>Outside of benchmarking, what are consumers doing with 500+ MB/sec of sustained transfers from a single drive ? That's a phenomenal amount of of data for a single-user PC.
You should see how snappy an ordinary PC becomes when you've got an SSD for a system and software drive.
Over on G+, ESR has been arguing for the removal of anonymity, pseudonymity, and noms de plume. He claims, repeatedly, that if people are "accountable for what they say" they will behave better online. He calls it the solution to the "Sexygirl69 problem." a "problem" only in his own mind.
Everyone who points out how badly people behave on Facebook under their real names is dismissed with a wave of the hands, as if reality doesn't trump hypotheses. And to add to the insanity, he said that "important people" should be more equal than others and have the right to their celebrity names.
I have the/right/ to call myself anything I want, and as long as I'm not trying to defraud anyone, it's nobody's business. This is the same rule as in meatspace, and in meatspace, courts have sided with anonymity time and again as a fundamental right.
As the discussion progressed and ESR's intransigence became more evident, in a final fit of pique I left the discussion (didn't post a you all suck post, just stopped posting) and deleted the circle. Trying to talk to house plants would be more productive.
The result of this has led me to believe that ESR is no longer a "champion of freedom" but rather the opposite. His way or the highway. And since his opinion has weight in certain circles, I find this rather frightening.
>So, again, how does that make Florian an expert? He's been accused of being a shill for Microsoft, but I don't think anyone with a budget the size of Microsoft's would hire anyone so inept - almost everything he says is wrong. On the subject of patents, he's less accurate than Magic 8 Ball, let alone the average Joe on the streets..
Microsoft hired SCO.
Chew on that one for a while.
Florian is surely on Microsoft's payroll as sure as Robert Enderle, Dan "lyin'" Lyons, everyone at ZDNet, etc.
If I was rich, I'd be in favor of a sales tax. But I'm not. I've dealt with combined GST and PST in Ontario and it seems like highway robbery when you have "mere mortal" wages, especially when "high sales tax" for me is 7 percent while in the States.
>Undocumented laborers and their families consume, they pay. easy math.
A lot of undocumented workers/have been/ paying taxes in the hopes of establishing proof of residency in case immigration reform comes around. IRS doesn't care if you're here illegally.
>Buy something from out of the country - double the sales tax on importation to the country.
BUT BUT PROTECTIONISM!!! ASLDKFQTQ!!!
I agree that we should have tariffs to stop dumping and the general race to the bottom the American worker has to do in order to compete with 35 cent an hour wages in Bangladesh.
>Online shoppers that don't currently pay state sales tax - you'll still pay national sales tax.
It already exists. You're already supposed to be paying this. It's called Use Tax. Businesses keep track of this. Most consumers don't.
An income tax has been the most equitable way to "spread the pain" over the years.
We had a damn good economy in the 1950s with the income tax rates they had back then. We built interstates, schools, and hospitals with it. Now we have an infrastructure crumbling around our ears and wars we aren't paying for.
As of March 2011
Total War Funding by Operation Assuming an annual level of the current Continuing Resolution (H.J.Res. 44/P.L. 112-4) and based on DOD, State Department/USAID, and Department of Veterans Administration budget submissions, the cumulative total appropriated from the 9/11 for those war operations, diplomatic operations, and medical care for Iraq and Afghan war veterans is $1.283 trillion including: â $806 billion for Iraq; â $444 billion for Afghanistan; â $29 billion for enhanced security; and â $6 billion unallocated (see Table 1).
And instead of raising taxes to fund such shenanigans, Bush insisted on cutting taxes, and the "Fiscal Responsibility" whackos still insist on doing the same.
Because, you know, none of that war shit costs anything, obviously.
>It faces intense competition in all of its major markets,
It does?
There's Google, and then there's Bing, and Bing isn't eating any of Google's market share. Not in search and not in selling ads.
Everything else may as well be Cuil.
5 Cuils: You ask for a hamburger, I give you a hamburger. You raise it to your lips and take a bite. Your eye twitches involuntarily. Across the street a father of three falls down the stairs. You swallow and look down at the hamburger in your hands. I give you a hamburger. You swallow and look down at the hamburger in your hands. You cannot swallow. There are children at the top of the stairs. A pickle shifts uneasily under the bun. I give you a hamburger. You look at my face, and I am pleading with you. The children are crying now. You raise the hamburger to your lips, tears stream down your face as you take a bite. I give you a hamburger. You are on your knees. You plead with me to go across the street. I hear only children's laughter. I give you a hamburger. You are screaming as you fall down the stairs. I am your child. You cannot see anything. You take a bite of the hamburger. The concrete rushes up to meet you. You awake with a start in your own bed. Your eye twitches involuntarily. I give you a hamburger. As you kill me, I do not make a sound. I give you a hamburger.
Not using revenue as a tool to decrease the deficit is stupid. The Norquist Nutjobs hung together and they shall definitely hang together if people have a memory come 2012. Holding the rest of us hostage while you have your pissing contest by inserting language unrelated to the matter at hand just to make people reject it is unforgivable.
Boehner said he got 98 percent of what he wanted, a smashing victory for his side. So he can't blame the Democrats for the S&P downgrade.
Republicans, you waged war against the American People. Traitors.
The causes of famine are politics first, logistics second, and lack of actual food last. It's been this way for a long time. If you have warlords refusing NGOs like UNICEF, then the problem isn't spending money on a building a thousand miles away. There is plenty of food to go around. The problem is getting it there.
Filesystem hierarchy is trivial. It is neither patentable nor copyrightable. It is not intellectual property owned by anyone. Copying a filesystem hierarchy is like copying a list of phone numbers from a phone book. Mere listings of facts are not and never were copyrightable. If you are going to say "stealing" with regards to intellectual property, you have to have intellectual property there in the first place.
This is also why following the POSIX standard is not copyright infringement. The POSIX standard is a list of facts that an OS needs to match in order to be called POSIX compliant. How one implements those facts is up to the OS author. There is simply no theft being done.
>cleanroom
Cleanroom implementation is required for originality? Since when? Since when is something ever created in a vacuum? Since when is a "cleanroom implementation" not influenced by outside forces or the thing you're trying to emulate (Phoenix BIOS implementation of the IBM BIOS as a classic example).
Your requirements for something to be called "original" is ridiculous and an impossible bar to pass.
>"Stealing" in the context of intellectual ideas is always metaphorical
No, no it's not. It's not metaphorical. This is the same argument that SCO tried to use against Linux. Either there is identical code or patent infringing algorithms or there aren't. After all these years from 2003, there has yet to be a single line of code shown to be "stolen" from Unix.
Stop redefining words with your own private definitions. This verbiage gaming that you are doing is done by crooked lawyers and politicians everywhere.
>Should I believe Linux sprang fully formed, a system in itself from the loins of Linus?
Argument from incredulity. Also ignoring the history of Linux. It was very rough and very small in the beginning. It was nowhere "fully formed." This "fully formed" bullshit is part of the "Big Lie" that ADTI was using.to discredit Linux as if to say "there's no way Linux could be this functional, there/must/ be stolen code in it."
>Does linux owe it's current form and existence more to Minix and Unix than any other operating systems?
One thing you should get through your brain is that Minix is a microkernel and Linux is monolithic. Your failure to understand this FUNDAMENTAL STRUCTURAL difference in design leads you to think that these are similar. They are not. Your continued arguing in spite of this fact tells me you are basing your entire argument upon a false assumption. For an argument to be valid, the whole chain must be valid. Your argument fails on its most base of assumptions.
There is not a single line of code that is from Minix or Unix in Linux. As shown in court.
>If not show me the evidence, if so then just a matter of settling to which degree.
>Asking me to prove a negative.
My we're full of logical fallacies today.
SCO tried for years to show that Linux had SysV code (you know, actual AT&T Unix, not FreeBSD) in it. There is no "there" there. Your argument has been used by many other people with very large financial interest and consequences if proven true. Yet for years, those with a financial stake were never able to prove a single thing in court. SCO wanted $5 billion from IBM for "stolen code" and were unable to show a single line. They even tried to reopen the USL can of worms and failed.
If you are going to continue to argue SCO's bullshit case all over again, then I suggest you ask Darl McBride how well that worked out for him.
And calling someone disingenuous when someone is indeed disingenuous is not ad-hominem. This is especially true when the alternatives are worse.
The problem is that you have to go to court and spend money you likely do not have (if you're a little guy) to defend yourself against a patent troll, whether the patent is valid or not.
Remember, the courts consider patents valid until they are shown not to be. If you don't put up a defense, you lose.
You're attempting to sound reasonable. But in fact, you're using the same stupid argument that SCO, Microsoft, Dan Wallace, Darl McBride, Robert Enderle, ADTI, etc, all used against Linux to paint it as intellectual theft of Unix.
I may have tossed around the TAL episode about failed cryogenic life extension months ago in a response about a modern cryogenics life extension article on/.
I believe the episode was entitled "Mistakes were made"
Stop looking at patents, you idiot. Actively looking at patents and then violating someone's patent means that you "knew or should have known" of the other patent, infringed on it deliberately, and are now liable for triple damages. This is in contrast to "incidental" infringement of someone's patent.
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>Outside of benchmarking, what are consumers doing with 500+ MB/sec of sustained transfers from a single drive ? That's a phenomenal amount of of data for a single-user PC.
You should see how snappy an ordinary PC becomes when you've got an SSD for a system and software drive.
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It would help if you spelled his name right and used Eric S. Raymond.
He's there, right with his picture...
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Well, yeah, it was my first ever direct dealing with him.
I almost always give people the benefit of the doubt when there are rumors. If the rumors are confirmed, well, then I decide from there what to do.
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Over on G+, ESR has been arguing for the removal of anonymity, pseudonymity, and noms de plume. He claims, repeatedly, that if people are "accountable for what they say" they will behave better online. He calls it the solution to the "Sexygirl69 problem." a "problem" only in his own mind.
Everyone who points out how badly people behave on Facebook under their real names is dismissed with a wave of the hands, as if reality doesn't trump hypotheses. And to add to the insanity, he said that "important people" should be more equal than others and have the right to their celebrity names.
I have the /right/ to call myself anything I want, and as long as I'm not trying to defraud anyone, it's nobody's business. This is the same rule as in meatspace, and in meatspace, courts have sided with anonymity time and again as a fundamental right.
As the discussion progressed and ESR's intransigence became more evident, in a final fit of pique I left the discussion (didn't post a you all suck post, just stopped posting) and deleted the circle. Trying to talk to house plants would be more productive.
The result of this has led me to believe that ESR is no longer a "champion of freedom" but rather the opposite. His way or the highway. And since his opinion has weight in certain circles, I find this rather frightening.
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>So, again, how does that make Florian an expert? He's been accused of being a shill for Microsoft, but I don't think anyone with a budget the size of Microsoft's would hire anyone so inept - almost everything he says is wrong. On the subject of patents, he's less accurate than Magic 8 Ball, let alone the average Joe on the streets..
Microsoft hired SCO.
Chew on that one for a while.
Florian is surely on Microsoft's payroll as sure as Robert Enderle, Dan "lyin'" Lyons, everyone at ZDNet, etc.
"He's just a puppet himself" - Aramaki
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>Of course using revenue to decrease the deficit is a good idea - that's what the tea party has been advocating all along.
So explain why the "deal" was all cuts and no revenue.
>What the democrats refuse to do is accept the fact that we cannot keep spending money faster than we recieve it.
So explain the money we've been spending on wars that aren't giving us any ROI.
It's like talking to a creationist or something where cutting taxes during a war is a good idea and magically leads to a balanced budget.
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>Rich folks consume more, they pay more. easy math.
Sales taxes are regressive. They always have been. Don't just ask me, ask any economist.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/regressivetax.asp
If I was rich, I'd be in favor of a sales tax. But I'm not. I've dealt with combined GST and PST in Ontario and it seems like highway robbery when you have "mere mortal" wages, especially when "high sales tax" for me is 7 percent while in the States.
>Undocumented laborers and their families consume, they pay. easy math.
A lot of undocumented workers /have been/ paying taxes in the hopes of establishing proof of residency in case immigration reform comes around. IRS doesn't care if you're here illegally.
>Buy something from out of the country - double the sales tax on importation to the country.
BUT BUT PROTECTIONISM!!! ASLDKFQTQ!!!
I agree that we should have tariffs to stop dumping and the general race to the bottom the American worker has to do in order to compete with 35 cent an hour wages in Bangladesh.
>Online shoppers that don't currently pay state sales tax - you'll still pay national sales tax.
It already exists. You're already supposed to be paying this. It's called Use Tax. Businesses keep track of this. Most consumers don't.
An income tax has been the most equitable way to "spread the pain" over the years.
We had a damn good economy in the 1950s with the income tax rates they had back then. We built interstates, schools, and hospitals with it. Now we have an infrastructure crumbling around our ears and wars we aren't paying for.
As of March 2011
Total War Funding by Operation
Assuming an annual level of the current Continuing Resolution (H.J.Res. 44/P.L. 112-4) and
based on DOD, State Department/USAID, and Department of Veterans Administration budget
submissions, the cumulative total appropriated from the 9/11 for those war operations, diplomatic
operations, and medical care for Iraq and Afghan war veterans is $1.283 trillion including:
â $806 billion for Iraq;
â $444 billion for Afghanistan;
â $29 billion for enhanced security; and
â $6 billion unallocated (see Table 1).
And instead of raising taxes to fund such shenanigans, Bush insisted on cutting taxes, and the "Fiscal Responsibility" whackos still insist on doing the same.
Because, you know, none of that war shit costs anything, obviously.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf
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...then you're drinking filtered sewage anyway.
Not news.
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>It faces intense competition in all of its major markets,
It does?
There's Google, and then there's Bing, and Bing isn't eating any of Google's market share. Not in search and not in selling ads.
Everything else may as well be Cuil.
5 Cuils: You ask for a hamburger, I give you a hamburger. You raise it to your lips and take a bite. Your eye twitches involuntarily. Across the street a father of three falls down the stairs. You swallow and look down at the hamburger in your hands. I give you a hamburger. You swallow and look down at the hamburger in your hands. You cannot swallow. There are children at the top of the stairs. A pickle shifts uneasily under the bun. I give you a hamburger. You look at my face, and I am pleading with you. The children are crying now. You raise the hamburger to your lips, tears stream down your face as you take a bite. I give you a hamburger. You are on your knees. You plead with me to go across the street. I hear only children's laughter. I give you a hamburger. You are screaming as you fall down the stairs. I am your child. You cannot see anything. You take a bite of the hamburger. The concrete rushes up to meet you. You awake with a start in your own bed. Your eye twitches involuntarily. I give you a hamburger. As you kill me, I do not make a sound. I give you a hamburger.
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Letting the Bush tax cuts expire would not have affected your lifestyle one iota. It certainly wouldn't have affected mine.
Warren Buffet has said that he's not taxed enough.
It's funny. Bush waged 2 wars with no way to pay for them, and people who say we need to pay for them are called socialists.
GFY.
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You don't like to pay taxes? Then go to Somalia. No taxes there. Nothing much else there, either.
Somalia - the Right Wing Paulite Libertarian Paradise.
Go there, today.
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Not using revenue as a tool to decrease the deficit is stupid. The Norquist Nutjobs hung together and they shall definitely hang together if people have a memory come 2012. Holding the rest of us hostage while you have your pissing contest by inserting language unrelated to the matter at hand just to make people reject it is unforgivable.
Boehner said he got 98 percent of what he wanted, a smashing victory for his side. So he can't blame the Democrats for the S&P downgrade.
Republicans, you waged war against the American People. Traitors.
Go ahead, mod me down. Fuck you. I'm mad.
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Hnnngggggg.....
There is a period at the end of that. Make sure to include the period.
Stupid slashcode.
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Bad linky.
Real linky.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_v._International_Business_Machines_Corp._et_al.
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Protip:
The causes of famine are politics first, logistics second, and lack of actual food last. It's been this way for a long time. If you have warlords refusing NGOs like UNICEF, then the problem isn't spending money on a building a thousand miles away. There is plenty of food to go around. The problem is getting it there.
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>Sheesh, what a FUD trip this is.. there are non-MS implementations of .Net that are open-source and support cross platform
But nobody ever uses them, because they are all subsets of Microsoft's .NET framework.
You can't simply take source that uses .NET and have it work on mono. It just doesn't work that way. Mono is laughable.
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>I've been using Xfce for a long time, because Gnome and KDE are both festering piles of bloat
Then you haven't paid attention to XFCE's mission creep and "bloat" itself over the years.
XFCE is almost as big as Gnome2's "bloat"
You want "no bloat" while still having a GUI? Go run FVWM or FVWM-Crystal.
Anything more and bitching about bloat is hypocrisy.
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>filesystem hierarchy
Filesystem hierarchy is trivial. It is neither patentable nor copyrightable. It is not intellectual property owned by anyone. Copying a filesystem hierarchy is like copying a list of phone numbers from a phone book. Mere listings of facts are not and never were copyrightable. If you are going to say "stealing" with regards to intellectual property, you have to have intellectual property there in the first place.
This is also why following the POSIX standard is not copyright infringement. The POSIX standard is a list of facts that an OS needs to match in order to be called POSIX compliant. How one implements those facts is up to the OS author. There is simply no theft being done.
>cleanroom
Cleanroom implementation is required for originality? Since when? Since when is something ever created in a vacuum? Since when is a "cleanroom implementation" not influenced by outside forces or the thing you're trying to emulate (Phoenix BIOS implementation of the IBM BIOS as a classic example).
Your requirements for something to be called "original" is ridiculous and an impossible bar to pass.
>"Stealing" in the context of intellectual ideas is always metaphorical
No, no it's not. It's not metaphorical. This is the same argument that SCO tried to use against Linux. Either there is identical code or patent infringing algorithms or there aren't. After all these years from 2003, there has yet to be a single line of code shown to be "stolen" from Unix.
Stop redefining words with your own private definitions. This verbiage gaming that you are doing is done by crooked lawyers and politicians everywhere.
>Should I believe Linux sprang fully formed, a system in itself from the loins of Linus?
Argument from incredulity. Also ignoring the history of Linux. It was very rough and very small in the beginning. It was nowhere "fully formed." This "fully formed" bullshit is part of the "Big Lie" that ADTI was using.to discredit Linux as if to say "there's no way Linux could be this functional, there /must/ be stolen code in it."
>Does linux owe it's current form and existence more to Minix and Unix than any other operating systems?
One thing you should get through your brain is that Minix is a microkernel and Linux is monolithic. Your failure to understand this FUNDAMENTAL STRUCTURAL difference in design leads you to think that these are similar. They are not. Your continued arguing in spite of this fact tells me you are basing your entire argument upon a false assumption. For an argument to be valid, the whole chain must be valid. Your argument fails on its most base of assumptions.
There is not a single line of code that is from Minix or Unix in Linux. As shown in court.
>If not show me the evidence, if so then just a matter of settling to which degree.
>Asking me to prove a negative.
My we're full of logical fallacies today.
SCO tried for years to show that Linux had SysV code (you know, actual AT&T Unix, not FreeBSD) in it. There is no "there" there. Your argument has been used by many other people with very large financial interest and consequences if proven true. Yet for years, those with a financial stake were never able to prove a single thing in court. SCO wanted $5 billion from IBM for "stolen code" and were unable to show a single line. They even tried to reopen the USL can of worms and failed.
If you are going to continue to argue SCO's bullshit case all over again, then I suggest you ask Darl McBride how well that worked out for him.
And calling someone disingenuous when someone is indeed disingenuous is not ad-hominem. This is especially true when the alternatives are worse.
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Because that's all you might have in the drawer at the time.
Also, who needs a photodiode when you've got glass germanium diodes that you can shine light on?
These fancy kids and their specialized devices...
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The problem is that you have to go to court and spend money you likely do not have (if you're a little guy) to defend yourself against a patent troll, whether the patent is valid or not.
Remember, the courts consider patents valid until they are shown not to be. If you don't put up a defense, you lose.
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So he should just give up?
What a cowardly position you are taking.
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My, we're disingenuous here.
You're attempting to sound reasonable. But in fact, you're using the same stupid argument that SCO, Microsoft, Dan Wallace, Darl McBride, Robert Enderle, ADTI, etc, all used against Linux to paint it as intellectual theft of Unix.
You are the one that said "stole" first, bucko.
You are intellectually dishonest.
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I may have tossed around the TAL episode about failed cryogenic life extension months ago in a response about a modern cryogenics life extension article on /.
I believe the episode was entitled "Mistakes were made"
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/354/mistakes-were-made/
TAL is the best show on radio or TV.
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>Is there any way for me to be sure that using this code is safe from any patent troll attacks if I choose to use it?
Short answer: No
Long answer: There are duplicate patents of everything out there. This was explained in the This American Life episode 441. http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/441/when-patents-attack
Solution:
Stop looking at patents, you idiot. Actively looking at patents and then violating someone's patent means that you "knew or should have known" of the other patent, infringed on it deliberately, and are now liable for triple damages. This is in contrast to "incidental" infringement of someone's patent.
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CNC machining didn't make machinists obsolete. Just another tool in the belt.
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