What about applying constructive criticism where it's of actual use? Like, filing bugs in the relevant bug tracker, voicing valid points on the relevant mailing list, submitting patches, or doing other work within the Mozilla community? Whining on/. is the one thing that has absolutely no impact on the final product.
I could make a full-time job out of whining about shitty products on/., that doesn't mean I should do it nor that anyone would enjoy it.
So? Does that mean they owe him a good product or anything?
Company offers free product, of course in the hopes of attracting people. People shrug and move on. End of story.
Some people of course feel like they have a right to bitch and moan instead of simply moving on to greener pastures or actually getting involved in producing a product that they like (which in the case of Mozilla is an actual option). That doesn't mean these people aren't a pain in the rear.
Maybe because actually being able to do stuff on the web is more useful than just viewing remote documents? The first computers could only crunch numbers if you fed them with punch cards, which was already more useful than what came before. But no, then some idiots wanted to actually have a keyboard and a screen! And now you can actually watch video on these things delivered from halfway around the globe! My god, where have these incremental updates gotten us?!
Totally agree. The thing is though that the web is a platform which is still in its infancy and still has its kinks being worked out, which requires all parties to keep moving on. FF3.6 must not become the next IE6. For IE6 at least there was no upgrade path for a long time. There is for FF, and there are enough alternatives if you do not like the upgrade path.
So that makes 3 decent browsers then. What were you complaining about again?:)
BTW, I have a G4 iBook lying around as well, which nobody has really used for anything besides checking email for the last few years. While I do appreciate using tech as long as it's viable, the PPC platform as a whole and G4 iBooks in particular are a few years past their expiry date now, as unfortunate as it is.
FF 3.6 has been superseded by 4.0 and subsequent versions almost exactly a year ago. There have been many many releases since then. How stable do you need your software to be before moving on? Also, it's a browser for crying out loud. While that usually is a mayor tool these days, it's not your production server or OS kernel.
I'm going to whine on/. on how betrayed I feel by a company whose free products I have enjoyed using in the past for free without having given back anything to them now that there are better alternatives and I don't feel like switching because I feel that company owes me for some reason.
And again, I have yet to find one app that has all the bus information. Navitime doesn't even recognize the name of my nearest bus stop, which is served by two different companies, 30mins walking distance from Shinjuku. There's hardly any excuse for not having that data.
The reality is, bus information is simply not well aggregated or accessible in Japan.
If only it was this easy. Nope, even Yahoo does not provide bus route information. High speed buses, sure, but normal buses no. At least it does not find my local bus connection and has me walking 15mins to the closest train station instead.
Somebody please tell this to the Japanese. While their bus service is decent enough, getting information about routes and timetables here is virtually impossible. All the Japanese bus company websites are still Web 0.8, there are many many private bus companies even within the same city and there's no one service that aggregates all the information.
Google Bus would be a great service here. They have already done it for trains, which works really well.
So, first people complain that their employer is blocking or limiting their internet access because they spend too much time on Facebook, now they're complaining that they're forced to sign up for a Facebook account? Oh boy...
That's a much more useful comparison. But what about everyday expenses? Does that worker have to eat scraps from the street or can he afford an average, decent (Chinese) meal? And consider that housing and food seems to be mostly provided by Foxconn. Can he buy average clothes at about the average rate as other Chinese? Can he go to the cinema every once in a while, or whatever else young Chinese like to do? Just that he can't afford a luxury item doesn't necessarily mean he's much poorer off than the average Chinese in jobs of similar levels, and that's really what matters. What are his actual expenses and how much does he actually get to keep for his own use? How much of that is tax? The average American factory line worker probably also couldn't afford a new iPhone every month.
I work in Japan and am making twice the money I made last time I worked in Europe, but a disproportionally large part of it goes down the drain for housing and food. I am not buying any more or less gadgets at the end than I did back then, even though I live in roughly the same conditions (arguably worse housing actually) and get more money.
The waitress gets RMB2500 (or thereabouts), not US$400.
Again, if you suddenly redistribute the wealth to the factory workers, they'd be peerless kings in their own country. I imagine certain people at the top would have to say something about a factory line worker earning American salaries, especially in China. It's not Apple that's setting the salaries, remember that they're subcontracting to a Chinese/Taiwanese company, controlled by Chinese laws in China.
And people owning the means for producing things... that largely hasn't happened within the last 200 years by mostly leaving China to its own devices, why do you expect it will suddenly happen now through Apple?
Yes, it all sounds so very nice and it would sure be great if everybody was happy and all that, but in reality that simply doesn't happen over night. Fair Labor inspections, how ever phony they are, are a realistic first step in that direction though. Redistribution of wealth is a fantasy, especially in a country that explicitly does *not* adhere to the principles of capitalistic freedom.
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You want flies with that?
Yessu, puriizu.
Correction: Google's main business is ads. They just happen to go very well with search.
What about applying constructive criticism where it's of actual use? Like, filing bugs in the relevant bug tracker, voicing valid points on the relevant mailing list, submitting patches, or doing other work within the Mozilla community? Whining on /. is the one thing that has absolutely no impact on the final product.
I could make a full-time job out of whining about shitty products on /., that doesn't mean I should do it nor that anyone would enjoy it.
So? Does that mean they owe him a good product or anything?
Company offers free product, of course in the hopes of attracting people.
People shrug and move on.
End of story.
Some people of course feel like they have a right to bitch and moan instead of simply moving on to greener pastures or actually getting involved in producing a product that they like (which in the case of Mozilla is an actual option). That doesn't mean these people aren't a pain in the rear.
They want you, so how do they go about keeping you?
Uhm... by producing a product that you want to use. For free.
Which is a strategy they're apparently currently failing at.
So, what does this have to do with your last two comments?
Maybe because actually being able to do stuff on the web is more useful than just viewing remote documents? The first computers could only crunch numbers if you fed them with punch cards, which was already more useful than what came before. But no, then some idiots wanted to actually have a keyboard and a screen! And now you can actually watch video on these things delivered from halfway around the globe! My god, where have these incremental updates gotten us?!
Once they start advertising, the whole 'you get what you pay for' argument is useless.
You'll have to explain that one to me.
Totally agree. The thing is though that the web is a platform which is still in its infancy and still has its kinks being worked out, which requires all parties to keep moving on. FF3.6 must not become the next IE6. For IE6 at least there was no upgrade path for a long time. There is for FF, and there are enough alternatives if you do not like the upgrade path.
So that makes 3 decent browsers then. What were you complaining about again? :)
BTW, I have a G4 iBook lying around as well, which nobody has really used for anything besides checking email for the last few years. While I do appreciate using tech as long as it's viable, the PPC platform as a whole and G4 iBooks in particular are a few years past their expiry date now, as unfortunate as it is.
FF 3.6 has been superseded by 4.0 and subsequent versions almost exactly a year ago. There have been many many releases since then. How stable do you need your software to be before moving on? Also, it's a browser for crying out loud. While that usually is a mayor tool these days, it's not your production server or OS kernel.
I'm going to whine on /. on how betrayed I feel by a company whose free products I have enjoyed using in the past for free without having given back anything to them now that there are better alternatives and I don't feel like switching because I feel that company owes me for some reason.
FTFY.
One whose head is too hard to upgrade to a newer version.
Goody! Just another 5 years 'till it hits the production servers now.
I don't know, this don't look like a mobile-optimized site: http://kokusaikogyo.ekiworld.net/kensaku/web/
And again, I have yet to find one app that has all the bus information. Navitime doesn't even recognize the name of my nearest bus stop, which is served by two different companies, 30mins walking distance from Shinjuku. There's hardly any excuse for not having that data.
The reality is, bus information is simply not well aggregated or accessible in Japan.
If only it was this easy. Nope, even Yahoo does not provide bus route information. High speed buses, sure, but normal buses no.
At least it does not find my local bus connection and has me walking 15mins to the closest train station instead.
Routes available on Hyperdia (copy&paste):
Airplane
Airport Shuttle Bus
Bullet Train (SHINKANSEN)
NOZOMI / MIZUHO / HAYABUSA (SHINKANSEN)
Limited Express
Express
Liner
Walk
Sleeper Limited Express
Sleeper Express
Ordinary Train
Japan Railway(JR)
Private Railway
Thanks for underscoring my point about buses .
Google Transit can do the above as well just fine.
Somebody please tell this to the Japanese. While their bus service is decent enough, getting information about routes and timetables here is virtually impossible. All the Japanese bus company websites are still Web 0.8, there are many many private bus companies even within the same city and there's no one service that aggregates all the information.
Google Bus would be a great service here. They have already done it for trains, which works really well.
...damned if you don't?
So, first people complain that their employer is blocking or limiting their internet access because they spend too much time on Facebook, now they're complaining that they're forced to sign up for a Facebook account? Oh boy...
i guess that little hacker has a much greater interest in slimming down their OS than they do.
FTFY
Uhm, yes. No. Wait. What are we complaining about again?
Ah right. Won't anybody think of the children?!
That's a much more useful comparison. But what about everyday expenses? Does that worker have to eat scraps from the street or can he afford an average, decent (Chinese) meal? And consider that housing and food seems to be mostly provided by Foxconn. Can he buy average clothes at about the average rate as other Chinese? Can he go to the cinema every once in a while, or whatever else young Chinese like to do? Just that he can't afford a luxury item doesn't necessarily mean he's much poorer off than the average Chinese in jobs of similar levels, and that's really what matters. What are his actual expenses and how much does he actually get to keep for his own use? How much of that is tax? The average American factory line worker probably also couldn't afford a new iPhone every month.
This!
I work in Japan and am making twice the money I made last time I worked in Europe, but a disproportionally large part of it goes down the drain for housing and food. I am not buying any more or less gadgets at the end than I did back then, even though I live in roughly the same conditions (arguably worse housing actually) and get more money.
The waitress gets RMB2500 (or thereabouts), not US$400.
I, for one, welcome our robotic overlords.
There's not much else I can do, since they'll take over the world and obsolete humans entirely anyway.
Mod parent up!
Stopping to treat other people and countries as idiots and the Great West as Teh Saviorz is probably the most necessary thing in this discussion.
Again, if you suddenly redistribute the wealth to the factory workers, they'd be peerless kings in their own country. I imagine certain people at the top would have to say something about a factory line worker earning American salaries, especially in China. It's not Apple that's setting the salaries, remember that they're subcontracting to a Chinese/Taiwanese company, controlled by Chinese laws in China.
And people owning the means for producing things... that largely hasn't happened within the last 200 years by mostly leaving China to its own devices, why do you expect it will suddenly happen now through Apple?
Yes, it all sounds so very nice and it would sure be great if everybody was happy and all that, but in reality that simply doesn't happen over night. Fair Labor inspections, how ever phony they are, are a realistic first step in that direction though. Redistribution of wealth is a fantasy, especially in a country that explicitly does *not* adhere to the principles of capitalistic freedom.