The point being, the actual act of killing the human isn't what is debated. What is debated is whether its wrong to kill the human.
No, you did not correctly label the argument, you presented your view, which (if I understand how arguments work) is only part of the whole issue.
Anyway, not trying to steer your thread off topic, I just hate to see you use that example.
Yes, you are; your comment was incorrect, illogical, and inciteful. You disagreed with the GP's rather logical assertion that abortion is a sticky topic, but your wish to disuade them from using abortion as an example was not from lack of strength of argument, but from your differing stance on that topic.
I find it a little odd you're belittling the contrasting viewpoint that didn't even exist in the GP's post.
If you're unaware of how to do something from a design standpoint, you're right that viewing code is not necessarily going to help. This tool, however, works great for more specific issues related to syntax, etc. I've already used this to see examples of ItemTemplate in C#. A simple search on regular google yields examples, but it also returns a lot of crap.
When considering TMTOWTDI, looking at other code similiar to yours can be very helpful, and (for me, at least) can help break out of a code writers block when I've been working with a particular chunk of code for too long.
We do however, have the highest proportion of crammers and caffine addicts.
Lies! First, a real addict would be able to correctly spell caffeine (unless, of course, your shaking hands were unable to type well). Second, how many straight 20 hour blocks have you spent in labs working to get a project done? The engineering (and CS) labs around my campus start to look like LAN parties near finals.
I don't know... I'd almost rather drive over a bridge designed by a student who copied a tried and true design than one who made an original. Heck, I know I've made some pretty neat and original bridge designs, but I wouldn't really trust their safety.
I've had XP installed for little over a year, and it's grown so impossibly bloated, nothing works right anymore, the funniest things happen when you least expect them.
What exactly have you done to it? My main machine has been on the same XP install for close to 2 years and is still stable and runs well. In that time period I've changed video cards, optical drives, added harddisks, installed/uninstalled a large number of games and a fair amount of apps. I've also gone through countless audio and video codecs, updated drivers, and new services.
I have to assume you have at least *some* technical experience given that this is/., but it pains me to do so. Considering you've experienced codecs, uninstallations, and the registry, you either have enough know-how to *fix* your system, or you simply *think* you possess that knowledge (which may be the root of some of your problems with XP).
it's just as bloated a mess as Windows has ever been. And I should know, I've been using it since the early 90's
Did you ever use NT 3.5 or 4.0 at the same time as 3.11 and 95, respectively? Even at that time the NT-based Windows systems were terribly more stable. Being able to reliably network our home PCs with NT 4 was great, and pretty much ended my bluescreen experiences.
First, drug != narcotic, necessarily. Also, alcohol is not always categorized as a narcotic, especially in the realm of addictions (where 'drug' and 'alcohol' addictions are classified differently, even if alcohol is a drug) and the legal system (where narcotics tend to be 'controlled substances,' or everything from heroin to marijuana to cocaine, but not alcohol). IIRC, the technical definition of narcotic means it's a drug in the opiate family.
I own the original as well, and I would agree with you: it works just fine. However, I am a teensy bit jealous of my friends that have Lites; the difference in brightness has tempted me dangerously close to purchasing one.
Like you, I'll probably wait until it breaks (or I decide to put Linux on it) before getting a Lite.
The poster whom I was responding to was indicating that "Java's closed-sourcedness and Microsoft's ECMA standards" preclude them from being viable choices, which is absurd.
Your indication that they (Java and MS's solutions) are viable only because they're used extensively is *also* absurd. Given that I'm a.NET programmer by trade, I certainly don't disagree with your choice of language... but there are other merits in favor of these two systems.
IANAJP (I am not a Java programmer), but given my limited experience with Java and the JVM on different OSes, I understand it's not realistic to assume that all code will work *everywhere*. I really think it depends how much interaction your program is going to be doing with the OS; if you require a lot of system calls or end up interacting with the file system, it's safe to say that your code will not work 'correctly' on another OS. OTOH, if you're taking in and outputting OS-independant data, it's logical to assume that your code *could* be programmed once and run everywhere.
In my case, getting the job done in a way that satisfies our clients and earns us revenue is greater than caring about politics.
"Client satisfaction" and "higher revenue" don't always imply the project was coded well. Now, I'm not suggesting designing decisions should be based on technically ill-informed politics, but the "ends justifying the means" school of thought makes for messy software.
Java's closed-sourceness or.Net's ECMA standards don't prevent them from being used widely to the benefit and profit of many corporations across the globe. Go figure.
...so the "everyone else is doing it" mentality is always a good argument?
I can see why some one like yourself who has problems with english would not like config-in-text-files.
(the correct wording would be "All config-in-text-files are the biggest peices of junk")
If you're going to be a grammar bitch, you probably should've found something else to correct the poster on. It makes more sense that "all config-in-text-files" is a single idea; the plural 'files' portion of that isn't the subject, the whole concept is.
By the way, why would you need a different parser for each config file?
You answered your own question:
It is usually plain text in different formats. Sometimes they are simple, sometimes they add.....XML, etc. It is not rocket science.
Who cares if it's 'easy' to write another simple parser to handle a different config file... the point is it's not universal, and therefore is a pain to manage.
I'm not arguing in favor of the windows registry, but I really don't config files in a hodge-podge of different formats helps anyone.
until they do become available and we have seen the specs let's not assume they won't have expansion slots
...and don't assume they *will* have all the game-friendly features and power that a non-Apple gaming machine has right now. It's great to speculate what power these new Macs will have, but at the present time, Macs are not stellar game machines.
I'll repeat: you felt you needed to legitimize the use of something that was high-end and expensive, most notably in hopes of distancing yourself from a stereotype you think you're better than.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=192306&cid=157 91269
no need to worry that I'm an over-zealous UT fanboy with too much money in his pocket.
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Sure, you didn't care at all, that's why we're talking about this instead of the point I made.
...wait, what point?
MMm hmm. "Oops, he clarified what he said and destroyed my point. I better find something else to chew on!" Sorry man, it's really hard to take that comment seriously. You should find a stronger ground to stand on if you're going to continue to perpetuate this little battle.
Where was the clarification? Was it this?:
The 3D work I did for 'pleasure' landed me a career.
...which works well with what I had already said:
If it's professional, then the issues about 'you buying the ram' don't exist, because either your work bought it, or it was a work expense.
Just replace 'professional' with 'educational' and both 'work's with 'school'.
If you feel I'm not relating to anything you said, then why respond? It doesn't really bother me if I'm off topic (which I am), and I haven't argued against that.
I love how I earned myself a RAM usage audit with this stupid thread. Heh.
Indeed; you felt you needed to legitimize the use of something that was high-end and expensive, most notably in hopes of distancing yourself from a stereotype you think you're better than.
I couldn't care any less how you used your resources; it's your computer. It is annoying when people casually demonstrate their ability to be elitist pricks, though.
This is doubtful. Routers normally don't allow administrative access through the wireless interface.
So every d-link or linksys router I've ever used would fall outside 'normal behavior' for routers? Your average home router is administrated from a web-based interface protected by (usually) fairly basic authentication, always involving an admin account and never (in my experience) by type of connection.
Because it *is* possible to change router settings via wireless, there's always a warning with regards to flashing the router's firmware: not a smart thing to do over a wireless connection.
And just to cut off any further nitpicks to my post, I actually use all that RAM. Maya and Photoshop are both pigs. no need to worry that I'm an over-zealous UT fanboy with too much money in his pocket.
Is your design work professional or for pleasure? If it's professional, then the issues about 'you buying the ram' don't exist, because either your work bought it, or it was a work expense.
If it's for pleasure, then how is that a more valid excuse for purchasing a large amount of ram than playing games?
If you're belittling using a computer as a game machine from a financial standpoint, I'd argue that gaming is hardly the most expensive form of entertainment that exists.
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God, this news is sooo last month.
No, you did not correctly label the argument, you presented your view, which (if I understand how arguments work) is only part of the whole issue.
Yes, you are; your comment was incorrect, illogical, and inciteful. You disagreed with the GP's rather logical assertion that abortion is a sticky topic, but your wish to disuade them from using abortion as an example was not from lack of strength of argument, but from your differing stance on that topic.
I find it a little odd you're belittling the contrasting viewpoint that didn't even exist in the GP's post.
If you're unaware of how to do something from a design standpoint, you're right that viewing code is not necessarily going to help. This tool, however, works great for more specific issues related to syntax, etc. I've already used this to see examples of ItemTemplate in C#. A simple search on regular google yields examples, but it also returns a lot of crap.
When considering TMTOWTDI, looking at other code similiar to yours can be very helpful, and (for me, at least) can help break out of a code writers block when I've been working with a particular chunk of code for too long.
You really shouldn't complain about reduced performance when you somehow managed to break 6 MB of RAM off of your card :P
I don't know... I'd almost rather drive over a bridge designed by a student who copied a tried and true design than one who made an original. Heck, I know I've made some pretty neat and original bridge designs, but I wouldn't really trust their safety.
What exactly have you done to it? My main machine has been on the same XP install for close to 2 years and is still stable and runs well. In that time period I've changed video cards, optical drives, added harddisks, installed/uninstalled a large number of games and a fair amount of apps. I've also gone through countless audio and video codecs, updated drivers, and new services.
I have to assume you have at least *some* technical experience given that this is /., but it pains me to do so. Considering you've experienced codecs, uninstallations, and the registry, you either have enough know-how to *fix* your system, or you simply *think* you possess that knowledge (which may be the root of some of your problems with XP).
Did you ever use NT 3.5 or 4.0 at the same time as 3.11 and 95, respectively? Even at that time the NT-based Windows systems were terribly more stable. Being able to reliably network our home PCs with NT 4 was great, and pretty much ended my bluescreen experiences.
First, drug != narcotic, necessarily. Also, alcohol is not always categorized as a narcotic, especially in the realm of addictions (where 'drug' and 'alcohol' addictions are classified differently, even if alcohol is a drug) and the legal system (where narcotics tend to be 'controlled substances,' or everything from heroin to marijuana to cocaine, but not alcohol). IIRC, the technical definition of narcotic means it's a drug in the opiate family.
Really?
http://www.ncpgambling.org/
http://saa-recovery.org/
http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/
http://www.olganon.org/
Maybe you should look up the definition of addiction... addiction to non-narcotics (or, more specifically, non-subtances) is very real.
I own the original as well, and I would agree with you: it works just fine. However, I am a teensy bit jealous of my friends that have Lites; the difference in brightness has tempted me dangerously close to purchasing one.
Like you, I'll probably wait until it breaks (or I decide to put Linux on it) before getting a Lite.
Your indication that they (Java and MS's solutions) are viable only because they're used extensively is *also* absurd. Given that I'm a .NET programmer by trade, I certainly don't disagree with your choice of language... but there are other merits in favor of these two systems.
IANAJP (I am not a Java programmer), but given my limited experience with Java and the JVM on different OSes, I understand it's not realistic to assume that all code will work *everywhere*. I really think it depends how much interaction your program is going to be doing with the OS; if you require a lot of system calls or end up interacting with the file system, it's safe to say that your code will not work 'correctly' on another OS. OTOH, if you're taking in and outputting OS-independant data, it's logical to assume that your code *could* be programmed once and run everywhere.
"Client satisfaction" and "higher revenue" don't always imply the project was coded well. Now, I'm not suggesting designing decisions should be based on technically ill-informed politics, but the "ends justifying the means" school of thought makes for messy software.
...so the "everyone else is doing it" mentality is always a good argument?
If you're going to be a grammar bitch, you probably should've found something else to correct the poster on. It makes more sense that "all config-in-text-files" is a single idea; the plural 'files' portion of that isn't the subject, the whole concept is.
You answered your own question:
Who cares if it's 'easy' to write another simple parser to handle a different config file... the point is it's not universal, and therefore is a pain to manage.
I'm not arguing in favor of the windows registry, but I really don't config files in a hodge-podge of different formats helps anyone.
I believe Stephen Hawking has answered this question by asking "What's north of the North Pole?" which helped a lot for my own understanding.
...and here I thought Michigan was in Canada.
Like a suburb of Saskatewan, right?
...and don't assume they *will* have all the game-friendly features and power that a non-Apple gaming machine has right now. It's great to speculate what power these new Macs will have, but at the present time, Macs are not stellar game machines.
In the alternate universe, there exists an office furniture utopia where chairs are safe from being thrown...
...test?
Isn't that more like 'the secret handshake?'
I'll repeat: you felt you needed to legitimize the use of something that was high-end and expensive, most notably in hopes of distancing yourself from a stereotype you think you're better than. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=192306&cid=157 91269
--...wait, what point?
Where was the clarification? Was it this?:
Just replace 'professional' with 'educational' and both 'work's with 'school'.
If you feel I'm not relating to anything you said, then why respond? It doesn't really bother me if I'm off topic (which I am), and I haven't argued against that.
Indeed; you felt you needed to legitimize the use of something that was high-end and expensive, most notably in hopes of distancing yourself from a stereotype you think you're better than.
I couldn't care any less how you used your resources; it's your computer. It is annoying when people casually demonstrate their ability to be elitist pricks, though.
So every d-link or linksys router I've ever used would fall outside 'normal behavior' for routers? Your average home router is administrated from a web-based interface protected by (usually) fairly basic authentication, always involving an admin account and never (in my experience) by type of connection.
Because it *is* possible to change router settings via wireless, there's always a warning with regards to flashing the router's firmware: not a smart thing to do over a wireless connection.
Is your design work professional or for pleasure? If it's professional, then the issues about 'you buying the ram' don't exist, because either your work bought it, or it was a work expense.
If it's for pleasure, then how is that a more valid excuse for purchasing a large amount of ram than playing games?
If you're belittling using a computer as a game machine from a financial standpoint, I'd argue that gaming is hardly the most expensive form of entertainment that exists.