What about the manager just showing up once in a while? I know of a place where the big chief went on a holiday. The other managers said to come in one hour later when he was on a holiday. However what they did not know was that when he arrived, he took a plane back and showed up the next morning. Not sure if heads rolled, but you can be sure nobody did something like that ever again for the next 20 years.
+1 Insightfull. Nothing beats a social solution for a social problem. And with good management, you will gain more then the half day a dishonest person will steal. You might find out he is dishonest and kick his ass out of the company, or know why he is unhappy and turn him into a profit for the company. From the companies point of view a win-win situation.
Wow! Where you in their sales department? Say I have a holiday I want to go to. I get in at 13:00 after my Lunch. I leave. I explain later IF they actually look at it that I forgot to log out, because I was in such a hurry getting the kids from school, packing stuff and what not.
Obviously my cow orker who previously logged in and out for me will testify now that I was there indeed (so he can come in late and 'forget' to log in after a party).
And every time between 13:00 and 17:00 I can do whatever I like and the same in the morning. If I am really smart, I will be 'forget' to log in and/or out when I KNOW the person who will check on me can testify I was there. "Oh, that houghi, always forgetting to log in and out. Typicial.". Hey that is how I know people are doing it now.
So what will the employer do? Will he realize that dishonest staff is a social problem that you can not solve with a technical solution or that there needs to be MORE surveillance? At this moment we have a RFID key that opens the door, but is not used for measurement of any kind.
And using cards is not an issue where I live. Everybody has a walled where I live. They put the card in their wallet or any other easy to reach place. (I know of people who put it in their phone) and hold that to wherever you enter. So no need to 'remember' the card. Now we have something you put on your key chain. So have your keys and you shall pass.
So I would say it is a slippery slope towards more control of honest people making them feel as if their boss does not trust them, while the dishonest ones will figure ways around it or do disthoest things in another way. They will be there, but do nothing or just steal stuff or whatever.
When complaining about it, just using 'privacy' will not be enough. What you need to do is look at the price, look at the price of alternatives and see what the advantages/disadvantages are. And then come up with the system that will be more price efficient.
What you need to know is how much they think people abuse the current system, then ask how they came up with that number.
What most likely is, is that they noticed one or two people logging in for others, think that everybody does that and use everybody as a parameter. Also they assume that if they use this system, nobody will be able to cheat. So you are fighting with falsified numbers and decisions that are already take before any calculations are done.
Where I work they had the brilliant idea to do fingerprints for this as well. My ideas where first the famous "Myth Busters" show where they showed this won't work. Next I could see that what would happen would be that managers instead of checking if people were actually there, would start believing the machine that the person was there.
So I come in at 09:00 and leave at 09:01 and come back at 16:59 to log out at 17:00. Manager sees that I was there.
Staff not attending is a social problem. Don't solve it with a technical solution.
Luckily for now they have halted the project. I am sure they will pick it up again in April or so.
And one question I had was never answered: "So you want a trail of how much extra time people do, which can be used in court, even though at this moment you decide not to pay those extra hours?" As I live in Belgium, the moment they fire me and this system is in place AND I want to screw them, I can just ask for all those extra hours from the moment I started working there (not from when they started measuring) and they will have to pay me AND pay all the taxes on top of that as well. A quick calculation of 1 hour extra per day: 200 hours or a bit over 1 month per year.
For them that will be 1 month x 3 per year (double pay and all the extra's on top), or somewhere a So if I work there 4 years they would have a cost of 1 year extra or 25%. Now there are several hundred people working with us in Belgium.
And this even goes for all people who leave the company. So would you REALLY want such a thing?
It will not matter to them. Any distribution will be OK. Perhaps better focus on GNOME or KDE. Next see what you are comfortable with. Is that RPM or DEB based?
As you will be the maintainer, see that auto-update is configured.
Now if you are going to do a lot of installs and you want to configure them in a specific way with some software installed and other software removed, take a look at http://susestudio.com./ You can easily make your own distribution and even already add things like MPlayer and codecs so that they will have a fully operational system. If you have the rights to use and/or distribute e.g. codecs is another question. No idea about YOUR legal situation.
SUSE studio lets you test it and also build live CD, HD images and the like.
That's the spirit. That is what the law that protect children is for: labeling people as sex offenders for the rest of their lives.
Now for me as long as there is no proof of actual intention of a sexual intention, that is not what should happen even if some images of nude kids were taken in the process. This is, in my opinion, an invasion of privacy and should be handled as such.
From the way I see people write about it, is that they want to punish these as bad as possible and the fact that breaking privacy won't do that enough says more about how important people value their privacy more then anything else.
They have a warehouse, so they can easily make a brick and mortar one out of it. Nobody says it has to be cheaper or easy accesible or even customer friendly. Just make a store the size of a phone booth and explain clearly that it will be more expensive if they buy stuff there and the service will be lousy.
Rinminds me of when I was young, I was too young to go to a movie, so I just bought the book. When I was older, I saw the movie and what was written in the book was much more non-16 year old then the movie.
Textbooks can't do that nearly as well as the primary source video footage taken in 1905 and 1906.
For that you only need one computer and a beamer and a teacher who shows this footage, stops it at moments to give extra explanation to said footage and actually teaches stuff. Sure, being able to find information yourself is importand too, but it should not be the only thing.
So if a xcompany with a trademark complaints, they remove it, but if I complain they won't? And then the company who has the trademark will most likely not have the trademark on the typo, so they have not a real foot to stand on.
Now if they would say "if we see a sqatter, we remove the ads" then everybody can complain, Google investigates and removes if they are ineed sqatters.
Same here. I once saw an error in a css file. This was a file that was created on the fly by the closed source program (don't ask) and it took them 8 months implementing the solution. The irony is that the part that they complain about is what brought up this solution. I was just an extra pair.
This is precisely the kind of argument you become susceptible to if you think that an attribute of software (security) is more important than your freedom.
The great software writer Benjamin Franklin already wrote: They who can give up essential freedom to obtain a little temporary security, deserve neither freedom nor security.
Well, that is what I use. Instead of listening to the radio and hear people blabber about nothing while I am on my way to work, I put a disc or SD card with audio books(s) on it and listen to that. Righ now I am listening to 'Red Planet'. Luckily many are available in MP3 now. LotR I had to put into 4 CDs (including one for The Hobbit) from 55 CDs. With my new radio I put them on a SD card. Mono in 64 bit is good enough as it is only speech.
If I travel by train or plane, I just put them on any MP3 player and can read the books I desire during my trip.
Really guys, naming your protest after female anatomy does nothing to help the cause.
By NOT using the name, you would be doing what you are opposing: Censorship. And breaking the privacy of others just to get ahead? I should be doing whatever I like in my free time. Wether that is looking at tits or playing with tits is nobodies business.
I will however also fight for the same rights for those people who are against them. Even politicians with their misteresses and other hypocrites. How could I break that privacy with others if I want to defend it?
And that is about it. They have no interest in changing anything. Be it RIAA or the oil industry. They are certain what they make on how they make it. They can not be certain if they make as much if they start doing something else.
You complain about 6 miles on a bike to school? (Just under 10KM). That is about 30-45 minutes of biking and you call that a lot? (If you go for speed, it could be as little as 15-20 minutes if you are well trained)
And you complain about it taking away time for chores, homework and sports? Say that the bus drive took 15 minutes (including you to be ready and waiting for it) you would have saved 1 hour per day that you could be at least in part spend with friends. And with the exercise, it takes away the need for sport.
I went to school by bike often, even though my parents did not allow it. One hour in the morning and one hour in the evening back. half of it riding with a group of friends. So not only was I working on my physical skills, I was also working on my social skills.
And the nice thing was that if I did not go directly from school to home, I already had my transport with me. We could stop along the way home and do whatever we wanted to do. I must have been around 11-12 I think.
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What about the manager just showing up once in a while? I know of a place where the big chief went on a holiday. The other managers said to come in one hour later when he was on a holiday. However what they did not know was that when he arrived, he took a plane back and showed up the next morning. Not sure if heads rolled, but you can be sure nobody did something like that ever again for the next 20 years.
+1 Insightfull. Nothing beats a social solution for a social problem. And with good management, you will gain more then the half day a dishonest person will steal. You might find out he is dishonest and kick his ass out of the company, or know why he is unhappy and turn him into a profit for the company. From the companies point of view a win-win situation.
Wow! Where you in their sales department? Say I have a holiday I want to go to. I get in at 13:00 after my Lunch. I leave. I explain later IF they actually look at it that I forgot to log out, because I was in such a hurry getting the kids from school, packing stuff and what not.
Obviously my cow orker who previously logged in and out for me will testify now that I was there indeed (so he can come in late and 'forget' to log in after a party).
And every time between 13:00 and 17:00 I can do whatever I like and the same in the morning. If I am really smart, I will be 'forget' to log in and/or out when I KNOW the person who will check on me can testify I was there. "Oh, that houghi, always forgetting to log in and out. Typicial.". Hey that is how I know people are doing it now.
So what will the employer do? Will he realize that dishonest staff is a social problem that you can not solve with a technical solution or that there needs to be MORE surveillance? At this moment we have a RFID key that opens the door, but is not used for measurement of any kind.
And using cards is not an issue where I live. Everybody has a walled where I live. They put the card in their wallet or any other easy to reach place. (I know of people who put it in their phone) and hold that to wherever you enter. So no need to 'remember' the card. Now we have something you put on your key chain. So have your keys and you shall pass.
So I would say it is a slippery slope towards more control of honest people making them feel as if their boss does not trust them, while the dishonest ones will figure ways around it or do disthoest things in another way. They will be there, but do nothing or just steal stuff or whatever.
When complaining about it, just using 'privacy' will not be enough. What you need to do is look at the price, look at the price of alternatives and see what the advantages/disadvantages are. And then come up with the system that will be more price efficient.
What you need to know is how much they think people abuse the current system, then ask how they came up with that number.
What most likely is, is that they noticed one or two people logging in for others, think that everybody does that and use everybody as a parameter. Also they assume that if they use this system, nobody will be able to cheat. So you are fighting with falsified numbers and decisions that are already take before any calculations are done.
Where I work they had the brilliant idea to do fingerprints for this as well. My ideas where first the famous "Myth Busters" show where they showed this won't work. Next I could see that what would happen would be that managers instead of checking if people were actually there, would start believing the machine that the person was there.
So I come in at 09:00 and leave at 09:01 and come back at 16:59 to log out at 17:00. Manager sees that I was there.
Staff not attending is a social problem. Don't solve it with a technical solution.
Luckily for now they have halted the project. I am sure they will pick it up again in April or so.
And one question I had was never answered: "So you want a trail of how much extra time people do, which can be used in court, even though at this moment you decide not to pay those extra hours?" As I live in Belgium, the moment they fire me and this system is in place AND I want to screw them, I can just ask for all those extra hours from the moment I started working there (not from when they started measuring) and they will have to pay me AND pay all the taxes on top of that as well. A quick calculation of 1 hour extra per day: 200 hours or a bit over 1 month per year.
For them that will be 1 month x 3 per year (double pay and all the extra's on top), or somewhere a So if I work there 4 years they would have a cost of 1 year extra or 25%. Now there are several hundred people working with us in Belgium.
And this even goes for all people who leave the company. So would you REALLY want such a thing?
It will not matter to them. Any distribution will be OK. Perhaps better focus on GNOME or KDE. Next see what you are comfortable with. Is that RPM or DEB based?
As you will be the maintainer, see that auto-update is configured.
Now if you are going to do a lot of installs and you want to configure them in a specific way with some software installed and other software removed, take a look at http://susestudio.com./ You can easily make your own distribution and even already add things like MPlayer and codecs so that they will have a fully operational system. If you have the rights to use and/or distribute e.g. codecs is another question. No idea about YOUR legal situation.
SUSE studio lets you test it and also build live CD, HD images and the like.
So the FBI shows an interest? Are we sure they don't do it to see how they can get away with invading peoples privacy in the future?
That's the spirit. That is what the law that protect children is for: labeling people as sex offenders for the rest of their lives.
Now for me as long as there is no proof of actual intention of a sexual intention, that is not what should happen even if some images of nude kids were taken in the process. This is, in my opinion, an invasion of privacy and should be handled as such.
From the way I see people write about it, is that they want to punish these as bad as possible and the fact that breaking privacy won't do that enough says more about how important people value their privacy more then anything else.
They have a warehouse, so they can easily make a brick and mortar one out of it. Nobody says it has to be cheaper or easy accesible or even customer friendly. Just make a store the size of a phone booth and explain clearly that it will be more expensive if they buy stuff there and the service will be lousy.
Rinminds me of when I was young, I was too young to go to a movie, so I just bought the book. When I was older, I saw the movie and what was written in the book was much more non-16 year old then the movie.
The ad distribution reaches the whole world, not only the USofA.
And then there are the thieves who just do some sort of wardriving, look at houses, see if they are perhaps easy to break in to and rob those.
Say my status says I am on a holiday and they come by, they will still want to know if there is an alarm, neighbours to watch and what not.
So if a xcompany with a trademark complaints, they remove it, but if I complain they won't? And then the company who has the trademark will most likely not have the trademark on the typo, so they have not a real foot to stand on.
Now if they would say "if we see a sqatter, we remove the ads" then everybody can complain, Google investigates and removes if they are ineed sqatters.
They should do the same with gravity. Instandly they will have flying cars.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/18448/18 is the page with the conclusion
Welcome to almost any professional sport and sporting event.
So each time I have a program xrash and it asks me if I want to report it I get payed? Wow?
Same here. I once saw an error in a css file. This was a file that was created on the fly by the closed source program (don't ask) and it took them 8 months implementing the solution. The irony is that the part that they complain about is what brought up this solution. I was just an extra pair.
The great software writer Benjamin Franklin already wrote:
They who can give up essential freedom to obtain a little temporary security, deserve neither freedom nor security.
Well, that is what I use. Instead of listening to the radio and hear people blabber about nothing while I am on my way to work, I put a disc or SD card with audio books(s) on it and listen to that. Righ now I am listening to 'Red Planet'. Luckily many are available in MP3 now. LotR I had to put into 4 CDs (including one for The Hobbit) from 55 CDs. With my new radio I put them on a SD card. Mono in 64 bit is good enough as it is only speech.
If I travel by train or plane, I just put them on any MP3 player and can read the books I desire during my trip.
By NOT using the name, you would be doing what you are opposing: Censorship. And breaking the privacy of others just to get ahead?
I should be doing whatever I like in my free time. Wether that is looking at tits or playing with tits is nobodies business.
I will however also fight for the same rights for those people who are against them. Even politicians with their misteresses and other hypocrites. How could I break that privacy with others if I want to defend it?
So basically it is graffiti saying Kilroy was here
And that is about it. They have no interest in changing anything. Be it RIAA or the oil industry. They are certain what they make on how they make it. They can not be certain if they make as much if they start doing something else.
You complain about 6 miles on a bike to school? (Just under 10KM). That is about 30-45 minutes of biking and you call that a lot? (If you go for speed, it could be as little as 15-20 minutes if you are well trained)
And you complain about it taking away time for chores, homework and sports? Say that the bus drive took 15 minutes (including you to be ready and waiting for it) you would have saved 1 hour per day that you could be at least in part spend with friends. And with the exercise, it takes away the need for sport.
I went to school by bike often, even though my parents did not allow it. One hour in the morning and one hour in the evening back. half of it riding with a group of friends. So not only was I working on my physical skills, I was also working on my social skills.
And the nice thing was that if I did not go directly from school to home, I already had my transport with me. We could stop along the way home and do whatever we wanted to do. I must have been around 11-12 I think.