And in 1789, Samuel Slater "borrowed" English technology. There was no "innovation" (so to speak) except carrying the plans in the bloody great cranium of his.
And he was a hero for it.
Trying to block off "IP" in this case is shoveling shit against the tide whether you like it or not.
There is a whole lot of refusing to see all this through the eyes of the Chinese in this discussion by people with their panties in a twist. It's happening folks, the Industrial and Information Revolutions have simultaneously come to China and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
I'm not sure what your point is, but last I checked, the Chinese are doing pretty good in aerospace, are aiming for the moon, and well, are motivated to get shit right when it comes to aerospace.
I think the Chinese will pull it off. Indeed, I hope they do, to light a fire under the complacent asses currently inhabiting my country - the US.
Your post positively reeks of such complacency and whistling past the graveyard.
Have you ever paid attention to the OS trends in the Top500? All the proprietary OSes are disappearing. It used to be nearly all proprietary Unix and BSD. Now it's 91 percent Linux.
Linux doesn't scale? It fits in toasters and supercomputers. I think that's pretty good scaling if you ask me.
You could probably make the argument in 1991 when Linus smote the ground and came up with the kernel, but not anymore. You could probably even make that argument before kernel 2.0. But since then? Claiming that Linux doesn't scale well just makes you look like a Microsoft fanboy whistling while walking past the graveyard at best.
Working in retail gets you nearly 28 bux/hr. A "department manager" in Canada Tire, aka Crappy Tire. I've done that kind of work before here in a similar store, and you don't really need any kind of special education to do it, just keep up on your inventory and fluff the shelves. It's easy work.
Journeyman electrician - 90k
Compare and contrast to the exact same jobs here in the Northeast US where I live. Salaries are roughly about half of that.
When a speculator can register thousands of names and move them around for free by playing the system, is there any wonder that.com is "mined out"? When a registrar front-runs domain names (Network Solutions) and fills the space with reserved names for itself, is there any wonder that.com is "mined out"?
Get rid of domain tasting and other shenanigans and the problem will go away.
Have you _seen_ what a unionized heavy equipment operator gets?
Or how about up in the frozen North where they dig for oil? $2K/Week TAKE HOME (canadian, worth more than USian now) just for digging a great big ditch.
Because there are plenty of countries with old laws still in books since nobody has had time to clean them out,
No, actually, it's not a new law. The last time this blasphemy law in Ireland was updated was in the last year.
Are they succeeding? Doesn't seem so to me.
No, they aren't succeeding, they are SIMPLY HOLDING PRAYER BREAKFASTS ATTENDED BY EVERY PRESIDENT IN THE LAST 40 YEARS. Yes, the same people who encouraged Uganda to "Kill the faggots" hold fucking prayer breakfasts for the politicians they have the ears of. And then they go on to lobby them. Some even help various senators and reps with housing by giving them cut-rate apartments.
No, Talibanistic fundamentalism is not "just below the surface" everywhere.
Sadly, the problem is with islamism (and maybe with islam).
No, the problem is with god botherers in general.
You forgot to include Ireland up there in your list. You can be fined 25,000 euros if you renounce the Sacraments, etc.
Here in the States, there are people clamoring to bring our country into some sort of religious theocratic throwback to the 12'th century. Some of them even sponsor "prayer breakfasts" for our esteemed legislators.
Google "Dominionism" and "The Family" (The so-called "Christian" group that incited Uganda to kill gays), Focus on the Family, Christian Coalition, etc.
Talibanistic fundamentalism is only just below the surface just about everywhere. It only takes a little bit of tipping the table to have it spring full force to the surface.
You're not even replying to anything I said, except to post an ill-informed rant.
There are *three* package types. And what these do is far more than anything seen in the Windows universe.
Windows doesn't even *have* a packaging scheme. Sure, there are installers, but that's all they do. There is no dependency resolution. There isn't any updating except manually or if the individual program checks by itself. Things really haven't come very far from the self-extracting.zip file method of installing. What we've gotten over the years is a graphical front-end to an archive extraction and a script to tweak the registry, and a script to uninstall. That's it. It's arcane. It's stone knives and bear skins.
At least Microsoft dispensed with the bogus "add and remove software" and renamed it "remove software" in the Control Panel. In XP if you came from Debian, you'd expect the "add and remove software" would be where you'd find the Windows equivalent of Synaptic. Sorry, chuckles, it's not. Now in Windows 7 it's finally fixed. It's a small amount of honesty, but it's still better than before.
And besides, do you know how long it takes to make a package for Linux after compiling? Literally less than 5 minutes, and it can be automated. Doing packaging for 3 package formats (.deb,.rpm, tar.gz) is not a lot of work at all.
What is available for software take packaging and distribution for Linux software is light years ahead of anything seen in the Windows universe. The Apple "app store" is the only thing that comes close and even that is clunky compared to a fully functioning Debian or RPM repository.
Your rant is typical of the Windows user who thinks he knows anything about Linux but doesn't really. I suggest you acquaint yourself with what you're talking about before you open your mouth here again and sound even more silly.
Where something like this "CDE" might be handy is for software that is not in the package manager. Suppose you've written a program that is only of interest to a handful of users. There's no way it's going to find package maintainers for every major distro, and your users might not be happy building from source code
So do the packaging yourself. It's not hard. And when you're done, you have something sitting in the RPM or DEB database with all the others so you can keep track of it.
There are also classes of software that are not allowed in the main repositories for some major distros like Fedora and Debian. For example, the authors of indie games might want to let Linux users play without making the whole game open source. Even if they open-sourced the engine, some distros will not permit it in the repos if its only use is to access non-free data.
So set up your own ppa (or rpm equivalent) repository. Your customers can add the repository to their list and then keep track of the package. You seem to be under the impression that repositories are only for "approved" software or that package managers can only handle a small number of entries. I have over 150 entries in/etc/apt/sources.list. Adding another one is no big deal. You also seem to think that licensing issues affect what you can put in a repository. It doesn't matter if you have your own repo. You could put commercial software in there, like Sun/Oracle with their VirtualBox.
Package management and repositories as they exist in the Linux world are better ways of handling the distribution of software both free and commercial than anything else I've seen on any platform.
This "CDE" doesn't solve any problems, but introduces its own "dll hell"
At last check, the patentability of naturally occurring genes was still possible. Last week the justice department sided against this in court, but I don't think a decision has been handed down yet.
Algorithms (math) are currently still being patented.
Why disallow software? Because it's *already covered by copyright* Indeed, copyright seems to be the stronger of the pair. Why patent the underlying math? a 20 years? That's an eternity for a company to monetize its intellectual property. 25 years ago was Windows 1.0. Before 15 years ago, patents weren't even very popular in software. The dotcom boom was built mostly without patents. It's only in the last 10 years we have seen patents explode with software and the only thing we see as a result of this is patent war chests and companies having to shell out money for lawyers instead of actual r&d.
>denying rights
No, patents are not a right. They are a privilege of monopoly granted by the government. There's a difference and determining what classes "deserve" monopoly is certainly something that can be done by a government.
There was a time when holding a patent meant you did some groundbreaking, revolutionary or even slightly creative thinking. Now? We've patented exercising a cat with a laser pointer and everything else under the sun, whether innovative or not. All you really need is the paperwork, the fee and a lawyer skilled in the art of writing patents. "I hold some patents" used to mean something. Now all it gets is a shrug and a "yeah, and?"
How about instead we hire more examiners (ooooooh, big government! bad! bad!), reduce the kinds of things that can be patented (disallow nature and math and software) and introduce a little sanity?
Because at this rate there isn't any "examining" going on.
I just looked at the numbers. I am assuming the 450,000 patent applications per month is correct.
There are roughly 6,200 patent examiners for utility patents, on to which there are roughly 3,000 patents per hour (450,000/160 hours in a month at a maximum).
A patent examiner in my fictional world of a full 8 hour day of work, therefore, has less than two hours to give a thumbs up or down on a patent. But it's never 8 hours. More like 6.5 if the Patent Office follows typical business productivity figures. And a patent application is never in English. It's in Patent-Attorney-Speak and deliberately obfuscated and wide enough to drive a truck through, with every trick tried to game the system. To expect the detection of prior art by a patent examiner is too much to ask for.
2) You can't re-sell a steam-bought game, unlike games with the "check-if-you-have-the-disc"-style DRM (or no DRM at all, like GOG).
When the "buy a fresh copy from Steam" is 5-10 bucks (or sometimes FREE) and the same game from the brick&mortar used is 20-35, the resale market is hosed with or without DRM.
4) As said elsewhere, this is killing their business model and they aren't forced to sell games that use Steam.
No, what is killing their business model is making it impossible for shop owners to buy a used game at 5 bucks and resell it at 20-35 because the online model gets rid of the markup that the brick&mortars do.
No, he doesn't say that. He even goes on to say to not think too hard about passwords for websites that you don't care about. It all depends on the situation.
Always use randomly generated password
He doesn't say that either. He said pick a "good password" which is defined as something not easily guessable. Password policies that are overly restrictive create situations where people create easily guessable passwords (requires numbers? sing a Feist song while you type 1,2,3,4) and password recycling. Bruce has written about this before.
Never same them to browser cookies
ITYM "save" instead of "same"
He didn't say that either.
Never write them down so they can't be stolen
Bruce said to write them down or use PasswordSafe or something similar.
Bruce isn't crazy and a lot of his article was common sense. Don't you feel silly now?
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And in 1789, Samuel Slater "borrowed" English technology. There was no "innovation" (so to speak) except carrying the plans in the bloody great cranium of his.
And he was a hero for it.
Trying to block off "IP" in this case is shoveling shit against the tide whether you like it or not.
There is a whole lot of refusing to see all this through the eyes of the Chinese in this discussion by people with their panties in a twist. It's happening folks, the Industrial and Information Revolutions have simultaneously come to China and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
Roll with it baby. - Steve Winwood.
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I'm not sure what your point is, but last I checked, the Chinese are doing pretty good in aerospace, are aiming for the moon, and well, are motivated to get shit right when it comes to aerospace.
I think the Chinese will pull it off. Indeed, I hope they do, to light a fire under the complacent asses currently inhabiting my country - the US.
Your post positively reeks of such complacency and whistling past the graveyard.
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This is marked insightful?
This is the same shit uttered about the Japanese in the 1960s and early 70s before they kicked everyone's ass in the 80s.
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Linux is and always has been designed with extreme outward AND upward scaling in mind
>always
You conveniently snipped "you could have made that argument..."
Your argument is not only existentially fallacious, but you put words in my mouth.
Cunt.
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- What kind of performance can an actual program achieve on Windows on that hardware?
Less than on Linux, and that's what counts in the end, isn't it?
Coupled with the fact that licenses eat into the budget a significant amount, Windows TCO is not the bargain that Microsoft would like you to believe.
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Wait, what?
Have you ever paid attention to the OS trends in the Top500? All the proprietary OSes are disappearing. It used to be nearly all proprietary Unix and BSD. Now it's 91 percent Linux.
Here's a graph showing the demise of Unix in the Top500
http://www.top500.org/overtime/list/36/osfam
Linux doesn't scale? It fits in toasters and supercomputers. I think that's pretty good scaling if you ask me.
You could probably make the argument in 1991 when Linus smote the ground and came up with the kernel, but not anymore. You could probably even make that argument before kernel 2.0. But since then? Claiming that Linux doesn't scale well just makes you look like a Microsoft fanboy whistling while walking past the graveyard at best.
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Did you even read the links?
Working in retail gets you nearly 28 bux/hr. A "department manager" in Canada Tire, aka Crappy Tire. I've done that kind of work before here in a similar store, and you don't really need any kind of special education to do it, just keep up on your inventory and fluff the shelves. It's easy work.
Journeyman electrician - 90k
Compare and contrast to the exact same jobs here in the Northeast US where I live. Salaries are roughly about half of that.
Here ya go, a steaming cup of STFU.
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It's squatted, sniped, tasted, and front-run out.
When a speculator can register thousands of names and move them around for free by playing the system, is there any wonder that .com is "mined out"? When a registrar front-runs domain names (Network Solutions) and fills the space with reserved names for itself, is there any wonder that .com is "mined out"?
Get rid of domain tasting and other shenanigans and the problem will go away.
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You're in Kapitalist Alaska.
It's not Socialist Canada.
My source was not unreliable. It was Money Talks on NPR, a discussion on the boom-town that is Ft McMurray.
AKA Fort McMoney.
It's time to hop across the border. You're being fucked.
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Ditch digging is shit labor and shit money?
Have you _seen_ what a unionized heavy equipment operator gets?
Or how about up in the frozen North where they dig for oil? $2K/Week TAKE HOME (canadian, worth more than USian now) just for digging a great big ditch.
Yeah, I'll take digging a ditch right about now.
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Search is currently no better than it was 10, 15, 20 years ago.
20 years ago?
Really?
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Google is a monopoly as long as the alternatives suck.
Seriously.
I have yet to see Bing, Yahoo, Altavista, Webcrawler, Lycos, etc, bring their products up to speed to offer better alternatives to Google's offerings.
There is nothing stopping Microsoft making Bing a successful alternative to Google except maybe the poor algorithms they use.
Oh yeah, and where are my advanced search functions, Bing?
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>No, actually, it's not a new law.
new should be old.
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Because there are plenty of countries with old laws still in books since nobody has had time to clean them out,
No, actually, it's not a new law. The last time this blasphemy law in Ireland was updated was in the last year.
Are they succeeding? Doesn't seem so to me.
No, they aren't succeeding, they are SIMPLY HOLDING PRAYER BREAKFASTS ATTENDED BY EVERY PRESIDENT IN THE LAST 40 YEARS. Yes, the same people who encouraged Uganda to "Kill the faggots" hold fucking prayer breakfasts for the politicians they have the ears of. And then they go on to lobby them. Some even help various senators and reps with housing by giving them cut-rate apartments.
No, Talibanistic fundamentalism is not "just below the surface" everywhere.
Go look up C Street.
Really. You need a fucking education.
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Sadly, the problem is with islamism (and maybe with islam).
No, the problem is with god botherers in general.
You forgot to include Ireland up there in your list. You can be fined 25,000 euros if you renounce the Sacraments, etc.
Here in the States, there are people clamoring to bring our country into some sort of religious theocratic throwback to the 12'th century. Some of them even sponsor "prayer breakfasts" for our esteemed legislators.
Google "Dominionism" and "The Family" (The so-called "Christian" group that incited Uganda to kill gays), Focus on the Family, Christian Coalition, etc.
Talibanistic fundamentalism is only just below the surface just about everywhere. It only takes a little bit of tipping the table to have it spring full force to the surface.
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You're not even replying to anything I said, except to post an ill-informed rant.
There are *three* package types. And what these do is far more than anything seen in the Windows universe.
Windows doesn't even *have* a packaging scheme. Sure, there are installers, but that's all they do. There is no dependency resolution. There isn't any updating except manually or if the individual program checks by itself. Things really haven't come very far from the self-extracting .zip file method of installing. What we've gotten over the years is a graphical front-end to an archive extraction and a script to tweak the registry, and a script to uninstall. That's it. It's arcane. It's stone knives and bear skins.
At least Microsoft dispensed with the bogus "add and remove software" and renamed it "remove software" in the Control Panel. In XP if you came from Debian, you'd expect the "add and remove software" would be where you'd find the Windows equivalent of Synaptic. Sorry, chuckles, it's not. Now in Windows 7 it's finally fixed. It's a small amount of honesty, but it's still better than before.
And besides, do you know how long it takes to make a package for Linux after compiling? Literally less than 5 minutes, and it can be automated. Doing packaging for 3 package formats (.deb, .rpm, tar.gz) is not a lot of work at all.
What is available for software take packaging and distribution for Linux software is light years ahead of anything seen in the Windows universe. The Apple "app store" is the only thing that comes close and even that is clunky compared to a fully functioning Debian or RPM repository.
Your rant is typical of the Windows user who thinks he knows anything about Linux but doesn't really. I suggest you acquaint yourself with what you're talking about before you open your mouth here again and sound even more silly.
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Where something like this "CDE" might be handy is for software that is not in the package manager. Suppose you've written a program that is only of interest to a handful of users. There's no way it's going to find package maintainers for every major distro, and your users might not be happy building from source code
So do the packaging yourself. It's not hard. And when you're done, you have something sitting in the RPM or DEB database with all the others so you can keep track of it.
There are also classes of software that are not allowed in the main repositories for some major distros like Fedora and Debian. For example, the authors of indie games might want to let Linux users play without making the whole game open source. Even if they open-sourced the engine, some distros will not permit it in the repos if its only use is to access non-free data.
So set up your own ppa (or rpm equivalent) repository. Your customers can add the repository to their list and then keep track of the package. You seem to be under the impression that repositories are only for "approved" software or that package managers can only handle a small number of entries. I have over 150 entries in /etc/apt/sources.list. Adding another one is no big deal. You also seem to think that licensing issues affect what you can put in a repository. It doesn't matter if you have your own repo. You could put commercial software in there, like Sun/Oracle with their VirtualBox.
Package management and repositories as they exist in the Linux world are better ways of handling the distribution of software both free and commercial than anything else I've seen on any platform.
This "CDE" doesn't solve any problems, but introduces its own "dll hell"
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>Nature and math can't be patented.
At last check, the patentability of naturally occurring genes was still possible. Last week the justice department sided against this in court, but I don't think a decision has been handed down yet.
Algorithms (math) are currently still being patented.
Why disallow software? Because it's *already covered by copyright* Indeed, copyright seems to be the stronger of the pair. Why patent the underlying math? a 20 years? That's an eternity for a company to monetize its intellectual property. 25 years ago was Windows 1.0. Before 15 years ago, patents weren't even very popular in software. The dotcom boom was built mostly without patents. It's only in the last 10 years we have seen patents explode with software and the only thing we see as a result of this is patent war chests and companies having to shell out money for lawyers instead of actual r&d.
>denying rights
No, patents are not a right. They are a privilege of monopoly granted by the government. There's a difference and determining what classes "deserve" monopoly is certainly something that can be done by a government.
There was a time when holding a patent meant you did some groundbreaking, revolutionary or even slightly creative thinking. Now? We've patented exercising a cat with a laser pointer and everything else under the sun, whether innovative or not. All you really need is the paperwork, the fee and a lawyer skilled in the art of writing patents. "I hold some patents" used to mean something. Now all it gets is a shrug and a "yeah, and?"
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How is 2 hours/application "foot dragging"?
How about instead we hire more examiners (ooooooh, big government! bad! bad!), reduce the kinds of things that can be patented (disallow nature and math and software) and introduce a little sanity?
Because at this rate there isn't any "examining" going on.
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My explanation of "It's another water heater from Mythbusters" was far more entertaining.
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I just looked at the numbers. I am assuming the 450,000 patent applications per month is correct.
There are roughly 6,200 patent examiners for utility patents, on to which there are roughly 3,000 patents per hour (450,000/160 hours in a month at a maximum).
A patent examiner in my fictional world of a full 8 hour day of work, therefore, has less than two hours to give a thumbs up or down on a patent. But it's never 8 hours. More like 6.5 if the Patent Office follows typical business productivity figures. And a patent application is never in English. It's in Patent-Attorney-Speak and deliberately obfuscated and wide enough to drive a truck through, with every trick tried to game the system. To expect the detection of prior art by a patent examiner is too much to ask for.
The patent office is bogus.
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2) You can't re-sell a steam-bought game, unlike games with the "check-if-you-have-the-disc"-style DRM (or no DRM at all, like GOG).
When the "buy a fresh copy from Steam" is 5-10 bucks (or sometimes FREE) and the same game from the brick&mortar used is 20-35, the resale market is hosed with or without DRM.
4) As said elsewhere, this is killing their business model and they aren't forced to sell games that use Steam.
No, what is killing their business model is making it impossible for shop owners to buy a used game at 5 bucks and resell it at 20-35 because the online model gets rid of the markup that the brick&mortars do.
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I ran into one where the username was a name and a number
The number then became the password.
"How did they guess the password?" was the question asked of me.
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You didn't read the fine article to the end.
Never use the same password in two places
No, he doesn't say that. He even goes on to say to not think too hard about passwords for websites that you don't care about. It all depends on the situation.
Always use randomly generated password
He doesn't say that either. He said pick a "good password" which is defined as something not easily guessable. Password policies that are overly restrictive create situations where people create easily guessable passwords (requires numbers? sing a Feist song while you type 1,2,3,4) and password recycling. Bruce has written about this before.
Never same them to browser cookies
ITYM "save" instead of "same"
He didn't say that either.
Never write them down so they can't be stolen
Bruce said to write them down or use PasswordSafe or something similar.
Bruce isn't crazy and a lot of his article was common sense. Don't you feel silly now?
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This is what makes the Steam DRM tolerable.
Why pirate when the prices are so reasonable? The music and movie publishers could learn a thing or two here.
Cater to the customer. There is no ????, just profit.
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