Again, I believe the Bittorrent protocol doesn't support this mode since it is considered pointless - no point in routing traffic through a 3rd party if you can just wait until that 3rd party has downloaded the chunk you're interested in itself.
that's assuming that the 3rd party ever would download the said data:) there are quite a lot of places where all inbound traffic is prohibited - ability to download through a bittorrent would reduce load on ftp/http/etc servers - unfortunately, currently i am forced to download everything from the official mirrors.
i am almost not using p2p apps at all, but according to my knowledge it goes like that :
first, it is possible to connect to peers who have incoming ports open. that limits available peers and prohibits anybody else from downloading from such a peer.
second, there are protocols/clients who support connecting of two such peers through a third party. that usually limits network connection speed, but allows communication as long as there's that third party.
i know that there are p2p clients who support such mechanisms and it would be nice for opera to do so, too.
yep, i knew about that parameter (appeared in recent weeklybuilds;) ), but i would like to have the icon - and i'd like it to behave like every other icon does;)
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hmm. you probably should have provided more information on what we should see,
clicking & scrolling behaved identically for me with opera build 344 and firefox 1.5.0.4
1. opera constantly stats all files in the download list, including already downloaded ones; 2. bittorrent downloads don't work through an http proxy; 3. systray icon in kde breaks icon arrangement with 48px tall kicker
though it is good that google maps buttons now work and icon is transparent:)
i've heard that usa has been slower at oss adoption, though i don't remember any hard facts. it is quite interesting here - a lot of companies, big and small, are starting to use more and more oss offerings. biggest drivers are firefox (which in't that huge as basic functionality is very, very similar for web browsers) and openoffice.org. from the privately owned companis that i know almost all are using oo.org to some extent (though almost all have one or two msoffice copies for problematic files). most users don't have big problems adapting, especially after they find out that they have to choose between slight wage increase and msoffice - suddenly there are almost no transition problems or loss of productivity.
there are employees who whine about loss of productivity or unability to adapt to oo.org, but after all their colleagues have sucesfully migrated decision makers start to look differently at the perceived inabilty to learn working with a new software - and not as a positive trait.
what's the main message ? surprisingly lot businesses have silently moved to oo.org, so that even i (using oo.org for some 4 years exclusively) am surprised.
We may not print answers to the "hard-hitting questions" as often as you might like. In many cases, however, the reason you don't see answers to those questions in print is because the person we ask refuses to answer them.
why it so rare to see something like "he refused to answer these questions:" ? that might make the responder mad at you, but what's the point from journalistics that ask only the easy questions ?
there are a lot of good questions to ask about interoperability to them, especially about interoperability with opensource software. these questions have been reiterated here a LOT of times - odf support (including full technical discussion about possible usage of it as the default format - i'm sure gary edwards could help you with this information), networking protocols' documentation according to eu demands (i'm sure jeremy, who also has replied to your post, will be glad to help you with questions and background information;) ), using existing open standards where possible instead of creating new ones (media files, other places), documenting formats and protocols that they create (because it's users' information that is transmitted and stored, not microsoft's)...
you could try compiling questions with a help from experts in all these areas (which would include information on why "because it does not fit our needs" is not an answer) and sort of re-run such an interview. don't polish it, be fair to your readers - if an answer is denied, just say so.
maybe this could even be created as a discussion - allow for some time to respond to the questions, then give a chance for your experts to review the answers and see wether those are fair and sufficient (and really answers, not just a sidestepping a question). repeat, until a satisfactory result is achieved. that would be something interesting to read - and probably will generate even more publicity to you than interviews that have no real answers to soft questions.
um. holocaust is the worst case of history and pain abusal ever. it is turned around a million times and every aspect of it used in some way.
"British historian David Irving has been found guilty in Vienna of denying the Holocaust of European Jewry and sentenced to three years in prison."
wtf ? in every other case he would be rebutted, his errors corrected. holocaust research is permitted, as long the results are in line with some guides. "any colour, as long as it's black". from the interview : "Normally, governments promote and support the work of researchers on historical events and do not put them in prison.". there is only one giant exception.
but this is too much of an offtopic:)
anyway, that pal from iran tells a lot of bullshit - on the one hand he sais that holocaust happened and thus israel should be in europe, on the other hand he denies holocaust.
i don't think so. from the interview : "We are saying that if the Holocaust occurred, then Europe must draw the consequences and that it is not Palestine that should pay the price for it." he basically is saying "if it didn't happen, then wtf is going on with palestinians ? if it happened in europe, then wtf again has this to do with palestinians ?"
he is asking a lot of very good questions that spiegel just ignores or tries to walk around - "But the question is: Why among these 60 million victims are only the Jews the center of attention?"
also, try reading that part about "collective shame". i suggest we dig out every murder, every war in history and try to find a group of people living here, now, and make them responsible for that.
russia has deported, killed and tortured a _lot_ of people during soviet regime. somehow they are not so important as that one particular group. see, it's just a business.
Maybe you have been to the United States, but if you have not, I hope you do come to visit some day.
i'm not from france, but i know a lot of people who refuse to visit usa because of 'interesting' practices required for getting in. accounting for your previous life, derogatory questioning, keeping a lot of private information (us-visit program that includes fingerprinting & facial scans takes this to a new level).
note, i'm not bashing your well-put comment, i am just adding remarks to parts that stood out for me:)
i'd like to note that suse linux _is_ completely free, including updates & upgrades.
novell's products that are called suse linux enterprise server (sles) and novell linux desktop (nld) are "pay -for-support-and-upgrades" products, but you can easily download them for free (i'm not sure about all license details, though - but i don't think there could be anything seriously limiting). basically those two versions are based on suse linux (for example, sles 10 will be based on suse linux 10.1), similar to fedora-rhel relationship. so, um, suse linux is completely free, just like centos, freebsd, ubuntu and others:) (ignoring bsd/gpl/whatever differences).
server distributions stabilise on a particular kernel version and patch it only in really serious situations. if the patch is for a hw problem you don't have, you can safely ignore it. if that is a security issue that is relevant to your environment, yeah, you probably should patch:) but that hardly happens 10-20 times a year.
hmm, i already provided that command, though not a full example:) svn log
that would show you all the revisions that changed the file together with an exact time & the comment. they would be ordered so that last changes are displayed first (or on top)
adding -r 0:HEAD svn log -r 0:HEAD
would show changes in opposite order so that they are printed in chronological order.
if you don't want to see comments and just want a clean info on revisions that changed the file (or directory:) ), you could pipe output through grep ^r[0-9] (though this would also spit out comments that start with r) note that there might be a hell lot more better way to do this, i'm just hacking together some ideas;)
example of such a command performed on amarok INSTALL file :
* Include specific install information in INSTALL * Suggest using --enable-final configure flag as it does wonders when installing amaroK (although not if you compile regularly from cvs obviously)
grrrr. stupid lameness filter disallowed me to post normal output. actually those long entries are separated by a long dashed line:)
i'd like to stress again that i have been using svn server for only a couple of days (though i have used simple co/update/info commands for a little longer:) ), so there probably are better/easier ways to achieve this
i've been using subversion quite recently only, so i might give you a bad advice, but still:)
first, you can preform "svn info ", which would how you some information on the file, including : Last Changed Rev: 356207 Last Changed Date: 2004-10-20 16:06:35 +0300 (Wed, 20 Oct 2004)
additionally you can do "svn log ", which would show you all the changes made to file, including exact revision numbers and times
you can limit log command by issuing -r, which in turn accepts both revision numbers & dates/times (also keywords, but i'm not familiar with them enough). svn log -r {2006-06-01}:{2006-06-08} would show all changes between these two dates (using 00:00:00 for each date, thus no changes from 8th june would be shown here);
svn log -r {12:30}:{18:00} would show changes between two clock times;
and you basically can mix them in any way : svn log -r {2006-01-01}:384
hmm, just checked out one keyword, HEAD - so "svn log -r {2006-01-01}:HEAD" would show all changes from the start of the year =)
somehow i got the impression that locking a file while somebody is working on it isn't the best scneario. copy-modify-merge is much more flexible solution (though it might be harder for binary files and might require specialised parsers) more info here : http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.basic.v sn-models.html
hmm. and how does subversion prevent you from doing that ? i'm new to it, but i've found out that it supposedly allows to have mixed revisions in a single tree
hah. those are pretty new gam... cards. but let's see what i have here... and i bring on the table Simon The Sorcerer ! i've played only first two parts - 2d gaming is soooo underrated today... everybody goes for useless and unneeded 3d-action-crap. meet lsl8. it was an awful crap.
i'd like to note that in no way i said that:) what i meant was that using small steps one can soon transfer into another. and exactly small steps are dangerous, because most people don't object to each small change, but they would object loudly if all these changes were introduced in a single bundle.
imagine all the restrictions and gov power raisings that have taken place over last, let's say, 15 years. now imagine them happening all at once.
i'm not trying to say that nothing like that haven't happened before - but that was done in secrecy and bringing that out to daylight could be dangerous to those who performed different acts. now, we have a german man that is trying to sue for being held for 4 months and tortured in a secret american prison in europe. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/06/terror/ main1099246.shtml and other sources). now, that could hardly get worse in public, could it ? of course it could...
Judge T.S. Ellis declined to even consider the merits of his case, agreeing with the governments claim that letting the case proceed would compromise national security, saying, private interests must give way to the national interest in preserving state secrets. http://www.airamericaradio.com/node/2079
wtf ? at which point has the world become so soft that even when things like that come to our knowledge it is considered normal ? both jefferson & franklin are overcited, but weren't they right ?
i'd just like to note that even though currently slashdot readers from usa can bash china for imprisoning journalists for publishing improper views, they are slowly moving towards similar situation. removing freedoms one by one in small steps (throwing in a bunch of fear, usually from terrorists) is quite effective, as shown here. big brother theories like 1984 or even more modern culture ones like deus ex makes me feel strange. things that seemed almost impossible and funny then are slowly coming to the country near you. or your country. not that many are noticing.
ahh, so math has gotten a separate link to it, of course. impress - well, i suppose it's intended to impress others;) and that calc problem probably is a heritage from mswin usage;)
overall, i think it is very hard to give names to programs so that they are short, nice & appropriate. what's the alternative - calling them word processor, spreadsheet & presentation maker ?
ps. oh, come on, don't tell me you can't determine what a program named "draw" is supposed to do;) base seems pretty easy to understand, too - don't tell me "access" is better =) that could be an accessibility software at best...
hmm. most if not all linux distributions come with a nameserver, usually - bind. the functionality you describe is that of a very simple caching dns server, so - yes:)
I have no idea what each program is from their name ( except writer ). Maybe this is just a fedora 4 menu name thing.
probably. calc, draw and base seem pretty easy to understand to me - and then you're left with impress, which is the last component and also not that hard to grasp:)
unfortunately, it is going pretty slow, at least from the outside:) i tried some post-0.1 builds, but there isn't much reporting - there are sooo many problems that reporting all of them would be impossible:) and i'm sure developers already know about most of them.
other thing that seems strange - roadmap still says that post-0.1 will be updated shortly after 0.1 release... but it still is not updated.
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that's assuming that the 3rd party ever would download the said data
there are quite a lot of places where all inbound traffic is prohibited - ability to download through a bittorrent would reduce load on ftp/http/etc servers - unfortunately, currently i am forced to download everything from the official mirrors.
i am almost not using p2p apps at all, but according to my knowledge it goes like that :
first, it is possible to connect to peers who have incoming ports open. that limits available peers and prohibits anybody else from downloading from such a peer.
second, there are protocols/clients who support connecting of two such peers through a third party. that usually limits network connection speed, but allows communication as long as there's that third party.
i know that there are p2p clients who support such mechanisms and it would be nice for opera to do so, too.
yep, i knew about that parameter (appeared in recent weeklybuilds ;) ), but i would like to have the icon - and i'd like it to behave like every other icon does ;)
hmm. you probably should have provided more information on what we should see,
clicking & scrolling behaved identically for me with opera build 344 and firefox 1.5.0.4
unfortunately, my own pet bugs still are there...
:)
1. opera constantly stats all files in the download list, including already downloaded ones;
2. bittorrent downloads don't work through an http proxy;
3. systray icon in kde breaks icon arrangement with 48px tall kicker
though it is good that google maps buttons now work and icon is transparent
i've heard that usa has been slower at oss adoption, though i don't remember any hard facts.
it is quite interesting here - a lot of companies, big and small, are starting to use more and more oss offerings. biggest drivers are firefox (which in't that huge as basic functionality is very, very similar for web browsers) and openoffice.org.
from the privately owned companis that i know almost all are using oo.org to some extent (though almost all have one or two msoffice copies for problematic files).
most users don't have big problems adapting, especially after they find out that they have to choose between slight wage increase and msoffice - suddenly there are almost no transition problems or loss of productivity.
there are employees who whine about loss of productivity or unability to adapt to oo.org, but after all their colleagues have sucesfully migrated decision makers start to look differently at the perceived inabilty to learn working with a new software - and not as a positive trait.
what's the main message ? surprisingly lot businesses have silently moved to oo.org, so that even i (using oo.org for some 4 years exclusively) am surprised.
why it so rare to see something like "he refused to answer these questions
that might make the responder mad at you, but what's the point from journalistics that ask only the easy questions ?
there are a lot of good questions to ask about interoperability to them, especially about interoperability with opensource software. these questions have been reiterated here a LOT of times - odf support (including full technical discussion about possible usage of it as the default format - i'm sure gary edwards could help you with this information), networking protocols' documentation according to eu demands (i'm sure jeremy, who also has replied to your post, will be glad to help you with questions and background information
you could try compiling questions with a help from experts in all these areas (which would include information on why "because it does not fit our needs" is not an answer) and sort of re-run such an interview.
don't polish it, be fair to your readers - if an answer is denied, just say so.
maybe this could even be created as a discussion - allow for some time to respond to the questions, then give a chance for your experts to review the answers and see wether those are fair and sufficient (and really answers, not just a sidestepping a question). repeat, until a satisfactory result is achieved.
that would be something interesting to read - and probably will generate even more publicity to you than interviews that have no real answers to soft questions.
well. they _could_ start with complying with ec request & release documentation for smb-based communication. could save money on lawyers, too...
oh, don't forget formats loved by everybody - doc, xls, ppt, visio binary format, mspublisher format etc.
it is turned around a million times and every aspect of it used in some way.
"British historian David Irving has been found guilty in Vienna of denying the Holocaust of European Jewry and sentenced to three years in prison."
wtf ? in every other case he would be rebutted, his errors corrected.
holocaust research is permitted, as long the results are in line with some guides. "any colour, as long as it's black".
from the interview : "Normally, governments promote and support the work of researchers on historical events and do not put them in prison.". there is only one giant exception.
but this is too much of an offtopic
i don't think so.
from the interview : "We are saying that if the Holocaust occurred, then Europe must draw the consequences and that it is not Palestine that should pay the price for it."
he basically is saying "if it didn't happen, then wtf is going on with palestinians ? if it happened in europe, then wtf again has this to do with palestinians ?"
he is asking a lot of very good questions that spiegel just ignores or tries to walk around - "But the question is: Why among these 60 million victims are only the Jews the center of attention?"
also, try reading that part about "collective shame".
i suggest we dig out every murder, every war in history and try to find a group of people living here, now, and make them responsible for that.
russia has deported, killed and tortured a _lot_ of people during soviet regime. somehow they are not so important as that one particular group.
see, it's just a business.
or maybe not
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1
that has to be a serious brainwash - i mean, if a pal from iran has to point out that researching history has been prohibited, what's next ?
i'm not from france, but i know a lot of people who refuse to visit usa because of 'interesting' practices required for getting in. accounting for your previous life, derogatory questioning, keeping a lot of private information (us-visit program that includes fingerprinting & facial scans takes this to a new level).
note, i'm not bashing your well-put comment, i am just adding remarks to parts that stood out for me
i'd like to note that suse linux _is_ completely free, including updates & upgrades.
:) (ignoring bsd/gpl/whatever differences).
novell's products that are called suse linux enterprise server (sles) and novell linux desktop (nld) are "pay -for-support-and-upgrades" products, but you can easily download them for free (i'm not sure about all license details, though - but i don't think there could be anything seriously limiting).
basically those two versions are based on suse linux (for example, sles 10 will be based on suse linux 10.1), similar to fedora-rhel relationship.
so, um, suse linux is completely free, just like centos, freebsd, ubuntu and others
server distributions stabilise on a particular kernel version and patch it only in really serious situations. if the patch is for a hw problem you don't have, you can safely ignore it. if that is a security issue that is relevant to your environment, yeah, you probably should patch :)
but that hardly happens 10-20 times a year.
svn log
that would show you all the revisions that changed the file together with an exact time & the comment. they would be ordered so that last changes are displayed first (or on top)
adding -r 0:HEAD
svn log -r 0:HEAD
would show changes in opposite order so that they are printed in chronological order.
if you don't want to see comments and just want a clean info on revisions that changed the file (or directory
note that there might be a hell lot more better way to do this, i'm just hacking together some ideas
example of such a command performed on amarok INSTALL file :
without grep it would look like
grrrr. stupid lameness filter disallowed me to post normal output. actually those long entries are separated by a long dashed line
i'd like to stress again that i have been using svn server for only a couple of days (though i have used simple co/update/info commands for a little longer
i've been using subversion quite recently only, so i might give you a bad advice, but still :)
first, you can preform "svn info ", which would how you some information on the file, including :
Last Changed Rev: 356207
Last Changed Date: 2004-10-20 16:06:35 +0300 (Wed, 20 Oct 2004)
additionally you can do "svn log ", which would show you all the changes made to file, including exact revision numbers and times
you can limit log command by issuing -r, which in turn accepts both revision numbers & dates/times (also keywords, but i'm not familiar with them enough).
svn log -r {2006-06-01}:{2006-06-08}
would show all changes between these two dates (using 00:00:00 for each date, thus no changes from 8th june would be shown here);
svn log -r {12:30}:{18:00}
would show changes between two clock times;
and you basically can mix them in any way :
svn log -r {2006-01-01}:384
hmm, just checked out one keyword, HEAD - so "svn log -r {2006-01-01}:HEAD" would show all changes from the start of the year =)
somehow i got the impression that locking a file while somebody is working on it isn't the best scneario.v sn-models.html
copy-modify-merge is much more flexible solution (though it might be harder for binary files and might require specialised parsers)
more info here :
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.basic.
hmm. and how does subversion prevent you from doing that ?
i n-action.html#svn.basic.in-action.mixedrevs
i'm new to it, but i've found out that it supposedly allows to have mixed revisions in a single tree
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/nightly/en/svn.basic.
will they ship with that file, too ?
hah. those are pretty new gam... cards. but let's see what i have here...
and i bring on the table Simon The Sorcerer !
i've played only first two parts - 2d gaming is soooo underrated today... everybody goes for useless and unneeded 3d-action-crap. meet lsl8. it was an awful crap.
Vista looks cool. Very, very cool.
Like that ?
Might be...
i'd like to note that in no way i said that :)
/ main1099246.shtml and other sources).
what i meant was that using small steps one can soon transfer into another. and exactly small steps are dangerous, because most people don't object to each small change, but they would object loudly if all these changes were introduced in a single bundle.
imagine all the restrictions and gov power raisings that have taken place over last, let's say, 15 years. now imagine them happening all at once.
i'm not trying to say that nothing like that haven't happened before - but that was done in secrecy and bringing that out to daylight could be dangerous to those who performed different acts. now, we have a german man that is trying to sue for being held for 4 months and tortured in a secret american prison in europe. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/06/terror
now, that could hardly get worse in public, could it ? of course it could...
Judge T.S. Ellis declined to even consider the merits of his case, agreeing with the governments claim that letting the case proceed would compromise national security, saying, private interests must give way to the national interest in preserving state secrets.
http://www.airamericaradio.com/node/2079
wtf ? at which point has the world become so soft that even when things like that come to our knowledge it is considered normal ?
both jefferson & franklin are overcited, but weren't they right ?
i'd just like to note that even though currently slashdot readers from usa can bash china for imprisoning journalists for publishing improper views, they are slowly moving towards similar situation.
removing freedoms one by one in small steps (throwing in a bunch of fear, usually from terrorists) is quite effective, as shown here.
big brother theories like 1984 or even more modern culture ones like deus ex makes me feel strange. things that seemed almost impossible and funny then are slowly coming to the country near you. or your country. not that many are noticing.
ahh, so math has gotten a separate link to it, of course. ;) ;)
;)
impress - well, i suppose it's intended to impress others
and that calc problem probably is a heritage from mswin usage
overall, i think it is very hard to give names to programs so that they are short, nice & appropriate. what's the alternative - calling them word processor, spreadsheet & presentation maker ?
ps. oh, come on, don't tell me you can't determine what a program named "draw" is supposed to do
base seems pretty easy to understand, too - don't tell me "access" is better =)
that could be an accessibility software at best...
hmm. most if not all linux distributions come with a nameserver, usually - bind. :)
the functionality you describe is that of a very simple caching dns server, so - yes
I have no idea what each program is from their name ( except writer ). Maybe this is just a fedora 4 menu name thing.
:)
probably. calc, draw and base seem pretty easy to understand to me - and then you're left with impress, which is the last component and also not that hard to grasp
unfortunately, it is going pretty slow, at least from the outside :) :)
i tried some post-0.1 builds, but there isn't much reporting - there are sooo many problems that reporting all of them would be impossible
and i'm sure developers already know about most of them.
other thing that seems strange - roadmap still says that post-0.1 will be updated shortly after 0.1 release... but it still is not updated.