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Operation Titstorm Hits the Streets
schliz writes "Hacker group 'Anonymous' is organising international, real-life protests of the Australian mandatory internet filter this coming Saturday. Protests will take place in major Australian cities as well as at Australian embassies around the world. The protests are said to be the second stage of 'Operation Titstorm,' which unleashed a prolonged DDoS attack on Australian government websites last week. Organisers of the so-called Project Freeweb said: 'If passed, this legislation will set a disturbing precedent at an international level. The public, not the Government, should have the right to decide what is deemed appropriate for you or your family to be exposed to.'"
Sorry, didnt read TFA, it would spoil my imagination
God's gift to chicks
What is universal that should be banned (e.g., child porn) as opposed to filtered out by parents? I don't agree with how they're going about it Down Under, but I am wondering about this question.
Fuck 'em. Here's where to hit them, from some scumsucking possibly bunk website:
Australian General Consulate Atlanta, GA -
Suite 970, One Buckhead Plaza 3060 Peachtree Road, NW Atlanta 30305 United States of America Tel:(+1 404) 760 3400 Fax: (+1 404) 760 3401
Australian General Consulate in Chicago, IL -
123 North Wacker Drive Suite 1330 Chicago IL 60606 United States of America Tel: 1 312 419 1480 Fax: 1 312 419 1499
Australian Consulate in Detroit, MI -
860 West Long Lake Road, Suite 200 Bloomfield Hills Detroit MI 48302-2086 United States of America Tel: +1 248 593 9000 Fax: +1 248 593 9001
Australian Consulate in Denver, CO -
9200 West Cross Drive, Suite #110 Littleton Denver CO 80209 United States of America Tel: 1 303 321 2234 Fax: 1 303 973 9938
Australian General Consulate in Honolulu, HI
- Penthouse, 1000 Bishop Street Honolulu 96813 United States of America Tel: 1 808 524 5050 Fax: 1 808 531 5142
Australian Consulate in Houston, TX -
5757 Woodway Drive #175 Houston TX 77057 United States of America Tel:1 713 782 6009 Fax: 1 713 782 7509
Australian Consulate in Miami, FL -
Suite 208 2525 SW Third Avenue Miami FL 33129 United States of America Tel:1 305 858 7633 Fax:1 305 857 0044
Australian General Consulate New York , NY -
150 East 42nd Street, 34th fl, New York NY 10017, USA Tel; (212) 351-6500 Fax: (212)351-6501
Australian Mission to The United Nations in New York, NY -
150 East 42 Street, Level 33 New York NY 10017 United States of America Tel: (1-212 or 1-646) 351 6600 Fax: (1-212 or 1-646) 351 6610
Australian General Consulate San Francisco, CA -
625 Market Street, Suite 200 (Cnr Market and New Montgomery Streets) San Francisco CA 94105-3304 United States of America Tel: 1 415 536 1970 Fax: 1 415 536 1982
Australian Embassy in Washington, DC -
11601 Massachusetts Ave Washington DC NW 20036-2273 United States of America Tel:1 202 797 3000 Fax:1 202 797 3331 E-mai:General enquiries: library.washington@dfat.gov.au
Really guys, naming your protest after female anatomy does nothing to help the cause. It is immature and reeks of disorganization. There are far better ways to undermine censorship. You have to attack the authority of the censors. Make them appear weak, useless, and strip their credibility. Expose them at every corner as being partial, biased, and at the same time abjectly failing to do their jobs. They are government so this shouldn't be any real kind of challenge now should it?
I look forward to seeing pictures of these censorship advocates having sex with their mistresses, getting wasted in public, allegations of bribery, and all other unseemly manner of behavior. Because if there's one thing the public can't stand for, it's being prohibited from doing the very things these authority types reserve for themselves. They already believe themselves to be morally superior to you so I ask again -- what real challenge is there here?
#fuckbeta #iamslashdot #dicemustdie
They thought breasts would be here and were mislead by the topic! Shame on you slashdot
As you can see, the problem with headless organizations such as Anonymous, or the Tea-Baggers is that, without some sort of filter at the top to weed out the stupid ideas, pretty much anything can be espoused as being a 'core ideal' of the group.
While censorship is bad.. Operation Titstorm? Whatever 15 year old came up with that is likely not the coalesced summation of ideals that Anonymous was created for.
I assume you are American.
When protesters in the Middle East rant and rave outside the gates of the US Embassy in their country, do you think our government's policy is changed as a result?
By protesting outside Australian consulates (!) what do you hope to gain? Is this an effective form of redress?
will take whatever they are selling
God's gift to chicks
it is one step better then to do nothing
God's gift to chicks
You don't seem to know who anonymous are.
This operation has set sail for fail. Not nearly enough time to get enough people involved.
I think it's at least worth a shot, but Feb. 20 is way too soon if you go by the various forums reached by following the links.
Oh, I wish "tit storm" meant what my dirty masculine mind wants to think it means, and that the storm would wind its way through my town in the USA....
Many people drown because they thought they should "do something" rather than lie still and float.
"Hacker group"
Nope.
No, I think he knows who Anon is. It's just that he doesn't think that threatening the things they feed upon will get them riled up enough to leave the basement.
wow, you managed to depict members of an internet-based group as "losers". how incredibly imaginative of you. now how about you shut the fuck up until you have some real criticism against them?
weinersmith
Says the user called "noidentity" =D
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So many people are completely insulated in what they want to believe (i.e. the sites they choose to go to) that the real enemy isn't what is right or wrong in what is happening. The real enemy is getting attention to your cause at the correct time. Anonymous is a major threat to all governments, they have the potential through their own "brand recognition" to bring enough eyeballs to a topic at the exact correct time that enough of them will stick and actually make some, no matter how minor, difference. This is a threat, it must be stopped or corporatism will fail. ;)
Shh.
Many people drown because they thought they should "do something" rather than lie still and float.
What? Like... swim??
"Many of our number (Anonymous) are productive, intelligent members of society," said Infinite, who is a Web designer.
But most of them are college-age basement dwellers who type out their screeds in between trips to the minifridge to get more Cheetos.
Who the hell keeps Cheetos in a minifridge?
If censorship is what our government overlords have decided is best for us, clearly we are in need of a new democracy. Too bad our new democracy is run by Anonymous.
Well I think it's the protestors who are taking on the mantle of "Anonymous", not the press who are attributing it to them. The press largely doesn't understand what the deal is with "Anonymous", but then a lot of the press is never really digs into these things.
Also, it's true that "the people" don't do anything as a whole. You get some subset working on something, and even if they're very poorly organized, it helps you have a term for them so you can reference them easily.
I thought part of the reason people liked claiming to be part of "Anonymous" was that the press didn't understand what the hell was going on. Basically anyone can validly claim to be "Anonymous" so long as they're... you know... anonymous... and the press will suddenly act like that person is the head of a powerful hacker terrorist crime syndicate.
Their ad brings even more negative attention to poor ol' IRC...
Being college-aged is a negative quality, now? Historically, students have been some of the most vocal in protecting our rights. If your point is that people of this age have less influence on society than older people, well I'd say that young people today are the adults of tomorrow and I'd sooner see college-age people protesting and hopefully retaining those attitudes and sympathies as they get older, than not see them protesting.
As regards basement-dwelling and eating cheetos, well you have no idea where they're living or what they're eating. Neither, by the way, did I realise affects your political activism.
Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
So, I became curious when I read about this DDOS on the Australian websites. I wondered: how hard would it be to write a simple, DDOS tool? Something that didn't require anything fancy, that anybody could do without installing anything special?
So, I wrote something, and tested it on my own local webserver. Surprisingly, it took me less than 10 minutes to write a simple javascript webpage with iframes that generated in excess of a million hits an hour in about 20 lines of HTML + javascript, armed with nothing more than a browser and notepad. I didn't even have to host it; the file was saved locally on my HDD!
The method was simple: a webpage with a bunch of iframes that sourced the target, and a javascript onload that refreshed the page. How could it get any simpler? My conclusion? A DDOS attack is the digital equivalent of peasants throwing rocks. Anybody can do it. It requires nothing. It's still a rather effective form of attack!
I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
Consulates are often small parts of much larger buildings. Who's going to even know what they're protesting about?
Why do I keep seeing this word "member". Anonymous has no "members", it's not some organization you join. The fact that I'm posting AC means I'm a "member" of anonymous.
It is kind of interesting that they're managing to get media attention for it, which is one of the major goals of protests. Even when it's a repackaging of traditional protest techniques, they seem to be relatively good at PR-managing it, in comparison to more traditional protest groups. Partly, this seems to be because they're: 1) somewhat more theatrical; and 2) more single-issue, so the anti-Scientology or anti-censorship protest isn't diluted by a parade of the usual suspects with off-topic preaching of veganism, 9/11 conspiracy theories, antiglobalization, and such.
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Many people drown because they thought they should "do something" rather than lie still and float.
What? Like... swim??
His point exactly, genius.
Being an Australian I can tell you most Australians are apathetic to this issue and there likely won't be a huge turn-out. There probably won't be anything but fleeting mass media coverage, and that means politicians will ignore it and side with the "think of the children" majority who have no idea of the underlying implications.
If there was an upcoming election the issue *might* hit the media if the opposition declared a policy of no filtering and hightlighted all the negative aspects. But given the previous liberal government floated around similar ideas I wouldn't hold my breath on that, I think the position of both the major political parties is unfortunately much the same.
But most of them are college-age basement dwellers who type out their screeds in between trips to the minifridge to get more Cheetos.
[Asked very sl-o-wly] Are you American??
Tits or not, no one listens to protestors
Perhaps you should have read the linked article... the bit you're looking for is silent protest. I'll summarize the rest of the info for you STFU.
I could be confused - but is "protestors" a word?? In this particular instance I think (hope) that you are wrong. The general public, and most of the politicians believe that it is only a small section of society that is against censorship. The protest will allow them to see that those against censorship are not a bunch of socialmisfits in search of lolz and animal sex.
I, for one, welcome the chance to put the agenda to the politicians.
I'd love to hear that someone was organizing a protest next week - at the American Embassy against the imposition of ACTA, and the lobbying (read bribing) of Australian politicians to support/allow *IAA. Maybe iinet could put on some buses?
I wonder how they plan to stay anonymous in those protests...
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
Finally! The Australians are on their way to a "happy harmonious society".
Let us know in a few years how that works out for ya.
Can you stop acting as a naive mainstream news provider and referring to "anonymous" as a legitimately cohesive hacking group when it's really, literally, an anonymous group of people that post randomly to various forums?
Yeah well, before you start a revolution make sure it's something you're really willing to sacrifice your life for, because you might. In this case, I would be willing to wait it out until I could vote some sane people into office. But this is Australia's issue, not mine, so I'll let them do what they want.
Qxe4
I'd rather they didn't make the decision either.
sorry, my bad, spur of the moment commenting... slashdot has no delete comment option!
buddies?
weinersmith
We are anonymous
We are legion
We do not forgive
We do not forget
Yeah, like, swim. In the city of San diego, .....blah, blah..
..rant....troll, troll, troll
WTF!!
Me thinks you take your posting name way too seriously...
Try reading my post again - arseclown!
Loser.
I did what I could to immediately shutdown their even more draconian censorship law before. Wish I was anywhere near an Australian embassy. If anyone knows of a way to help please post it here
Look at all the members of Anonymous posting replies here!
But really, there does seem to be a bias to cover stories about "Anonymous" here on Slashdot. I mean, the mainstream tech news takes far less heed to the activities of this loosely knit group of hacktivists.
I see someone didn't get laid on valentine's day.
Dear BadGrammarNaziKid,
Many people drown because they thought they should "do something" rather than lie still and float.
What? Like... swim??
His point exactly, genius.
So - which livesaving club did you learn that at??
Q. When caught in rip you should:-
(b) Swim, but not against it...
So by giving the Australian government more ammunition to pass this piece of legislation, how does this help?
Like the fact that they constantly run unfunny memes into the ground because none of them have a shred of originality, or that they think child porn is funny? Is that criticism enough?
You have a very fitting username. Protesting an embassy is equivalent to floundering and filling your lungs with water? I'd propose a better analogy, but unlike you, I don't think anyone here is stupid enough to require an analogy in order to understand what protesting an embassy is.
But you be a floater as long as you like. Hmmmm. There's a bad analogy in there.
Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
lol, the light of the match would hurt your eyes and make you run back to your mom's basement.
child porn is funny. isn't it? hello?? why isn't anyone an***** NO CARRIER *****
weinersmith
I keep my chips, crackers and cereal in the freezer after I open them. Low humidity keeps them fresh and crisp longer.
GB2Clearwater, scifag.
FYI Thetans make you lose the game.
It's okay. I'm sorry you're a web designer.
You keep cheetos in your minifridge? What, do they go bad? I always assumed they would outlast the Apocalypse.
Posting Annon for obvious reasons.
Yeah, those darn leftist professors. Like how the students in Iran that protest their government are doing so because they're incited by "leftist professors". Or students protesting against the communists in Soviet Russia or during Ukraine's "Orange Revolution". How about all those students protesting against the Iraq war in the USA and the UK? Was that a "left-right" issue. What about the university-based protests in Greece last year against police who beat a young man to death. Did they have a leftist agenda? Or could it be that you just see the world in your own terms, ignoring that students have historically protested against tyranny, regardless of how it dresses itself up.
Don't be so quick to dismiss or condemn or suggest that students are simple cattle that do something "impressively stupid" without right information. What exactly is "impressively stupid" about protesting any of the examples I gave? Or indeed protesting censorship laws that have been mis-represented to the public which is what the GP was talking about?
Aide-toi, le Ciel t'aidera - Jeanne D'Arc.
Come on now! I may be college age and live in a basement, but I don't keep my Cheetos in the fridge!
"Perl is my favorite... It's like wiping your ass with unix." - Lord Ender
Portraying them as losers is one thing, but the suggestion that they are deranged enough to refrigerate Cheetos is going too far.
Not only that, but revolutions have a tendency to result in a society that falls apart in 10 - 15 years.
It took the french well over 100 years to actually get rid of their monarchy in the end - and what they got nearly immediately after the revolution was arguably worse than what they were revolting against.
It's probably worth asking your average soviet era Russian how happy they were with the whole revolution idea too...
The trouble with revolutions is the winner is the side best at killing their own people.
FYI, I'm headed for a Ph.D.!
... in web design...
weinersmith
How about all those students protesting against the Iraq war in the USA...? Was that a "left-right" issue.
Yeah. No duh?
I can't speak to your other examples, but I'm guessing you can't either.
I won't join Slashcott. OTOH, If Beta goes live, I just won't be back until it's fixed. Sorry Dice.
I believe the situation the Great-great-GP refers to is if you capsize (or fall overboard) with indefinite information as to when you'll be rescued, and you either don't know which way land is or know it's too far to swim. In these cases, your best action is to lie still and float, because someone will figure out you're missing and send rescue (which is a lot harder if you've drowned after exhausting yourself). Your answer is as stupid as criticising someone's answer on "what to do when attacked by a bear" (run), because it's not "what to do when attacked by a rhinoceros" (climb a tree).
Also, your use of both HTML [ul]s and manual list points is infuriating. Use [ol] if you want an ordered list, you twit.
I could be confused - but is "protestors" a word?
Random House seems to think that it is: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/protestor. (as an alternate spelling; yeah, caught me offguard too.)
The general public, and most of the politicians believe that it is only a small section of society that is against censorship.
Are you talking about this censorship or about censorship in general? If in general, I think you'll find feelings opposing censorship to vary widely by local and be proportional to functioning democracy (In general).
Besides, you seem to be talking in circular logic here. The general public believes that only a small fraction of itself is against censorship? What kind of argument is that? Was there some weird meta-poll? (pollsters sometimes use weird circular questions like this...) It still says nothing about what the general public thinks about censorship, only what members of the general public believe that others think about censorship. (a very important distinction.)
I won't join Slashcott. OTOH, If Beta goes live, I just won't be back until it's fixed. Sorry Dice.
You keep your Cheetoes
The fact that the only people standing up for Australians' rights are these same "script kiddies and shy exhibitionists" is notable in and of itself.
Where is the Amnesty protest? Where is the EFA protest? This is news because everyone else is conspicuously silent.
Also, you may have missed the fact that THIS ENTIRE CATEGORY is entitled "Your Rights Online", and solely devoted to posts on this subject. Are you lost?
This is a story about Australians' rights online, and what Anonymous (of all groups) is doing to try safeguard them. That's about as on-topic as you get.
well, it makes them look more powerful, so... i say go for it! life is more fun with omnipresent vigilantes/supervillains (exactly which description fits them best depends on the beholder, or course).
weinersmith
Quick, which movie is this line from?
I hate being bipolar; it's awesome!
Members of Anonymous are infringing on my right to freedom of speech. I'm afraid to speak on my own domain without fear that it will piss one of them off enough to DOS my server.
Anonymous is trying to cause idiocy and aggravation "for the lolz", not to actually benefit anyone other than their own immature hordes of circle-jerking failures.
The same as they always do.
Anonymous is not about rights, or justice, or indeed anything at all except causing aggravation and unpleasantness for their own sake.
The only members of Anonymous actually interested in the topic itself as a genuine cause are those that reside in Oz and understand that the random child-porn distribution through /b/ will require them to actually learn how to use proxies to access, rather than merely claiming to be "behind [over 9000] proxies!"
kartune85 : Incapable of reason, observation or learning. A kind of dim, drab, flightless parrot.
And a happy Xenu-luvin' day to you too.
Have you perchance noticed that your "fearless leaders" have gone very quiet and abandoned all efforts to crush the scientiology cult since a mere 3 of them got fingered by various police departments for illegal attacks?
So much for "legion", "untouchable" and "unstoppable".
kartune85 : Incapable of reason, observation or learning. A kind of dim, drab, flightless parrot.
What? Are we (western societies) such an advanced totalitarian society that manifesting against censorship could endanger ones life?
Are you talking about this censorship or about censorship in general?
"this" censorship. (in the context of the original post and resulting thread).
In Australia there has been little public debate about the government Internet Filtering proposition. Media coverage has been predominately about people downloading files and what it costs the industry.
When the question of whether the proposed censorship is good/achievable/economical any intelligent debate has been drowned out by the "what about the children" chant (Family First Party). Operation Titstorm has put the debate back in the media - and further strengthened the fear campaign of the pro-censorship lobby - the hard work done by such groups as SAGE, EFA has been discredited by the attacks and the spamming of porn. The perception only pornographers and "pirates" are against pornography should be easier to discredit if a broader representation of the anti-censorship people is seen.
*YOU* should have the right to deem what is appropriate for you or your family to be exposed to.
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The practice of "Outing," that is, publicly revealing the true sexual preference of prominent public officials, is with very good reason very controversial.
But one reason that the practice persists is that some of the politicians who work the hardest to prevent homosexuals from enjoying the same rights that any straight person would have, are themselves closet homosexuals. Often very vigorously so.
This might not make sense to you, but the reason is very basic to the way people work: We hate the most in others that which we hate the most in ourselves.
That suggests an avenue for attack against the Australian censorship laws: track the "media" preferences of those who worked the hardest to bring the censorship about, and then publish it for all to see. Not just the public officials, but members of the public who lobbied for the laws.
I probably shouldn't be too specific as to how one would discover what those media preferences actually are, but I have no doubt that my fine friends at Slashdot could figure that out on their own.
Protests outside an embassy are often reported in the news. That raises awareness of the issue. In this case, the protesters hope that it will embarrass Australians (or the Australian government) into changing their laws (or proposed laws).
What would you suggest doing instead?
You are supposed to finish the bag before you get back out of the chair.
Anything can be found funny, from a certain point of view.
I could be confused - but is "protestors" a word??
Seems like it http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/word.
Word -noun
a unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning. Words are composed of one or more morphemes and are either the smallest units susceptible of independent use or consist of two or three such units combined under certain linking conditions, as with the loss of primary accent that distinguishes blackbird from black bird. Words are usually separated by spaces in writing, and are distinguished phonologically, as by accent, in many languages.
Anything can be found funny, from a certain point of view.
I was infected by a Trojan "av.exe" while visiting a link from the article. I think it was the project freeweb site, but the link seems to be removed from the article now.
1) There are no leaders. That's kind of the whole point of Anonymous.
2) The only reason why they were attacking Scientology is because they, with their copyrights and takedowns, are the enemy of a free and open internet. If the Australian government is worse, why shouldn't they refocus their efforts?
Depends... do you consider you still have a life if you're locked away in a dank dark hole, and your name is forever slandered with the title 'pedophile', simply because you disagree with thought-crime laws?
Look, Conroy et al are a bunch of hopeless wallies and their censorship plan is nuts, but suggesting we should shoot them is completely and totally over the top. I can almost understand the giggling schoolboys behind the DDOS, but murder as a response to censorship? WTF?
If I had to choose between Conroy and this religious wacko mates vs you and your gun toting maniac friends, I'd take the Minister for Censorship and strap on my cilice with relish.
As an Australian AC too lazy to register, perhaps I can ask you why you support this filter? I know I don't "like and expect some censorship". Personally, I like the movie rating system (for example) but don't think anything at all should be banned. Just rated.
Why do you think Conroy's censorship proposal will a) do anything useful, b) be cost effective, and c) not be abused? I reckon it is pretty obvious it won't stop anything nasty, will cost a lot, and will be abused to censor political discussion (especially since euthanasia and abortion sites are already on ACMA's block list).
What is there to like about this proposal? I'm keen to know since as far as I can see it's pure shit and stinks to heaven.
I believe the situation the Great-great-GP refers to is if you capsize (or fall overboard) with indefinite information as to when you'll be rescued, and you either don't know which way land is or know it's too far to swim.
What you mean is either "I have an idea", or, "I have a great emotional investment".
In these cases, your best action is to lie still and float, because someone will figure out you're missing and send rescue (which is a lot harder if you've drowned after exhausting yourself).
Get a life. (Have you actually been in the ocean? Was there any waves?)
Your answer is as stupid as criticising someone's answer on "what to do when attacked by a bear" (run), because it's not "what to do when attacked by a rhinoceros" (climb a tree).
Now you are really off on a tangent...
Get a brain - my post was in response to what I quoted.
Also, your use of both HTML [ul]s and manual list points is infuriating.
>> There are no leaders...willing to own up to their actions
Fixed that for you.
>>reason why they were attacking Scientology... was to stir shit and create "lawlz"
Fixed that for you also.
>>why shouldn't they refocus their efforts?
because their efforts are the efforts of a large group of pathetic sub-human idiots, who glory in their perceived freedom from consequences and scatter like little slimy things when their rock is overturned.
kartune85 : Incapable of reason, observation or learning. A kind of dim, drab, flightless parrot.
Companies often prepare for M&A by complying with the buyer's rules prior the purchase event. Considering the amount of mining investment that China has in Australia, maybe this censorship is just a prerequisite before the merger?
There are no leaders...willing to own up to their actions
Fixed that for you.
No, there actually are no leaders. There are people who get up on (virtual) podiums, present ideas and sometimes get the crowd to implement them but they aren't leaders. Them being anonymous, the group can't rally around specific people. No formal command structure exists at all.
reason why they were attacking Scientology... was to stir shit and create "lawlz"
Fixed that for you also.
Then why don't they attack Mom & Pop's Flower Shop's website, which doesn't have the legal ability to fight back that Scientology has? True bullies that are going out for lulz attack only the weak. The answer is because they, being human beings, don't want to hurt innocent people. Scientology deserves it, because they are an enemy of internet freedom.
why shouldn't they refocus their efforts?
because their efforts are the efforts of a large group of pathetic sub-human idiots, who glory in their perceived freedom from consequences and scatter like little slimy things when their rock is overturned.
If you're part of a guerrilla force and authorities are moving in to your location, you flee. That's how George Washington liberated America, and that's how all groups that aren't strong enough to attack the enemy head on fight. It's not cowardice, it's common sense.
Yeah well, before you start a revolution make sure it's something you're really willing to sacrifice your life for, because you might. In this case, I would be willing to wait it out until I could vote some sane people into office.
I'll bet German dissenters felt the same way.
"Eh. How bad can this Adolph guy be? Let's just wait until the next election."
Securing the media and controlling speech are the first steps in ensuring that there are no more elections.
DDoS attacks against a government are bound to get into the local media, and hearing "titstorm" is bound to get the common man's attention... because who doesn't like a good pair of ... storms...
Better idea. Order pizza online and send it to the Australian protests.
"Knowledge is the only instrument of production that is not subject to diminishing returns" -Journal of Political Econom
Your answer is as stupid as criticising someone's answer on "what to do when attacked by a bear" (run), because it's not "what to do when attacked by a rhinoceros" (climb a tree).
I'd just like to point out that running from a bear is completely pointless. They can easily run faster than any human, and if they've decided they're going to attack you (say, if you're playing with their cute little baby) you're pretty much fucked. The way to deal with a bear is to convince it not to attack you by not doing anything to make it angry (it almost certainly isn't planning to eat you, so it probably won't attack unless you piss it off), and by making yourself look larger and scarier than it by holding your jacket/pack over your head, standing up straight, making noises, talking (to show that you're human) etc. Of course, then you slowly get the hell out of there.
I'm not taking issue with anything in your post, but I figured knowing how not to be killed by a bear is useful knowledge that everyone should have.
"Conroy seems ideologically committed to this"
The operative word there is "seems". On just about every slashdot story concerning this issue I have asked for someone to point to a quote from Conroy where he says he is in favor of implementing a mandatory filter on private computers. There are tons of quotes about how comminted he is to the inquiry and the trial but none that I have seen that says he's committed to implementation.
The fact is most people in Australia who follow politics are smart enough to see this "yes minister" episode for what it is, ie: a snow job on two independent senators who (under certain circumstances) hold the balance of power in the senate but this is NOT one of those circumstances.
Now before anyone accuses me of being Conroy's #1 fan, the previous Howard government did exactly the same thing but Labor blocked their mandatory filter legislation in the senate, in other words the two major parties are taking turns at being the good cop (senate) or the bad cop (house of reps).
Anyone with half a brain and a bit of knowlege on Aussie politics (eg: Conroy) knows this bill will NEVER pass the senate, this is why Conroy has stated that he plans to reintroduce the legislation just before the next election, neither major party wants it to become a double dissolution trigger and would prefer it to be quitely voted down when it can be drowned out by the noise of a federal election.
Anyone who has bothered to read what the policies of both major parties actually say will find that neither are in favour of mandatory filters on private computers but both are in favour of the current mandatory filters on GOVERNMENT computers (ie: schools) and both are in favour of the current law that says ISP's must offer the mandatory government filter as an opt-in choice for those who want it. That translates to ~5% of users who have opted-in and with those sort of numbers it's obviously not seen as a vote winner by either major party.
None of this is new, it's a political game. The puritan minority will not go away so the major parties will continue this game because it has effectively kept the puritans busy chasing their own tails for at least a decade.
As for the independent senators, one of them backed down quite early on, making the football of this game Mr 2%, who has become strangely silent about censorship since his own anti-abortion sponsers "somehow" made it onto the proposed blacklist. It's also worth noting how Mr 2% got his nickname, both major parties have a score to settle with him and he will be gone at the next election, probably to be replaced by some other nutjob senator in a marginal seat who will keep the game alive during their fleeting term in office.
The game is an unfortunate waste of taxpayers money but OTOH a democracy must provide an avenue for minorites to voice their political opinion even if that opinon is ironically advocating censorship of the opinons of porn lovers they disagree with. Since opertaion titstorm is in effect illegally censoring the government with their DDOS they also fail the same irony test.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
for the umbrella industry that is.
I know I'm not getting one for this storm.
your rights online: none
The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
until you have some real criticism against them?
How about the fact that their methods of "protesting" are consistently as suppressive as what they're trying to protest? Their arsenal consists solely of "I don't like what you're saying, so you don't get to say it." If any person, corporation, or government did this, we would be outraged. So why would we accept or encourage it from Anonymous? It's certainly no better a behavior coming from what is putatively "our side" than anywhere else. .
The fact is that Australians have elected their lawmakers. If they don't want this law, it's up to them to change it. If Anon wants to bring attention to to the legislation, that's great. If they want to protest , that's cool too. If they are disrupting services in the name of doing so -- services that people presumably need and use -- that just makes them childish.
Let the downmod commence, I know it's not popular to be critical of Anonymous here. But is it any surprise that they're viewed as basement-dwelling losers when their only tactic is equivalent to shouting so loud their opposition can't be heard?
A titstorm?
I want to see this!
When I start living in my mom's basement, breathing through my mouth and cruising 4chan, I will keep your sage advice in mind. Until then, I will enjoy crisp chips and such by my cunning utilization of modern technology.
As far as I can see, plans for Internet filtering in Australia focus on a miniscule number of sites. There are a couple that maybe shouldn't be filtered, but for the most part, the targetted sites host pretty sick stuff. I'm Australian and I have no problem with filtering as proposed thus far, and I have enough faith in our democratic institutions that I'm not too worried that filtering would be abused.
The lawmakers are ignoring the people. The Government has been talking about this censorship plan for almost 2 years now and it has never had public support, was ill-defined and has never had a chance of actually working. A week before the election the ALP (current Government) first mentioned this plan and it was *optional*, only after the election did they decide they wanted it to be *mandatory*. On top of that the media wants internet censorship so they aren't giving the issue any air time at all, the only mention of this policy on any nightly news has been spawned by the attacks from Anonymous, in that regard they have been more effective than all the letter writing, petition signing and protesting others are doing.
This was not voted on as an issue at the last election, it was slid in under the radar.
I'm sorry, you thought I was spouting a talking point? Sorry, no. You'll have to make do with facts and well thought out arguments. Citation needed? Here you go.
Oh my! You mean fighting an oppressive government isn't a hallmark of the left, even when they're not even when they're not actually being oppressed? Yes, I'd say exactly like that. I just happen to agree with them in those cases. Not having thought out your argument worth a damn doesn't mean you're necessarily wrong, e.g., Sean Hannity. Sean's so stupid it hurts to listen to him. Even when he's right in his position it's for completely the wrong reasons.
Yes. Again, exactly like that. The students protesting that war almost certainly sacrificed little or nothing to the war effort. They protested on behalf of an Iraqi public whose opinion on the matter they didn't care to know and on behalf of the soldiers who volunteered to fight the war. Well thought out, yeah?
Absofuckinglutely. Unless I missed it where all kinds of conservatives were shouting out against the war? I discount the buyer's remorse crowd because it means they were either sheep, too stupid to thoroughly consider their opinion beforehand, or simply saying whatever it took to get elected. In none of the previous cases are their positions of any strength or value whatsoever.
See Iraq War protesters. Protesting for a group that you don't have any idea if the majority of that group agree with you (the Iraqi people) is impressively stupid. Protesting on behalf of a group that is overwhelmingly opposed to your viewpoint (members of the US military) is more along the lines of astoundingly stupid.
GP(now GGP) was not speaking to the censorship laws or protesting thereof, he was speaking in defense of his hypothesis that being college-aged is not a bad thing. GGP(now GGGP) fired off a trolling snark at college students and said nothing at all on censorship. OP was the one speaking of censorship laws and the protests thereof and I happen to agree with him. This entire argument is a troll-feeding tangent with little to do with TFA. Fun though.
Violence is like duct tape. If it doesn't solve the problem, you didn't use enough.
To be followed by Operation Hooter Hurricane, Operation Mammary Monsoon, Operation Boobie Blizzard, Operation Tata Tornado and Operation Sirocco Of Sweater Puppies.
I could keep this up all day. :-D
Yeah, I know. Pathetic.
You would, apparently seriously, compare the 4-chan /b/ crowd of bumbling perverted imbeciles thrashing around in pools of their own virtual filth to the secession of the America's from the British Empire?
It's somehow no surprise that you're unaware that that doesn't qualify as a liberation.
kartune85 : Incapable of reason, observation or learning. A kind of dim, drab, flightless parrot.
So 4CHAN, er I mean anonymous is doing something constructive for a change? Or are they simply trolling Australia for the Lulz? If the government backs down on the filters will they turn around and fight to have them? I'm confused and scared, what about the children? Won't someone think of the Children... I don't want goatsx in the STREETS, around EVERY corner! O god the horror...
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I tried to think of a good sig, and this wasn't it.
Protests are largely useless here, 200,000 (unsure on the number, but a very significant number) people protested Australia getting involved in the Afghanistan/Iraq wars and we still went. I doubt 200,000 Australians even know the Rudd Government wants to filter their Internets.
The EFA is working on this issue. I'd urge all Australian's to sign the petition they will be tabling to the Senate.
Reporters Without Borders condemning mandatory internet censorship.
Google.au's views on their plan.
Many people and organisations are speaking out against this stupid idea, but the Rudd Government is actively ignoring them.
"...They protested on behalf of an Iraqi public whose opinion on the matter they didn't care to know and on behalf of the soldiers who volunteered to fight the war. Well thought out, yeah?..."
"volunteered" to fight the war. That's profoundly uninformed :-(
say: the billboards in times square
you could choose not to go to times square, but assuming you are like every other tourist, that is, you don't plan your media exposure, you just walk into times square and look up at the billboards: those billboards, in an attempt to catch eyes, try to be risque, they constantly push the envelope. what is too risque? PUBLIC policy determines that, and you and your family are exposed to exactly what PUBLIC policy has determined, not wehat you determine
for better or for worse, the de facto truth, even if you are shut in (television), is that public policy determines what you are exposed too. europe for example, has no problem showing female breasts on tv. americans however FEAR TEH BOOBIE, and will only show wholesome corpses and acts violent murder on television (smirk)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
How about: they're incapable of starting a sentence with a capital letter? Pretty serious in my opinion.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
goodness gracious, it appears that I have broken the internet
in Austrailaila
Just as well there was no American revolution and we English still govern the US as a colony. Oh wait...
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I didn't realise that the Australian government was going to illegally imprison and torture people over this.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I'll grant you the first two years weren't voluntary, and possibly even some of those recalled from IRR (though they knew this could be done, it's in their contract and explained when they sign it), but the majority were entirely voluntary knowing exactly what they would be doing.
Violence is like duct tape. If it doesn't solve the problem, you didn't use enough.
*sigh* Not supposed to reply to a troll trolling trolls etc etc but...
No, there actually are no leaders. There are people who get up on (virtual) podiums, present ideas and sometimes get the crowd to implement them but they aren't leaders. Them being anonymous, the group can't rally around specific people. No formal command structure exists at all.
I'm sorry, I simply refuse to believe that some guy on 4chan goes "We should protest outside against Australia", followed by 10.000 nerds dressing up as Raptor Jesus or start wearing Guy Fawkes masks. As much as 4chan prides itself on an anonymous hive-mind mentality, I think that some people cleverly use the masses using their most prized anonymity as a tool to mislead them. Having said that, perhaps I have grown too cynical to believe that a group of people spontaneously organizes into protest without having someone with an ulterior motive. Even an angry uncoordinated mob listens to the voice that shouts loudest, which per definition makes him the leader.
reason why they were attacking Scientology... was to stir shit and create "lawlz"
Then why don't they attack Mom & Pop's Flower Shop's website, which doesn't have the legal ability to fight back that Scientology has? True bullies that are going out for lulz attack only the weak. The answer is because they, being human beings, don't want to hurt innocent people. Scientology deserves it, because they are an enemy of internet freedom.
Nah, I find that hard to believe. I think most people that took part in the scientology protests were people going to a 4chan meetup dressed up as a meme "for the lulz". If 10% of the people there were actually there to protest I'd say that would be a lot. But instead of a protest you get 15 year olds holding signs with "longcat is loooooooooong", nervously looking around them. The protests even made the local news, with a spotty geeky kid trying oh so hard to explain what he's protesting against wearing a giant afro wig and failing miserably even to explain what the hell was wrong with scientology other than mumbling something about the internet.
I'd love to believe that there's a bunch of adolescents and college students protesting something they believe is wrong, but the reality is that the reputation the 4chan crowd has gotten isn't completely undeserved, and that is the one thing that is going to prevent anyone from taking you seriously.
Wait, so who's this guy I've been sending my membership dues to?!!!!
does it annoy you when i do that? does a lack of proper use of capitals make you uncomfortable? then try this on for size:
this is a sentence.
i write "i" as just i, not capital i.
god.
dalai-lama.
oh-bama!
panorama.
futurama.
healthcare reform.
weinersmith
I have seen that posted over 9000 times in this discussion, but I suspect that this is more nuanced than the btards are leading us to believe.
Can anyone confirm whether or not this is actually true?
Do you equate "disagree" with "violate"? I can disagree all I want and not go to jail. I can protest all I want and not go jail, or at least not for more than a few hours on an iffy disturbing-the-peace charge. I can fight censorship, campaign for office to change the laws, and do a whole boatload of things to oppose censorship without putting myself in any serious danger of loss of life of freedom.
However, if my form of "disagree" or protest is to possess child porn, I'd be in danger regardless of any laws censoring the internet.
I prefer rogues to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't feel represented by hackers cracking into websites. I also don't think that to be the best approach for protesting against net censoring laws. At best, it increases the general population's feeling that WWW is actually World Wild Web and that something has to be done to tame it. It just happens that the Aussie Government may be doing the wrong something.
How would it be like if the Al Qaida began a terrorism campaign to protest against the latest anti-freedom measures adopted in the US?
http://dilbert.com/2010-12-13
When protesters in the Middle East rant and rave outside the gates of the US Embassy in their country, do you think our government's policy is changed as a result?
Yes, though not because of the protesters themselves but rather the uproar at home that the protesters raised.
The article made it clear that the government believes small-breasted women are second-class citizens, and are not deserving of the same rights as large-breasted women.
Any man who is presently dating or married to a small-breasted woman is obviously a pedophile, and should be procesecuted as such to the full extent of the law.
Also, any man who claims that he doesn't buy into the bigger-is-better notion, and preferrs small-breasted women, falls into the same category.
Also, all small-breasted women should be legally required to have their breasts surgically enlarged, otherwise the women will be breaking obscenity laws whenever they walk around in public.
There are advantages, but I think it allows demonization in the end. Instead of "thousands of people marched in protest", it's "thousands of members of Anonymous marched in protest". At least for me, the latter is more easily written off as some fringe group whose views are shaped by small group of leaders.
I'll bet German dissenters felt the same way.
They didn't, the ones that spoke out were killed by the Nazis. When people who speak out get killed, that is a reasonable time to start a revolution. So far no one is getting killed for this in Australia, not even close.
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This is an example of a political protest done very badly. A distributed denial of service attack is unethical, to begin with, and thus would alienate many potential allies. Adopting an egregiously sexist title for it makes it worse, alienating more. All in all, this reads like a protest calculated to win support for the government's position.
Uh, yeah, that's the point, Sherlock. "You censor us, we censor you. Sucks, doesn't it? This is the internet. You don't make the rules here, we do. You stop, we stop."
Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
No, I don't equate those two. Distasteful as the child pornography idea is, it is still a thought-crime law, and that's a very slippery slope for the government to have gone down. We're already seeing the start of this. First it's possession of images of a criminal act, then it's 'artificially replicated' versions (re; simpsons porn = child porn?), next is 'things that kinda look similar' (small breasted women = child porn?). Add in the fact that our current government has openly equated disagreement with their policy to 'advocating such crimes', and at the very least the slander begins to be an issue.
Sure,... they've not locked anyone away -yet-, for simply disagreeing.
That list is way too complicated. All you have to do is run faster than whoever you're with.
To be fair to the /b/tards, if their physical age matches the typical mental age, wanting porn of people their own age would be fairly reasonable. They probably find it funny because annoying the mods is funny, and CP would be the best way to do that.
You're right that these kinds of protests are just about useless over here. I'm a bit disillusioned myself.
That doesn't mean we should lash out at those who want to help (even if it is "for the lulz").
Fair enough, they have better things to do, but this is a human rights issue too.
Dare I say, their protests to lift censorship might even be more effective than writing polite letters to totalitarian leaders asking for the release of political prisoners.
You see them as 13 year old losers in their mothers' basements. I see them as the future of decentralization and democracy and most likely similar to the means through which the revolution people keep advocating around here will happen. It won't be guns or bombs, it'll be people with computers online behind cryptographically secure anonymity.
They're young and immature now, just wait and see what they become.
The method was simple: a webpage with a bunch of iframes that sourced the target, and a javascript onload that refreshed the page. How could it get any simpler?
I used to work for a certain major advertising network. I am aware of several incidents where staff members placed hidden IFRAME tags (pointing at sites they didn't like) in ad creatives that were distributed across absolutely massive web properties. The increase in traffic must have crushed many of the victim servers.
If you surfed the web in the last ten years with an IFRAME capable browser, you've probably been an unknowing participant in a DDOS. You've all seen ads from said network.
You so bad! Blackhat hackah!
>> just wait and see what they become.
Unemployable meth-addicted man-children.
Convicts and ex-convicts.
Child molesters and rapists.
kartune85 : Incapable of reason, observation or learning. A kind of dim, drab, flightless parrot.
Protests outside the US embassy in a middle eastern country will do what? damage the US' image in that country? hardly; plus, who cares?
On the other hand, damaging Australia's image in the US might turn more heads than you think.
Anonymous is trying to cause idiocy and aggravation "for the lolz", not to actually benefit anyone other than their own immature hordes of circle-jerking failures.
That couldn't be farther from the truth.
I personally do not watch child porn, and would be delighted if it disappeared from the planet. However, I do not approve of arbitrary censorship based on attributes that may or may not indicate the legality of something. So I helped out with the DDoS for a while. Oh, and if they did block something it wouldn't affect me at all - I'm not even close to Australia.
It's true that some Anonymous aren't about much more than masturbation, but please don't apply that to us as a whole.
How about the fact that their methods of "protesting" are consistently as suppressive as what they're trying to protest?
Uh, yeah, that's the point, Sherlock. "You censor us, we censor you. Sucks, doesn't it? This is the internet. You don't make the rules here, we do. You stop, we stop."
In other words "Do as I say, not as I do".
Yep, that sounds like a great way to accomplish something. Principles are great, but only if you apply them consistently - even and perhaps especially when the other party doesn't.
No, in other words, "See how it feels?"
Idiot.
Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
College age is the maximum of two trendlines, taken together. As we grow older, we acquire responsibilities, take on power to decide our own actions. But this means that we become caught up in the details; our gaze falls from the horizon; we end up looking at our own feet and just trying to get by without rocking our precarious little boats.
The moment when we're most free to change the world, when the desire burns brightest in us, is that age. No wonder college kids do so much protesting and working--their sharp edges haven't been worn down yet.
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Whoever modded this as a troll, fuck you! I hope your mother, wife and daughters get assraped by a pack of howling niggers and you get to watch, then are not allowed to lick the cum out their assholes. You are a fucking faggot piece of shit who gets buttfucked every night by your momma who wears a 20" strap on and plows your ass before making you suck nigger dick until you choke on all the cum. Fucktard mother-fucking asshat bastard faggot!!!!!!!!!!!
When you react to somebody else's suppression or censorship with suppression or censorship of your own, you have no moral ground to stand on. You can be easily dismissed as "hackers" or "loser basement dwellers" then, by the very same people you're trying to convince to enact change.
Name-calling doesn't change the validity of this point.