Well, it is not SPAM if you agreed to it (by installing the application) and you have a reliable way to opt out again (by de-installing the application).
Still there is one tiny part which would qualify for SPAM: If the application does not specify before downloading that it is subsidized by advertising. I think the current differentiation between gratis is non is not enough.
And how do you know if the App uses advertising for revenue - before downloading? AFAIK there are only two groups (Free and pay) and not three groups (Truly gratis, subsidized and pay).
I know all that. What I was actually referring to was that most 3rd party applications still need admin rights. And it seems that those Kiosk programmers aren't any better.
And if I wanted an example of well done privilege management I would use VMS and not any of the all on / all off security from unix and it's derivates.
Search for my other postings lower down where I explained my self in more detail.
I actually like to SELL my application and won't sell anything if my customers have to install QT first. All that will happen is that I will be swamped with complains and tell me how-to questions - please step by step. And getting 1 star ratings to boot. It makes me eek only to think about it.
Google did it right: they won't even show applications to those who won't be able to use them.
That won't help if you want to sell application. You can not rely on Qt to be there. Not even for Symbian^1 because many user will never see the firmware upgrade.
Theoretically Windows has all the features needed to protect a Kiosk. You can mount an USB drive read only. You can remove admin rights from the default account so the software read only switch can't be changed. Have you ever looked through the list of privileges you can fine tune any security need between guest user and full admin? Make good old VMS privileges look simple. It is all there. Just no one uses it.
Fittet all the answer into the heading, what now? Yes, pointing out that the 6 month are only a promise and there is no guarantee that it becomes reality. And maybe a link or two:
I check it out. Even if it is true it took them a long time to notice that a shop without hobbyist wont't work. But then Nokia was never fast in noticing and rectifying there mistakes.
So now we'll just twist what the term means at will, to include just what we want at a given moment?
Spot on. But note that from a technical point there is always the real time operating system underneath. And a pretty good one. But without good GUI and good phone to show of once abilities it makes no difference.
That will be Symbian^4 - and I fear that Symbian^4 will be to late to successfully catch up with iOS or Android.
And some catch you have to do. I developed for Smybian/UIQ and later Symbian/S60E5 and now I develop for Andoid. And it is so much easier. Simpler to set-up, works not only on Windows, has a gratis IDE (eclipse), better Emulator, better on device debugging. logging framework, allows self signed application.
with emphasis in "could". Symbian/UIQ was a great offer crippled by low CPU, low memory phones. Symbian/S60 is crippled by being effectively non-tochscreen (S60E5 is just a bodge job). And by the time Symbian^4 comes out it will be "Symbian could have been a great Smartphone OS if only...".
Only by the time MeGoo is ready the marked will be carved up between iOS, Android and maybe RIM and only some breadcrumbs will be left for other OS offerings.
And once you are through all that you have Ovi to sell your stuff. If you are a registered company that is. If not you are to be ripped of by Handango and the likes.
On the Energy Savings Widget is an option to switch off background network operations. You did not click that off there when you left your homes Wifi range? Then odiously you have agreed to have software installed over 3G!
Yes, I too would prefer a background network operation over WiFi only option.
I see it happening on TV. Between the logos, the market ticker, the oil gusher cam, and the pop-up ads promoting upcoming shows, all we're left with on TV is a talking head and all you can see of him/her is an eye or nose jiggling about the screen.
This is why I have Pay-TV these days. At least in Germany Pay-TV does not interrupt the feature program with advertising. I think the "new world" you are talking about is again a world divided: Those who have the funds to purchase advertising free products and those who don't.
and put the little paper wasting fucker through the wall.
In my house you won't put a printer to any wall. Most are made of real bricks. And even the few light walls are made plywood tougher then a printer casing.
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Well, it is not SPAM if you agreed to it (by installing the application) and you have a reliable way to opt out again (by de-installing the application).
Still there is one tiny part which would qualify for SPAM: If the application does not specify before downloading that it is subsidized by advertising. I think the current differentiation between gratis is non is not enough.
And how do you know if the App uses advertising for revenue - before downloading? AFAIK there are only two groups (Free and pay) and not three groups (Truly gratis, subsidized and pay).
Martin
I know all that. What I was actually referring to was that most 3rd party applications still need admin rights. And it seems that those Kiosk programmers aren't any better.
And if I wanted an example of well done privilege management I would use VMS and not any of the all on / all off security from unix and it's derivates.
Search for my other postings lower down where I explained my self in more detail.
I actually like to SELL my application and won't sell anything if my customers have to install QT first. All that will happen is that I will be swamped with complains and tell me how-to questions - please step by step. And getting 1 star ratings to boot. It makes me eek only to think about it.
Google did it right: they won't even show applications to those who won't be able to use them.
That won't help if you want to sell application. You can not rely on Qt to be there. Not even for Symbian^1 because many user will never see the firmware upgrade.
Theoretically Windows has all the features needed to protect a Kiosk. You can mount an USB drive read only. You can remove admin rights from the default account so the software read only switch can't be changed. Have you ever looked through the list of privileges you can fine tune any security need between guest user and full admin? Make good old VMS privileges look simple. It is all there. Just no one uses it.
Martin
You need to admin privileges to do that. Ah, wait we talk Windows here...
Fittet all the answer into the heading, what now? Yes, pointing out that the 6 month are only a promise and there is no guarantee that it becomes reality. And maybe a link or two:
http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Symbian%5E4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian_platform#Version_history
Of course it will to late when the Symbian^4 devices finally come out.
So you thing a 3.7" touch screen is small: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_i8910 - interesting. Remember we talk mobile OSs not desktop OS here.
I check it out. Even if it is true it took them a long time to notice that a shop without hobbyist wont't work. But then Nokia was never fast in noticing and rectifying there mistakes.
So now we'll just twist what the term means at will, to include just what we want at a given moment?
Spot on. But note that from a technical point there is always the real time operating system underneath. And a pretty good one. But without good GUI and good phone to show of once abilities it makes no difference.
(A marketing company came up with the name.)
I did not know that but somehow I am not surprised either.
That will be Symbian^4 - and I fear that Symbian^4 will be to late to successfully catch up with iOS or Android.
And some catch you have to do. I developed for Smybian/UIQ and later Symbian/S60E5 and now I develop for Andoid. And it is so much easier. Simpler to set-up, works not only on Windows, has a gratis IDE (eclipse), better Emulator, better on device debugging. logging framework, allows self signed application.
And last not least an application shop which pays a decent cut: http://my.opera.com/HP-45/blog/whats-in-a-price .
Depends. See the Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian
Of corse both Symbian Ltd and Symbian Foundation are mostly owed by Nokia.
with emphasis in "could". Symbian/UIQ was a great offer crippled by low CPU, low memory phones. Symbian/S60 is crippled by being effectively non-tochscreen (S60E5 is just a bodge job). And by the time Symbian^4 comes out it will be "Symbian could have been a great Smartphone OS if only...".
The Wikipedia (disambiguation) page on Symbian might give you an idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbian
I rather think that the lack of games is due to the fact that only registered companies can publish on Ovi.
Martin
For today your are right. But Nokia plans to shift the OS use.
S40 from low/mid the low marked only.
Symbian from mid/high to mid only.
And MoGoo new for high marked only.
I don't think it will work - but that is just me.
Only by the time MeGoo is ready the marked will be carved up between iOS, Android and maybe RIM and only some breadcrumbs will be left for other OS offerings.
And once you are through all that you have Ovi to sell your stuff. If you are a registered company that is. If not you are to be ripped of by Handango and the likes.
Disaster upon disaster.
Martin
On the Energy Savings Widget is an option to switch off background network operations. You did not click that off there when you left your homes Wifi range? Then odiously you have agreed to have software installed over 3G!
Yes, I too would prefer a background network operation over WiFi only option.
force DEV's to pay $99 year just for free apps
This is one thing I never understood: If I have to pay $99 a year - why would I give my app away fro free. Wy would I not try to recoup the $99.?
I see it happening on TV. Between the logos, the market ticker, the oil gusher cam, and the pop-up ads promoting upcoming shows, all we're left with on TV is a talking head and all you can see of him/her is an eye or nose jiggling about the screen.
This is why I have Pay-TV these days. At least in Germany Pay-TV does not interrupt the feature program with advertising. I think the "new world" you are talking about is again a world divided: Those who have the funds to purchase advertising free products and those who don't.
This is not what worries me. What worries me is that some hacker finds a way to exploit the system to send SPAM.
I am not worried about the official opt-in ads. Nor is the OP. I am worried that somone hacks the system and sends inofficial SPAM.
and put the little paper wasting fucker through the wall.
In my house you won't put a printer to any wall. Most are made of real bricks. And even the few light walls are made plywood tougher then a printer casing.