Do I get to sue people who use my public web pages? Odd. I thought once you placed them in the public that the spider was out of the bag, but that might be a webism.
This is a security hole that Microsoft knew about, so why the bug icon. It's a design flaw. Most people who read Slashdot, use the little icons to gague what stories they wish to read. I may be completely wrong, but this should have the Mircosoft icon, or maybe an MS Outlook icon if Slashdot has one.:)
Well that was the cheapest two cents on the block.
Closed Operating Systems have many of these, hope the public never finds them, security holes.
What I really wonder about is, is using a closed OS like Windows considered reasonable security under the law. If I were to leave the doors unopened to my car the law would car little for my stole property, unless I went to a reasonable effort to secure my car. People who "lock" away data without all the information, or worse yet, without even asking for all the information, are they somewhat to blame. In the USA, it's a buyer be ware market. The buyer has, in this case, purchased a product wich they were less than informed about.
I don't see as Microsoft has to do anything about this. The only reason to issue any patch is to save the customer base. But are they in any way required to release a patch?
Well in any case, you get what you ask for more often then what you pay for it seems. If Microsoft was well aware of these latest security holes (it would seem they would have to be), who is to blame for the damaged product? Microsoft or the consumer who failed to understand just what they were paying for?
-- James Dornan AKA TigerSmile "Long live the PORK!"
I'd like to thank all the ones who support the idea of open standards. I assume that we've all seen how much they have changed the world with, DNS, TCP/IP, HTTP, SSL, SMTP, POP, IMAP, and much much more.
Open source and standards have help many many companies. Microsoft is one of them. Thanks to all the commonly used Internet standards, every house is going to be rigged with a PC. Such a need did not exist before. As far as I see it MS has nearly doubled in size thanks to open standards.
I'd like the Microsoft employees who enjoy the Internet and those who work on open stanards, that I am thankful.
I know it can be embarassing to work for a company which might be thankless and bite the hand that feeds right after meal time. I see past the massive greed engine, and see the hard working employees, as I'm sure others do. You are just like us. You didn't do anything. Don't worry most people can tell the difference between you and your boss.
Personally, if my boss did that I'd try to change his or her mind. I'd help them understand. If they did not want to, or worse yet, understood and did not care...well I'd start looking around. I can understand quite well if others don't quit over these things though. People have childern, house payments, and so on.
Good luck to all who are fighing Micrsoft on this, after all open standards are a major source of MS bread and butter.
Ok, imagine Metalica wins, and has the right to spy on us. Metalica == Big Brother, most likely. What then?
I seem to remember that Metalica's music causes people to kill, and do other acts of evil. I think that we should all remember that we can all work that spectre if needs be.:)
Opinion's in PDF and WordPerfect format are hard for some of us to come up with. Could someone code a quick way for us to (Slashdot Readers) to make our opinion known via a simple web form?
I can help with the coding, if we can get a server going. Mine would die under the load, it's a P100.:(
It costs piles of cash for these joker to jerk abound the recording companies with their fear talk, so how can I cash in on it?
We've all taken the wrong angle on this. We need to find a way to be part of the problem. We can make a little cash, or alot if we can scare them more and more each year.
We'll spend days working on a solution to their problem and nights producing a crack for it.
If it can't be explained in a half sheet of paper at 16 point size, it's gonna bomb. People often have to read VCR instructions 30 times to figure them out.
DVD Media players should play any DVD. No Audio vs Video. No regional encoding. No encryption. Video tape seems to be working, burnable CDs are working. Why, would anyone want to fuck with a good cash flow.
The peolpe adding all this politicing to DVD are going to make it as popular are an 8 track tape player jukebox, or a minidisk changer car sterio.
What are they trying to do, bring DIVX back from the dead as our only hope? That is what will happen if the ball is dropped 100 more times.
You all know this. It's fine that we all talk on/. the way we do, but please to flame the small ISPs. They are the ones who still have a spine.
I used to own and run an ISP and I have to take my lumps to protect many-a-user. People didn't like what they had to say, for a nunber of reasons. I stuck to my guns. It took all my time to deal with issues like that (that and Pacific Bells continuous billing errors).
So, if you have just come home after a night of drinking, or what not. Yell, rant, go wild here and not to the inbox of some poor guy trying to stay afloat.
The crypto thing is odd. All it does is punish the citizens, and allow them to know the government will stop at nothing to know all about their private lives.
People have most of the rights, and the government few, but that is something we have forgetten. It also seems the phrase 'We the People' is out the window.
I know that many of us share a common opinion about freedom and what government should not be doing. What I want to know is what are we going to do to make it known to the public?
How can we broadcast what they are doing to the world?
How can we boil the information down, so that the common american can understand it.
Oh, and who has the time and balls to do something about it?
...that I really really hate. I don't want to pay people to spy on us. Let banks do their own security. Feds, let us our lives, and leave us alone. We've done nothing wrong.
The FBI has reasonable rules concerning cars, and homes. Why not computers. I might be wrong about this. In any case it's unreasonable to keep a computer for vary long. It's a simple matter to copy the information off. We are, after all, in the digital age.
But then again, ever try reading the Constitution to a cop?
Then OSS can suffer like all those who shake Bill's smarmy claw. I'm sure someone will try, all the time thinking "History be damned, this time I'll fool Bill, he's not that good at screwing people over." I just hope that it's not somebody from the Linux ranks.
So, M$ publishes it's protocol. That just means that the trap has been set and this is a press release for the bait. The OSS world should just yawn.
Now that I think about it I was downloading all kinds of digital sounds file to my Tadpole, to showoff to all my DOS using friends. It was extremely portable.
Back when I worked supporting an all Sun based company I used a set of programs called radio/broadcast to play music to the workstations. I would use workman to play a CD from the CD-ROM, which was wired to the audio in port of the back of the Sun.
I had quite a bit of fun being the company DJ. I even hooked up a radio so people could get up-to-the-minute news reports.
On weekends I would play music loudly through all desktop machines. This helped me locate all working desktop Suns, and It was damned fun.
I later moved to converting entire CDs to.au files on Sony MO disks. We had a MO jukebox, which I used as a jukebox.:)
So. This has been done before, long ago. These people are completely fooling themselfs.
Does anyone have an old copy of radio/broadcast? I might have it on an old 8mm if they live that long. Please email me if it's needed to stop these fools.
Free people are a pain in the ass. We therefore require the ability to spy on them, remove privacy, and use fear. This will make the US a safer place for chuldern. Is that not what counts. Now, get wise, and give up one more freedom for safity. After all property values will go up, and is that not what counts?
What does an honest person truely have to hide? Trust us. Everyone here at the FBI are good and honest. We work for the most honest people in the world, your elected officails in DC. What could go wrong if we keep a file on all of you.
Frankly this freedom idea is great for talk at coffee houses, but in reality it's not what you want. It's an idea, that's all. We control you. Can't you see the armed guards...I mean police? If we trusted you to judge us and have control, we'd let you have the same arms as us and live on an even playing field. That didn't work out. We took control years ago.
I am running Linux on MediaOne and it works great. I got black listed by them for months after I told them I had a Sun machine. When ever I would call back the would ask for my phone number, pull up a call log, and say we cannot offer you service. I told them many times I had gotten a non-*nix computer. They didn't listen, until I called and asked to speak to a manager.
I did speak to the sales rep, the installer, and the maker of their equipment(LanCity). They all said Linux was fine. The LanCity people said they love Linux and many people there use it for testing and as a desktop OS.
So, when I got off the black list. I called and asked for service. I told them a lie. I said I had a 1000Mhz G3 Mac with 12GB of RAM. That will cause a few problems with their marketing reports.
When the installer showed up I told him I wouldn't let him touch my machine no matter what OS was on it. He said it was cool. He just needed to know my MAC address. They put the box in and things worked fine. I let him know from the first second he walking in that I was using Linux. He said "Cool I run that at home also."
So the leason is: Large corps are run and managed completely inert fools. Where is the surprise?
Now get thee hence and start you own Linux friendly ISPs. We are the network smart people, are we not? I started a Linux friendly ISP, so I've done my part, now it's up to you.
This is America, don't break the law, and get found guilty or there might be a slight problem.
Clearly Microsoft make some nice products, which is not the problem, they engaged in bad practices.
The line was drawn many times in the sand and they crossed it far too often. They have no room to cry about anything. You have even less room to cry for them.
When I was thinking of ordering service I didn't know much about cable modems. The type used by MediaOne is Lan City. I called them and asked about Linux. They told me that's what they had been testing with. I then called the Engineer who would preform the install at my house. He claimed it was fine. I then called the tech support people who also said it was fine, if it had DHCP, cause most tech support calls were about network problems. If was only when I called to place the order that I had a problem. The sales person/order taker claimed that the form they used on the computer did not have a checkbox for Linux, only Windows, NT, and Mac. She was also majorly dumb, so I called again hoping to get a nice person. I did, but she said that they could not install, due to the fact that someone had called from my number asking for service for a Linux box. I told her it was me, and that I was feeling much better now. I lied and told the nice lady I just purchased a G3 1000Mhz Mac with 1TB of RAM and 15TB of disk space, which she quickly typed into the market research database.
When the people came to do the install I told them not to ever touch me PC. They looked at each other, then one said "Linux?" I smile and said "Yup." The other guy said "Damn Straight!" We talked Linux and they installed everything.
Wow, you are the blessed one! In West LA we've had weekly outages lasting hours on end. I was on (speaker phone) hold for over three hours. Their routing always goes down. Right now I'm holding my breath with two weeks of uptime.
Routes are also a big problem for M1's crack team of 14 yr old network people. 26% of all packets get dropped when pinging most locations on the internet. I don't have to tell you what this does for an ssh session.
I guess if I had phone service from them I'd be on hold less iften:).
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Do I get to sue people who use my public web pages? Odd. I thought once you placed them in the public that the spider was out of the bag, but that might be a webism.
This is a security hole that Microsoft knew about, so why the bug icon. It's a design flaw. Most people who read Slashdot, use the little icons to gague what stories they wish to read. I may be completely wrong, but this should have the Mircosoft icon, or maybe an MS Outlook icon if Slashdot has one.
Well that was the cheapest two cents on the block.
-- James Dornan AKA TigerSmile
Closed Operating Systems have many of these, hope the public never finds them, security holes.
What I really wonder about is, is using a closed OS like Windows considered reasonable security under the law. If I were to leave the doors unopened to my car the law would car little for my stole property, unless I went to a reasonable effort to secure my car. People who "lock" away data without all the information, or worse yet, without even asking for all the information, are they somewhat to blame. In the USA, it's a buyer be ware market. The buyer has, in this case, purchased a product wich they were less than informed about.
I don't see as Microsoft has to do anything about this. The only reason to issue any patch is to save the customer base. But are they in any way required to release a patch?
Well in any case, you get what you ask for more often then what you pay for it seems. If Microsoft was well aware of these latest security holes (it would seem they would have to be), who is to blame for the damaged product? Microsoft or the consumer who failed to understand just what they were paying for?
-- James Dornan AKA TigerSmile "Long live the PORK!"
I'd like to thank all the ones who support the idea of open standards. I assume that we've all seen how much they have changed the world with, DNS, TCP/IP, HTTP, SSL, SMTP, POP, IMAP, and much much more.
Open source and standards have help many many companies. Microsoft is one of them. Thanks to all the commonly used Internet standards, every house is going to be rigged with a PC. Such a need did not exist before. As far as I see it MS has nearly doubled in size thanks to open standards.
I'd like the Microsoft employees who enjoy the Internet and those who work on open stanards, that I am thankful.
I know it can be embarassing to work for a company which might be thankless and bite the hand that feeds right after meal time. I see past the massive greed engine, and see the hard working employees, as I'm sure others do. You are just like us. You didn't do anything. Don't worry most people can tell the difference between you and your boss.
Personally, if my boss did that I'd try to change his or her mind. I'd help them understand. If they did not want to, or worse yet, understood and did not care...well I'd start looking around. I can understand quite well if others don't quit over these things though. People have childern, house payments, and so on.
Good luck to all who are fighing Micrsoft on this, after all open standards are a major source of MS bread and butter.
-- James Dornan AKA TigerSmile
Between US and DMCA law, I choose US law.
Where is DMCA on the globe? It seems to be really close to Hitler and Naziville.
-- TigerSmile
Ok, imagine Metalica wins, and has the right to spy on us. Metalica == Big Brother, most likely. What then?
I seem to remember that Metalica's music causes people to kill, and do other acts of evil. I think that we should all remember that we can all work that spectre if needs be.
-- James
Opinion's in PDF and WordPerfect format are hard for some of us to come up with. Could someone code a quick way for us to (Slashdot Readers) to make our opinion known via a simple web form?
I can help with the coding, if we can get a server going. Mine would die under the load, it's a P100.
-- Smile
It costs piles of cash for these joker to jerk abound the recording companies with their fear talk, so how can I cash in on it?
We've all taken the wrong angle on this. We need to find a way to be part of the problem. We can make a little cash, or alot if we can scare them more and more each year.
We'll spend days working on a solution to their problem and nights producing a crack for it.
-- Smile
If it can't be explained in a half sheet of paper at 16 point size, it's gonna bomb. People often have to read VCR instructions 30 times to figure them out.
DVD Media players should play any DVD. No Audio vs Video. No regional encoding. No encryption. Video tape seems to be working, burnable CDs are working. Why, would anyone want to fuck with a good cash flow.
The peolpe adding all this politicing to DVD are going to make it as popular are an 8 track tape player jukebox, or a minidisk changer car sterio.
What are they trying to do, bring DIVX back from the dead as our only hope? That is what will happen if the ball is dropped 100 more times.
-- Smile
You all know this. It's fine that we all talk on
I used to own and run an ISP and I have to take my lumps to protect many-a-user. People didn't like what they had to say, for a nunber of reasons. I stuck to my guns. It took all my time to deal with issues like that (that and Pacific Bells continuous billing errors).
So, if you have just come home after a night of drinking, or what not. Yell, rant, go wild here and not to the inbox of some poor guy trying to stay afloat.
-- Smile
The crypto thing is odd. All it does is punish the citizens, and allow them to know the government will stop at nothing to know all about their private lives.
People have most of the rights, and the government few, but that is something we have forgetten. It also seems the phrase 'We the People' is out the window.
I know that many of us share a common opinion about freedom and what government should not be doing. What I want to know is what are we going to do to make it known to the public?
How can we broadcast what they are doing to the world?
How can we boil the information down, so that the common american can understand it.
Oh, and who has the time and balls to do something about it?
-- Smile
...that I really really hate. I don't want to pay people to spy on us. Let banks do their own security. Feds, let us our lives, and leave us alone. We've done nothing wrong.
-- James
NCR == Teradata
Teradata is used to run Amazon.com's web site, Wall Mart's inventory database, and many others including the CIA.
They seem to file a new patent on a daily bases. Random poorly worded patents can be good income.
Some people would pay for anything that users and admins can't fuck up too much.
The FBI has reasonable rules concerning cars, and homes. Why not computers. I might be wrong about this. In any case it's unreasonable to keep a computer for vary long. It's a simple matter to copy the information off. We are, after all, in the digital age.
But then again, ever try reading the Constitution to a cop?
Then OSS can suffer like all those who shake Bill's smarmy claw. I'm sure someone will try, all the time thinking "History be damned, this time I'll fool Bill, he's not that good at screwing people over." I just hope that it's not somebody from the Linux ranks.
So, M$ publishes it's protocol. That just means that the trap has been set and this is a press release for the bait. The OSS world should just yawn.
-- James
...there reads a message. By having opened this box you legally agree to give me all your money.
Somehow it's not legally binding. Anyone with legal know-how(US or other law) care to explain to the class why?
-- James
In fact some were portable. They are were from a company called Tadpole. They still make portable SPARC machines.
See http://www.tadpole.com
Any more questions?
Now that I think about it I was downloading all kinds of digital sounds file to my Tadpole, to showoff to all my DOS using friends. It was extremely portable.
-- James
Back when I worked supporting an all Sun based company I used a set of programs called radio/broadcast to play music to the workstations. I would use workman to play a CD from the CD-ROM, which was wired to the audio in port of the back of the Sun.
I had quite a bit of fun being the company DJ. I even hooked up a radio so people could get up-to-the-minute news reports.
On weekends I would play music loudly through all desktop machines. This helped me locate all working desktop Suns, and It was damned fun.
I later moved to converting entire CDs to
So. This has been done before, long ago. These people are completely fooling themselfs.
Does anyone have an old copy of radio/broadcast? I might have it on an old 8mm if they live that long. Please email me if it's needed to stop these fools.
-- James
Free people are a pain in the ass. We therefore require the ability to spy on them, remove privacy, and use fear. This will make the US a safer place for chuldern. Is that not what counts. Now, get wise, and give up one more freedom for safity. After all property values will go up, and is that not what counts?
What does an honest person truely have to hide? Trust us. Everyone here at the FBI are good and honest. We work for the most honest people in the world, your elected officails in DC. What could go wrong if we keep a file on all of you.
Frankly this freedom idea is great for talk at coffee houses, but in reality it's not what you want. It's an idea, that's all. We control you. Can't you see the armed guards...I mean police? If we trusted you to judge us and have control, we'd let you have the same arms as us and live on an even playing field. That didn't work out. We took control years ago.
Please just give up. We're here to stay.
Have a nice day.
I am running Linux on MediaOne and it works great. I got black listed by them for months after I told them I had a Sun machine. When ever I would call back the would ask for my phone number, pull up a call log, and say we cannot offer you service. I told them many times I had gotten a non-*nix computer. They didn't listen, until I called and asked to speak to a manager.
I did speak to the sales rep, the installer, and the maker of their equipment(LanCity). They all said Linux was fine. The LanCity people said they love Linux and many people there use it for testing and as a desktop OS.
So, when I got off the black list. I called and asked for service. I told them a lie. I said I had a 1000Mhz G3 Mac with 12GB of RAM. That will cause a few problems with their marketing reports.
When the installer showed up I told him I wouldn't let him touch my machine no matter what OS was on it. He said it was cool. He just needed to know my MAC address. They put the box in and things worked fine. I let him know from the first second he walking in that I was using Linux. He said "Cool I run that at home also."
So the leason is: Large corps are run and managed completely inert fools. Where is the surprise?
Now get thee hence and start you own Linux friendly ISPs. We are the network smart people, are we not? I started a Linux friendly ISP, so I've done my part, now it's up to you.
-- James Dornan
This is America, don't break the law, and get found guilty or there might be a slight problem.
Clearly Microsoft make some nice products, which is not the problem, they engaged in bad practices.
The line was drawn many times in the sand and they crossed it far too often. They have no room to cry about anything. You have even less room to cry for them.
When I was thinking of ordering service I didn't know much about cable modems. The type used by MediaOne is Lan City. I called them and asked about Linux. They told me that's what they had been testing with. I then called the Engineer who would preform the install at my house. He claimed it was fine. I then called the tech support people who also said it was fine, if it had DHCP, cause most tech support calls were about network problems. If was only when I called to place the order that I had a problem. The sales person/order taker claimed that the form they used on the computer did not have a checkbox for Linux, only Windows, NT, and Mac. She was also majorly dumb, so I called again hoping to get a nice person. I did, but she said that they could not install, due to the fact that someone had called from my number asking for service for a Linux box. I told her it was me, and that I was feeling much better now. I lied and told the nice lady I just purchased a G3 1000Mhz Mac with 1TB of RAM and 15TB of disk space, which she quickly typed into the market research database.
When the people came to do the install I told them not to ever touch me PC. They looked at each other, then one said "Linux?" I smile and said "Yup." The other guy said "Damn Straight!" We talked Linux and they installed everything.
God save us from the willfully bumb.
Wow, you are the blessed one! In West LA we've had weekly outages lasting hours on end. I was on (speaker phone) hold for over three hours. Their routing always goes down. Right now I'm holding my breath with two weeks of uptime.
:).
Routes are also a big problem for M1's crack team of 14 yr old network people. 26% of all packets get dropped when pinging most locations on the internet. I don't have to tell you what this does for an ssh session.
I guess if I had phone service from them I'd be on hold less iften