These are the same people over the past decades who have done nothing except spout nonsense.
They're the nuttier parts of the Tea Party. They're the ones comparing Obama to Hitler. They're the ones that said your grandma is going into an oven. They're the ones that came up with "death panels" bullshit.
They. Are. Nuts.
I've seen other people calling you out being modded down. Go ahead, mods, mod me down, but before you do, look here:
What I want to know is if we're going to waste expensive helium on this or inflate it with hydrogen?
Weather balloons, hobbyist stratospheric balloons, etc, are usually filled with helium. But the only rationale for using helium is that it doesn't burn. It's more expensive than hydrogen. It's less efficient than hydrogen, and we only have so much helium left. We're not sending up people. There is no reason to use helium, really.
Summers can be spectacular here. Fall is nice until the rain starts, and then the snow, and then the dark, and everyone hides out until late March. That's unless you ski, then you're off to New Hampshire or Vermont every weekend. But of course, ski snobs from the Rockies and Olympics think the mountains here are merely hills.
Nobody has been arguing for gluttony. Not in the thread, not in the summary and not in the story. You have set something up and pointed at it and called it ridiculous. This is known as the straw man.
and I've been exaggerating that attitude, in this discussion, to be contrarian.
It's called trolling.
But it seems to me to be fundamentally perverse to place the taste, texture, and appearance of food above its material function.
It seems perverse to me that you think people shouldn't treat themselves from time to time and eat food they like and enjoy themselves. You equate this with gluttony, and I find this sad, and in the light of your list of "permissible excesses" paragraph, hypocritical.
You have not made a sensible point. You have written nonsense.
You are obviously someone who has never had a good meal in his life.
Where is this epicurean desert that you live in that I can avoid it?
Given the choice between some good labor intensive peasant food (I'm Polish) and "utilitarian food," I'm going to be loading the plate up with some pierogis thanks.
Saying that eating should only be for nutrition is like saying sex should only be for reproduction. I reject your outlook. It is without enjoyment. It is spartan for the sole reason of utility. It is a dour, rainy day in late November.
" I'm not certain that it's a correct statement of the implementation"
GPS receivers are not transmitters. Phones are.
The implementation is this:
By law, cellphones require either triangulation via cell towers or gps. The expensive ones have GPS. Only the owner of the phone or the government (by subpoena, warrant, or E911 rescue) can pull GPS data from the phone. The former because it's a selling point. The latter, because of Emergency 911. If the fire department or police can't find you, they can't save your ass.
Your phone isn transmitting GPS coordinates to all and sundry all the time. It's only in certain situations that it's used for tracking. There is still a legal expectation of privacy. We don't willy nilly give up our privacy because GPS is there, not unless you choose to.
The article's saying that we give up our privacy because of the use of GPS enabled *phones* is a specious argument at best. The data is not sold to the highest bidder. If it was, I suppose a few phone companies would be guilty of wiretapping.
It's actually easy to opt out of cellphone GPS and triangulation if you needlessly worry about this stuff. Use internet phone services like Skype and Net2Phone (around since the 1990s) and a wifi enabled device. Done.
"He uses the example of how we give up our location for turn by turn GPS directions. " and neither does he.
I don't think you know how GPS works.
It does not work by sending data back to the satellites. All the software and data is stored within the device. It does not transmit anything. It is a RECEIVER of time signals from the GPS satellites.
A GPS receiver, like TomTom or Garmin doesn't transmit. Ever.
Therefore, the "gps turn-by turn" gives up your privacy is complete bullshit.
After clicking through the links, I'm going to have to agree with you 100%.
The summary as written by theodp seems trollish, and makes one wonder what axe he's grinding here.
I like simple. But simple only goes so far until you need something more robust. Scissors are simple. But they won't cut down a tree without significant time, effort, and insanity.
I'm not familiar with these APIs, but skimming the text, I know I could comprehend the concepts of dealing with data in the "cloud' if I decided I needed to. My thing right now is rexx, bash, tcl, and manipulating stuff locally, not in "the cloud" (gawd I hate that term).
Last I checked, Joe User isn't interested in coding anything, or even typing logical operators in a dialog box, so it doesn't matter how simple the API is, he's going to bother with it. So let's keep the complex and powerful APIs and let the trolls and malcontents whine.
"Consumer robotics is a new product category and building [applications] there requires leveraging the capabilities and inspiration of a broader community," he says. "This is exactly what we want to do.
I'm sorry, but consumer robotics is not real robotics. Consumer robotics is toy robotics because anything other than toy robots, when operated by Joe or Jane Consumer, can kill people.
>It's a news server... but it's not a network, it's not a part of usenet. They control everything and nuke any destructive elements.
It's called moderated groups. And you can have those on Usenet if you want.
Don't like unmoderated groups? Don't read them. Stick with Big 8 and stay out of the alt groups. How hard is that? The chaos groups and moderated groups have lived side-by-side ever since the creation of the alt* hierarchy.
And to say there's no such thing as an ip filter, what do you think the "nntp-posting-host" line is there for? Eh?
A lot of this has been hammered out over the years. Stop going to alt* if you don't like chaos.
>Sigh, I was not suggesting we should pull BluRays over one server
And neither was I. I was talking about your idea of having a central server for all groups. Even if it's just for text groups, suppose the provider goes from good management to bad management and it goes tits up? Gone. This has happened time and again with web forums. Indeed, it goes against what you said about having redundancy in the latter part of your post.
>Don't carry the binary groups, nuke anything base64/uue/yEnc encoded or anything else that catches on.
I'm all for this.
>What you're left with of plain text as in real plain text should be very easy to host anywhere, particularly if you split it by group. And you can have redundancy,
the reality is you're just pissed off at finally losing a service that was being provided to you via subsidy from the majority of other subscribers to your ISP.
I think you have it wrong, mate, being a text group user means I've been subsidizing the binary leechers.
Certainly your subscription alone wouldn't have covered the cost of running the usenet servers.
Since when is the cost of my use of text Usenet even approaching the cost of the pirates?
If you don't want to pay your fair share
My fair share? MY FAIR SHARE?
Take your attitude and shove it squarely up your arse.
You can do the same thing by installing Squid. And that's what really blows my mind: that ISPs aren't supplying caching proxies. If they won't supply a cache for the most popular protocol (http), then it's not a surprise that they won't supply Usenet either.
Nobody ever claimed that business types were smart.
You're not thinking from a cost management perspective.
All the text spam in the world does not amount to the bandwidth of a single popular binary group. Text spam is low bandwidth. The cost of maintaining binary support is huge. I could snarf all of the text groups on Giganews' lowest cost plan and probably have room left over. The price for their top tier is 10x that.
Simply going by Giganews' pricing, and assuming it's proportional to the cost of maintenance, maintaining binaries is 10x more expensive than text only.
As for controlling spam, there are plenty of groups out there that can control spam through moderation. And even in the unmoderated text groups I frequent, spam isn't an issue. Do you know where I find the most spam? In the binaries, because the ground is more fertile there, and the toothless masses only want their forbidden pictures of Traci Lords and pirated content and will click on ANYTHING.
>I don't even think I've had an ISP in the UK for years now that's had binary newsgroup access, only text. I think it was about 2003 since I was last with an ISP that provided binary newsgroup access.
That's the difference.
Here, in the US, ISPs had carried all of Usenet. Even the binaries. What is happening now is that the binary groups have become so large they dwarf the text groups and the bulk of the cost is for those.
So rather than simply dump just the binary groups, ISPs in the US are dumping all of Usenet.
By the way, when the number of binary-carrying Usenet servers declines to just a handful of companies, expect Giganews et alia to be sued into oblivion by the media companies never to appear again. Giganews advertises itself as a gateway to copyright infringement. Look at what happened to Newzbin. Even though Newzbin never actually infringed, the mere act of advertising as a gateway to copyright infringement brought dark clouds of lawyers and it went down in flames.
The pirates are in the process of killing their own gold-laying goose.
Slashdot Mirror
>larouchepac
These are the same people over the past decades who have done nothing except spout nonsense.
They're the nuttier parts of the Tea Party. They're the ones comparing Obama to Hitler. They're the ones that said your grandma is going into an oven. They're the ones that came up with "death panels" bullshit.
They. Are. Nuts.
I've seen other people calling you out being modded down. Go ahead, mods, mod me down, but before you do, look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche
I wouldn't trust a Larouchian to tell me the sun was going to rise in the east.
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Wisdom for CBS:
"Stop trying so hard. He doesn't like you. Jesus, don't kiss an ass if it's in the process of shitting on you."
5:03 PM Apr 26th via ShitMyDadSays.com
What I want to know is if we're going to waste expensive helium on this or inflate it with hydrogen?
Weather balloons, hobbyist stratospheric balloons, etc, are usually filled with helium. But the only rationale for using helium is that it doesn't burn. It's more expensive than hydrogen. It's less efficient than hydrogen, and we only have so much helium left. We're not sending up people. There is no reason to use helium, really.
It's time to get rid of the Hindenburg meme.
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How long before toilets are installed at workstations?
All time not doing work is wasted time, don'tchaknow.
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The Great Northwet.
My bro lived out there for 10 years. He's came back a few years ago. He liked Seattle quite a bit.
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Rhode Island.
Summers can be spectacular here. Fall is nice until the rain starts, and then the snow, and then the dark, and everyone hides out until late March. That's unless you ski, then you're off to New Hampshire or Vermont every weekend. But of course, ski snobs from the Rockies and Olympics think the mountains here are merely hills.
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I was going to reply to the post, but then I saw the "Anonymous Coward" name and decided "it's not worth it, they're not going to read it."
But thanks. :-D
With regards to the Owl guy, I got trolled hard.
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gluttony
Nobody has been arguing for gluttony. Not in the thread, not in the summary and not in the story. You have set something up and pointed at it and called it ridiculous. This is known as the straw man.
and I've been exaggerating that attitude, in this discussion, to be contrarian.
It's called trolling.
But it seems to me to be fundamentally perverse to place the taste, texture, and appearance of food above its material function.
It seems perverse to me that you think people shouldn't treat themselves from time to time and eat food they like and enjoy themselves. You equate this with gluttony, and I find this sad, and in the light of your list of "permissible excesses" paragraph, hypocritical.
You have not made a sensible point. You have written nonsense.
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You are obviously someone who has never had a good meal in his life.
Where is this epicurean desert that you live in that I can avoid it?
Given the choice between some good labor intensive peasant food (I'm Polish) and "utilitarian food," I'm going to be loading the plate up with some pierogis thanks.
Saying that eating should only be for nutrition is like saying sex should only be for reproduction. I reject your outlook. It is without enjoyment. It is spartan for the sole reason of utility. It is a dour, rainy day in late November.
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Question the separation of church and state?
If you want the church in your state, you deserve the state in your church.
You might want to rethink your cunning plan, cowboy.
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Food puritanism is just as offensive as religious puritanism.
And the veggies ain't done unless you've added the salt pork, old world style.
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"chooses Big Macs over the bean salad."
McDonald's has bean salad?
Woah.
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" I'm not certain that it's a correct statement of the implementation"
GPS receivers are not transmitters. Phones are.
The implementation is this:
By law, cellphones require either triangulation via cell towers or gps. The expensive ones have GPS. Only the owner of the phone or the government (by subpoena, warrant, or E911 rescue) can pull GPS data from the phone. The former because it's a selling point. The latter, because of Emergency 911. If the fire department or police can't find you, they can't save your ass.
Your phone isn transmitting GPS coordinates to all and sundry all the time. It's only in certain situations that it's used for tracking. There is still a legal expectation of privacy. We don't willy nilly give up our privacy because GPS is there, not unless you choose to.
The article's saying that we give up our privacy because of the use of GPS enabled *phones* is a specious argument at best. The data is not sold to the highest bidder. If it was, I suppose a few phone companies would be guilty of wiretapping.
It's actually easy to opt out of cellphone GPS and triangulation if you needlessly worry about this stuff. Use internet phone services like Skype and Net2Phone (around since the 1990s) and a wifi enabled device. Done.
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"He uses the example of how we give up our location for turn by turn GPS directions. " and neither does he.
I don't think you know how GPS works.
It does not work by sending data back to the satellites. All the software and data is stored within the device. It does not transmit anything. It is a RECEIVER of time signals from the GPS satellites.
A GPS receiver, like TomTom or Garmin doesn't transmit. Ever.
Therefore, the "gps turn-by turn" gives up your privacy is complete bullshit.
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After clicking through the links, I'm going to have to agree with you 100%.
The summary as written by theodp seems trollish, and makes one wonder what axe he's grinding here.
I like simple. But simple only goes so far until you need something more robust. Scissors are simple. But they won't cut down a tree without significant time, effort, and insanity.
I'm not familiar with these APIs, but skimming the text, I know I could comprehend the concepts of dealing with data in the "cloud' if I decided I needed to. My thing right now is rexx, bash, tcl, and manipulating stuff locally, not in "the cloud" (gawd I hate that term).
Last I checked, Joe User isn't interested in coding anything, or even typing logical operators in a dialog box, so it doesn't matter how simple the API is, he's going to bother with it. So let's keep the complex and powerful APIs and let the trolls and malcontents whine.
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"Consumer robotics is a new product category and building [applications] there requires leveraging the capabilities and inspiration of a broader community," he says. "This is exactly what we want to do.
I'm sorry, but consumer robotics is not real robotics. Consumer robotics is toy robotics because anything other than toy robots, when operated by Joe or Jane Consumer, can kill people.
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No... it goes like this:
Adjective; Animal with alliteration.
Arreptitious Argonaut
Perorating Paper Nautilus
Oleaginous Octopus.
See?
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>It's a news server... but it's not a network, it's not a part of usenet. They control everything and nuke any destructive elements.
It's called moderated groups. And you can have those on Usenet if you want.
Don't like unmoderated groups? Don't read them. Stick with Big 8 and stay out of the alt groups. How hard is that? The chaos groups and moderated groups have lived side-by-side ever since the creation of the alt* hierarchy.
And to say there's no such thing as an ip filter, what do you think the "nntp-posting-host" line is there for? Eh?
A lot of this has been hammered out over the years. Stop going to alt* if you don't like chaos.
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>Sigh, I was not suggesting we should pull BluRays over one server
And neither was I. I was talking about your idea of having a central server for all groups. Even if it's just for text groups, suppose the provider goes from good management to bad management and it goes tits up? Gone. This has happened time and again with web forums. Indeed, it goes against what you said about having redundancy in the latter part of your post.
>Don't carry the binary groups, nuke anything base64/uue/yEnc encoded or anything else that catches on.
I'm all for this.
>What you're left with of plain text as in real plain text should be very easy to host anywhere, particularly if you split it by group. And you can have redundancy,
You've just described Usenet.
Thanks for playing.
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the reality is you're just pissed off at finally losing a service that was being provided to you via subsidy from the majority of other subscribers to your ISP.
I think you have it wrong, mate, being a text group user means I've been subsidizing the binary leechers.
Certainly your subscription alone wouldn't have covered the cost of running the usenet servers.
Since when is the cost of my use of text Usenet even approaching the cost of the pirates?
If you don't want to pay your fair share
My fair share? MY FAIR SHARE?
Take your attitude and shove it squarely up your arse.
then tough shit
And fuck you.
Say hello to your new status. Plonk.
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You can do the same thing by installing Squid. And that's what really blows my mind: that ISPs aren't supplying caching proxies. If they won't supply a cache for the most popular protocol (http), then it's not a surprise that they won't supply Usenet either.
Nobody ever claimed that business types were smart.
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Oh look, a weak troll.
Poor thing, you must be starving.
Here, have a hamburger. You need protein to get your strength up.
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Reading your comment, I can't remember if it was Spitzer or Cuomo, but I do remember it was one of them, so I'll take your word for it.
Either way it was the NY State AG that did it.
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>No, it wasn't pirates. It was spam.
You're not thinking from a cost management perspective.
All the text spam in the world does not amount to the bandwidth of a single popular binary group. Text spam is low bandwidth. The cost of maintaining binary support is huge. I could snarf all of the text groups on Giganews' lowest cost plan and probably have room left over. The price for their top tier is 10x that.
Simply going by Giganews' pricing, and assuming it's proportional to the cost of maintenance, maintaining binaries is 10x more expensive than text only.
As for controlling spam, there are plenty of groups out there that can control spam through moderation. And even in the unmoderated text groups I frequent, spam isn't an issue. Do you know where I find the most spam? In the binaries, because the ground is more fertile there, and the toothless masses only want their forbidden pictures of Traci Lords and pirated content and will click on ANYTHING.
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>I don't even think I've had an ISP in the UK for years now that's had binary newsgroup access, only text. I think it was about 2003 since I was last with an ISP that provided binary newsgroup access.
That's the difference.
Here, in the US, ISPs had carried all of Usenet. Even the binaries. What is happening now is that the binary groups have become so large they dwarf the text groups and the bulk of the cost is for those.
So rather than simply dump just the binary groups, ISPs in the US are dumping all of Usenet.
By the way, when the number of binary-carrying Usenet servers declines to just a handful of companies, expect Giganews et alia to be sued into oblivion by the media companies never to appear again. Giganews advertises itself as a gateway to copyright infringement. Look at what happened to Newzbin. Even though Newzbin never actually infringed, the mere act of advertising as a gateway to copyright infringement brought dark clouds of lawyers and it went down in flames.
The pirates are in the process of killing their own gold-laying goose.
The pirates are killing usenet.
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