of course. i'd even say that is stupid and arrogant:) in any way, i believe that explaining the situation and suggesting ways to help (no, "code it yourself" does not count;) ) would be way better. remember to suggest possible help in writing or proofreading documentation, testing & reporting problems, and also helping on forums/irc etc. that could get you one more supporter instead of annoyed user;)
of course, in cases when somebody who complains is a known troll, that should be simply stated - though i understand that's not the case here.
well, that could help with hardware support for vanilla kernels... but then again it also could not. of course, debian guidelines would never allow including of proprietary kernel modules or other software, but, if understand correctly, nothing prohibits hp from maiking them available for specific debian kernel versions - which would be pretty useless for other distros. of course, that would be pretty dumb from hp, so i really hope they are not going that way... at least when i was concerned with it, their hw monitoring modules were in a separate download & precompiled mode.
well, . could be added to root path... but he was referring to "admins", not users - which usually means their job title is "systems administrator" and they get pais for managing servers. one could hope that they know at least some of the things they are supposed to do;)
now when i think about it, would be pretty cool if they also supported vanilla linux kernel - in terms of hardware support (which usually is the biggest problem).
all other compatibility isues are more or less solvable, but having unsupported hardware can cause a lot more work. this is especially true for hw monitoring modules in proiant series;)
oh, please, not this again... i don't have to be an experienced cook to say that a panckake is burnt. i don't have to be an automotive expert to tell that a car has damaged headlights.
don't get me wrong, it is nice to help if a person can do that - but posts like this are useless. there are cases when such a response is in place, but even then it can be crafted much, much more politely. like, "those sound like good suggestions - unfortunately, currently all developers/documentation writers are busy with other things, so we don't have resources to implement them. we might get to it some time later, but if you can help in any way, we would be glad to give you information where to start"
you can find somebody with good english knowledge to fix errors & just copy-paste it now and then;)
it seems that you have missed the point quite seriously. i think the original poster was trying to show that thinking like this gives no basis for singling out the damage done to a particular nation. you seem to undertsand that, but miss the fact that original poster agrees with you.
meh. it was even funnier for me;) vista = chicken/hen in latvian. given that chickens are bad at flying, it really seems appropriate to use "no fly" list:>
ergh. skipped my modding comments here:) it also goes the other way. here in europe we have some of things in imperial system when i start to think about it.
let's see...
car wheel diameter, equipment rack width (and more or less heigth), display size (though usually also noted in cm for everything else besides computer screens), computer peripherals width (hdd/floppy/optical drives etc)...
when that nice "peace duke" visited us, we had a city basically evacuated for the whole day (a capital at that). no people allowed on streets, locals who were living near his hotel were told not to go to windows - or they might be shot. police visited every apartment.
there were some selected "greeters" who would meet him in the airport, smile, give flowers & pose for photographers.
so, if you see american president welcomed anywhere - that's a show, real people are gotten out of sight.
hmm. i am using amarok svn mostly to test it, to find problems - and, of course, also to check that already reported problems are fixed:)
that probably is also a difference between oss/proprietary software users - if an oss user sees a new stable version, he would probably upgrade - that costs nothing, usually brings benefits and requires no testing. those oss users who are fine with testing & reporting get latest they are interested, but there is no pressure from producers to move to the final version or have some restrictions on how the software should be used.
not that i have used windows or any of it's firewall apps recently, but depending on the sophistication & configration of it you might want to try renaming firefox.exe to iexplore.exe (or whatever it is called).
most probably fw would look for a full path and maybe even checksum of the executable, but still worth the shot.
i know at least two families who would be glad to get anything that would run basic linux distro with word processing software, spreadsheet and such. unfortunately, shipping them from your part of the world would probably cost close to getting a new machine.
i was amazed at how easy it is to use applications but there is still one downside- and that's installin software, i installed 4 different media players and none of them could open a mpeg file
first, you probably installed suse linux 10.1, which does not include some proprietary codecs (that are patented in usa). second, which players and how did you install ? for several codecs you need to add additional package sources (packman & guru usually) - and install some packages. join #suse irc channel on freenode or forums, i'm sure you will be able to find the information.
i was very dissapointed, i also had to install drivers for a pci-e graphics card, that took me into all this coding stuff
what ? first, that most probably was an nvidia or ati card - whose companies keep their own binary-only drivers. second, coding stuff ? yeah, right. maybe the first part of the post was not trolling, but "coding stuff to install video card drivers"...
So, IMO, if you don't have documents that are very heavily formatted (which judging by the fact that you're still using 97, I don't think so), and money is an issue, move yourself out of MS 97 and go with OO.O 2.
actually, oo.org handles large documents (like heavy style usage, master documents etc) much, much better than microsot office. bigger problems might arise if somebody would want to move complex documents oo.orgmsowrd, but hell, that is a problem big enough for different mso versions - and even for the same version on different machines.
hmm. this will be an honest question - i really never had thought about things from this perspective. so, let's say, somebody with a licensed font prints out all characters at a sufficiently large size. then another person, using an automated software, creates a font file from this data. that probably would lose quite a lot of information (some curves would probably still be missed, hinting, kerning info etc), but would it be legal ?
that's assuming that a typeface can not be copyrighted anywhere in any way.
though oo.org does not include photo editor or design software. it's mostly word processor & spreadsheet coupled with presentation & drawing module + database frontend (+java db).
probably something nice could be created in draw, otherwise i don't think it's crucial using your own software for things it is not designed to do.
* Performance metrics V MS Office (Even more so in the PPC Mac version!)
i suppose you mean startup time. yeah, oo.org is quite slow on startup, though extremly large times are caused by missing and enabled java.
* Comparison of Clipart and Wordart features (My kids won't use OOo cos it has none)
i have to ask - wtf ? if you mean clipart collection that is shipping with oo.org, that is different than 'features', isn't it ? anyway, there's http://www.openclipart.org/ and several other collections (there even was one specific package to oo.org, but i can't find it right now).
wordart - double wtf. first, oo.org for a long time has had a tool named fontwork. it is very powerful, it allows you to shape text along any line etc. starting with 2.0, there is 'fontwork gallery', which is simpler & more like ms wordart. these things are described in help, you could also have used mailing lists or forums.
* Cost/Benefit in switching from a version of Office that people/companies already own
why not ? that is one og things that should be emphasised, i think. there are a lot of factors that must be taken into account - future upgrades, file accessibility, integration possibilities. i'm sure you can find a lot of information about these things on your own. there will be cases when it is better to keep existing msoffice installations - but you will have to upgrade at some point, and, as others have mentioned, upgrading to next version of mso probably will be harder than to oo.org anyway.
Sure, if you don't have any kind of Office software you might try OOo before forking for Office, but if you already own a copy of Office, the time taken to learn new menus and workflow isn't worth switching.
really, it is not THAT different. you get a logical page->format instead of file->page setup (or whatever that was). if a person can adapt to a different car, this really is no big change. if somebody is unble to retrain, maybe employing such a person should be considerated. i really enjoy the examples where a company is moving to oo.org, but is offering employees a choice - either they get a small wage increase or stay with msoffice. suddenly nobody has retraining or productivity issues.
Likewise if you are just gonna pirate Office then it's easier to get what you'll be using at work or school than learn something new.
sure, pirating distorts marketplace - and ms knows & encourages that to a certain amount:) it's mostly businesses that are starting to evaluate available options based on the price.
then why not leave the existing product line and introduce a new one that has less memory etc ? now everybody is telling their friends "nono, you should get only the one without L if version number is 4, you must get a different model now". imagine a car maker silently removing awd, abs, electric windows, slashing the engine at half both at power & resource - and not changing the model name, just the release date.
i believe that is the biggest problem here, so probably marketoids got at the wheel again.
were you aiming for 'funny' ?:) no, really. eulas for all big softare vendors will shake off all the responsibility they can. has there ever been a case when a software supplier like ms or oracle has been sued for losses to businesses - and had to pay ?
if that would be the case, ms would have shelled out insane amounts of money after each worm/virus outbreak - they were massive.
of course, it is also possible that you didn't add "... but in reality it's only to comfort them morally"
"...now would be a good time to switch over to a "real" database. "Real" is one of those words that Doug ought to add to his list of words. It means "expensive". Many managers seem to have this idea that it is invariably true that you get what you pay for, and that therefore nothing that is available for free can possibly be any good."
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of course. i'd even say that is stupid and arrogant
in any way, i believe that explaining the situation and suggesting ways to help (no, "code it yourself" does not count
that could get you one more supporter instead of annoyed user
of course, in cases when somebody who complains is a known troll, that should be simply stated - though i understand that's not the case here.
well, that could help with hardware support for vanilla kernels... but then again it also could not. of course, debian guidelines would never allow including of proprietary kernel modules or other software, but, if understand correctly, nothing prohibits hp from maiking them available for specific debian kernel versions - which would be pretty useless for other distros.
of course, that would be pretty dumb from hp, so i really hope they are not going that way... at least when i was concerned with it, their hw monitoring modules were in a separate download & precompiled mode.
well, . could be added to root path... but he was referring to "admins", not users - which usually means their job title is "systems administrator" and they get pais for managing servers. one could hope that they know at least some of the things they are supposed to do ;)
now when i think about it, would be pretty cool if they also supported vanilla linux kernel - in terms of hardware support (which usually is the biggest problem).
;)
all other compatibility isues are more or less solvable, but having unsupported hardware can cause a lot more work.
this is especially true for hw monitoring modules in proiant series
oh, please, not this again...
;)
i don't have to be an experienced cook to say that a panckake is burnt.
i don't have to be an automotive expert to tell that a car has damaged headlights.
don't get me wrong, it is nice to help if a person can do that - but posts like this are useless.
there are cases when such a response is in place, but even then it can be crafted much, much more politely.
like, "those sound like good suggestions - unfortunately, currently all developers/documentation writers are busy with other things, so we don't have resources to implement them. we might get to it some time later, but if you can help in any way, we would be glad to give you information where to start"
you can find somebody with good english knowledge to fix errors & just copy-paste it now and then
this is why slashdot should have longer expiry times for modpoints. i could not comment, but giving one to you would be something i'd do immediately.
it seems that you have missed the point quite seriously. i think the original poster was trying to show that thinking like this gives no basis for singling out the damage done to a particular nation.
you seem to undertsand that, but miss the fact that original poster agrees with you.
meh. it was even funnier for me ;) :>
vista = chicken/hen in latvian.
given that chickens are bad at flying, it really seems appropriate to use "no fly" list
ergh. skipped my modding comments here :)
it also goes the other way. here in europe we have some of things in imperial system when i start to think about it.
let's see...
car wheel diameter, equipment rack width (and more or less heigth), display size (though usually also noted in cm for everything else besides computer screens), computer peripherals width (hdd/floppy/optical drives etc)...
there probably are others i have forgotten.
at first i wanted to ask "why is novell still shelling out money, then ?"
;)
i bothered to check, though : http://www.bsa.org/usa/about/BSA-Members.cfm
novell has disappeared from there, probably because of their move towards or linux (or maybe they just noticd that bsa isn't helping them much).
symantec and a couple of others who probably will get killed soon by microsoft are still there
when that nice "peace duke" visited us, we had a city basically evacuated for the whole day (a capital at that). no people allowed on streets, locals who were living near his hotel were told not to go to windows - or they might be shot. police visited every apartment.
there were some selected "greeters" who would meet him in the airport, smile, give flowers & pose for photographers.
so, if you see american president welcomed anywhere - that's a show, real people are gotten out of sight.
hmm. i am using amarok svn mostly to test it, to find problems - and, of course, also to check that already reported problems are fixed :)
that probably is also a difference between oss/proprietary software users - if an oss user sees a new stable version, he would probably upgrade - that costs nothing, usually brings benefits and requires no testing.
those oss users who are fine with testing & reporting get latest they are interested, but there is no pressure from producers to move to the final version or have some restrictions on how the software should be used.
actually, here it is pretty hard to obtain 92, so everybody uses 95 in lawnmovers, chainsaws etc.
there are some stations that provide 92, but those are mostly of interest to owners of old soviet cars.
not that i have used windows or any of it's firewall apps recently, but depending on the sophistication & configration of it you might want to try renaming firefox.exe to iexplore.exe (or whatever it is called).
most probably fw would look for a full path and maybe even checksum of the executable, but still worth the shot.
i know at least two families who would be glad to get anything that would run basic linux distro with word processing software, spreadsheet and such.
unfortunately, shipping them from your part of the world would probably cost close to getting a new machine.
first, you probably installed suse linux 10.1, which does not include some proprietary codecs (that are patented in usa).
second, which players and how did you install ?
for several codecs you need to add additional package sources (packman & guru usually) - and install some packages. join #suse irc channel on freenode or forums, i'm sure you will be able to find the information.
what ? first, that most probably was an nvidia or ati card - whose companies keep their own binary-only drivers.
second, coding stuff ? yeah, right. maybe the first part of the post was not trolling, but "coding stuff to install video card drivers"...
nah. no need to aim high. vistas can't fly very high, you know.
maybe unleash a fox on them.
actually, oo.org handles large documents (like heavy style usage, master documents etc) much, much better than microsot office.
bigger problems might arise if somebody would want to move complex documents oo.orgmsowrd, but hell, that is a problem big enough for different mso versions - and even for the same version on different machines.
The idea that I can be held hostage because I don't want to trust software from Microsoft.
you already are trusting it.
and you already are hostage.
anyway, i'm sure rms could explain that in private to you =)
hmm. this will be an honest question - i really never had thought about things from this perspective.
so, let's say, somebody with a licensed font prints out all characters at a sufficiently large size.
then another person, using an automated software, creates a font file from this data.
that probably would lose quite a lot of information (some curves would probably still be missed, hinting, kerning info etc), but would it be legal ?
that's assuming that a typeface can not be copyrighted anywhere in any way.
though oo.org does not include photo editor or design software.
it's mostly word processor & spreadsheet coupled with presentation & drawing module + database frontend (+java db).
probably something nice could be created in draw, otherwise i don't think it's crucial using your own software for things it is not designed to do.
i suppose you mean startup time. yeah, oo.org is quite slow on startup, though extremly large times are caused by missing and enabled java.
i have to ask - wtf ?
if you mean clipart collection that is shipping with oo.org, that is different than 'features', isn't it ?
anyway, there's http://www.openclipart.org/ and several other collections (there even was one specific package to oo.org, but i can't find it right now).
wordart - double wtf.
first, oo.org for a long time has had a tool named fontwork. it is very powerful, it allows you to shape text along any line etc.
starting with 2.0, there is 'fontwork gallery', which is simpler & more like ms wordart. these things are described in help, you could also have used mailing lists or forums.
why not ? that is one og things that should be emphasised, i think.
there are a lot of factors that must be taken into account - future upgrades, file accessibility, integration possibilities. i'm sure you can find a lot of information about these things on your own.
there will be cases when it is better to keep existing msoffice installations - but you will have to upgrade at some point, and, as others have mentioned, upgrading to next version of mso probably will be harder than to oo.org anyway.
really, it is not THAT different. you get a logical page->format instead of file->page setup (or whatever that was). if a person can adapt to a different car, this really is no big change. if somebody is unble to retrain, maybe employing such a person should be considerated. i really enjoy the examples where a company is moving to oo.org, but is offering employees a choice - either they get a small wage increase or stay with msoffice. suddenly nobody has retraining or productivity issues.
sure, pirating distorts marketplace - and ms knows & encourages that to a certain amount
it's mostly businesses that are starting to evaluate available options based on the price.
then why not leave the existing product line and introduce a new one that has less memory etc ?
now everybody is telling their friends "nono, you should get only the one without L if version number is 4, you must get a different model now".
imagine a car maker silently removing awd, abs, electric windows, slashing the engine at half both at power & resource - and not changing the model name, just the release date.
i believe that is the biggest problem here, so probably marketoids got at the wheel again.
were you aiming for 'funny' ? :)
no, really. eulas for all big softare vendors will shake off all the responsibility they can.
has there ever been a case when a software supplier like ms or oracle has been sued for losses to businesses - and had to pay ?
if that would be the case, ms would have shelled out insane amounts of money after each worm/virus outbreak - they were massive.
of course, it is also possible that you didn't add "... but in reality it's only to comfort them morally"
"...now would be a good time to switch over to a "real" database. "Real" is one of those words that Doug ought to add to his list of words. It means "expensive". Many managers seem to have this idea that it is invariably true that you get what you pay for, and that therefore nothing that is available for free can possibly be any good."
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http://googleplanet.blogspot.com/2005/12/how-goog
"The moral of the story is that sometimes, and in particular with free software, you get more than what you pay for."