Adblock and Adblock Plus will now both ultimately take money in exchange for allowing ads. You can tell the agenda from the "default on" position.
So, can we get a list of stuff that DOESN'T do this? Maybe with links to the developers saying why not?
We can't edit posts on slashdot, normally for better, but this means I can't add to this list with responses. Still, respond please if you got'em!
The ONLY ones I know for sure are:
** uBlock Origin **- For Firefox and Chrome, this blocks a lot of privacy related things. This one seems like you can customize it, and the addon page tells you about other ad lists you can also apply. Importantly, the developer (gorhill on github) has had to deal with "acceptable ad" beggars, and shuts them down. The odds of this addon staying clean seem very high based on this.
I don't know if this works with popular privacy or usability forks of Firefox and Chrome, and maybe some Palemoons and Comodos and Waterfoxes and whatevers can chime in with details.
The old Adblock Edge was a solid Firefox addon, but discontinued with a message to use uBlock Origin. The somewhat similar dramafilled uBlock (without the "origin") I think has no acceptable ads either, but I have a hard time googling that stuff.
** uBlock ** - This and uBlock Origin share a relatively recent codebase, but there are some developer disagreements. I couldn't find any evidence that uBlock uses acceptable ads, however, so definitely listing it:
1- Uniform taste. If you have bottled water of a certain brand in one place, it will almost always taste the same in another. 2- No local skunk. If you are in a place where the water might upset your stomach (say on travel), or just in a place where the water, while fine, is unpalatable (sup, Jacksonville!), then you don't have to worry about any of that with bottled water. 3- Because of the high profit margin, it's available and well maintained. The hotel with the skeezy water fountain and off tasting tap water will have a well lit and presented Aquafina / Dasani / whatever machine down the hall, always with plenty of product.
When I'm at home I drink tapwater, sometimes filtered, most often not. When I'm travelling, bottled water is a huge saver of effort and way to minimize risk.
Gaming on Linux is punishment. Sorta doable on OS X. Not really the fault of these OSes, but it is still true.
Windows 10 is so scary I'm considering running a PC for gaming and a Linux PC for all other things, including just web browsing. I have dual boot, but it ends up meaning I spend less time in Linux than I should.
No way that omniscience precludes free will. Everything at the neural level is governed by classical mechanics, so you could, with enough information, predict the next step that all elements in a brain will take. Just because you CAN discover that, or just because some external entity could theoretically press pause for long enough to calculate ahead of time, doesn't take YOUR free will away.
Yet another great reason to block all ads under all circumstances. You control what displays on your property, not some remote server! Give them a pixel, they'll take root if they can.
I was thinking it's the kind of threat analysis you would do if you wanted people to come to the conclusion that it's an imminent threat that needs government oversight at all levels and in all places in order to be safe. Can't trust people, you know. This article said you could, but they had armpit incubators. Ludicrous points. Best monitor.
Really? I found several webpages that spam opened the app store when visited, to whatever was being promoted. Way too often for it to be a fully bannable offense. I bet the developer just has to be like "ohh noooo i had no ideaaaaaa" and all is well.
Still frustrating to not have access to noscript. I want scripts on my bank. I want scripts on some web forums that I trust. I don't want scripts in general.
Well, more properly, it means that if you have installed Truecrypt on your machine, and your son launches Truecrypt, he can: 1)- Create a Truecrypt volume of his own. 2)- Mount it. 3)- Now that it is mounted, he can, via the exploit, gain admin. [that is what is claimed, at least] 4)- Now that he has admin, he can do whatever- install a keylogger, whatever.
He doesn't get to decrypt some other drive (unless he keylogs the password) and you had to trust him enough to give him a user account on your box. This is nothing he couldn't have accomplished with unlimited physical access to the machine, and not a flaw with truecrypt's disk safety, but it's still an interesting flaw.
Oh shut the fuck up with that false equivalence. Ludicrous for equating what fucking pixels are on my screen with theft of a piece of hardware. Fuck that.
It's not theft, because nothing is stolen. It's not a license violation, because no license need be given. It's not a copyright violation because no copy that would qualify under copyright law was made. The server gleefully serves up the data. At no point would anyone but an utter moron assume that the user at the other end would voluntarily view those ads. Only an idiot would think that!
It's not illegal. It's not wrong. It's nothing like that. Shame the fuck on you for even putting fingers to keyboard on that topic.
By fucking up the one thing they did correctly, all of Windows is now on a very short fuse. Everyone was expecting 10 to be 7 but better. Instead it's some cloud bullshit auto updating ad serving key logging pile of shit.
You're fucked if you want to game, you're fucked if you aren't a computer wizard. Fucked fucked fucked. My recommendation to family is frigging "buy a Mac". My recommendation to those good at computing is, start ramping up a Linux distro that you can get your games to run under, or buy a PC for gaming that uses Xbox OS aka Windows 10 and do nothing else on it, and a Linux box for all actual computing. That's the same advice for anyone with a Windoze-need- the plethora of applications that refuse to support non-shit OSes, if you need them professionally, should be done on a Windows computer that knows nothing of your email or browsing and god forbid anything else.
It didn't need to come to this. But Microsoft persists.
I couldn't find this exact post, and Slashdot is contractually obligated to host it (with this wording) in any Windoze "solve a problem" thread. Mods can thank me later!
Not acceptable. Shouldn't have to find every website ever in the universe, all their affiliates, all their hosters of various blah blah blah.
I'm not cross though- this is pretty obviously just a bug related to a recent feature. I get complaints like "this browser shouldn't be pinging google ever" and such (the answer there being to not use Chrome), but this thing is just a temporary oversight.
A hand sanitizer tries to kill all germs- just some will inevitably not get killed. This would be like a hand sanitizer that kills most germs, but lets through the common cold, because that's a good virus, and we need to keep the antihistamine industry employed. Meanwhile, the manufacturer of this gets paid by some company that makes a cold medicine.
No, the correct option is to continue to visit the web normally, but never view any ads. This has personal benefits- you don't see any ads- and aggregate benefits (if enough people do this, there will be less ads).
More than principle, it stands to reason he gets a benefit from having all those users. I mean, if you made an ad blocker that had 25 users tops, I doubt you'd be getting the sweet sweet cash to use an "acceptable ads" default whitelist.
Some people complain about that. That's a side issue. The problem with advertisements is the advertisements. Fuck the advertisements, fuck the advertisers. Fuck them so hard for hurting anyone who views advertisements, fuck them for making it difficult to not ever have to view their bullshit, and MOST OF ALL fuck them for working so hard to destroy any non-advertisement based method of content delivery, so that shills can parrot "brawk, but how will the content creators get paid, brawwwk?"
Not my problem. I don't want to see ads. An ad that doesn't do all the tech tricks to be outright malware doesn't hurt machines... it only hurts people. Fuck that. Fuck them.
"Safari converts the JSON to bytecode, which it applies efficiently to all resource loads without leaking information about the user’s browsing back to the app extension"
So no, unlike an adblocker running as an executable on your PC, this is not that. The adblock extensions won't ever get to do anything with your data as long as this model is used by Apple.
The reason it's false in some other places is, just because a program or extension is running on your PC doesn't mean its doing the worst thing possible. Many are open source and can be inspected to see if they are doing something bad, for instance.
In general, you should trust ad blockers- certainly the ones that are free software. And if you are running Apple- which presumably you are if you commented in the manner that you did- then you trust Apple's proprietary software, so you should trust that no information about your browsing gets leaked to the ad block extension.
No, if you use an ad-blocker, paid or not, that means that you are trying to view sites without getting shit on by ads. Maybe you want to support sites without ads, or maybe you just want sites with ads to wither and die. You don't know.
And after ten clicks, I find what I used to be able to find before the advertisers turned the web into a shit festival of slideshows with "I'm Feeling Lucky".
What we need is a search engine that lets you filter out "sites with ads", "sites that block people who use adblockers", etc. Then I can search for a recipe for stew and find a recipe for stew, instead of finding hundreds of pages of content delivery mechanism, some of which claim to have stew recipes (and some subset of that which actually does).
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Adblock and Adblock Plus will now both ultimately take money in exchange for allowing ads. You can tell the agenda from the "default on" position.
So, can we get a list of stuff that DOESN'T do this? Maybe with links to the developers saying why not?
We can't edit posts on slashdot, normally for better, but this means I can't add to this list with responses. Still, respond please if you got'em!
The ONLY ones I know for sure are:
** uBlock Origin **- For Firefox and Chrome, this blocks a lot of privacy related things. This one seems like you can customize it, and the addon page tells you about other ad lists you can also apply. Importantly, the developer (gorhill on github) has had to deal with "acceptable ad" beggars, and shuts them down. The odds of this addon staying clean seem very high based on this.
Chrome store: https://chrome.google.com/webs...
Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...
I don't know if this works with popular privacy or usability forks of Firefox and Chrome, and maybe some Palemoons and Comodos and Waterfoxes and whatevers can chime in with details.
The old Adblock Edge was a solid Firefox addon, but discontinued with a message to use uBlock Origin. The somewhat similar dramafilled uBlock (without the "origin") I think has no acceptable ads either, but I have a hard time googling that stuff.
** uBlock ** - This and uBlock Origin share a relatively recent codebase, but there are some developer disagreements. I couldn't find any evidence that uBlock uses acceptable ads, however, so definitely listing it:
Chrome Store: https://chrome.google.com/webs...
Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...
*What else has no acceptable ad option*???
I'd even be ok counting ones that have one that is disabled by default, something that uBlock Origin has fought off successfully.
Bottled water has some serious upsides:
1- Uniform taste. If you have bottled water of a certain brand in one place, it will almost always taste the same in another.
2- No local skunk. If you are in a place where the water might upset your stomach (say on travel), or just in a place where the water, while fine, is unpalatable (sup, Jacksonville!), then you don't have to worry about any of that with bottled water.
3- Because of the high profit margin, it's available and well maintained. The hotel with the skeezy water fountain and off tasting tap water will have a well lit and presented Aquafina / Dasani / whatever machine down the hall, always with plenty of product.
When I'm at home I drink tapwater, sometimes filtered, most often not. When I'm travelling, bottled water is a huge saver of effort and way to minimize risk.
Gaming on Linux is punishment. Sorta doable on OS X. Not really the fault of these OSes, but it is still true.
Windows 10 is so scary I'm considering running a PC for gaming and a Linux PC for all other things, including just web browsing. I have dual boot, but it ends up meaning I spend less time in Linux than I should.
No way that omniscience precludes free will. Everything at the neural level is governed by classical mechanics, so you could, with enough information, predict the next step that all elements in a brain will take. Just because you CAN discover that, or just because some external entity could theoretically press pause for long enough to calculate ahead of time, doesn't take YOUR free will away.
Yet another great reason to block all ads under all circumstances. You control what displays on your property, not some remote server! Give them a pixel, they'll take root if they can.
I was thinking it's the kind of threat analysis you would do if you wanted people to come to the conclusion that it's an imminent threat that needs government oversight at all levels and in all places in order to be safe. Can't trust people, you know. This article said you could, but they had armpit incubators. Ludicrous points. Best monitor.
Really? I found several webpages that spam opened the app store when visited, to whatever was being promoted. Way too often for it to be a fully bannable offense. I bet the developer just has to be like "ohh noooo i had no ideaaaaaa" and all is well.
Where would I report abuse like this anyway?
Still frustrating to not have access to noscript. I want scripts on my bank. I want scripts on some web forums that I trust. I don't want scripts in general.
Right, but it's still a problem where a Windows user can mess with that Windows box. That's an attack vector, but it's not the damned kingdom.
No, but they are based on the audited code.
Well, more properly, it means that if you have installed Truecrypt on your machine, and your son launches Truecrypt, he can:
1)- Create a Truecrypt volume of his own.
2)- Mount it.
3)- Now that it is mounted, he can, via the exploit, gain admin. [that is what is claimed, at least]
4)- Now that he has admin, he can do whatever- install a keylogger, whatever.
He doesn't get to decrypt some other drive (unless he keylogs the password) and you had to trust him enough to give him a user account on your box. This is nothing he couldn't have accomplished with unlimited physical access to the machine, and not a flaw with truecrypt's disk safety, but it's still an interesting flaw.
It would be a shit lot more than 10% for something that does direct disk I/O man.
Oh shut the fuck up with that false equivalence. Ludicrous for equating what fucking pixels are on my screen with theft of a piece of hardware. Fuck that.
It's not theft, because nothing is stolen.
It's not a license violation, because no license need be given.
It's not a copyright violation because no copy that would qualify under copyright law was made.
The server gleefully serves up the data. At no point would anyone but an utter moron assume that the user at the other end would voluntarily view those ads. Only an idiot would think that!
It's not illegal. It's not wrong. It's nothing like that. Shame the fuck on you for even putting fingers to keyboard on that topic.
Windows is kill.
By fucking up the one thing they did correctly, all of Windows is now on a very short fuse. Everyone was expecting 10 to be 7 but better. Instead it's some cloud bullshit auto updating ad serving key logging pile of shit.
You're fucked if you want to game, you're fucked if you aren't a computer wizard. Fucked fucked fucked. My recommendation to family is frigging "buy a Mac". My recommendation to those good at computing is, start ramping up a Linux distro that you can get your games to run under, or buy a PC for gaming that uses Xbox OS aka Windows 10 and do nothing else on it, and a Linux box for all actual computing. That's the same advice for anyone with a Windoze-need- the plethora of applications that refuse to support non-shit OSes, if you need them professionally, should be done on a Windows computer that knows nothing of your email or browsing and god forbid anything else.
It didn't need to come to this. But Microsoft persists.
1) Install Linux
2) Problem Solved!
I couldn't find this exact post, and Slashdot is contractually obligated to host it (with this wording) in any Windoze "solve a problem" thread. Mods can thank me later!
Not acceptable. Shouldn't have to find every website ever in the universe, all their affiliates, all their hosters of various blah blah blah.
I'm not cross though- this is pretty obviously just a bug related to a recent feature. I get complaints like "this browser shouldn't be pinging google ever" and such (the answer there being to not use Chrome), but this thing is just a temporary oversight.
A hand sanitizer tries to kill all germs- just some will inevitably not get killed. This would be like a hand sanitizer that kills most germs, but lets through the common cold, because that's a good virus, and we need to keep the antihistamine industry employed. Meanwhile, the manufacturer of this gets paid by some company that makes a cold medicine.
No, the correct option is to continue to visit the web normally, but never view any ads. This has personal benefits- you don't see any ads- and aggregate benefits (if enough people do this, there will be less ads).
More than principle, it stands to reason he gets a benefit from having all those users. I mean, if you made an ad blocker that had 25 users tops, I doubt you'd be getting the sweet sweet cash to use an "acceptable ads" default whitelist.
I understand they don't want ads! And more so if they download an ad blocker.
Also I seem to understand how to log in, so I got that going for me...
How about an ad blocker that blocks ads.
Some people complain about that. That's a side issue. The problem with advertisements is the advertisements. Fuck the advertisements, fuck the advertisers. Fuck them so hard for hurting anyone who views advertisements, fuck them for making it difficult to not ever have to view their bullshit, and MOST OF ALL fuck them for working so hard to destroy any non-advertisement based method of content delivery, so that shills can parrot "brawk, but how will the content creators get paid, brawwwk?"
Not my problem. I don't want to see ads. An ad that doesn't do all the tech tricks to be outright malware doesn't hurt machines... it only hurts people. Fuck that. Fuck them.
> I don't trust ad blockers as they funnel web and/or other traffic through the developer's hollowed-out volcano.
LIES!
Well, for Apple this is lies. For many other places too. The content blockers in ios don't actually get access like you are thinking of.
https://developer.apple.com/li...
"Safari converts the JSON to bytecode, which it applies efficiently to all resource loads without leaking information about the user’s browsing back to the app extension"
So no, unlike an adblocker running as an executable on your PC, this is not that. The adblock extensions won't ever get to do anything with your data as long as this model is used by Apple.
The reason it's false in some other places is, just because a program or extension is running on your PC doesn't mean its doing the worst thing possible. Many are open source and can be inspected to see if they are doing something bad, for instance.
In general, you should trust ad blockers- certainly the ones that are free software. And if you are running Apple- which presumably you are if you commented in the manner that you did- then you trust Apple's proprietary software, so you should trust that no information about your browsing gets leaked to the ad block extension.
No, if you use an ad-blocker, paid or not, that means that you are trying to view sites without getting shit on by ads. Maybe you want to support sites without ads, or maybe you just want sites with ads to wither and die. You don't know.
And after ten clicks, I find what I used to be able to find before the advertisers turned the web into a shit festival of slideshows with "I'm Feeling Lucky".
What we need is a search engine that lets you filter out "sites with ads", "sites that block people who use adblockers", etc. Then I can search for a recipe for stew and find a recipe for stew, instead of finding hundreds of pages of content delivery mechanism, some of which claim to have stew recipes (and some subset of that which actually does).