1. You can't point at OSRM and say that I agree with them or that this is apropos to the conversation (yes, I know, it's late, but still). OSRM, IMO harms Open Source just as much as this does. Nice strawman. *kick*
2. "On the other hand you have Novell who make NO such statement" No, but they constructed, with the help of Microsoft, a _contract_ that is written in convoluted lawyer-ese that if _any_ conclusions can be drawn from it is that "there is infringing IP in Linux" and which is _exactly_ what Ballmer came out to say after it was signed. Didn't your lawyers think about the implications of this? Have you guys been living under a rock for the past 3 and a half years? Have you not read the Halloween Documents? *veins pop out on BMO's forehead* I find it telling that the SuSE team was kept deliberately out of the negotiations between Novell and Microsoft.
3. "So this court case you're screaming about is totally unaffected by the Novell/MS deal."
The whole point of the SCO lawsuit is NOT TO WIN BUT TO TOSS MUD ON ALL OF LINUX. Fortunately, there are brighter people than those at Novell who have seen through and traced finances for the lawsuit back through to Baystar and RBC, and with any luck, back to Microsoft.
Since Microsoft can't directly fight Open Source, they are using proxies. Novell just became one of them. Thanks.
If anyone is missing the big picture, it's Novell.
Keyboards these days are neither supermodels nor even remotely stylish. Yet they are exceedingly flimsy. If you bludgeon someone over the head with a keyboard these days, it simply shatters into dozens of pieces. The old XT keyboard, however, could have been used to dispatch Jimmy Hoffa.
No, it wasn't a troll. There was no disingenuousness behind it, whatsoever.
Microsoft has been throwing FUD at Linux through SCO's lawsuit for three and a half years. Since the lawsuit is looking quite grim for SCO/Caldera, Microsoft paid Novell to sign a pact that says basically the same thing that SCO has been saying right along.
Yes, I said paid.
You don't think for one moment that Microsoft is ever going to distribute those SLES coupons, do you?
The Devil will construct a contract so carefully worded that he will honor it to the letter, and while you will get what you signed for, it will be exactly _not_ what you desire. Novell desired interoperability. What they signed was an agreement to be Steve Ballmer's bitch.
"The deal essentially says that a lawsuit can happen but novell customers or noncommercial devlopers will not be sued."
Which means that everyone else is left swinging in the wind. It means that members of OSDL are not protected because they are paid. Correct me if I am wrong. It means that every author that accepts a paycheck from his regular programming job is a target if he writes software that Microsoft doesn't like.
And it doesn't even have to be something that infringes. Just the threat of a lawsuit in a strongly worded letter from a Microsoft lawyer makes many people retract projects, because they simply can't afford to go up against a giant like Microsoft.
Oy, there is so much wrong with your assumptions that I don't know where to finish up.
"If you listen to microsoft's fud and take it as truth thats *your* fault."
I am not worried about _my_ ears. I am worried about the FALSEHOOD AND LIES that Microsoft is spreading around to be picked up by every PHB, Purchasing manager, and uninformed internal corporate lawyer. Novell has just signed a deal that _endorses_ Microsoft's behavior and agrees with their POV.
Get the facts, indeed.
*grumble*
-- BMO - SuSE Linux from versions 6.1 to 10 and no further.
" I think people have overreacted to this deal
I guess because it involves the words "Microsoft" and "patents" "
BECAUSE, NAT, WE'VE GOT A FUCKING LAWSUIT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER THREE FUCKING YEARS ASSERTING THAT THERE IS FUCKING INFRINGING IP IN LINUX AND IT HAS BEEN NOTHING MORE THAN VACUOUS STATEMENTS BACKED UP BY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING SINCE FUCKING 2003! AND NOW YOU IDIOTS SIGNED A FUCKING CONTRACT THAT IS BEING SPUN BY MICROSOFT THAT THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH INFRINGING IP IN LINUX! WELL, FUCK YOU! WHERE THE FUCK HAS NOVELL BEEN FOR THE PAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS? I FUCKING SWEAR THAT HOVESEPIAN CAN FUCKING MESS UP MAKING A FUCKING PEANUT BUTTER SANDWICH!
SED? What an unfortunate acronym for a display technology.
SED:/SED/, n.
[TMRC, from Light-Emitting Diode] Smoke-emitting diode. A friode that lost the war. See also LER. [Not to be confused with sed(1), the Unix stream editor. ESR]
"Somebody is modding down whole threads criticizing the behavior of certain individuals involved in this sordid affair. Disagree? Speak your piece, don't be a slimeball."
I got modded half troll and half insightful on both of my posts. Whatever. I could have posted anonymously and not worried about karma, but then the posts would have been quickly modded into oblivion (start off at 0) by people who think that my questions about Mono are bogus. Funny how I didn't get any sensible rebuttal.
The position of Mono has always been shaky in my eyes with regards to whether it's encumbered, despite claims to the contrary by the Mono team. But now things are being said by people directly involved with the Microsoft/Novell contract that have completely taken away any warm-fuzzies that I had. Within a day or two, Steve Ballmer was doing his monkey-boy tactless dance and gibberings about how all of Linux is tainted and those only blessed by the Church of Microsoft are "saved." And then Miguel said that the Microsoft/Sun contract "allowed Sun to ship Mono on Solaris."
Oh really?
Allowed? Isn't Mono Free, as in Freedom, Beer, and Love? Since Sun signed a contract with Microsoft over Mono, there are only two conclusions that can be reached: that the entire BOD of Sun is dumb as a box of rocks and bought what they already had, or that Mono is truely encumbered and Sun actually bought the ability to "ship Mono on Solaris". And now Novell signed a similar contract with the same magic bean vendor. Either the magic beans are sterile or not. Since Miguel is an insider, he obviously knows more than the rest of us whether Mono infringes on Microsoft patents or not, and since he's supposedly on "our" side, his comments carry quite a bit more weight than Ballmer's. So if anyone has thrown FUD on Mono, it's Miguel himself.
Someone anonymous up there said that Gnome was started to kill KDE, which is exactly the case, because community leaders such as Miguel and RMS grumbled that QT wasn't free as in Freedom, Beer, and Love. But once QT was GPLed, KDE was just as free as Gnome, and now it looks like KDE is now more free than Gnome in the eyes of many who have paid attention to what the primary individuals in this Microsoft/Novell "peace in our time" contract have been saying.
"Hey, the point was to destroy KDE, not to make a good desktop environment."
Indeed. And now look at Miguel's comment that Sun's contract with Microsoft allowed Sun to ship Mono on Solaris. And Miguel insists that people who write for Gnome use Mono (from the Mono FAQ).
Miguel, if Mono doesn't infringe WHAT THE FUCK DID SUN BUY?
"Need I tell you what Nat has done for GNOME? If anyone represents the community it is Nat and I am sure Miguel de Icaza was not far behind him in his support. By these attacks on Novell, you are attacking the community itself and this will likely lead to splintering it."
Miguel and the Mono crowd have been splintering the Linux community all by themselves..NET for Linux? And now this "special" deal for Novell customers indemnifying them against Microsoft lawsuits?
Miguel and the rest of the Ximian and Mono team should just pack their bags and get the fuck out. This whole deal with Novell and Microsoft was only possible with their help, and probable instigation. I've had misgivings about.NET on Linux ever since the idea was suggested by Miguel and the worst fears have been verified by this new Novell/Microsoft contract.
Would Miguel swear on his dead ancestors graves that Mono doesn't infringe on Microsoft patents?
"Similar deals have been done in the past, in 1997 Microsoft signed a similar deal with Apple, and Apple used that agreement and the incoming monies to turn the company around. Sun signed a similar agreement with Microsoft in 2004, which at the time I realized enabled Sun to ship Mono on Solaris (which we already supported at that time)."
Well, y'all can protest the old fashioned way - get thousands of your mates to go down to Canberra and sing "happy birthday" in the halls of parliament.
"Kid, whad'ya get?"
I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay $1,320 and stop singing"
He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Singing 'Happy Birthday'"
And they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing, father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the bench.
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" you'd be foiled by the lack of a long enough extension cord."
Go rent the movie Body Double. There's a scene similar to that, but more interesting.
To be on topic, this is one of the silliest things I've seen on slashdot. Someone buying one of those would have more money than brains and can't be trusted to not look into the laser with the remaining good eye.
If you can afford to toss $2k at a lame laser pointer, you can afford $10K for a laser engraver which can actually do something.
"This is the same country where you can be caned for simple acts of vandalism."
Do you know what the tax is for cars in Singapore?
If your car was keyed, you'd want to cane the kid _yourself_!
"So what does all this mean for your dream car? Some estimates (including annual registration fee, import duty, road tax, registration fee and number plates) are: Audi A41.8 (A) $182,000 (including COE), BMW 328 (A) (2.8cc) $238,000 (including COE); Mercedes 200E $201,902; Volvo 940 Turbo Estate 2.0 (A) $160,753. Either start saving up or make sure your company gets you a car. If not, we're sure you won't find the public transport system here wanting!"
Miguel and the rest of the Ximian and Mono team should just pack their bags and get the fuck out. This whole deal with Novell and Microsoft was only possible with their help, and probable instigation. I've had misgivings about.NET on Linux ever since the idea was suggested by Miguel and the worst fears have been verified by this new Novell/Microsoft contract.
Would Miguel swear on his dead ancestors graves that Mono doesn't infringe on Microsoft patents?
"Similar deals have been done in the past, in 1997 Microsoft signed a similar deal with Apple, and Apple used that agreement and the incoming monies to turn the company around. Sun signed a similar agreement with Microsoft in 2004, which at the time I realized enabled Sun to ship Mono on Solaris (which we already supported at that time)."
There is no doubt that the source of the As is natural, i.e., derived from 'ordinary' sediments by natural geochemical processes. The quantity of As present in groundwater (and adsorbed by the sediments) is simply too large to be derived from a discrete pollution source. Also its distribution across Bangladesh and West Bengal and with depth does not tally with a pollution source. There is also no need to postulate exceptional sources such as a particular mineralised area in the upstream catchment, as some workers have done for neighbouring West Bengal (Acharyya et al., 1999), although of course such areas may exist. This is one of the lessons that needs to be learned from the Bangladesh arsenic problem.
There is more than enough arsenic in most sediments to give rise to an As problem given the appropriate geochemical conditions for release and mobilisation. If all of the arsenic in a sediment containing 1mg As kg^-1 sediment dissolves in the groundwater, then the arsenic concentration would be 6000 micrograms/L or more, way above all drinking water standards. Both the average world and typical Bangladesh sediments contain several times this amount of arsenic. In other words, Bangladesh sediments do not appear to contain an exceptional amount of arsenic/in total/ yet give rise to exceptionally large groundwater arsenic concentrations. The high solid/solution ratio in aquifers and the great toxicity of arsenic mean that the contamination of groundwaters is sensitive to an imperceptible shift in the speciation of arsenic. A change of only a few percent in the partitioning of arsenic between sediment and water is sufficient to give rise to a significant groundwater arsenic problem."
So unless you've got some sort of documentation that trumps the British Geological Survey, I suggest you take a course in "rocks for jocks" (geology 101) instead of spewing your uninformed twaddle here.
Wikipedia is relying on the million monkey hypothesis, which roughly states that if you have a million monkeys typing random letters on a million typewriters, you will eventually wind up with the works of Shakespeare.
A million monkeys typing at a million typewriters for a million years does not yield the works of Shakespeare. It yields piles of poo, rotting banana peel mountains, and busted typewriter parts scattered hither and yon.
The American people must recognize these odious tactics for what they are and remain vigilant about our Constitution and individual liberty. Too many people seem to think that the Constitution will automatical- ly check the government from overstepping its authority and running amok. That simply is not true. The Constitution is incapable of enforcing itself. The ultimate limit on the power of government has always been the patience of the people. As Judge Learned Hand warned many years ago, Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; [if] it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it.70
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1. You can't point at OSRM and say that I agree with them or that this is apropos to the conversation (yes, I know, it's late, but still). OSRM, IMO harms Open Source just as much as this does. Nice strawman. *kick*
2. "On the other hand you have Novell who make NO such statement" No, but they constructed, with the help of Microsoft, a _contract_ that is written in convoluted lawyer-ese that if _any_ conclusions can be drawn from it is that "there is infringing IP in Linux" and which is _exactly_ what Ballmer came out to say after it was signed. Didn't your lawyers think about the implications of this? Have you guys been living under a rock for the past 3 and a half years? Have you not read the Halloween Documents? *veins pop out on BMO's forehead* I find it telling that the SuSE team was kept deliberately out of the negotiations between Novell and Microsoft.
3. "So this court case you're screaming about is totally unaffected by the Novell/MS deal."
The whole point of the SCO lawsuit is NOT TO WIN BUT TO TOSS MUD ON ALL OF LINUX. Fortunately, there are brighter people than those at Novell who have seen through and traced finances for the lawsuit back through to Baystar and RBC, and with any luck, back to Microsoft.
Since Microsoft can't directly fight Open Source, they are using proxies. Novell just became one of them. Thanks.
If anyone is missing the big picture, it's Novell.
--
BMO
Keyboards these days are neither supermodels nor even remotely stylish. Yet they are exceedingly flimsy. If you bludgeon someone over the head with a keyboard these days, it simply shatters into dozens of pieces. The old XT keyboard, however, could have been used to dispatch Jimmy Hoffa.
--
BMO
"We call them trolls. You fed one. Bad Bruce."
No, it wasn't a troll. There was no disingenuousness behind it, whatsoever.
Microsoft has been throwing FUD at Linux through SCO's lawsuit for three and a half years. Since the lawsuit is looking quite grim for SCO/Caldera, Microsoft paid Novell to sign a pact that says basically the same thing that SCO has been saying right along.
Yes, I said paid.
You don't think for one moment that Microsoft is ever going to distribute those SLES coupons, do you?
The Devil will construct a contract so carefully worded that he will honor it to the letter, and while you will get what you signed for, it will be exactly _not_ what you desire. Novell desired interoperability. What they signed was an agreement to be Steve Ballmer's bitch.
--
BMO
"The deal essentially says that a lawsuit can happen but novell customers or noncommercial devlopers will not be sued."
Which means that everyone else is left swinging in the wind. It means that members of OSDL are not protected because they are paid. Correct me if I am wrong. It means that every author that accepts a paycheck from his regular programming job is a target if he writes software that Microsoft doesn't like.
And it doesn't even have to be something that infringes. Just the threat of a lawsuit in a strongly worded letter from a Microsoft lawyer makes many people retract projects, because they simply can't afford to go up against a giant like Microsoft.
Oy, there is so much wrong with your assumptions that I don't know where to finish up.
"If you listen to microsoft's fud and take it as truth thats *your* fault."
I am not worried about _my_ ears. I am worried about the FALSEHOOD AND LIES that Microsoft is spreading around to be picked up by every PHB, Purchasing manager, and uninformed internal corporate lawyer. Novell has just signed a deal that _endorses_ Microsoft's behavior and agrees with their POV.
Get the facts, indeed.
*grumble*
--
BMO - SuSE Linux from versions 6.1 to 10 and no further.
"I have never come upon a post which makes its point so excellently, and also contains so many F-words."
... But no F-words there, please "
It was hand crafted from rare woods, with each syllable hand rubbed with fine oils to bring out the grain.
"Take your anger here for a moment and help me out
Done.
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BMO
" I think people have overreacted to this deal
I guess because it involves the words "Microsoft" and "patents" "
BECAUSE, NAT, WE'VE GOT A FUCKING LAWSUIT THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER THREE FUCKING YEARS ASSERTING THAT THERE IS FUCKING INFRINGING IP IN LINUX AND IT HAS BEEN NOTHING MORE THAN VACUOUS STATEMENTS BACKED UP BY ABSOLUTELY NOTHING SINCE FUCKING 2003! AND NOW YOU IDIOTS SIGNED A FUCKING CONTRACT THAT IS BEING SPUN BY MICROSOFT THAT THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH INFRINGING IP IN LINUX! WELL, FUCK YOU! WHERE THE FUCK HAS NOVELL BEEN FOR THE PAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS? I FUCKING SWEAR THAT HOVESEPIAN CAN FUCKING MESS UP MAKING A FUCKING PEANUT BUTTER SANDWICH!
I hope that's plain enough.
Goddamn, they _still_ do not get it.
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BMO
SED? What an unfortunate acronym for a display technology.
/SED/, n.
SED:
[TMRC, from Light-Emitting Diode] Smoke-emitting diode. A friode that lost the war. See also LER. [Not to be confused with sed(1), the Unix stream editor. ESR]
http://catb.org/jargon/html/S/SED.html
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BMO
Imagine THIS being used for a bris!
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BMO
Incredible. Taco posted this story _two days ago_ and the article itself is the _exact_ same Reuters report.
Don't the editors and Taco talk to each other?
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BMO
"So if I take one of these lasers and swap out the one in my CD player, will all my White Snake albums come out as Black Sabbath?"
After a fortnight, all tapes left in a car become "Best of Queen."
Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Fandango?
Apologies to Terry and Neil
--
BMO
"Somebody is modding down whole threads criticizing the behavior of certain individuals involved in this sordid affair. Disagree? Speak your piece, don't be a slimeball."
I got modded half troll and half insightful on both of my posts. Whatever. I could have posted anonymously and not worried about karma, but then the posts would have been quickly modded into oblivion (start off at 0) by people who think that my questions about Mono are bogus. Funny how I didn't get any sensible rebuttal.
The position of Mono has always been shaky in my eyes with regards to whether it's encumbered, despite claims to the contrary by the Mono team. But now things are being said by people directly involved with the Microsoft/Novell contract that have completely taken away any warm-fuzzies that I had. Within a day or two, Steve Ballmer was doing his monkey-boy tactless dance and gibberings about how all of Linux is tainted and those only blessed by the Church of Microsoft are "saved." And then Miguel said that the Microsoft/Sun contract "allowed Sun to ship Mono on Solaris."
Oh really?
Allowed? Isn't Mono Free, as in Freedom, Beer, and Love? Since Sun signed a contract with Microsoft over Mono, there are only two conclusions that can be reached: that the entire BOD of Sun is dumb as a box of rocks and bought what they already had, or that Mono is truely encumbered and Sun actually bought the ability to "ship Mono on Solaris". And now Novell signed a similar contract with the same magic bean vendor. Either the magic beans are sterile or not. Since Miguel is an insider, he obviously knows more than the rest of us whether Mono infringes on Microsoft patents or not, and since he's supposedly on "our" side, his comments carry quite a bit more weight than Ballmer's. So if anyone has thrown FUD on Mono, it's Miguel himself.
Someone anonymous up there said that Gnome was started to kill KDE, which is exactly the case, because community leaders such as Miguel and RMS grumbled that QT wasn't free as in Freedom, Beer, and Love. But once QT was GPLed, KDE was just as free as Gnome, and now it looks like KDE is now more free than Gnome in the eyes of many who have paid attention to what the primary individuals in this Microsoft/Novell "peace in our time" contract have been saying.
Oh the irony.
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BMO
"Hey, the point was to destroy KDE, not to make a good desktop environment."
Indeed. And now look at Miguel's comment that Sun's contract with Microsoft allowed Sun to ship Mono on Solaris. And Miguel insists that people who write for Gnome use Mono (from the Mono FAQ).
Miguel, if Mono doesn't infringe WHAT THE FUCK DID SUN BUY?
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BMO
"Need I tell you what Nat has done for GNOME? If anyone represents the community it is Nat and I am sure Miguel de Icaza was not far behind him in his support. By these attacks on Novell, you are attacking the community itself and this will likely lead to splintering it."
.NET for Linux? And now this "special" deal for Novell customers indemnifying them against Microsoft lawsuits?
.NET on Linux ever since the idea was suggested by Miguel and the worst fears have been verified by this new Novell/Microsoft contract.
Miguel and the Mono crowd have been splintering the Linux community all by themselves.
Miguel and the rest of the Ximian and Mono team should just pack their bags and get the fuck out. This whole deal with Novell and Microsoft was only possible with their help, and probable instigation. I've had misgivings about
Would Miguel swear on his dead ancestors graves that Mono doesn't infringe on Microsoft patents?
"Similar deals have been done in the past, in 1997 Microsoft signed a similar deal with Apple, and Apple used that agreement and the incoming monies to turn the company around.
Sun signed a similar agreement with Microsoft in 2004, which at the time I realized enabled Sun to ship Mono on Solaris (which we already supported at that time)."
That's directly from Miguel's blog at http://tirania.org/blog/ [tirania.org]
Come again, Miguel? If mono is truely Open Source and non-infringing, what did Sun actually buy from Microsoft?
Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK?
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BMO
Well, y'all can protest the old fashioned way - get thousands of your mates to go down to Canberra and sing "happy birthday" in the halls of parliament.
"Kid, whad'ya get?"
I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay $1,320 and stop singing"
He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Singing 'Happy Birthday'"
And they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing,
father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the
bench.
Apologies to Arlo Guthrie.
--
BMO
My gawd! How will we ever get to teh moon!?
Oh wait...
--
BMO
" you'd be foiled by the lack of a long enough extension cord."
_ US&q=laser+engraver&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Go rent the movie Body Double. There's a scene similar to that, but more interesting.
To be on topic, this is one of the silliest things I've seen on slashdot. Someone buying one of those would have more money than brains and can't be trusted to not look into the laser with the remaining good eye.
If you can afford to toss $2k at a lame laser pointer, you can afford $10K for a laser engraver which can actually do something.
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en
_Those_ are cool.
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BMO
"This is the same country where you can be caned for simple acts of vandalism."
Do you know what the tax is for cars in Singapore?
If your car was keyed, you'd want to cane the kid _yourself_!
"So what does all this mean for your dream car? Some estimates (including annual registration fee, import duty, road tax, registration fee and number plates) are: Audi A41.8 (A) $182,000 (including COE), BMW 328 (A) (2.8cc) $238,000 (including COE); Mercedes 200E $201,902; Volvo 940 Turbo Estate 2.0 (A) $160,753. Either start saving up or make sure your company gets you a car. If not, we're sure you won't find the public transport system here wanting!"
http://www.expatsingapore.com/once/cost.shtml
So yeah, a "simple act of vandalism" deserved caning. Hard.
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BMO
Miguel and the rest of the Ximian and Mono team should just pack their bags and get the fuck out. This whole deal with Novell and Microsoft was only possible with their help, and probable instigation. I've had misgivings about .NET on Linux ever since the idea was suggested by Miguel and the worst fears have been verified by this new Novell/Microsoft contract.
Would Miguel swear on his dead ancestors graves that Mono doesn't infringe on Microsoft patents?
"Similar deals have been done in the past, in 1997 Microsoft signed a similar deal with Apple, and Apple used that agreement and the incoming monies to turn the company around.
Sun signed a similar agreement with Microsoft in 2004, which at the time I realized enabled Sun to ship Mono on Solaris (which we already supported at that time)."
That's directly from Miguel's blog at http://tirania.org/blog/
Come again, Miguel? If mono is truely Open Source and non-infringing, what did Sun actually buy from Microsoft?
The whole irony of this was that Gnome was created because it was somehow more free than KDE at the time. Shoe's on the other foot now, eh?
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BMO
"All hypotheses that the well water pollution is a natural source have been discounted over the past 5-10 years,"
t m
/in total/ yet give rise to exceptionally large groundwater arsenic concentrations. The high solid/solution ratio in aquifers and the great toxicity of arsenic mean that the contamination of groundwaters is sensitive to an imperceptible shift in the speciation of arsenic. A change of only a few percent in the partitioning of arsenic between sediment and water is sufficient to give rise to a significant groundwater arsenic problem."
Wrong.
Unless you've got a URL that disputes what this one says:
http://www.bgs.ac.uk/arsenic/bangladesh/reports.h
"13.1.4 Source of the arsenic
There is no doubt that the source of the As is natural, i.e., derived from 'ordinary' sediments by natural geochemical processes. The quantity of As present in groundwater (and adsorbed by the sediments) is simply too large to be derived from a discrete pollution source. Also its distribution across Bangladesh and West Bengal and with depth does not tally with a pollution source. There is also no need to postulate exceptional sources such as a particular mineralised area in the upstream catchment, as some workers have done for neighbouring West Bengal (Acharyya et al., 1999), although of course such areas may exist. This is one of the lessons that needs to be learned from the Bangladesh arsenic problem.
There is more than enough arsenic in most sediments to give rise to an As problem given the appropriate geochemical conditions for release and mobilisation. If all of the arsenic in a sediment containing 1mg As kg^-1 sediment dissolves in the groundwater, then the arsenic concentration would be 6000 micrograms/L or more, way above all drinking water standards. Both the average world and typical Bangladesh sediments contain several times this amount of arsenic. In other words, Bangladesh sediments do not appear to contain an exceptional amount of arsenic
So unless you've got some sort of documentation that trumps the British Geological Survey, I suggest you take a course in "rocks for jocks" (geology 101) instead of spewing your uninformed twaddle here.
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BMO
http://search.messages.yahoo.com/search?.mbintl=fi nance&q=walter_oak_night&action=Search&r=Huiz75WdC YfD_KCA2Dc-&within=author&within=tm
Or use this url:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/t9uxc
Otherwise known as "how so many brain cells can get so much wrong"
Laughter inducing.
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BMO
"4 years old."
Should be 3.
I can't freakin' subtract. Either that, or I've just stepped out of TARDIS and I'm confused.
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BMO
"What difference does it make ? You know you are going bankrupt anyway because people aren't interested in CD's anymore."
5 9305
Psst, hey buddy, the post in question is plagiarized and it's 4 years old.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=77984&cid=692
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/10/2/103735/27
YHBT.
HTH.
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BMO
+-----------+
| _ 5MPH__ |
| No Wake_|
+----+-----+
|
|
~~~~~~~~~~~~
The harbor master isn't going to like this one.
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BMO
Wikipedia is relying on the million monkey hypothesis, which roughly states that if you have a million monkeys typing random letters on a million typewriters, you will eventually wind up with the works of Shakespeare.
A million monkeys typing at a million typewriters for a million years does not yield the works of Shakespeare. It yields piles of poo, rotting banana peel mountains, and busted typewriter parts scattered hither and yon.
--
BMO
The American people must recognize
these odious tactics for what they are and
remain vigilant about our Constitution and
individual liberty. Too many people seem to
think that the Constitution will automatical-
ly check the government from overstepping
its authority and running amok. That simply
is not true. The Constitution is incapable of
enforcing itself. The ultimate limit on the
power of government has always been the
patience of the people. As Judge Learned
Hand warned many years ago, Liberty lies in
the hearts of men and women; [if] it dies
there, no constitution, no law, no court can
save it.70
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp98.pdf
Read the whole thing.
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BMO