea markets (including the cool one at Capitol Records, monthly).
And yeah, there might have been one or two 'dupes' in there. {laughs}
Re:Nice Software But...
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wjsdelicious
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You don't have to switch shelves by hand to switch between entering movies and books by hand -- just add all items to the "Incoming" shelf and they'll morph into the correct item type when they are looked up.
But, if you add an item specifically to the "Books" shelf it is MUCH faster for us to only check the books database, and we get much better results as well.
Re:Nice Software But...
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Anonymous Coward
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But where will you be in 10..20 years? You are going to be someone's bitch because you can't take care of yourself.
Re:Nice Software But...
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Anonymous Coward
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What the hell is something that makes you "nicer" anyway? Prozac?
They keep saying on CNBC that Prozac increases homicidal and suicidal tendencies ("I'm not crazy, institution." --sorry '80s flash back) and that it's manufacturer knew it in the 80s so we should steer clear of their stock because they might get hit with a big lawsuit. Now you say it makes you nicer than buying software from Delicious Software? If this is so, then I wonder what the Delicious Software does to people!
Re:Nice Software But...
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Anonymous Coward
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Wow... movies are sure being released on DVD quickly these days.;-)
Sounds like a nice product that actually took the poorly executed idea behind Quecat, added geek-savvy iSight scanning capabilities, a much better software interface, and a name that makes sense. I am tempted to buy, but will probably wait for thE 2.0 product (and until I have an iSight). Does it really work with other webcams as has been suggested in some posts above?
No, it's your frends who are glad you're not like me. They would have to start buying their stuff instead of borrowing it from you. Which is fine if you don't mind people using you like that. Normally, I would associate buying stuff for other people with the more common practice of giving someone a gift. That's not odd at all. Buying stuff to loan it out is...maybe it's a West Coast thing.
-- the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
A west coast thing? Uh, OK, but I've done most of it in Texas. Maybe that's moved to the west coast.
I don't mind the people I care about enjoying the things I own. I'm not selfish. I get joy from discussing things I enjoy with my friends.
And, yes, my friends are glad I'm not like you. I, personally, am glad because taking care of the people around me is one of my great pleasures in life, and I wouldn't trade it for anything.
Generosity of spirit is its own reward. If it costs me a book now and then, I count it money well spent.
Yep. The people that I trade concert recordings that we've made seem to think so. But given that they are at least a couple hundred miles away means that they don't pop over to borrow movies that they could get someplace 10 minutes away.
I buy DVDs/CDs/books/whatever because I want to be able to enjoy them any damn time I please and to support the creators of those works. No other reason.
-- the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
Re:Nice Software But...
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Anonymous Coward
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So did your landlord, grocer, etc start taking payments in the form of albums too? Or did you sell them on the side and decrease sales of the record shop would otherwise have?
I don't mind discussing things I enjoy with other people either, but because I don't buy stuff to loan to my friends makes me selfish? LoL! Hmm..but you know you could be on to something. Maybe I should tell all the people that I've given gifts to that I was just loaning them the item. Then they might feel obligated to give it back someday.
-- the good ground has been paved over by suicidal maniacs
Re:Nice Software But...
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Anonymous Coward
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Austin hippies aren't real Texans, you know. They are kept in a central zoo-like location so other Texans don't have to waste money travelling to California to see freaks.
Can't tell you how proud I am to say that, despite spending 20 years in Texas, and graduating from the University thereof, I am most emphatically not a Texan.
-- Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
Re:Nice Software But...
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Anonymous Coward
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Good. The real Texans would rather have the rest of you carpetbaggers leave.
Re:Nice Software But...
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Anonymous Coward
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No, it's so the person getting the gift won't feel obligated to like it and keep it. If they like it, it will somehow get 'lost' in their collection, otherwise it gets returned. It prevents someone from coming back and saying "Hey, man, WTF were you thinking when you gave me this? Didn't anyone tell you that you have fucked up shitty tastes?". Instead they just return it and the loaner can get all warm and fuzzy about his friend being conscientious enough to bring his little shiny object back. It's the hippy mentality. Don't expect to understand it unless you smoke lots of pot.
Re:Nice Software But...
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djplurvert
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Well, it's nice that you're reading and responding to this.
The incredibles DID make me smile, but that's ONE of the reasons to go see a movie. Perhaps it's a reason to buy entertainment software like games, but a database. Sorry, your response just sounds constructed.
Now, if your software could use amazon.com to search JUST my books, in particular, JUST the indexes of MY books, then that would be useful.
I already don't have enough time to watch all films I want to watch and read all books I want to read (much worse with the books, as they take longer than 90 minutes to finish and there are more of them). And you want me to waste more of my time on organising my collection and "wanted" list? No way.:) That, and I don't have a Mac, sadly.
-- Future Wiki -- If you don't think about the future, you cannot have one.
Wil, I have just one question about this product and can't seem to find the answer anywhere - is there some way I can order the items in the library arbitrarily? I keep my CD collection in chronological order by purchase date (I'm serious) and to me, Delicious Library looks like a great solution to quickly get a digital copy of all of that information, for the very reason that you describe - to make a backed-up list so that I can replace them someday. But will my ordering system be lost?
(I realize this isn't a tech support forum but my emailed question [a different question] went unanswered, so I can imagine your company has its hands full, but if you happen to be posting here on slashdot...;)
-- "First you gotta do the truffle shuffle."
Re:Nice Software But...
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wjsdelicious
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You can't order them arbitrarily, but you can order them by any criteria in the database, and purchase date is one of the criteria.
We automatically sort by artist and then title after any sort you select, so if there are two items you buy on the same date the sub-sort will be OK.
Re:Nice Software But...
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Zhe+Mappel
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You've hit on why I haven't bought the software. For me it offers nothing that I cannot do simply by regarding my collection where it sits upon the shelves.
Now, usefulness is relative; some will swear they are getting every last penny's worth of deliciousness from their media now that it is arranged on virtual shelves, too. More power to them.
But I think the appeal of the software is more totemistic--fetishistic, even. Just as iTunes cannot fail to remind you that you've got a shitload of mp3s, Delicious Library also strokes your ego: see all my things, my pretty things, all in a row? The difference, though, is that you need iTunes; otherwise you're quite lost trying to find your songs. To "manage" your books or CDs or DVDs, you need only walk up to the shelf, take one down, and use it. Delicious Library may have its uses, but it's appealing to something a lot more primitive than keeping lists.
Sweet, sign me up. Now I just got to find some way to reformat the library to get rid of the "sample" items that were put there when I chose "try sample library" upon first installation. Thanks for responding.
-- "First you gotta do the truffle shuffle."
Re:Nice Software But...
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wjsdelicious
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Select all the shelves, hit command-A to select all items, and then press the delete key.
That'll work if you haven't put anything in. If you have added stuff (I never went the sample route, so I presume you can add to it), then try putting it into 'list' mode, instead of 'shelving' mode, and sorting by 'Lookup Time'. Everything in the sample should be at the top, because it was (obviously) 'looked up' before you started using the program.
If 'lookup time' isn't a column, click the hammer/sickle (okay, wrench, but...) in the upper right, and add Lookup Time to the list of columns you have. (By the way, that is an EXCELLENT feature, and I'm letting you (wjsdelicious) know now that I'm going to steal it (well, reimplement it at least) for my table-based Java app, to please my legions of adoring OS X fans.;)
Okay, so your legions outnumber mine... Especially since I'm one of yours...
Delicious Library absolutely rocks, by the way. Several hundred books so far, and only a few frustrations.
If I'm pounding in books using the iSight, and it can't find the covers of my 1970's SF novels, I'd very much like to be able to turn the book around, click a button, and use that handy-dandy webcam/barcode scanner as a momentary scanner, and import the picture. Plus Cmd-N, then click on the ISBN field is a bit annoying, I'd like to be able to set the default selected column on creation of a New item, so that in marathon 'indexing' sessions I can focus on pounding in ISBN numbers. I've got a thousand more books to go, so anytime in the next few weeks would be fine...:) I kid, I kid...
Seriously though, this program drove me to buy an iSight. I'd wanted one for a while, but when I learned I could catalog my roughly 2K of books, movies and games with an iSight and DL, I walked out the door to an Apple store and plopped my money down, and am quite happy with the choice, both software and hardware.
Thanks muchly!
-- Morgan Schweers, CyberFOX!
Re:Nice Software But...
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Anonymous Coward
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No, but an Arky sure as hell will. Texans may be full of shit, but at least they're true to their roots. Fake Texans like yourself ruin it for everyone, unless you like picking on them. Then they are even more fun than the real ones. I guess that's one reason they are even tolerated.
Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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MeerCat
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Especially in the financial centres of big cities it seems that Starbucks et al are not really a "coffee company", but are in fact selling very on-demand temporary office space ("Regus Lite") with free coffee as an incentive and informal time-billing system.
Anyone who's worked for a large investment bank and has tried to book an office for a quick meeting will know this is true (especially if the meeting rooms operate as a "profit centre" and so you have be recharged the costs). It's amazing how much you can find out about the state of the IT dept of a large company just by hanging out in the nearest coffee shop - are they hiring or firing, are the staff excited or bitching, what new projects are they working on.... industrial espionage was rarely so cheap.
Similarly, airports are now in the business of selling multi-day car parking and short term entertainment for an hour or two.
-- I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. - George Best
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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Saeed+al-Sahaf
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Airports? Can you tell me more?
-- "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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nuxx
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Before Sept 11 I would occasionally go hang out at the airport.
Seriously.
It was always both interesting and relaxing to head down to DTW, go grab something to munch on, and sit around watching all sorts of people come and go, aircraft taking off and landing, etc.
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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MeerCat
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Airports? Can you tell me more?
Used to be flying was expensive, but parking at the airport was cheap and you got some cheap shopping to soften the blow (in Europe in particular).
Now the flights cost virtually nothing, but suddenly it costs me more to park my car for a couple of days than it does to fly to Geneva and back. If these were inner city car parks with expensive land, I'd understand, but Stansted Airport in the UK is in the middle of nowhere.
So the airport is now making money not from the airlines (it's traditional customers) but is instead selling itself to the passengers, and looking to remove as much incidental cash as it can from their wallets as they pass thru on their "cheap flights".
Not that I'm blaming them, it's just the observation that they're sort of redefining their core business as they follow the money.
-- I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. - George Best
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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Peter+Cooper
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True, although I'd like to know how people actually get a seat at Starbucks. Do you have to get there as soon as it opens?
Whenever I've gone to a Starbucks (all of twenty times, admittedly) it's always jam packed and there's nowhere to sit. I once got a seat at a Starbucks out in a small country town. In LA? Forget it. The Starbucks in Studio City is full to capacity every time I've been there.
Luckily you can find nicer coffee shops that are emptier, but those tend not to have wireless. Oh the shame.
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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I love the feeling of the airport. If it weren't so far away from downtown Portland, I'd hang out at PDX all the time.
Well, I would have before the whole 9/11 security idiocy.
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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Fenris+Ulf
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DIA was great for this as well, but too far out of Denver to go on a lark. When flying alone I always made sure to show up an hour or two earlier than usual to stroll, people watch, and relax.
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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nuxx
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Barring one High School trip in 1995, I haven't flown with anyone else since 1991 or so. It's probably partially because of that, but I always view the flights, the travel, the meandering around airports as part of the fun of the travel. It's the enjoyment of the journey itself.
I'm sure this also has something to do with my fascination with flight when I was young, but just simply being at the airport and enjoying it all is great to me.
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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WolfWithoutAClause
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but Stansted Airport in the UK is in the middle of nowhere
It can't be! Posh and Becks live near there, and even more impressively so do *I*:-)
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-WolfWithoutAClause
"Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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I used to do this too. I would love to hang out at Dulles. I would read a book, dork around on my laptop, watch the jets, watch the people, hell even talk to the people, its amazing how friendly people are when they're sitting around in a terminal waiting to fly off on vacation.
I miss hanging out at airports, its the only place I've ever seen a teenager huddled over a laptop with a penguin sticker on it, under a payphone with an acustic coupler connected to a PCMCIA modem (this was '1997).
No I dont have a boarding pass, no I've got no luggage, passport, or destination, i just want to get through security like everyone else and munch on some cookies and coffee. Is it going to kill you that I spend my money at the airport? Fuck it, frisk me, if I'm not carying a bomb I should be allowed to get through security just like everyone else holding a ticket.
PS: I'm tired of having to say goodbye to loved ones before heading off on a trip at the curb outside because they cant wait for my plane to board in the terminal.
You know that scene in THE movie where the guy realises he loves the girl and never had the guts to tell her, and now shes at the airport waiting to board a plane to hong kong, never to see her again. And he races down the freeway at 100 MPH+ speeds just to get to the terminal and kiss her and proclaim his love? Not gonna happen.
You got a boarding pass sir?
No, but my girlfriend is about to leave for Hong Kong and I have to propose to her Step away from the checkpoint sir or I will have to escort you off the premisis FUCK!
Anyone else have any luck getting bast security checkpoint without a boarding pass? This is ridicilious.
-- Im dreaming ofa big bndwdth, That can resist the/.crowd.May ur days b merry & bright & may al
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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RzUpAnmsCwrds
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I don't know about Europe, but in Denver, there's an easy way to get around the expensive parking.
RTD (the mass transportation group) offers a service called "SkyRide". For about $10, you get round-trip service connecting the airport (DIA) with one of RTD's "Park-N-Ride" stops. The best part is that they let you park for free.
Alternately, you can use the airport's "shuttle" parking. At $5 a day, even a 20 day trip is unlikely to approach the cost of your ticket (unless you have really cheap tickets).
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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MeerCat
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It can't be! Posh and Becks live near there, and even more impressively so do *I*:-)
Well I guessed that Essex would be their spiritual home... didn't know they actually had a place there (I take it that it's a 23 bedroom holiday home or the like).
So, very OT, but if you're a local, can you tell me why the M11 between Harlow and Stansted is so full of arsehole drivers - if it was a pure "Essex driver" thing I'd expect it all the way up the M11 (I commute daily from Watford to Cambridge by the M25 and M11) - and whilst some parts of the trip get a bit tense and aggressive, nowhere do you get such the idiots like between those two junctions - surely not everyone running late for a plane joins the motorway at the same place !
Ho hum...
-- I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. - George Best
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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WolfWithoutAClause
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It's probably more to do with Harlow. I mean, have you *been* to Harlow?:-)
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-WolfWithoutAClause
"Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"
Re:Well that is the core business of coffee shops
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MeerCat
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No, I went to Hertford once for a gig at "The Marquee Club" (they wish), and that was scary enough - makes Newcastle(-Upon-Tyne) on a Saturday night look like Bloomsbury.
Never knew so many XR3's were still on the road... but also made me wish I was back in my adolescent days (in a lecherous and self-deceiving way of course).
-- I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. - George Best
Am I the only one...
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Anonymous Coward
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Who wouldn't want this? I simply have no need for it. I do not see a need for it. But hey, that's me.
Nobody knows how to link
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Anonymous Coward
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Dear story submitters.
If you're linking to a story doesn't it make sense to use those words for the link to the story?
Re:Nobody knows how to link
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Anonymous Coward
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In this case, Michael is the story submitter. Not only can't he check articles for being obvious phoney fakes, he can't even check the stuff he submits himself.
Re:Nobody knows how to link
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TomGroves
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No.
Now, 'a story on Delicious Monster' would make good sense, but 'a story' would be bad form.
Easier to go insane, yes
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Infonaut
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Wouldn't it be easier to work from home? That's what I do.
I started a company with a friend of mine three years ago. We each worked out of own homes, and met twice a week in person (at a coffee shop, natch') to be sure we were synched up. But after a while it started to become difficult for me to stay in the same damned room all day, then move over a few feet into the kitchen for dinner, a few feet over to the living room to watch a movie, and then a few feet again to go to sleep. I felt like a freakin' hamster.
When we got the chance to share office space with a couple of other guys who ran their own small companies, we jumped at the chance. Splitting the money three ways makes rent much cheaper, and we get human contact. Sometimes you don't need to have specific interaction. You just need to be around people.
That's part of the appeal of working in a coffee shop. You can focus on what you're doing, but there's enough human activity that you can also get that feeling of connectedness. When you work alone at home by yourself it's easy to feel disconnected from the rest of humanity, no matter how many IMs you get from your buddies.
But maybe it's just me. I haven't yet transcended meatspace.
Re:Easier to go insane, yes
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The irony being that you have a hamster cage sitting on your desk and the furry creature inside is still planning his revenge against the monster that put him in the dungeon and tricked him into running for hours in that little wheel.
Re:Easier to go insane, yes
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FinestLittleSpace
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it's definately a balance. for a year now ive worked in an office of 10, in a room of 3 people (including me). Increasingly though, ive grown tired of the people; depending on combinations of who's in our room at the time (people often wander in and work with someone/chat), i get different stress levels, and sometimes (very much so in the past few months) find it EXTREMELY hard to work at all with certain people in the room, or just ANYONE in the room. It's pretty much got to a point where there's 1 guy (who is having a break in a week for 2 months, phew) TOTALLY destroys any moral to work. He's just that much of a cock....heh.... loves the sound of his own voice...self righteous...everything *sigh*.
So... a few days ago i had a big deadline. I was REALLY getting concerned by my workflow (or lack of...) so i took the opportunity to work from home (i live 200 yards away, so the guys dont have a problem with it) and worked 36 hours flat (dont.. ask) because for the first time in months, i felt GENUINELY motivated. i couldnt believe how motivated i was just being able to focus without some idiot slagging me off/boosting his ego.
And that's my story. too much of one can piss you off, too little can also piss you off... and dont work with wankers, it isnt fun.
Re:Easier to go insane, yes
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I am the AC you are replying to. I agree that there are downsides to working from home, such as the ones you mention. However, different people have different needs. For me, the most important thing while I'm working is not being distracted, for example, by some dumb co-workers blabbering on and on about some nonsense among themselves, while I'm trying to concentrate, as was the case at my previous place of work.
depends kind of what you're into. it would be extremely annoying for me to work like that(in a coffee shop). I'd be putting on headphones to cut the surrounding world out so that they wouldn't bother me. if you would really rather have your own room in the office.. then at home is just as good(though, flatmates help I suppose).
just make some daily routines if you really need to, go for lunch to other side of the town. go to the same cafeteria for morning coffee and to read the newspaper.
better yet.. don't make routines. they get to you even if you work in a office. see the same people when you arrive, talk the same fluff non-content talk with them.. enough of that and the days turn to same.
I don't think I'd stay in the same cafe if I had that approach though.
-- world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Re:Easier to go insane, yes
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I back that statement completely. I used to freelance, where most of the work was done at home. The first 4 weeks was fun, I got to work in my underwear, and messy hair. The next 2 weeks were a bit depressing, and the weeks after that were just down right misserable. The next freelance job I took required me to be in the client's office like other employees, in a suit. The first 4 weeks were GREAT! I got up, took a shower, dressed up, and was out the door. Things wound down a bit, naturally, but it was still much better than working all day at home. When you work EVERY DAY at home, I find it almost impossible to wind down after work, and even harder to make a distinction between work/private time.
I no longer freelance, but if I ever do it again, I'll rent an office. Maybe not a REAL office, perhaps just a studio apartment setup as an office. Either way, I MUST get out of the house, and into a work environment. Period.
I highly esteem those that have the strong will power to be able to be productive AND have fun working at home.
Re:Easier to go insane, yes
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Different strokes for different folks. I've telecommuted for most of the last decade and I don't leave my home for months at a time. No need to. Everything I need is at my fingertips or can be ordered. That includes clothes, groceries, dinner and office supplies. Going out and working in an office and meeting people when you don't really need to is just useless distraction and hinders productivity.
Re:Easier to go insane, yes
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I second the insane reasoning.
I bought so much nice hardware to set up a home office for my contracting business (18" LCD, ergonomic keyboard tray, chair, dock, etc.), had a beautiful view of peaceful trees, and then couldn't spend more than two hours a day working there.
But the folks at the Happy Donuts in Palo Alto loved me, the shop may always be packed after midnight but it was dead during the day, just a few coders. The few coders made me feel connected. The coffee was passable too, but beware the donuts...
Re:Easier to go insane, yes
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lupin_sansei
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Interesting, did you meet the deadline okay after working 36 hours straight? (reminds me of my University days working 36 hours to complete an assignment)
Re:Easier to go insane, yes
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I like working at home exactly because I don't want to be around people. I live and work alone, and I don't even leave any instant messaging programs on. Of course, it's rather expensive to live alone, and I'm very unproductive -- I spend most of my time surfing sites like Slashdot, reading news, or repeatedly searching on Google. As much as I like money, I'd rather use it up than be productive or have to be around people.
actually no, but im proud to say that my coding for the project was REALLY REALLY neat, so it didnt do any harm work wise to do that.
The deadline was unrealistic, its a project thats gone on for months and ive just grown tired of it and felt unmotivated, so a deadline had to be set. unfortunately, even that didnt push it far enough.. so there's still a bit left to do...
Re:Easier to go insane, yes
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new500
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But maybe it's just me. I haven't yet transcended meatspace.
The only thing an anthropologist said which stuck in my mind, and apologies in advance i cannot attribute or claim truth for this:
"The only primate we see in the wild, alone, is a dead primate".
For those who have "transcended meatspace", i doubt they've equally forsaken human interaction [not that any self respecting anthro-apologist* would call/. human interaction I'm sure] but it's a poor substitute.
That said, from my own reclusive ivory tower, I personally add that whilst humans are exceptionally adept at adapting to isolation, we are in turn chronically maladept at readapting to absense of isolation, intellectually, physically or emotionally.
Thus, my serious and heartfelt advice, as someone who started a estimated 15 year project (in terms of real intellectual payoff) to those who feel comfortable now remote working or working on-line or whatever, especially if you are young (and i was young when at the incept of my project) - you don't know what you're missing. I have for very real reasons decided to take time off work, simply because I've found enough material to write a blessed *book* on the subject, and feel that's a more worthwhile pursuit now, for me, and anyone else who's intellect is strong enough to misguide their person and enforce social stringencies upon themselves.
Guys and gals, that's heartfelt, after ten years of work, almost all of it alone. No, my project is on track, but it's possible not to notice self - inflicted pain. I shall now return my heart to its rightful place and wash the blood from my sleeve:)
Anyhow, as for the coffee shop model, in London at least it'd be good for productivity. Cost of WiFi access in this city sure stops reloading your favourite websites:)
* don't you just love expanding unintentional Freudian typos?
Re:Easier to go insane, yes
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The concern I have is: surely the next time you go for a piss someone will just rob your computer. And how do you get on the Internet in a cafe?
Re:Easier to go insane, yes
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Dude, I have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to make.
The concern I have is: surely the next time you go for a piss someone will just rob your computer.
Fairly unlikely in that part of Seattle (not a lot of petty crime) and if someone did try it I suspect that co-workers, the other regulars, or the staff would try to stop the miscreant.
And how do you get on the Internet in a cafe?
Free wireless internet provided by the cafe.
It really is quite common here, not to mention all of the places that will provide wi-fi for a fee.
-- Happy Fun Ball is for external use only.
Re:Easier to go insane, yes
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At least they don't play Lite-FM ALL day at your office. I got home last Thursday and was untying my shoes and began to contemplate the music I've been subjected to 4 days a week, and I nearly cried. Such is the travesty of an auditory sensation I endure. I prefer the hum of the air ducts and the whine of my computer in it's relative silence...
It's not as good as it sounds
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I run four companies from my local coffee shop. Sit in the back with my powerbook and always look like I'm waiting for someone to show up. But the downside is that you can easily be tempted into vanilla lattes every hour, which costs as much as a 15th-floor corner office, and will likely get me a kidney transplant in five years.
Now if only I had products I sold that earned money, I'd be breaking even...
Unfortunately Starbucks 'office-space' sucks as much as their coffee, the sofas are always filthy, the tables rarely cleaned and the decor is er.. shit. But its good enough when you're in a shopping street and desperate for somewhere to sit inside and more comfortable than McDonalds..
-- This comment does not represent the views or opinions of the user.
If you don't like Starbucks, you could also try... a library. Or my personal favorite, the lobby of a hotel that has free wireless. Thank you, Courtyard by Marriot! When I was finishing a major project in 2003, I hung out daily in the Courtyard a few minutes from my office. No one who worked there cared (or seemed to notice), the Internet access was fast, and if someone needed me I could be at the office in five minutes, but I wasn't constant getting interupted. I paid them back by making sure we always put up contractors there vs. other hotels in the area.
If you don't like Starbucks, you could also try... a library. Or my personal favorite, the lobby of a hotel that has free wireless.
Or the lobby of a bank is usually good for a quick bit of work (no meetings mind you) or taking mobile hone calls somewhere quiet and dry.
They provide tables and chairs, pens and paper and they're quiet - just walk in sit down, grab a few forms and pull out your cheque book, then you "get distracted" by the phone or your PC or whatever... if my phone rings in a busy street I always look round for a bank first...
-- I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. - George Best
They're not USB, so I'm not sure how you would hook it up to a Mac. I suppose if you had a USB serial adapter, with some clever driver hacking, it would likely work.
Not true. I have 3 USB CueCats. I believe they were introduced a little later after they realized what a horrendously bad idea it was asking people to unplug their mouse or keyboard to free up a PS2 port!
Anyway, they show up under XP as a standard "Human Input Device," like a USB keyboard. I imagine they would work on Macs too.
Wow, that sounds like a question they must get asked frequently. Quoting from the FAQ:
Can I use my CueCat or other USB barcode scanner with Delicious Library?
Delicious Library should support any USB barcode scanner that sends data in the same fashion as a keyboard. The CueCat scanner does not fall into this category, but the following instructions allow you to modify the CueCat to be more compatible.
How to modify your CueCat barcode scanner (1965 USB Models): The USB models has an onboard 16 pin SMD component. This IC will have a serial number on it similar to the following sequence: K130A033 HMS91C7316 0027. Simply lift pin 5 on this device. Congratulations, your USB CueCat is now functioning as a commercial barcode scanner.
I don't believe Delicious Library does, but http://www.bruji.com/dvdpedia/ does. The interface isn't as nice, and it only does DVDs, but you can use CueCats, it gets more DVD information, and it's cheaper. The company sells two other organizers, CDpedia and Bookpedia, and if you buy all 3 in a bundle, they discount it to $1 cheaper than Delicious Library.
Can I use my CueCat or other USB barcode scanner with Delicious Library?
Delicious Library should support any USB barcode scanner that sends data in the same fashion as a keyboard. The CueCat scanner does not fall into this category, but the following instructions allow you to modify the CueCat to be more compatible.
How to modify your CueCat barcode scanner (1965 USB Models): The USB models has an onboard 16 pin SMD component. This IC will have a serial number on it similar to the following sequence: K130A033 HMS91C7316 0027. Simply lift pin 5 on this device. Congratulations, your USB CueCat is now functioning as a commercial barcode scanner.
I have a few boxes of the PS/2 ones, as well as a couple of the newer USB ones... get to be friends with a Radioshack Manager, and you can get them as well. I had some thought to E-Bay them... but I'm too lazy to A) set up an E-Bay account, and B) mail them out *grin*
Uh oh, now that it's been slashdotted we can expect a lawsuit from Monster Cables any time now...
Decentralisation-"Friends".
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"Office building?! HR Manager?! What horrors we suffer in the name of success...."
The slings and arrows, of the outraged, who don't share our fortune.
and CEO gets 95% dollars
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Dont forget the hardworkers get a dime, while the CEO/leader walks away with millions because his equity was 95%+.
Its one thing to have controlling interests (>50%) share, but its another quite evil thing to USE your employees to make yourself filthy rich, then sell out, sack the employees and leave em to dry while the CEO walks away super uber rich with 10 lifetimes of assets/money.
-- Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Re:and CEO gets 95% dollars
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does... not... compute.
if you own 95% of the company it is safe to say that it is a privatly owned company, in which case you should quit if you don't like it. if i owned 95% of a company i think i can pretty much do whatever the hell i want to do. since i invested a whole lot of money in it.
as for the standard fuck the corporate pig statement, you should quit and move in with the amish. you won't be faced by the stresses of a 40 hour/week rat race. no one ever said it would be easy, but when you are 50 something and smart and clever enough to make something of yourself, you tell me how you feel about getting paid like the average employee. the incentive is to be the guy that does the fucking, otherwise you'll just be the douche that get's ass fucked for 30 years, pissed off at the world and thinking of the glorious days of the ol' where people lived until their 40's with a steel boot of a 'lord' up their ass.
I'm so confused these days. I thought that we're supposed to be doing what we love and enjoying it. Why do asshats like you have to come along and make it hard? Why can't we do what we love for companies that appreciate our work and who are as loyal to us as we are to them?
-- If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
Re:and CEO gets 95% dollars
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That's+Unpossible!
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Dont forget the hardworkers get a dime, while the CEO/leader walks away with millions because his equity was 95%+
You know how to solve that?
Open your own company and stop complaining.
That is the beauty of a free market.
-- Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
Re:and CEO gets 95% dollars
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no, he wouldn't want to move in with the amish because they would actually make him work. no 8hr days of office work, more like 12+hr days of 19th century style manual labor.
Re:and CEO gets 95% dollars
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Anonymous Coward
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But you need the capital reserves to code with the buddy system (you and the patent clerk to check you aren't infringing).
Re:and CEO gets 95% dollars
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LeninZhiv
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Explain again why this is a good thing, if those who tweak the system to their advantage are rewarded at the expense of those who work hard and excel at what they do?
Re:and CEO gets 95% dollars
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tweaking the system is hard work and it is what they do
Re:and CEO gets 95% dollars
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Because it's an investment. The employees have invested time, which they are being compensated for. The owner of the company likely invested a lot more time before the employees were ever around, money, and the drive to see it done. Being an employee is low risk, and therefore has lower returns. This is how the economy works in general. It's the same with the stock market. The more of a risk you're willing to take, the bigger your returns, or your losses will be. I personally see no problem with that.
Re:and CEO gets 95% dollars
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Problem is that only to get started (e.g. venture capital) you must "know people". If you don't "know people" your chances are pretty low to get funding.
Now how do you get to "know people" or rather the "right" people? From my expirience you'd better either have the "right" parents or.. die.
Rich on rich, old story.
CEOs of most (post-bubble) startup companies that I know won't suffer too bad when it breaks down. Sure, reputation is gone, but daddy will find them a cuddly job in "middle management" while sissy gets over it.
I'm posting as AC because this story applies to the startup company I'm employed at right now as well as to the one that I was on before this.
You don't need a clue to get venture capital. You only need the right parents and provide proof to the investors that you're doing your best to squeeze the last bit of life out of your employees. Nobody cares whether the model makes no sense or the processes are all backwards. All that matters is "dedication", the investors want to see some sweat for their money.
So, yes, I see some problems with our system.
Re:and CEO gets 95% dollars
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Kent+Recal
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Why can't we do what we love for companies that appreciate our work and who are as loyal to us as we are to them?
Where do I sign?
Re:and CEO gets 95% dollars
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mOdQuArK!
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The more of a risk you're willing to take, the bigger your returns, or your losses will be.
Huh - that must explain the multimillion dollar executive contracts, with golden parachutes - 'cause they're willing to take the risks.
I agree that it is much easier for the rich to stay rich, but there there are many examples of Start-ups (that make it) created by people from "average" (non-rich) famlies.
Take a look at Martin Neath, Steve Jobs (father a machinist for a company that manufactured lasers; mother an accountant), Herb Kelleher [Southwest Airlines] (father was general manager of Campbell Soup Co), etc.
Even Steve Balmer's father was just a manager at Ford. You could say that Pierre Omidyar [eBay] had a backup since his father was a physician, but he was not some large business owner or have lots of investments (eg. he had money made as a doctor).
Most of these people and thousands of other succesfull CEOs/Entrepreneurs have made it because of who they are. They have the drive and the instinct and the luck to make it happen. Luck is a huge part of it... but you should read about "Making your own luck". A great magazine showing company after company created by the average Joe is Inc.
I am not saying that there are not tons of companies created or ran by CEOs from rich (and possibly corrupt) familes, just that being a succesful start-up/CEO/entrepreneur does not require coming from a rich/well-to-do family. I would say that quite a few of the companies that are corrupt have been "taken over" by corrupt people. Look at Wal-Mart for instance. Sam Walton had to work hard to pay is own way through college, and worked hard later creating the company. His father was a farm loan appraiser (after being a farmer). What type of risk do the current owners have? They fit your profile, but not Sam Walton, the founder.
I believe most people do not have the desire and drive to make it. So you have a smaller portion of people that would actually become company founders and CEOs. Of those you can find different degrees of morals and ethics... You also have the "well-to-do" families that can give there family members a "boost" into a high-up position. That family member may not have had the desire before... but it can actually "grow" in you as you are moving through the motions (this can happen just by being around entrepreneurs repeatly). Unfortunetly when you are "given" a position w/o working hard for it there can be a large lack of appreciation and responsibility. This can happen no matter what, but is much more likely when you "have it easy".
This is pretty long winded, so I will step off my soap box and leave it at that.
Why do you consider it tweaking the system? The point of the system is to encourage people to take risks and build new businesses to hire people and create new products and services.
If you don't like the fact that the CEOs make more money than you do, create your own company and be your own CEO.
People who don't take risks, and simply work hard and "excel" at what they do can earn good money, presuming they don't expect the system to take care of them, and are willing to update their skills if the demand for their skills goes away.
However, those that take risks will have the chance to get great rewards.
-- Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
Re:and CEO gets 95% dollars
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While I agree that knowing the right people is a very large determining factor in your success, your parents don't need to be successful for this to happen. It is quite possible to meet and picque the interest of these people without going through parents. You can always go through friends, as well as friends of friends. Your network is likely larger than you think. Go out, meet people. If someone wants to start a company, needs capital, and is not doing it because they think the people who gave birth to them are holding them back, then doing themselves a disservice and are lacking the drive necessary to see their goals accomplished.
Similiar Software.
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jwcorder
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There is a similiar version of this software for DVDs that runs on the PC platform. http://www.intervocative.com. Even has a free version. Doesn't do books, cds, or games, but I love it for my 500+ DVD collection.
-- http://jayceecorder.blogspot.com
Re:Similiar Software.
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Or Readerware, http://www.readerware.com/. Been around for years. Works with Books, Music, DVD. Runs on Linux, Windows, Mac, Palm. Even works with my old Cuecat:-)
Easier to go insane, yes-Online Psychosis.
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Anonymous Coward
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"But maybe it's just me. I haven't yet transcended meatspace."
Actually it is you. And I don't mean that in a bad way. Simply everyone's requirements are different. Something to keep in mind as the internet (and it's 'new business models') intrude ever more in our lives.
Re:Delicious Library is a great start on a product
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Many customer empowering features and overall refinement. It also leverages the best of what Mac OS X has to offer developers.
You don't happen to work in marketing do you? Or did you just read that on the side of the box?
Mac: A nice system but....
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... also a complete, utter waste of time.
I have to admit that I bought the powerbook because I am a developer and because Apple did a really nice job in terms of look and feel. I did some coding work on it, and it is no different then if I would have done it on my previous computer. And I can pat myself in the back. And that is about it.
The fact that a useless shiny computer (and products in general) that does not make you nicer, more knowledgeable, or more intelligent can generate so much revenue is beyond common sense. But the saddest part is that I am actually contributing to that trend.
-- badness 10000
Re:Mac: A nice system but....
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right I've had one martini too many... I almost took that seriously... but then my sarcasm switch turned on.:-)
Oh and I sadly also contribute to the trend...
Re:Mac: A nice system but....
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Anonymous Coward
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I've had one martini too many...I almost took that serious
martinis and slashdot, omg.
And one wonders why the "NO/. ANYMORE" campaign is gaining steam....?
Delicious Library is one of the few applications not created by Apple that I've purchased. There have been others, but none have been nearly as amazing a purchase as DL.
Honestly, it doesn't matter to me in what fashion they create the software, just that they create it. I actually visit that Zoka's quite a bit, but usually later at night or early in the morning. Aren't they scared of crazed fans pestering them with The Next Big Thing (tm)?
Lloyds of London started the same way
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jdfox
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The famous Lloyd's of London insurance group started out in Lloyd's coffee house in the late 1600s. This bodes well for Delicious Monster.:)
Excerpts from the book "Against the Gods" by Peter Bernstein: "One afternoon in 1637 * a Cretan scholar named Canopius sat down in his chambers at Balliol College, Oxford, and made himself a cup of strong coffee. Canopius's brew is believed to mark the first time coffee was drunk in England; it proved so popular when it was offered to the public that hundreds of coffee houses were soon in operation all over London.
What does Canopius's coffee have to do with * the concept of risk? Simply that a coffee house was the birthplace of Lloyd's of London, which for more than two centuries was the most famous of all insurance company's. *
The second half of the seventeenth century was also an era of burgeoning trade. The Dutch were the predominant commercial power of the time, and England was their main rival. Ships arrived daily from colonies and suppliers around the globe to unload a profusion of products that had once been scarce or unknown luxuries-sugar and spice, coffee and tea, raw cotton and fine porcelain. * Information from remote areas of the world was now of crucial importance to the domestic economy. With the volume of shipping constantly expanding, there was a lively demand for current information with which to estimate sailing times between destinations, weather patterns, and the risks lurking in unfamiliar seas.
In the absence of mass media, the coffee houses emerged as the primary source of news and rumour. In 1675, Charles II, suspicious as many rulers are of places where the public trades information, shut the coffee houses down, but the uproar was so great that he had to reverse himself sixteen days later. Samuel Pepys frequented a coffee house to get news of the arrival of ships he was interested in; he deemed the news he received there to be more reliable than what he learned at his job at the Admiralty.
The coffee house that Edward Lloyd opened in 1687 near the Thames on Tower Street was a favourite haunt of men from the ships that moored at London's docks. The house was "spacious, well built and inhabited by able tradesmen" according to a contemporary publication. It grew so popular that in 1691 Lloyd moved it to much larger and more luxurious quarters on Lombard Street. Nat Ward, a publican whom Alexander Pope accused of trading vile rhymes for tobacco, reported that the tables in the new house were "very neat and shined with rubbing." A staff of five served tea and sherbet as well as coffee.
Lloyd had grown up under Oliver Cromwell and he had lived through plague, fire, the Dutch invasion up the Thames in 1667, and the Glorious Revolution of 1688. He was a lot more than a skilled coffeehouse host. Recognizing the value of his customer base and responding to the insistent demand for information, he launched "Lloyd's List" in 1696 and filled it with information on the arrivals and departures of ships and intelligence on conditions abroad and at sea. That information was provided by a network of correspondents in major ports on the Continent and in England. Ship auctions took place regularly on the premises, and Lloyd obligingly furnished the paper and ink needed to record the transactions. One corner was reserved for ships' captains where they could compare notes on the hazards of all the new routes that were opening up - routes that led them farther east, farther south, and farther west than ever before. Lloyd's establishment was open almost around the clock and was always crowded.
Then as now, anyone who was seeking insurance would go to a broker, who would then hawk the risk to the individual risk-takers who gathered in the coffee houses or in the precincts of the Royal Exchange. When a deal was closed, the risk-taker would confirm his agreement to cover the loss in return for a specified premium by writing his name
My stupid Seattle Coffee Shop story...
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writermike
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I'm a Starbucks geek. (Yes, I think there is such a beast.) I go there almost daily. I bring people in to try new products. I have a card. I even read Howard Schultz's book. So, I was pretty excited when my wife and I visited Seattle about three years ago. We saw the original site, of course. We even visited the huge headquarters building. (Does anyone else find that Starbucks figurehead peering over the building just a little creepy?)
For those of you who haven't read Schultz's book, Starbucks and Peet's are linked in their history. Many folks say that it was really Alfred Peet who introduced Schultz to the darker, Full City roast that Starbucks finally used for their coffees.
Well, having read the book about the history, I wanted to see Peet's, too. There weren't any in New Orleans, where I lived at the time.
I visited one near the city center and I was immediately struck by the similarity in decor and layout between Peets and Starbucks. I mentioned this to the attendant.
It's true! Icy glares do send a chill down your spine.
I came to understand later the local rivalry between the companies that harkens all the way back to when Peet left Starbucks. Somehow Schultz didn't mention this. I can't believe it!;-)
-- If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
You like Star Bucks, the Canadian equal is Tim Hortons, abench mark in Canadian coffee houses.
Watch out Star Bucks Wendy's now share in Tim's coffee business, and crossing the border. That Dave is on a roll. By the way Star Bucks in Canada are very clean and great service. I find it great watching the coffee giants go head to head.
Come on, everything about Starbucks is just a bit creepy, the way they took the laid back Seattle coffee-house, encapsulated it into hyper-efficient soulless corporate package, and watched (with tight-lipped smiles) as the world collapsed quivering at their feet.
They're like McDonald's, not really where you wanted to go, but um, gee, soooo convenient (they even have a branch by my house, which is just about the least fashionable neighborhood ever). I go there too, but inevitably end up slightly creeped out by the way every branch is precisely the same as every other branch, and the way clerks respond to any question about their coffee with slightly irrelevant and clearly rote-memorized answers (ask for clarification, and watch them repeat word for word!).
Unfortunately for the forces of good, Starbucks has an almost irresistible feature: they're entirely non-smoking (I live in a place where "real" cafes are inevitably filled with cigarette smoke; man, isn't one drug at a time enough?!?).
Come on, everything about Starbucks is just a bit creepy, the way they took the laid back Seattle coffee-house, encapsulated it into hyper-efficient soulless corporate package, and watched (with tight-lipped smiles) as the world collapsed quivering at their feet.
Largely I agree with you. But here's the thing: I don't like the fact that many independent coffeehouses lack quality control and that the coffee you buy tomorrow may not be the same as the coffee you buy today.
Yes, I realize that I am, as you say, quivering at the feet of a corporation (we can quibble on soulless), but I like consistancy. Of course, many independently owned coffee shops do well at quality control, but I've not found any and, quite frankly, I don't have the time or care to look.
-- If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
I know what you mean, I work at a college campus coffee house, there isn't a starbucks within 20 miles of here (*crosses fingers and hopes it stays that way*). We got THREE other coffee shops opening up in our town, and they still can't beat us for service. Granted we are selling Seattle's best which is now owned by starbucks, but we don't do venti, grande, etc. Its 12, 16 or 20 oz, small medium large. When customers would come in and ask for a venti, we reply we don't speak starbucks.
Anyway, yah, starbucks is creepy, I rarely drink coffee anymore, and find that the smaller places that actually have people you can get to know tend to have better coffee, maybe its the tears of the "free trade" worker's children on the beans that sour the taste of starbucks coffee for me.
I wonder if you like to consistently misspell that word too.
Yes, pretty offen.
-- If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
Re:My stupid Seattle Coffee Shop story...
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ces
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Some independent coffee shops are very good though. Here in Seattle in addition to Zoka mentioned in the article we have Diva, Uptown, Vita, Allegro, among others. Any of them are a far cut above what Starbucks or the other chains put out.
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Re:My stupid Seattle Coffee Shop story...
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ces
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You have your history a bit wrong.
Peet's was first being founded by Alfred Peet in 1966.
Starbucks was founded by Jerry Baldwin (current CEO of Peet's), Gordon Bowker (also a co-founder of Red Hook Ale and The Seattle Weekly), and Zev Siegel who were all fans of Peet's coffee. Peet essentially taught them everything they knew about buying, roasting, brewing, and selling gourmet specialty coffee.
Howard Schultz didn't join the company until 1982 when he became the company's marketing manager (he esssentially lobbied Baldwin, Bowker, and Siegel for the job).
In 1984 the owners of Starbucks jumped at the chance to buy Peet's (Peet was retiring).
In 1985 Schultz left Starbucks to pursue his vision of Milanese style espresso bars by founding Il Giornale. He received considerable help from Baldwin and Bowker, both financial and in retailing and marketing advice.
In 1987 Baldwin and Bowker decided they wanted to sell Starbucks. Bowker wanted to focus on Red Hook and Baldwin wanted to focus on Peet's. Schultz made the winning bid for Starbucks and merged it with Il Giornale. The rest they say is history.
Schultz hired the founder of Seattle's Cafe Allegro to be Il Giornale's retail operations manager. He continues to serve as a Starbucks executive to this day.
Jim Stewart founded The Wet Whisker in 1970, which was later known as Stewart Brother's Coffee, then SBC, then as Seattle's Best Coffee. SBC's parent company Seattle Coffee Company was acquired by Starbucks in 2003. Stewart was also influenced and mentored by Alfred Peet.
Jerry Baldwin continues to serve as Director of Peet's Coffee & Tea. Baldwin's prior association with Starbucks probably explains some of the ill will between the two companies.
There are here in Boston, too, especially on Newbury St.
I just don't get out there often. It's a failing on my part, I know.
-- If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
This reminds me of some OTHER software...
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Tuxedo+Jack
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One of the software's niftiest features is its ability to use a video camera to read a product's bar code, which is used to fetch product details from the net.
Remember the CueCat? That which scanned items and barcodes and transmitted them out over the 'Net to marketers? No offense, but I really don't think that open profiles with scanned barcode data for individual people won't be exploited somehow.
Good idea, guys, but unless the profile information is inaccessible to robots, the consumer gets the shaft.
--
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Re:This reminds me of some OTHER software...
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SteeldrivingJon
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Uh, no.
CueCat was about reading stupid little faux-barcodes, which were specific to the CueCat, and would be printed in magazine ads (and ads posing as articles, as you find in Wired and similar consumer goods whore magazines).
Kinda different.
The use of the CueCat to scan generic barcodes was a hack, and not the intended purpose of the device.
-- September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area
Cocoa Programmer
Quincy, MA
Re:This reminds me of some OTHER software...
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wjsdelicious
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I'm not sure what you mean by "inaccessible to robots"? Like, are you calling marketing people "robots," or are you talking about, like, SkyNet?
Delicious Library just queries Amazon with a barcode and they send back a product description. Nothing identifying the user is sent to Amazon. It's all in our FAQ.
In version 2.0, you'll (hopefully) have the option of sharing your collection with other users if you'd like. Possibly the robot stalkers you speak of will attempt to get this data from the users who have volunteered to share it, but that's the risk you run in building a community.
We could also all board up our windows, because someone could drive by and see what kind of furniture we like. I choose not to.
Re:This reminds me of some OTHER software...
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TheRaven64
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I really don't understand this attitude. I get constantly bombarded by adverts, 99% of which are completely irrelevant. I would much rather just see the half a dozen or so that might actually be interesting to me than have my time constantly wasted by things that aren't. I'm sure companies buying advertising feel the same way, since it's a waste of their money to show me advertising for products that I don't buy.
OMG! They don't have an actual office! And this is worthy of the front page? I mean, seriously.. There are countless small companies out there who don't have an office. Or is it because they're in the Seattle area, the home of over-priced coffee and pastries. that this is considered so cool?
I work for a small company. 2 people in Manitoba, Canada; 4 in VIrginia, 1 in Rhode Island.
I work from home some days; I seldom work with 'coworkers'. So, in many ways the article isn't a big deal to me; but to some people the idea of working all day in a coffee shop at their dream job (Programming) sounds pretty good.
Really though, the article is a puff-piece meant to attract business to the company.
Re:Wow..
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Anonymous Coward
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I want to make this very clear. Our company is not about working at a coffee shop, or being a casual "start up", this stuff does not matter. It is just the place we find our selves today. The things that do matter are our products, the ideas and inspiration behind them. Sure, in 10 years we might find our selves wearing suites and working in a high-rises building or maybe we will find our selves where swim suites working on the beach in Hawaii. Where ever we find our selves it does not matter. What does matter is that we keep rethinking and questioning everything we do and keep putting all of our creativity and passion into creating things that are as close to perfections as nature will let us get. If we are still doing that in 10 years the rest will fall into place as it should.
I've never worn a suite. Seems like it'd be kind of heavy and awkward... Seriously, so many people here claim to be so smart, and make so much money, and maybe they are, and maybe they do - but... Why can't anyone spell anymore, or use even simple grammar? It's very irritating to read.
Is that the Delicious Monster booth was empty on the last day of Macworld, looks like they got bored and packed up a day early so no one was there on Friday.
Re:Funny part....
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Anonymous Coward
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I got a Laplander for a gift. It is available from Levenger. One of the best tech related gifts I have ever gotten. No nut burning going on here.
-- Having done so much with so little for so long, I now can do anything with nothing at all.
"We work eight hours a day."
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scovetta
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"We work eight hours a day."
Damn, I want their job. Only 8 hours a day? Do they mean 7 days a week?
-- Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
Re:"We work eight hours a day."
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wjsdelicious
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Eight hours at the coffee shop, on average. I'm usually there every day. I also work from home, and from restaurants; my laptop goes with me everywhere. I'm the life of the party, yes sir.
Mike and I pretty much are always working on our company -- even when we're watching movies, we'll be thinking of ways to solve the problems we're hitting.
Part of the idea here is that you don't have to lock your company in a building and turn a key and say goodnight to it every night. We've incorporated it into almost all of our normal lives. That, for me, is the core point of the 'coffee shop as office' meme.
Re:"We work eight hours a day."
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scovetta
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I guess that was just my bad attempt at, "oh poor us"-style/. humor. Actually, I think that's really cool, if I often go to Panera Bread or Borders to get reading/work done when I can't do it at the office. Nice music, sort of quiet, coffee, just a great environment.
-- Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
get a telecommuting job, move to an island off Athens.
-- Wow, I should not post when knackered.
It's really not that unique
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digitalgimpus
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If you really think about it.. there's quite a few software developers without an office.
The Mac community has some great shareware developers. Some work out of their own homes. No office, no staff. Just their own place.
Some collaborate online. Look at all the open source products now. Not all have their own office (like the Mozilla Foundation). Quite a few projects are 100% virtual.
I think this model will have even more of an impact in the next 10-15 years. It's not really necessary for someone who programs all day to have an office to themselves... it's wasteful.
It's perfectly acceptable for such an employee to work from home, or any other environment, and perhaps spend 1 day, or perhaps 2 afternoons a week in the office. You can then used shared work space and cut down on costs.
With the availability of high speed connections, VPN's for secure network access, VoIP providers providing cheap phone access....
the only thing is human interaction. And even that. Think about how often your actually "need". A few meetings a week. Now how many of those can't be done over the phone?
Really, only a much smaller sum of work needs to be done at the office.
Provided good management skills are used, to keep employees on target, and on time... there's nothing wrong with a virtual company.
In fact... it's much more efficient.
Don't forget the time you save people. If you work 1 day in the office a week, that's only 2 commutes (one each way). With an average commute time of a little under an hour (being generious). That's several hours a week that an employee can then use to either conduct work, or extra family time (or time at the strip club).
Why not hire the guy who lives in Kansas when the office is in NYC? If he's good, it's great. You can teleconfrence him in, and fly him in for a day or two every several weeks. He can work from home, and code just like the guys in the office. You don't need office space (which in a city like NYC, just a few square feed for a cubicle is expensive). Just pay his office phone, DSL/Cable line, and send him some hardware.
Wiki's, Bugzilla-like systems, Intranet Portals, Email, VoIP, they all make it much easier to do.
Virtual Companies will be playing more and more of a role in the future. Especially true for IT jobs. Since they are very easy to do remotely.
How about an inventory for insurance?
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Mikito
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A product like this seems ideal to me for making an inventory of stuff for insurance purposes.
I do wonder just how comprehensive the data lookup is. If you have a lot of stuff from other countries or that's out-of-print, I wonder if it would still show up with this software.
-- Anakin Simpson: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy--ooh, donuts!
Probably just another astrotufer....
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Anonymous Coward
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It looks like "Delicious Library" is doing some astroturfing here. The reason this made the news was because of the Apple connection, now if this involved a Windows developer we wouldn't have been posted.
Re:Probably just another astrotufer....
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Anonymous Coward
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Of course. Windows is evil. Linu[x|s] is god incarnate. Apple is a sympathetic other.
Don't you worry, as soon as they have serious money in the bank, they'll be sued by Monster Cable for everything they have or licensing fees.
-- moo.
Three of the four worked for OmniGroup
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Anonymous Coward
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A few people have mentioned that Mike Matas and Wil Shipley used to work for OmniGroup (event though the picture on the wired article calls him Shipman... I've met him a few times and I'm pretty sure it is Shipley). Tim Omernick also worked for OmniGroup. He went by Tim2 because there were 2 Tims;-) Back when I met him at WWDC 2001, I think he was only 18, and he had been at Omni for 3-4 years. As for the fourth member, Drew Hamlin, he's not an Omni alum as far as I can tell... he's some RB coder / web designer turned tech support person for the company. All three of the developers are straight from OmniGroup though. I'm glad to see them working on more awesome software, but that raises an interesting question - what is to become of Omni with all of this talent leaving, and why are they leaving?
Re:Three of the four worked for OmniGroup
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Anonymous Coward
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Well, its not like they have moved all that far away. Zoka is literally right next door to Omni. I have to admit to having pirated an Omni parking spot on just a couple of occasions while getting coffee at Zoka.
Zoka, incidently is not anything like Starbucks. It's a fairly large space with a lot of tables, I think it has a lot more seating than the huge Starbucks in the mall next door. Usually the place is crowded, but its also quiet, a lot more quiet than the average Starbucks. Just about everyone in there is hunkered down over a laptop. But I had no idea that major software development was happening right there. (Then again, I'm usually there long before 10:00 AM.) The things you learn about your own neighborhood on Slashdot.
Re:Three of the four worked for OmniGroup
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ces
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I think Wil explains it elsewhere in this thread.
Basicly it sounds like Wil and Mike wanted to pursue some things that the rest of Omni wasn't interested in so they spun off their own company.
I suspect that if Wil, Mike, and Tim wanted to return to Omni they would be welcomed back.
-- Happy Fun Ball is for external use only.
Re:Three of the four worked for OmniGroup
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wjsdelicious
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Heh.
Re:Three of the four worked for OmniGroup
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ces
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Then again maybe not...
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OT wordnazi nitpicking
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Anonymous Coward
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From dictionary.com: Usage Note: Kudos is one of those words like congeries that look like plurals but are etymologically singular. Acknowledging the Greek history of the term requires Kudos is (not are) due her for her brilliant work on the score. But kudos has often been treated as a plural, especially in the popular press, as in She received many kudos for her work. This plural use has given rise to the singular form kudo. These innovations follow the pattern whereby the English words pea and cherry were shortened from nouns ending in an (s) sound (English pease and French cerise), that were mistakenly thought to be plural. The singular kudo remains far less common than the plural use; both are often viewed as incorrect in more formal contexts. It is worth noting that even people who are careful to treat kudos only as a singular often pronounce it as if it were a plural. Etymology would require that the final consonant be pronounced as a voiceless (s), as we do in pathos, another word derived from Greek, rather than as a voiced (z).
Like it or not, the language is evolving, and I would hardly consider/. to be a "more formal context," so if we take the poles out of our wordnazi asses we'll have to admit that kudo is now a word, even though it sounds more to me like an idiotic bite-sized ice cream treat than an accolade. Never did like the word. If we ignore it, do you suppose it might eventually go away? (Even still, I'd rather see kudo granted official word status before thru, lite, nite, or any such awful bastardization.)
Re:OT wordnazi nitpicking
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Anonymous Coward
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But kudos has often been treated as a plural, especially in the popular press
Since when has "in the popular press" equated with "factually correct"?
Like it or not, the language is evolving
The usual tired cliché from people who can't spell and don't know what words mean.
so if we take the poles out of our wordnazi asses
Way to overreact. Aren't we even allowed to take the piss (or is that pis) out of semi-literate oiks anymore?
Back in 1994, I hung out a lot at a Chicago coffee house. I asked the owner for, and received, permission to do something super geeky.
I bought a NeXTStation mono, and stored it in the basement office of the shop. I'd bring in an external SCSI drive, haul the slab and its 17" monitor out of the basement, and set up on a wee little cafe table that was just big enough for the slab, keyboard, mouse, the hard drive, and a mug of coffee.
Didn't have any cool Delicious Monster apps to work on, though...
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Re:Bah, that's nothing...
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Anonymous Coward
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Some geek at the Lake Rancho Santa Margarita Starbucks kept showing up with a laptop, external (wired) keyboard, mouse, 5.1 surround speakers, force-feedback joystick, ancient giant camcorder, external disk drives, cables all over hell's half acre (the tiny starbucks table) and an outdoor 50' power cord to keep it all running. Oh, and he would sit outside the front doors so everyone had to deal with it going in and out. They finally took down their "T-Mobile HotSpot" sticker and switched off their router --that was a year ago. They just don't give a fuck. So don't be doing this boys and girls or you will get the shopkeeper pissed.
I am thinking about buying it.
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rich3rd
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So you don't like it. Is the license transferable? If so, I'll give you $20US for your reg code, then you can delete your copy...
(BTW, lending out some titles from your vast DVD collection to [friends] might be one way that the software could help make you nicer. Just a thought...)
Re: shipping things UPS
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wjsdelicious
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We have a fulfillment center in Olympia for the scanners and we have a FedEx Kinko's a block away for other shipments.
I see we have it all wrong
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museumpeace
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I used to think that software companies were
exuses for drinking coffee...but by the time I
got through installing a burr grinder and $400
espresso machine next to my terminal at work, I
realized that it would not be so odd to have a
coffee shop that was an excuse for writing
software...hope they succeed because I can
apply for work there.
-- SLASHDOT: news for people who can't concentrate on work or have no life at all and got tired of yelling back at the TV.
Re:I see we have it all wrong
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wjsdelicious
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Being an espresso snob is very expensive. The machine back at Omni cost us $1500 on close-out, and I think it kind of sucks, now.
The two La Marzoccos at Zoka cost, no kidding, something over $20,000 each. (They are re-tuned by hand once they come in the United States to be even more frou-frou.) Their entire water supply is run through an enormous Cuno water filter. They roast their own beans (which they sell as far away as Japan) and train baristas from all over the country. Their baristas consistently place tops in the national tournaments.
Seriously, you have to try an extra-foamy mocha here. Imagine drinking coffee-meringue-pie!
Re:I see we have it all wrong
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museumpeace
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Sounds cool. Not sure why they modded you FUNNY...coffee is not good unless you get serious about it. Whenever the VC's wanted to drop in
on the sundry starups for which I have toiled, we
always had to think of some nice place to take them for lunch since the shop is always a shambles...you guys have a nice solution for that problem: suggest that you all "go out" for coffee.
Water: I have well water that tests out like bottled spring water, i.e. enough hardness to gum up a steam toy in three months. I put two Cuno whole-house filter systems with bypass valves in parallel where the pump feeds into the house so I can change filters even while the water is running.
Beans: George Howell roasts the best I have ever had and he is local for me.
-- SLASHDOT: news for people who can't concentrate on work or have no life at all and got tired of yelling back at the TV.
Re:I see we have it all wrong
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spir0
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forgive my ignorance, but could you please clarify a few things?
I have no idea what frou-frou and baristas are. maybe they're Americanisms, but I've just never heard the terms before.
ta.
-- The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
Is to have someone riding shotgun to watch your laptop while you hit the bathroom and vent some of that coffee.
It looks dorky (at best) and perverted (at worst) to be walking into a public bathroom carrying a laptop.
-- September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area
Cocoa Programmer
Quincy, MA
Re:The important thing...
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Anonymous Coward
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Kensington Notebook Chain....metal Starbucks table...and a newspaper. It also helps to encrypt your home directory, since you can boot PowerBooks up as external diskdrives to other laptops and do a disk-to-disk in a few seconds.
I have a question - if you have regular meetings with people that you are doing consulting projects with, and want to meet with a prospective client or possible supplier of some component, how do they react to meeting yourself and colleagues in a coffee house insted of a "regular office"?
Does anyone (the subjects of this article, or anyone else with experience) have any comments? I am genuinely interested.
Thank you,
Sam
Re:Meetings...
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wjsdelicious
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Our whole company is predicated on doing things differently, so when we're meeting with clients it's sort of our badge of courage to tell them to meet us at the Zoka.
I don't think it's ruffled anyone's feathers. We've done press interviews and met insurance guys and interviewed employees. Everyone seems to feel very at home. I guess it's not much different from meeting a client when you're on the road.
[The hilarious part is that our Zoka happens to be RIGHT next door to The Omni Group. I mean, literally the next building over. So, for people I've done business with before, it's like, "Uh, remember where I used to be? Well..."]
I've never met anyone for business outside of the office complexes or at conferences. This approach seemed a little alien (and very interesting) to me.
That's good.. I was pretty impressed with the look of Delicious Monster's stuff, then I though "Aw man, they just ripped something off?" But now I feel better:-)
Can anybody give a brief compare and contrast between Delicious Library and Readerware? They sound very similar, perhaps DL is pretty much the same with a much better UI?
-- "It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
I can't compare and contrast because I am yet to try Delicious Library or DVDPedia, but I am a long time ReaderWare user. ReaderWare is great functionality wise, but the UI (Java) is fugly, and it has the slowness of a Java app. as well. ReaderWare's strength include ability to import data (simultaneously) from *many* different sources, including the IMDB for DVDs, cddb, freedb & Tower for CDs, the Library of Congress for books, etc.
It also very flexible, in terms of user definable fields, ability to export in user defined HTML, etc.
I'd love to switch to Delicious library, but I'd need the following to do so: 1) Ability to import my ReaderWare data -- there is NO WAY I'd spend the time re-entering the HUGE number of DVDs, CDs & books I already have in there.
2) Ability to get data from more then just Amazon (btw, is Amazon.fr supported?) -- specifically, at a bare minimum the IMDB, CDDB & Library of Congress.
3) Ability to export to (user definable) HTML.
4) Ability to use my unmodified CueCat to scan barcodes.
5) More pre-defined or user definable fields (example for DVDs: Region code, aspect ratio, anamorphic (y/n), soundtracks, etc.)
Give us the above, and I'd bet the pretty much every Mac based ReaderWare user will switch -- not just me...
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Re:Dear Mr. Xelph
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'ats why I'm not afraid of Indian software (unless the design work is done on the US West Coast). Bollywood, blah ha ha ha.
Re:Dear Mr. Xelph
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Anonymous Coward
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Am I the only coffee-house user who this annoys?
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OnanTheBarbarian
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I've spent an inordinate amount of the last decade sitting around in coffee houses of varying degrees of corporateness (Starbucks obviously being on one end of the scale). Quite frankly, one of the reasons that I've stopped spending time at coffee houses are people using coffee houses in exactly this way.
I don't mind people working in coffee houses. I don't mind people meeting in coffee houses. What I do mind is when people start doing things like presentations to enough other people that they have to raise their voices, talk loudly and endlessly on their damn cell phones (not to mention taking endless calls), and blather away like they own the whole place. Guess what - it's not your office, guys. It's really not.
Tech nerds are usually fairly good about this. Some of the local business types are just complete pricks about this, though. It's like they've never considered the idea that the whole place isn't interested in the unique, dynamic work environment that their chain restaurant is going to provide.
I'm not under the delusion that coffee houses should be some sort of library-like atmosphere, or that no-one should ever conduct business there, or anything like that. I'd just like (for a change) for people who are doing business in a coffeehouse to recognize that they aren't in their own office.
Been there, done that...
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Jack.Gavigan
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Back in 1999, two guys who'd come up with a dot-com startup idea and managed to raise seed funding, recruited me to be the technical guy (CTO, if you like) for the company. Right at the beginning, the company consisted of the two founders, me, a business plan and £800k in a bank account.
At the time, I didn't have a computer and, besides, dialling into the Internet from home during the day in the UK at the time would have incurred a not-inconsiderable phone bill so, until we got ourselves an office, I worked out of the easyEverything cyber cafe opposite Charing Cross station in London and I used to meet people in the Starbucks just up from Embankment tube station.
Jack
Re:Been there, done that...
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1_interest_1
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Let's see.
You were hired as a CTO, in 1999. You didn't own a computer. The computer you were hired by had £800k in the bank account and couldn't get you a computer or afford an office.
Christ, you're a candidate for oxygen-rationing if I ever saw one.
I didn't already own a computer because (a) my previous employer provided me with one which I was kind of obliged to return when I handed in my resignation, and (b) I'm not some kind of fetishist geek who likes to fill his home with hardware so he can get home from work and jack off whilst downloading the latest AC kernel patches.
Even now, I'm writing this on a 5-year old Gateway P-500 laptop with 128MB RAM, running Windows '98. Ya know why? Because all I use it for is the odd email/surfing session and I have another HD loaded with Red Hat for when I want to do something that Windows can't do.
If you were ever lucky enough to encounter someone who was stupid enough to involve you in a start-up, you'd realise that at the beginning of a start-up, you have nothing except the founders, the money and the idea. You have to find an office, you have to source office IT equipment, furniture, a phone system, etc. Unless, that is, you're stupid and extravagant enough to go to some serviced offices rip-off joint and blow your investors' cash on some plush joint which you equip with the latest and most up-to-date PCs which you then use for nothing more than email and writing Word documents.
I used easyEverything for about a fortnight, until my colleagues had found us an office, by which time I had everything lined up and only had to press the "Submit" button to order the office PCs, network equipment and printer, call in the cabling guys, get the lines installed and order an Ascom small-office PBX system.
Get back in your fuckin' box and don't dare express an opinion in my presence again. And just as a fuckin' coup de grace:
The computer you were hired by...
I'm not Case, you fuckwit. I was hired by a company, not a computer.
How the fuck do people like you manage to earn enough money to afford an Internet connection? I guess you're either on welfare or work into the telco infustry.
Jack
Re:Been there, done that...
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wow, where were you in my four years of business at university?
-- sortakinda.ca | canadian paraphrasing.
Re:Been there, done that...
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Well, I'm not sure when you were at University, but...
Summer 1996 - Dropped out of university. Unemployed. No qualifications. On the dole.
September '96 - Start "working" at small ISP for £10 per day cash in hand (and free 'Net access, obviously), answering tech support lines and earning extra for stuff like web page design and doing sales/consultancy for companies who want to get online.
Late '97 - ISP gets taken over by a small telco. I become "Technical Sales Manager", then a project manager.
Mid '98 - Get worried that I'm becoming a clueless manager, so quit and get a job as a unix systems engineer with a digital asset management solutions provider.
Nov '99 - Get recruited into aforementioned dot-com.
Summer 2000 - Following the bursting of the dot-com bubble and corresponding drastic plunge in prospects of getting the first-round funding we'd have needed to turn the venture profitable, we wind up the company whilst still solvent, returning over half the seed investors' cash. Wary of the industry, I hold fire on various job offers from dot-coms and consultancies and instead take a 3-month contract, setting up e-commerce infrastructure at Deutsche Bank.
Spring '02 - "Three months" turned out to last 18 months and I finally depart DB after setting up a bunch of their Equities division's e-commerce systems (e.g. dbconvertibles.com, ederivatives.db.com, www.xavex.com).
Summer '02 - After a slightly-longer-than-expected break, I go to work in the e-business infrastructure team in the IT department of an American bulge-bracket I-bank.
Spring '04 - I switch to the Fixed Income, FX and Commodities division, to join the team that runs the electronic trading systems used by the bond and swaps traders.
I think that just about covers it...
Jack
Re:Been there, done that...
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Fabulous, let's analyze this piece too:
Nov '99 - Get recruited into aforementioned dot-com.
Summer 2000 - Following the bursting of the dot-com bubble and corresponding drastic plunge in prospects of getting the first-round funding we'd have needed to turn the venture profitable, we wind up the company whilst still solvent, returning over half the seed investors' cash. Wary of the industry, I hold fire on various job offers from dot-coms and consultancies and instead take a 3-month contract, setting up e-commerce infrastructure at Deutsche Bank.
Ok. You're trying to tell me that essentially I don't know jack shit about startups, yet you've only ever participated in one?
One that failed at that. Here's the cluestick, go ahead... that's right... hit yourself over the head with it.
Re:Been there, done that...
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psst, i was questioning this:
If you were ever lucky enough to encounter someone who was stupid enough to involve you in a start-up, you'd realise that at the beginning of a start-up, you have nothing except the founders, the money and the idea.
not your credibility - what did i do to get you so damn defensive?
-- sortakinda.ca | canadian paraphrasing.
Re:Been there, done that...
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he's been pwned.
Re:Been there, done that...
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Jack.Gavigan
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Didn't I tell you to get back in your box?
Re:Been there, done that...
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Jack.Gavigan
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I wasn't being defensive - I thought you were asking a genuine question...
dumbass
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Anonymous Coward
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why the hell would click a link to a picture called peniscut.jpg?
You'd think the CueCat could have been used for this...:)
Re:Am I the only coffee-house user who this annoys
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I have found that a micro recorder, obviously on and recording, placed on my table and then turned in the appropriate direction does wonders. Works for cell phone calls as well.
A real company needs an official mailing address
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Took a look at your software--I'm impressed. Now, referring back to the prior post, I also thought the same thing when I read the article--namely a company can't be a "real" company without an official mailing address. However, I'm assuming that for official mail, you're receiving it either via one of the creators' home, via PO box, or via a box at Mailboxes, etc. (well, formerly mailboxes, etc., now "The UPS Store"). Also, I don't know about Seattle's laws, but here in MD you are required to have a non-PO box address to incorporate. How did you get around that?
Re:A real company needs an official mailing addres
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We use my house as a base of operations -- extra scanners are stored there, along with our MacWorld booth, and, if I have my way, that giant TV we had at MacWorld.
All these assets are guarded by two fierce attack-cats, so don't try looking up our address of incorporation and breaking into my house! You will emerge fuzzy, my friend. FUZZY!
Re:Easier to go insane, yes {LOL}
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"Hey did you see the ass on the blonde?"
"Which one?
"Where?"
"Over there!"
"Hell she's blond? I didn't get past her ass.
"Now where were we again?
"Oh yea. I'm having trouble with my retain release count."
*silence*
"Hello I said I'm having trouble with my..."
"Holy crap look at that brunette! Hey this is great coffee by the way.
"Do you need a private moment? Here have a cup go jerk off in the bathroom so we can get back to work, okay?"
Back when I worked for them MacSpeech did not have an office. We had 8+ engineers in at least 4 states, plus the rest of the company was scattered across the USA. Why pay rent?
The VC guys thought our phone bills where high but were impressed with the rent numberss.
Google was formed when two college kids decided to set up a new-form of search engine with page rank algorithm on their school computers, linux was form in a kid's computer and now this website. Find any similarities?!
Re:A real company needs an official mailing addres
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Heh. Cool. Where is Zoka, BTW? I thought I knew all the coffee shops here in the UD. I usually hang out upstairs at Allegro so I can suck my cancer sticks. Roma used to be my place, but I got tired of all the fucking AveRats bothering me with "Spare Change? Got an extra cigarette? Wanna buy some heroin?" Bleh.
With the ever growing usefulness of the Internet, the office is becoming less and less useful.
I do allot of work from home and our customers never have an idea thanks to VoIP and Asterisk. I also have a VPN into our data center so I can access all of our data. Now we just need to implement smart cards and I will be perfectly happy.
a-hah!
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I've always wanted to expand my force of attack cats. Now I know where to get additional recruits!
But why in the heck are coffee servers now called "Baristas"?!? They serve coffee. McDonalds people serve burgers (or at least something resembling a burger), yet they have no special name (McServerista?). Not to offend any "baristas", but you serve coffee; I do lawn work- shall I make up a title of "lawnista" to make me sound refined? "Hello, I'm Bryan your lawnista, would you like your lawn regular or really fried?"
Your friendly lawinsta, Bryan
-- Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
They should try that in Amsterdam.
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'... The fact that useless software (and products in general) that does not make you nicer, more knowledgeable, or more intelligent can generate so much revenue is beyond common sense...'
I must admit I've got Mac envy here because of what 'Delicious' can do. I spotted it of oreillynet a while ago. Like most developers I collect lists of information both electronic and physical. Having a tool that allows you to join disjoint sets of information and find them fast is pretty desirable. It makes for less searching. If I can find things faster it gives me more time to read/learn.
What I like also about this company is the ideas its coming up with. Aside from software what about the work environment. Food, drink, places to sit/talk, Internet connection. All at a low cost. Bet you will not find ideas like running your operation from a tech laden coffee shop in any Ivy League BS (Business School) case study.
Sounds like you want something more out of life than the regular sheep. I can heartfully recommend Art of Living.
When you begin to see the emptiness in the world around you. You are very lucky. It's the only way out of habitual patterns and endless search for self-gratification.
In time, the emptiness will seem full of life, because space has the biggest potential and energy-level. So go into that empty feeling, instead of trying to fill it with more objects and events. It's different to what we're used, to really go into every feeling and situation 100%, so it's only for those who are bold enough. To flee from it, creates those patterns that you have started to recognize, and patterns limits our options.
Glad to see that not everyone here on Slashdot is a stressed out geek intent on flaming. You obviously got the point I was -not very well, admittedly- trying to make. Oh well, I keep coming back to Slashdot for the level-5 funny comments, just like I keep reading the NewYorker every week for the hilarious cartoons. That is where I think Slashdot's true value lies.
Not the point diphead
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The fact that it links to IMDB is important, not that IMDB is an Amazon site. See I like seeing IMDB pages about movies more than pages on Amazon trying to sell me the movies with basically no description and little linked information that isn't relavant to buying things. IMDB has the INFORMATION I want, reguardless of its amazon ties.
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Fuck the system? Nah, you might catch something.
Also check out DVDpedia (bruji.com)
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If you are interested in Delicious Library, I would also recomend looking into DVDpedia before you purchase. I must admit that Delicious Library is highly polished but is pretty much a straight catologer. DVDpedia offers some features that allow you venture into the media center mac arena. For instance you can link to media files straight from 'pedia for trailers (.mov) or the movie iteslf (.vob). This allows you to launch a movie straight from the dvdpedia interface. Also, I like to add the original posters to dvdpedia instead of the often ugly dvd package image which DL requires you to use. Finally 'pedia allows for smart collections - like all movies which I have rated five stars or movies from the 80's or movies by speilberg. These are just a sample of the extra features in DVDpedia that I like and I thought you might like to so download both and give em a try.
Re:Decaf? How about a Cold Fusion HOT cup of Tea?
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Here's one for Mac afficianados and tea drinkers:
The Japanese just released a paper via the Italian Journal IL Nuovo Saggiatore. Dr. Arata just received an Award from the Emperor of Japan(true). His second in 50 years of physics.
This team claims a new form of "Solid deuterium", basically deuterium that adheres to Nano sized pieces of Palladium metal in larger amounts than possible in a solid chunk of Palladium.. Lots of heat + lots of Helium4 (clear unmistakable fusion signature in HUge amounts) released via an Ultrasound mechanism. Here's the actual claim this paper makes [www2.sif.it]:
"as a consequence, in our experiments, for the first time in the world, we succeeded in producing intense nuclear fusion reactions inside metals, and generated a significantly large amount of He4 and thermal energy by using "solid deuterium" as a new fuel." ...it further states in the conclusions:
In other words large amounts of pure deuterium gas (a) reacted to convert into He4, that is, the reactor tank converted the tank deuterium into He4. In addition, it is an ideal energy source in that no neutrons nor gamma rays were produced" Details are sketchy to protect patent claims I imagine after tracking this field for years.
Mac users, figure out how to make power sources out of this !
-JChan
-- -J Chan
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OOps! forgot to post the link to the Italian paper... Click Here
-JChan
-- -J Chan
Is that the smell of coffee...
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...or of a lawsuit?
I hope all of the connections in their office are wireless!
Re:A real company needs an official mailing addres
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I haven't been to that location but it appears to be over in the U Village area near the Burke-Gillman trail.
Cool product. We're downloading it tonight to try it out. I don't know the legal issues involved, but it seems like a product like this could be ideal for insurance cataloging. You have a fire, get robbed, what have you, everything is right there, values and all. Could be really cool.
-- My good looks paid for that pool, and my talent filled it with water.
Delicious Monster for Comic Books
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This is a great looking piece of software. The moment it can track comic books, it will have my money.
Re:stealth attack
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Anonymous Coward
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I'm thinking of training some squirrels to attack. The real beauty of attack squirrels is that most people will never see it coming!
Re:Am I the only coffee-house user who this annoys
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What I do mind is when people start doing things like presentations to enough other people that they have to raise their voices
So fight back. Organize the other customers in a sing-along, or hold a wet t-shirt contest.
-- Envy my 5 digit Slashdot User ID!
Alternative Solution...
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Anonymous Coward
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Perhaps an alternative solution would be to petition Apple to add OOo format compatibility to their new office suite.
As long as it's not Java.
for the price of their "coffee", you could get a 1000sq ft spot in the downtown district cheaper I'd guess. Internet would likely be better too.
Their website is run on a Motorola 68000 chip embedded in a biscotti. Try not to spill, fellas!
> it generated $250,000 worth of sales in its first month
Wow, I must have contributed to some of that.
Delicious Library is cool, if a little bit slow. But it's still new, so that's not surprising. The attention to detail is really amazing. When you add artwork to a catalog item, the application adds a screen to the item image to make it look like it's in a DVD case, or the cover of a book. If you say it's a hard cover or soft cover book, the size of the book changes, too. I wrote a nearly pointless review of it for Gadget Madness.
Scanning in your books, DVDs, games, or whatever into the system is actually a kind of fun. It's one of those Mac OS X applications that when you show someone who doesn't have a Mac, they get that comically jealous look on their face.
Insert simplistic political, ideological, or personal proselytization here.
Why-ever not? A start up has to start up somewhere, and if the company does not require a fixed premises as such, these guys are free to meet in the park, in the high street, in coffee shops. It's really just an extreme example of how decentralised business is becoming these days.
Quoth the server, "404."
Except it's in Seattle and it's for a niche market. I worked for a virtual company. Our "office" was our customer's offices. About ten of us.
Nothing very special about this except it's got insufferably precious Mac-Seattle-GraphicDesginer disease.
Wouldn't it be easier to work from home? That's what I do.
http://www.biolifeplasma.com
I'd wonder about security though. These guys are working on wireless internet on a public network while developing proprietary software. What's to stop one guy with a snooper and a latte-wielding disguise from stealing all their work? Yes, it's quirky. And I'll be damned if I wouldn't love to pay my rent in coffee... but I'm just not sure it's good business. Of course, this is all speculation on my part. We only have a Starbucks here.
How much coffee will they have to buy to pay for the bandwidth bill?
can be found here
Now you've done it, you slashdotted the coffee shop!
Just want to throw a kudo their way.
I find Delicious Library a great product for being so new. Many customer empowering features and overall refinement. It also leverages the best of what Mac OS X has to offer developers.
Good job and keep it up!
Ton of software at there site. Solo shareware authors have wrote more ware than that. There has been alot of Apple headlines lately, and this ones boring. New Mac Mini, new iPod, new Xserve. New software conpany with one software title.
its really a shame they don't have Wi-Fi at my local bar. Paying rent in beer sounds like a much better option.
ill stick with tea thanks.
I bet they drive to work on their Segways.
While I like this product (I especially think the barcode thing is spiffy), I don't really like some of their ideas for the next version. They state that you will be able to see other peoples profile with the same taste... Well I think marketeers are going to have a field trip with this... a fully free accessible database of online contacts already sorted by the profile you make... all that for only 40 bucks. Don't get me wrong, I like the idea in principle, but it's just too easy to be taken advantage of.
The best weapon of a dictatorship is secrecy, but the best weapon of a democracy should be the weapon of openness.
Here I thought that mac developers would be drinking hot cocoa
Sean.OutaHere()
I can see it now, a guy walks in to have a cup of coffee and relax a bit and the Delicious Monster guys jump him and slap him with a rolled up printout of the DCMA asking him to cease and desist trying to steal their code by means of shoulder surfing. He was just trying to have a cup of coffee, for Christ's sake!
Co-founder of OmniGroup in Seattle.
http://www.omnigroup.com
I had no idea Wil left his baby, OmniWeb to do a start-up. With his almost 15 years of Cocoa programming experience I'm sure they'll make it.
And you know what? They're ordinary, hard-working developers, and they're quite creative. Apple should be hiring them.
Take off every sig. For great justice.
Pff, real coders drink caffeinated coffee!
Powered by caffeine and sugar; BSD
At the bottom of the
... also a complete, utter waste of time.
I have to admit that I bought the software because I am a Criterion collector and because the developers did a really nice job in terms of look and feel. So I scanned hundreds and hundreds of DVDs in there and now I can see them sitting on gorgeous virtual shelves on my fully loaded PowerBook G4. And I can pat myself in the back. And that is about it.
The fact that useless software (and products in general) that does not make you nicer, more knowledgeable, or more intelligent can generate so much revenue is beyond common sense. But the saddest part is that I am actually contributing to that trend.
Especially in the financial centres of big cities it seems that Starbucks et al are not really a "coffee company", but are in fact selling very on-demand temporary office space ("Regus Lite") with free coffee as an incentive and informal time-billing system.
Anyone who's worked for a large investment bank and has tried to book an office for a quick meeting will know this is true (especially if the meeting rooms operate as a "profit centre" and so you have be recharged the costs). It's amazing how much you can find out about the state of the IT dept of a large company just by hanging out in the nearest coffee shop - are they hiring or firing, are the staff excited or bitching, what new projects are they working on.... industrial espionage was rarely so cheap.
Similarly, airports are now in the business of selling multi-day car parking and short term entertainment for an hour or two.
I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. - George Best
Who wouldn't want this? I simply have no need for it. I do not see a need for it. But hey, that's me.
If you're linking to a story doesn't it make sense to use those words for the link to the story?
I started a company with a friend of mine three years ago. We each worked out of own homes, and met twice a week in person (at a coffee shop, natch') to be sure we were synched up. But after a while it started to become difficult for me to stay in the same damned room all day, then move over a few feet into the kitchen for dinner, a few feet over to the living room to watch a movie, and then a few feet again to go to sleep. I felt like a freakin' hamster.
When we got the chance to share office space with a couple of other guys who ran their own small companies, we jumped at the chance. Splitting the money three ways makes rent much cheaper, and we get human contact. Sometimes you don't need to have specific interaction. You just need to be around people.
That's part of the appeal of working in a coffee shop. You can focus on what you're doing, but there's enough human activity that you can also get that feeling of connectedness. When you work alone at home by yourself it's easy to feel disconnected from the rest of humanity, no matter how many IMs you get from your buddies.
But maybe it's just me. I haven't yet transcended meatspace.
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
I run four companies from my local coffee shop. Sit in the back with my powerbook and always look like I'm waiting for someone to show up. But the downside is that you can easily be tempted into vanilla lattes every hour, which costs as much as a 15th-floor corner office, and will likely get me a kidney transplant in five years.
Now if only I had products I sold that earned money, I'd be breaking even...
The world's only surviving livewriter.
Unfortunately Starbucks 'office-space' sucks as much as their coffee, the sofas are always filthy, the tables rarely cleaned and the decor is er.. shit. But its good enough when you're in a shopping street and desperate for somewhere to sit inside and more comfortable than McDonalds..
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Anyone know if this will work with a cuecat barcode reader? Got a couple of them sitting here collecting dust.
The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
Uh oh, now that it's been slashdotted we can expect a lawsuit from Monster Cables any time now...
"Office building?! HR Manager?! What horrors we suffer in the name of success...."
The slings and arrows, of the outraged, who don't share our fortune.
Dont forget the hardworkers get a dime, while the CEO/leader walks away with millions because his equity was 95%+.
Its one thing to have controlling interests (>50%) share, but its another quite evil thing to USE your employees to make yourself filthy rich, then sell out, sack the employees and leave em to dry while the CEO walks away super uber rich with 10 lifetimes of assets/money.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
Sorry offtopic -5
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"But maybe it's just me. I haven't yet transcended meatspace."
Actually it is you. And I don't mean that in a bad way. Simply everyone's requirements are different. Something to keep in mind as the internet (and it's 'new business models') intrude ever more in our lives.
Many customer empowering features and overall refinement. It also leverages the best of what Mac OS X has to offer developers.
You don't happen to work in marketing do you? Or did you just read that on the side of the box?
I have to admit that I bought the powerbook because I am a developer and because Apple did a really nice job in terms of look and feel. I did some coding work on it, and it is no different then if I would have done it on my previous computer. And I can pat myself in the back. And that is about it.
The fact that a useless shiny computer (and products in general) that does not make you nicer, more knowledgeable, or more intelligent can generate so much revenue is beyond common sense. But the saddest part is that I am actually contributing to that trend.
badness 10000
Delicious Library is one of the few applications not created by Apple that I've purchased. There have been others, but none have been nearly as amazing a purchase as DL.
Honestly, it doesn't matter to me in what fashion they create the software, just that they create it. I actually visit that Zoka's quite a bit, but usually later at night or early in the morning. Aren't they scared of crazed fans pestering them with The Next Big Thing (tm)?
The famous Lloyd's of London insurance group started out in Lloyd's coffee house in the late 1600s. This bodes well for Delicious Monster. :)
Excerpts from the book "Against the Gods" by Peter Bernstein:
"One afternoon in 1637 * a Cretan scholar named Canopius sat down in his chambers at Balliol College, Oxford, and made himself a cup of strong coffee. Canopius's brew is believed to mark the first time coffee was drunk in England; it proved so popular when it was offered to the public that hundreds of coffee houses were soon in operation all over London.
What does Canopius's coffee have to do with * the concept of risk? Simply that a coffee house was the birthplace of Lloyd's of London, which for more than two centuries was the most famous of all insurance company's. *
The second half of the seventeenth century was also an era of burgeoning trade. The Dutch were the predominant commercial power of the time, and England was their main rival. Ships arrived daily from colonies and suppliers around the globe to unload a profusion of products that had once been scarce or unknown luxuries-sugar and spice, coffee and tea, raw cotton and fine porcelain. * Information from remote areas of the world was now of crucial importance to the domestic economy. With the volume of shipping constantly expanding, there was a lively demand for current information with which to estimate sailing times between destinations, weather patterns, and the risks lurking in unfamiliar seas.
In the absence of mass media, the coffee houses emerged as the primary source of news and rumour. In 1675, Charles II,
suspicious as many rulers are of places where the public trades information, shut the coffee houses down, but the uproar was so great that he had to reverse himself sixteen days later. Samuel Pepys frequented a coffee house to get news of the arrival of ships he was interested in; he deemed the news he received there to be more reliable than what he learned at his job at the Admiralty.
The coffee house that Edward Lloyd opened in 1687 near the Thames on Tower Street was a favourite haunt of men from the ships that moored at London's docks. The house was "spacious, well built and inhabited by able tradesmen" according to a contemporary publication. It grew so popular that in 1691 Lloyd moved it to much larger and more luxurious quarters on Lombard Street. Nat Ward, a publican whom Alexander Pope accused of trading vile rhymes for tobacco, reported that the tables in the new house were "very neat and shined with rubbing." A staff of five served tea and sherbet as well as coffee.
Lloyd had grown up under Oliver Cromwell and he had lived through plague, fire, the Dutch invasion up the Thames in 1667, and the Glorious Revolution of 1688. He was a lot more than a skilled coffeehouse host. Recognizing the value of his customer base and responding to the insistent demand for information, he launched "Lloyd's List" in 1696 and filled it with information on the arrivals and departures of ships and intelligence on conditions abroad and at sea. That information was provided by a network of correspondents in major ports on the Continent and in England. Ship auctions took place regularly on the premises, and Lloyd obligingly furnished the paper and ink needed to record the transactions. One corner was reserved for ships' captains where they could compare notes on the hazards of all the new routes that were opening up - routes that led them farther east, farther south, and farther west than ever before. Lloyd's establishment was open almost around the clock and was always crowded.
Then as now, anyone who was seeking insurance would go to a broker, who would then hawk the risk to the individual risk-takers who gathered in the coffee houses or in the precincts of the Royal Exchange. When a deal was closed, the risk-taker would confirm his agreement to cover the loss in return for a specified premium by writing his name
I'm a Starbucks geek. (Yes, I think there is such a beast.) I go there almost daily. I bring people in to try new products. I have a card. I even read Howard Schultz's book. So, I was pretty excited when my wife and I visited Seattle about three years ago. We saw the original site, of course. We even visited the huge headquarters building. (Does anyone else find that Starbucks figurehead peering over the building just a little creepy?)
;-)
For those of you who haven't read Schultz's book, Starbucks and Peet's are linked in their history. Many folks say that it was really Alfred Peet who introduced Schultz to the darker, Full City roast that Starbucks finally used for their coffees.
Well, having read the book about the history, I wanted to see Peet's, too. There weren't any in New Orleans, where I lived at the time.
I visited one near the city center and I was immediately struck by the similarity in decor and layout between Peets and Starbucks. I mentioned this to the attendant.
It's true! Icy glares do send a chill down your spine.
I came to understand later the local rivalry between the companies that harkens all the way back to when Peet left Starbucks. Somehow Schultz didn't mention this. I can't believe it!
If Nalgene water bottles are outlawed, only outlaws will have Nalgene water bottles.
Remember the CueCat? That which scanned items and barcodes and transmitted them out over the 'Net to marketers? No offense, but I really don't think that open profiles with scanned barcode data for individual people won't be exploited somehow.
Good idea, guys, but unless the profile information is inaccessible to robots, the consumer gets the shaft.
Striking fear in the authors of godawful fanfiction, I am here, appearing in darkness, Tuxedo Jack!
OMG! They don't have an actual office! And this is worthy of the front page? I mean, seriously.. There are countless small companies out there who don't have an office. Or is it because they're in the Seattle area, the home of over-priced coffee and pastries. that this is considered so cool?
What is your penile percentile?
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Is that the Delicious Monster booth was empty on the last day of Macworld, looks like they got bored and packed up a day early so no one was there on Friday.
Delicious Monster ? hehe :LoL:
I got a Laplander for a gift. It is available from Levenger. One of the best tech related gifts I have ever gotten. No nut burning going on here.
Having done so much with so little for so long, I now can do anything with nothing at all.
"We work eight hours a day."
Damn, I want their job. Only 8 hours a day? Do they mean 7 days a week?
Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
The Apple developer site has an interesting article on how Delicious Library's use of the Cocoa bindings framework.
get a telecommuting job, move to an island off Athens.
Wow, I should not post when knackered.
If you really think about it.. there's quite a few software developers without an office.
The Mac community has some great shareware developers. Some work out of their own homes. No office, no staff. Just their own place.
Some collaborate online. Look at all the open source products now. Not all have their own office (like the Mozilla Foundation). Quite a few projects are 100% virtual.
I think this model will have even more of an impact in the next 10-15 years. It's not really necessary for someone who programs all day to have an office to themselves... it's wasteful.
It's perfectly acceptable for such an employee to work from home, or any other environment, and perhaps spend 1 day, or perhaps 2 afternoons a week in the office. You can then used shared work space and cut down on costs.
With the availability of high speed connections, VPN's for secure network access, VoIP providers providing cheap phone access....
the only thing is human interaction. And even that. Think about how often your actually "need". A few meetings a week. Now how many of those can't be done over the phone?
Really, only a much smaller sum of work needs to be done at the office.
Provided good management skills are used, to keep employees on target, and on time... there's nothing wrong with a virtual company.
In fact... it's much more efficient.
Don't forget the time you save people. If you work 1 day in the office a week, that's only 2 commutes (one each way). With an average commute time of a little under an hour (being generious). That's several hours a week that an employee can then use to either conduct work, or extra family time (or time at the strip club).
Why not hire the guy who lives in Kansas when the office is in NYC? If he's good, it's great. You can teleconfrence him in, and fly him in for a day or two every several weeks. He can work from home, and code just like the guys in the office. You don't need office space (which in a city like NYC, just a few square feed for a cubicle is expensive). Just pay his office phone, DSL/Cable line, and send him some hardware.
Wiki's, Bugzilla-like systems, Intranet Portals, Email, VoIP, they all make it much easier to do.
Virtual Companies will be playing more and more of a role in the future. Especially true for IT jobs. Since they are very easy to do remotely.
A product like this seems ideal to me for making an inventory of stuff for insurance purposes.
I do wonder just how comprehensive the data lookup is. If you have a lot of stuff from other countries or that's out-of-print, I wonder if it would still show up with this software.
Anakin Simpson: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy--ooh, donuts!
It looks like "Delicious Library" is doing some astroturfing here. The reason this made the news was because of the Apple connection, now if this involved a Windows developer we wouldn't have been posted.
Decaf is the witth's brew. Or 'near' beer or sex without touching.
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Don't you worry, as soon as they have serious money in the bank, they'll be sued by Monster Cable for everything they have or licensing fees.
moo.
A few people have mentioned that Mike Matas and Wil Shipley used to work for OmniGroup (event though the picture on the wired article calls him Shipman... I've met him a few times and I'm pretty sure it is Shipley). Tim Omernick also worked for OmniGroup. He went by Tim2 because there were 2 Tims ;-) Back when I met him at WWDC 2001, I think he was only 18, and he had been at Omni for 3-4 years. As for the fourth member, Drew Hamlin, he's not an Omni alum as far as I can tell... he's some RB coder / web designer turned tech support person for the company. All three of the developers are straight from OmniGroup though. I'm glad to see them working on more awesome software, but that raises an interesting question - what is to become of Omni with all of this talent leaving, and why are they leaving?
Usage Note: Kudos is one of those words like congeries that look like plurals but are etymologically singular. Acknowledging the Greek history of the term requires Kudos is (not are) due her for her brilliant work on the score. But kudos has often been treated as a plural, especially in the popular press, as in She received many kudos for her work. This plural use has given rise to the singular form kudo. These innovations follow the pattern whereby the English words pea and cherry were shortened from nouns ending in an (s) sound (English pease and French cerise), that were mistakenly thought to be plural. The singular kudo remains far less common than the plural use; both are often viewed as incorrect in more formal contexts. It is worth noting that even people who are careful to treat kudos only as a singular often pronounce it as if it were a plural. Etymology would require that the final consonant be pronounced as a voiceless (s), as we do in pathos, another word derived from Greek, rather than as a voiced (z).
Like it or not, the language is evolving, and I would hardly consider /. to be a "more formal context," so if we take the poles out of our wordnazi asses we'll have to admit that kudo is now a word, even though it sounds more to me like an idiotic bite-sized ice cream treat than an accolade. Never did like the word. If we ignore it, do you suppose it might eventually go away? (Even still, I'd rather see kudo granted official word status before thru, lite, nite, or any such awful bastardization.)
doesn't this sorta feel like dead like me?
"You win again Gravity!" -Futurama (Zapp)
... companies who buy Macs can't afford office space.
Back in 1994, I hung out a lot at a Chicago coffee house. I asked the owner for, and received, permission to do something super geeky.
I bought a NeXTStation mono, and stored it in the basement office of the shop. I'd bring in an external SCSI drive, haul the slab and its 17" monitor out of the basement, and set up on a wee little cafe table that was just big enough for the slab, keyboard, mouse, the hard drive, and a mug of coffee.
Didn't have any cool Delicious Monster apps to work on, though...
September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area Cocoa Programmer Quincy, MA
(BTW, lending out some titles from your vast DVD collection to [friends] might be one way that the software could help make you nicer. Just a thought...)
We have a fulfillment center in Olympia for the scanners and we have a FedEx Kinko's a block away for other shipments.
I used to think that software companies were exuses for drinking coffee...but by the time I got through installing a burr grinder and $400 espresso machine next to my terminal at work, I realized that it would not be so odd to have a coffee shop that was an excuse for writing software...hope they succeed because I can apply for work there.
SLASHDOT: news for people who can't concentrate on work or have no life at all and got tired of yelling back at the TV.
Is to have someone riding shotgun to watch your laptop while you hit the bathroom and vent some of that coffee.
It looks dorky (at best) and perverted (at worst) to be walking into a public bathroom carrying a laptop.
September 2011: Looking for Cocoa/iOS work in Boston area Cocoa Programmer Quincy, MA
I have a question - if you have regular meetings with people that you are doing consulting projects with, and want to meet with a prospective client or possible supplier of some component, how do they react to meeting yourself and colleagues in a coffee house insted of a "regular office"?
Does anyone (the subjects of this article, or anyone else with experience) have any comments? I am genuinely interested.
Thank you,
Sam
I hope they're related somehow.. otherwise one of these is a total ripoff.
This looks exactly the same without the fancy wood panelling.
Can anybody give a brief compare and contrast between Delicious Library and Readerware? They sound very similar, perhaps DL is pretty much the same with a much better UI?
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
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This software will allow all people around you to get an amazing level of common sense and their common sense will rub on you too
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This software will make everybody call you the "Mr Nice guy". Every where pretty ladies will come and give you little kisses and say "oooooh what a nice guy".
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This software will directly link your brain to major encyclopedias and make you a storehouse of information. Watch the awe and admiration of people when you pull our totally useless facts which have no relevance to the conversation. Watch the ladies as they swoon as you tell them the eating habits of Boa Constrictor.
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I've spent an inordinate amount of the last decade sitting around in coffee houses of varying degrees of corporateness (Starbucks obviously being on one end of the scale). Quite frankly, one of the reasons that I've stopped spending time at coffee houses are people using coffee houses in exactly this way.
I don't mind people working in coffee houses. I don't mind people meeting in coffee houses. What I do mind is when people start doing things like presentations to enough other people that they have to raise their voices, talk loudly and endlessly on their damn cell phones (not to mention taking endless calls), and blather away like they own the whole place. Guess what - it's not your office, guys. It's really not.
Tech nerds are usually fairly good about this. Some of the local business types are just complete pricks about this, though. It's like they've never considered the idea that the whole place isn't interested in the unique, dynamic work environment that their chain restaurant is going to provide.
I'm not under the delusion that coffee houses should be some sort of library-like atmosphere, or that no-one should ever conduct business there, or anything like that. I'd just like (for a change) for people who are doing business in a coffeehouse to recognize that they aren't in their own office.
Back in 1999, two guys who'd come up with a dot-com startup idea and managed to raise seed funding, recruited me to be the technical guy (CTO, if you like) for the company. Right at the beginning, the company consisted of the two founders, me, a business plan and £800k in a bank account.
At the time, I didn't have a computer and, besides, dialling into the Internet from home during the day in the UK at the time would have incurred a not-inconsiderable phone bill so, until we got ourselves an office, I worked out of the easyEverything cyber cafe opposite Charing Cross station in London and I used to meet people in the Starbucks just up from Embankment tube station.
Jack
why the hell would click a link to a picture called peniscut.jpg?
You'd think the CueCat could have been used for this... :)
I have found that a micro recorder, obviously on and recording, placed on my table and then turned in the appropriate direction does wonders. Works for cell phone calls as well.
Took a look at your software--I'm impressed. Now, referring back to the prior post, I also thought the same thing when I read the article--namely a company can't be a "real" company without an official mailing address. However, I'm assuming that for official mail, you're receiving it either via one of the creators' home, via PO box, or via a box at Mailboxes, etc. (well, formerly mailboxes, etc., now "The UPS Store"). Also, I don't know about Seattle's laws, but here in MD you are required to have a non-PO box address to incorporate. How did you get around that?
Linux at home
We use my house as a base of operations -- extra scanners are stored there, along with our MacWorld booth, and, if I have my way, that giant TV we had at MacWorld.
All these assets are guarded by two fierce attack-cats, so don't try looking up our address of incorporation and breaking into my house! You will emerge fuzzy, my friend. FUZZY!
"Hey did you see the ass on the blonde?"
"Which one?
"Where?"
"Over there!"
"Hell she's blond? I didn't get past her ass.
"Now where were we again?
"Oh yea. I'm having trouble with my retain release count."
*silence*
"Hello I said I'm having trouble with my..."
"Holy crap look at that brunette! Hey this is great coffee by the way.
"Do you need a private moment? Here have a cup go jerk off in the bathroom so we can get back to work, okay?"
The VC guys thought our phone bills where high but were impressed with the rent numberss.
We eventually got an office for administrivia.
Google was formed when two college kids decided to set up a new-form of search engine with page rank algorithm on their school computers, linux was form in a kid's computer and now this website. Find any similarities?!
Heh. Cool. Where is Zoka, BTW? I thought I knew all the coffee shops here in the UD. I usually hang out upstairs at Allegro so I can suck my cancer sticks. Roma used to be my place, but I got tired of all the fucking AveRats bothering me with "Spare Change? Got an extra cigarette? Wanna buy some heroin?" Bleh.
With the ever growing usefulness of the Internet, the office is becoming less and less useful.
I do allot of work from home and our customers never have an idea thanks to VoIP and Asterisk. I also have a VPN into our data center so I can access all of our data. Now we just need to implement smart cards and I will be perfectly happy.
I've always wanted to expand my force of attack cats. Now I know where to get additional recruits!
But why in the heck are coffee servers now called "Baristas"?!? They serve coffee. McDonalds people serve burgers (or at least something resembling a burger), yet they have no special name (McServerista?). Not to offend any "baristas", but you serve coffee; I do lawn work- shall I make up a title of "lawnista" to make me sound refined? "Hello, I'm Bryan your lawnista, would you like your lawn regular or really fried?"
Your friendly lawinsta,
Bryan
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
It would certainly help them "think different"
I must admit I've got Mac envy here because of what 'Delicious' can do. I spotted it of oreillynet a while ago. Like most developers I collect lists of information both electronic and physical. Having a tool that allows you to join disjoint sets of information and find them fast is pretty desirable. It makes for less searching. If I can find things faster it gives me more time to read/learn.
What I like also about this company is the ideas its coming up with. Aside from software what about the work environment. Food, drink, places to sit/talk, Internet connection. All at a low cost. Bet you will not find ideas like running your operation from a tech laden coffee shop in any Ivy League BS (Business School) case study.
peterrenshaw ~ Another Scrappy Startup
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"Hey did you see the ass on the blonde?"
"Which one?
"Where?"
"Women are the fount of the craziest, most remarkable projects"
Me. This Day. Sometime in 2005.
Don't underestimate the motivating power of a great ass.
Please exclude any subliminal references to fascist PHBs in above statement.
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Sounds like you want something more out of life than the regular sheep. I can heartfully recommend Art of Living.
When you begin to see the emptiness in the world around you. You are very lucky. It's the only way out of habitual patterns and endless search for self-gratification.
In time, the emptiness will seem full of life, because space has the biggest potential and energy-level. So go into that empty feeling, instead of trying to fill it with more objects and events. It's different to what we're used, to really go into every feeling and situation 100%, so it's only for those who are bold enough. To flee from it, creates those patterns that you have started to recognize, and patterns limits our options.
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The fact that it links to IMDB is important, not that IMDB is an Amazon site. See I like seeing IMDB pages about movies more than pages on Amazon trying to sell me the movies with basically no description and little linked information that isn't relavant to buying things. IMDB has the INFORMATION I want, reguardless of its amazon ties.
My startup is run out of a cocktail lounge.
Fuck the system? Nah, you might catch something.
If you are interested in Delicious Library, I would also recomend looking into DVDpedia before you purchase. I must admit that Delicious Library is highly polished but is pretty much a straight catologer. DVDpedia offers some features that allow you venture into the media center mac arena. For instance you can link to media files straight from 'pedia for trailers (.mov) or the movie iteslf (.vob). This allows you to launch a movie straight from the dvdpedia interface. Also, I like to add the original posters to dvdpedia instead of the often ugly dvd package image which DL requires you to use. Finally 'pedia allows for smart collections - like all movies which I have rated five stars or movies from the 80's or movies by speilberg. These are just a sample of the extra features in DVDpedia that I like and I thought you might like to so download both and give em a try.
Here's one for Mac afficianados and tea drinkers: The Japanese just released a paper via the Italian Journal IL Nuovo Saggiatore. Dr. Arata just received an Award from the Emperor of Japan(true). His second in 50 years of physics. ...it further states in the conclusions:
This team claims a new form of "Solid deuterium", basically deuterium that adheres to Nano sized pieces of Palladium metal in larger amounts than possible in a solid chunk of Palladium.. Lots of heat + lots of Helium4 (clear unmistakable fusion signature in HUge amounts) released via an Ultrasound mechanism. Here's the actual claim this paper makes [www2.sif.it]:
"as a consequence, in our experiments, for the first time in the world, we succeeded in producing intense nuclear fusion reactions inside metals, and generated a significantly large amount of He4 and thermal energy by using "solid deuterium" as a new fuel."
In other words large amounts of pure deuterium gas (a) reacted to convert into He4, that is, the reactor tank converted the tank deuterium into He4. In addition, it is an ideal energy source in that no neutrons nor gamma rays were produced" Details are sketchy to protect patent claims I imagine after tracking this field for years.
Mac users, figure out how to make power sources out of this ! -JChan
-J Chan
OOps! forgot to post the link to the Italian paper... Click Here -JChan
-J Chan
...or of a lawsuit?
I hope all of the connections in their office are wireless!
I haven't been to that location but it appears to be over in the U Village area near the Burke-Gillman trail.
Happy Fun Ball is for external use only.
Cool product. We're downloading it tonight to try it out. I don't know the legal issues involved, but it seems like a product like this could be ideal for insurance cataloging. You have a fire, get robbed, what have you, everything is right there, values and all. Could be really cool.
My good looks paid for that pool, and my talent filled it with water.
This is a great looking piece of software. The moment it can track comic books, it will have my money.
I'm thinking of training some squirrels to attack. The real beauty of attack squirrels is that most people will never see it coming!
So fight back. Organize the other customers in a sing-along, or hold a wet t-shirt contest.
Envy my 5 digit Slashdot User ID!
Perhaps an alternative solution would be to petition Apple to add OOo format compatibility to their new office suite.