Actually i wanted to make a snippy quick answer like “Sure it is not theft, it is " But then I discovered that there is no english translation for zechprellerei. Only the unwieldy explanation “Dine and dash" - which is a form of fraught.
But then it explains it all. If you anglicans are missing a word for it you probably also miss a feeling of guild when taking something without paying.
And you did take something away from me: The time I spend to develop the application. Which reminds me: How would you feel if your boss told you at the end of the month that he won't be paying your salary? Would you then think:
a) “It's Ok, It is not stealing as I never had the money in the first place”. b) “That bl**dy thieving bastard stolen a month worth of my hard work.”
And as i pointed out already, distributing your code under an open license makes it easy for you to reuse other code available under the same or similar terms, so you may find that most of what you want to write already exists and you just need to add to it.
Free has a double meaning. For example I charge a fee for the binary copies of my open source software. That is entirely legal under the GPL. Actually it is even encouraged. My suggestion is to use the word gratis for free of charge.
Surely the software is free, support costs model should be preferable to virtually everyone on slashdot... A site populated by people who are generally clued up enough to not need support services means we don't really need to pay for anything.
But it would not be preferable to me. But I call your bluff, go ahead suggest a viable support cost model for my products:
here are plenty of people who are willing to develop software for free.
Only those who have a payed day time job making software which is not gratis. Or live of unemployment benefit. It that what you want: A world where all software is made by those being “in between” jobs?
Yes, I liked Symbian/UIQ a lot. No, if you think you can win go for it. Partly. Yes, it is only Symbian^3. NOKIA next chance is Symbian^4. I tell people not to use Symbian until Symbian^4. S^3 won't be on sale for 2 years. It will be replaces by S^4 in six month. You can get my Android Apps via 3rd party shops as well. They sell badly there as well.
I think it was a big mistake that Google did not offer Marketplace world wide and it served to teach users in non marketplace countries how to pirate software. As opposed to just using a different shop. This will be a long term problem for Android software developers.
Actually I have two applications out there. Both are available for Android and Symbian. In one day I sell about as many Android applications then I sell for Symbian in a month.
Which too explain why NOKIA need to bait developers with some price money.
Do I troll sony-ericsson threads? Yes! Why? Because I once owned a P900i and P990in phone. Symbian OS and Sony-Ericsson made. The former absolutely great the later a complete disaster.
No one will hate you more then a disgruntled former fanboy.
And just to clarify: I still like Symbian - I don't like what NOKIA and Sony-Ericsson have made from it. And speaking of it: I don't like the Android phones Sony-Ericsson came up with either. I have a Nexus-One these days.
NOKIA knows all about peeing in your pants to stay warm because that is precisely what they do right now: They pee there pants with Symbian^3 to keep all warm until Symbian^4 and MeeGo is ready for shipment. Only those two have the real improvements. And developers know that. That is why NOKIA needs to “pay” developers to develop for an obsolete before shipment stop gap technology.
The difference is: They have dry pants to change into next year. And next year this time we will know if they had their dry pants ready before their pee has frozen solid.
Checked on Wikipedia and there only “UI improvements” are mentioned. There was not even a name or version mentioned for the new GUI you spoke of.
This explains why NOKIA has to pay developers. Why else should I develop for a nameless GUI with a use by date of Spring 2011 when the true new Qt GUI will be released for Symbian^4.
Symbian^3 is just a stop gap product, obsolete even before the first device was produced for it.
Symbian as a real time operating system is far better suited for a mobile phone then Linux.
I guess there is a lot of confusion so lets clarify a little:
1) Kernel: Symbian Linux Mach 2) GUI: S60 Android Quartz 3) Company: NOKIA Google Apple 4) Marketing Name: Symbian Android iOS
As far as I see it in the first layer Symbian is the best options. However in the 2nd layer S60 is the worse option. In layer 3 NOKIA does ok in Europe but is almost unheard of in the USA. And in layer 4 Symbian does not do well either.
Interestingly most Apple users don't even know the name of the technology used. It is just iOS for them. Maybe NOKIA should invent a new cool marketing name.
I have the choice of exactly one cable provider. And yes, I have to subscribe to Cable-TV to get internet access. The base package everybody need to subscribe.
Living at the end of the street my Telephone company will sell me a 5000 subscription - but tell me upfront that maximum I can expect is 4000. No discount for that. Take it or leave it.
ISP? They will sell my a 5000 subscription but without telling me that I only get 4000.
So where exactly is my choice? All you arguments are theory and of no practical use.
Maybe because the USA has a history of invading or threatening to invade countries which do not follow their idea of free and fair trade. I wanted to quote the Wikipedia Article on “Convention of Kanagawa” - but the english version is missing the part that Japan was forced into the treaty. Unlike the German version which clearly states “um die Öffnung der japanischen Häfen Shimoda und Hakodate für den Handel mit den USA zu erzwingen”.
The advertising is initiated by the applications not the OS. The OS only provides the service. Buy for proper applications instead off pseudo-free applications and you would be save.
I have no idea if in this safe mode it's easy to install the authorized software.
It's as easy as copying a file called update.zip onto the sd-card and then reboot. But you probably need a specialized equipment called an sd-card reader;-) .
Every application for every platform? iOS, Android, WIndows, OSX, Linux, etc...? That would require legislation.
Yes on both accounts. But "Shop legislation" is enough. User then can decide if they like to shop with a shop with more detailed informations or not.
Which of course means that it will never happen for iPhone.
And for me it is important as I live in a country where there is no flat rate data plan. That means I have to pay for mobile advertising to be delivered to me.
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Actually i wanted to make a snippy quick answer like “Sure it is not theft, it is " But then I discovered that there is no english translation for zechprellerei. Only the unwieldy explanation “Dine and dash" - which is a form of fraught.
But then it explains it all. If you anglicans are missing a word for it you probably also miss a feeling of guild when taking something without paying.
And you did take something away from me: The time I spend to develop the application. Which reminds me: How would you feel if your boss told you at the end of the month that he won't be paying your salary? Would you then think:
a) “It's Ok, It is not stealing as I never had the money in the first place”.
b) “That bl**dy thieving bastard stolen a month worth of my hard work.”
Martin
And as i pointed out already, distributing your code under an open license makes it easy for you to reuse other code available under the same or similar terms, so you may find that most of what you want to write already exists and you just need to add to it.
Free has a double meaning. For example I charge a fee for the binary copies of my open source software. That is entirely legal under the GPL. Actually it is even encouraged. My suggestion is to use the word gratis for free of charge.
Surely the software is free, support costs model should be preferable to virtually everyone on slashdot... A site populated by people who are generally clued up enough to not need support services means we don't really need to pay for anything.
But it would not be preferable to me. But I call your bluff, go ahead suggest a viable support cost model for my products:
http://fx-602p.krischik.com/index.php/FX-602P/Price
http://fx-602p.krischik.com/index.php/HP-45/Price
Martin
will then download the hacked, ad-free version.
No need - just install an ad-blocker.
Martin
here are plenty of people who are willing to develop software for free.
Only those who have a payed day time job making software which is not gratis. Or live of unemployment benefit. It that what you want: A world where all software is made by those being “in between” jobs?
Martin
I sell international (including alternative Android markets). I think the difference is:
a) Convenience of the Android Market App.
The sales on alternative Android markets are even worse then the Symbian sales.
b) The amount of phones actually used as smart phones.
Many Symbian smart phones are bought as feature phones and the users never ever buy any apps for them.
But this is all guess work.
Lets try to answer you question.
Yes, I liked Symbian/UIQ a lot.
No, if you think you can win go for it.
Partly.
Yes, it is only Symbian^3.
NOKIA next chance is Symbian^4.
I tell people not to use Symbian until Symbian^4.
S^3 won't be on sale for 2 years. It will be replaces by S^4 in six month.
You can get my Android Apps via 3rd party shops as well. They sell badly there as well.
I think it was a big mistake that Google did not offer Marketplace world wide and it served to teach users in non marketplace countries how to pirate software. As opposed to just using a different shop. This will be a long term problem for Android software developers.
Actually I have two applications out there. Both are available for Android and Symbian. In one day I sell about as many Android applications then I sell for Symbian in a month.
Which too explain why NOKIA need to bait developers with some price money.
Do I troll sony-ericsson threads? Yes! Why? Because I once owned a P900i and P990in phone. Symbian OS and Sony-Ericsson made. The former absolutely great the later a complete disaster.
No one will hate you more then a disgruntled former fanboy.
And just to clarify: I still like Symbian - I don't like what NOKIA and Sony-Ericsson have made from it. And speaking of it: I don't like the Android phones Sony-Ericsson came up with either. I have a Nexus-One these days.
NOKIA knows all about peeing in your pants to stay warm because that is precisely what they do right now: They pee there pants with Symbian^3 to keep all warm until Symbian^4 and MeeGo is ready for shipment. Only those two have the real improvements. And developers know that. That is why NOKIA needs to “pay” developers to develop for an obsolete before shipment stop gap technology.
The difference is: They have dry pants to change into next year. And next year this time we will know if they had their dry pants ready before their pee has frozen solid.
Checked on Wikipedia and there only “UI improvements” are mentioned. There was not even a name or version mentioned for the new GUI you spoke of.
This explains why NOKIA has to pay developers. Why else should I develop for a nameless GUI with a use by date of Spring 2011 when the true new Qt GUI will be released for Symbian^4.
Symbian^3 is just a stop gap product, obsolete even before the first device was produced for it.
Symbian as a real time operating system is far better suited for a mobile phone then Linux.
I guess there is a lot of confusion so lets clarify a little:
1) Kernel: Symbian Linux Mach
2) GUI: S60 Android Quartz
3) Company: NOKIA Google Apple
4) Marketing Name: Symbian Android iOS
As far as I see it in the first layer Symbian is the best options. However in the 2nd layer S60 is the worse option. In layer 3 NOKIA does ok in Europe but is almost unheard of in the USA. And in layer 4 Symbian does not do well either.
Interestingly most Apple users don't even know the name of the technology used. It is just iOS for them. Maybe NOKIA should invent a new cool marketing name.
I have the choice of exactly one cable provider. And yes, I have to subscribe to Cable-TV to get internet access. The base package everybody need to subscribe.
Living at the end of the street my Telephone company will sell me a 5000 subscription - but tell me upfront that maximum I can expect is 4000. No discount for that. Take it or leave it.
ISP? They will sell my a 5000 subscription but without telling me that I only get 4000.
So where exactly is my choice? All you arguments are theory and of no practical use.
Maybe because the USA has a history of invading or threatening to invade countries which do not follow their idea of free and fair trade. I wanted to quote the Wikipedia Article on “Convention of Kanagawa” - but the english version is missing the part that Japan was forced into the treaty. Unlike the German version which clearly states “um die Öffnung der japanischen Häfen Shimoda und Hakodate für den Handel mit den USA zu erzwingen”.
Right. The OS is the same Mach Microkernel with BSD on top. Just the user interface is different and the BSD toolchain a "little" scaled down.
Indeed.
Well, this looks like USA only products. Paypal services are world wide.
For the one travelling it is not 500 years. Thanks to time dilation the traveller will experience a far shorter travel time himself.
The advertising is initiated by so called "free" applications you might install in addition to the device you payed for.
The advertising is initiated by the applications not the OS. The OS only provides the service. Buy for proper applications instead off pseudo-free applications and you would be save.
I have no idea if in this safe mode it's easy to install the authorized software.
It's as easy as copying a file called update.zip onto the sd-card and then reboot. But you probably need a specialized equipment called an sd-card reader ;-) .
The provider. And least from what I read you can't buy just a phone in the USA.
Every application for every platform? iOS, Android, WIndows, OSX, Linux, etc...? That would require legislation.
Yes on both accounts. But "Shop legislation" is enough. User then can decide if they like to shop with a shop with more detailed informations or not.
Which of course means that it will never happen for iPhone.
And for me it is important as I live in a country where there is no flat rate data plan. That means I have to pay for mobile advertising to be delivered to me.
Martin
That is what I said: Currently you don't. I think the developer should be made to declare it.
I am to paranoid for those online office stuff.
RevMobile does not actually support Android:
iPhone & iPad Windows Mobile Maemo
Their code is probably C or C++ and they never heard of the Android NDK.
Switzerland explicitly allows DRM breaking since 2007.