Squeeze makes a good point; his "failing" is in not being fully inoculated to the fact that the focus was to be on the Linux Business, not the GNU/Linux OS - the program being, of course, a co-branding of CNN & Fortune, neither known for their kewl 3L337 haX0r focus.
Linux is "new", according to Willow "Hi! I'm Mrs ABC!" Bay
"God" is either pregnant (congrats!), or working on one hell of a beer belly.
MS have tried to push NT, at places that were smart enough to choose Linux. Good luck with that!
The official (CNN sez so) pronunciation for the Tubby Deity is "LINE-us".
Yeah, I know that no other distros were shown (AFAICT), and there was no sign of RMS:), but Robert Young is a fun Face of Linux (as, of course, is the Tubby Deity).
If the charges and the context are bogus, the perjury is just "perjury". At the very beginning of the thread I said that a in real live court of law, there would be trouble getting a conviction. At this point, it's just misleading and uncooperative statements (or even lies) in a videotaped deposition - but not perjury. When I see the indictment, maybe I'll start believing. Pundits and the public are not judge and jury.
But all the Jane Does (and Paula Joneses) have been unreliable witnesses, and the fact that they have been used as a weapon against Clinton to the point that his private affair with Ms Lewinsky became a public joke
Should continue: "...should show you that this is more a witch-hunt or bloodless coup attempt than a quest for the 'truth' or the 'facts'".
I've been typing, on and off, since I was six years old. I had a typing textbook, but I never looked at it. Now I'm a virtuoso hunt-and-peck typist. It's not pretty, but I've never had any physical problems as a result of it.
Lessee, -Clinton collected many FBI files on his enemies -He illegally took foreign campaign contributions from countries like China in exchange for favors (can you say "Most Favored Nation Status"?). -He has always been pretty anti-military, but calls air strikes whenever he gets in hot water. -He destroy the lives of innocent citizens for stupid political pay-offs (Travel Office, Billy Dale)
None of this matters, because "He feels our pain", unlike those big, bad, Republican bullys
None of this matters because the Independent Prosecutor(s) failed to prove any of these allegations (allegations, not facts) to be worthy of our attention. BTW, the War Powers Act allows any Prez to call air strikes, with some strings attached; Clinton broke no laws in that regard.
...niceties like relevant facts and arguments. The anti-Clinton folks spout words like "perjury" and "obstruction of justice". But in a real trial, prosecutors would have had a lot of trouble getting a conviction. Not to mention that an attempt to hide an affair with a consenting adult does not pass the standard of being a "High Crime or Misdemeanor". The Republicans were simply desperate to get a conviction from Starr's gigantically expensive sting operation - the hysterics showed again and again in their "impassioned" speeches.
The Nixon Administration engaged in several heinous acts, and even had manpower specifically devoted to them (your tax dollars at work... stealing psychologists' confidential files... finding inventive money-laundering strategies...). There was support from both parties to impeach and remove Nixon from office, both because of the heinousness and the fact that the citizenry had begun to think he was lower than a snake. If more Merkins could compare 1969-1974 to the Clinton years, I think we'd have less of the false bleatings about the current mess.
I'd really, really rather just lurk, but I'm extremely sick and tired of these rote bleatings against the Prez. Starr searched high and low, dug up nearly every rock... and found nothing but some trivial, irrelevant "charges"... for now. Maybe he can find some evidence of Clinton shoplifting a pack of chewing gum in Hot Springs in 1959 - I believe there's a team of investigators questioning the shopkeeper today.
Disclaimer: I voted for Clinton. Twice. In both cases it was a choice between Bad and Worse. I voted Bad.
The proper thing to do, IMHO, would have been for you to put a reference to your book _on your homepage_, not/.
...What transpired here goes against all that/. has claimed to stand for.
It's Rob's call. He's in charge of the evolution of/., but I'm sure that the cacophony of responses to this (and similar) topics has its way of getting into his thought processes. I've only been lurking and posting for a year, but it hasn't changed so much in that time that the site is ruined; there are things on the periphery that have changed - passwords, disclaimers, AC Hell, the new sport of Sengan-bashing, m'odd-erators, "First Post!"... but the great "kernel" is still very much there. Yes, I am slightly squeamish about the New Slashdot Effect being used with Katz' book; but it's not like he publishes a book every week.
...What if RMS decided to refer to his recent book on his sex life while writing emacs in the help section?
It was my understanding that there was an Open Source project underway (possibly prior to apple buying next) to implement this API under Linux in much the same way as it is implemented under Windows (or at least was, dont know if apple will continue to develop that) this would allow for cross platform development with ony a recompile.
it wouldn't matter if people could form their own opinions instead of blaming their textbooks...
Americans can think for themselves when it comes to more primal matters, but when confronted with the semantic nightmare and decades-old FUD surrounding the word "socialism", their eyes glaze over. We're left with a state of affairs in which most people think "socialism" == "communism", and many people think "liberalism" == "socialism". That's not good news for the quality of political discourse; it creates a situation in which even a moderate viewpoint can be demonized or discredited, due to its "association" with "failed" "communism".
This isn't about one ancient textbook; it's about a damaging repetition of falsehoods, and it doesn't just apply to this one set of circumstances. If "socialism" can become a swear word, so can "Free Software", "RMS", "Linux"... just as American politics has been ruined by draining words and phrases of useful meaning, Free Software can become a complete nonentity by the same process. And it needn't take decades for this to happen.
It's too late, on this side of the Atlantic (the US). Generations of non-socialists have been allowed to define the words "socialism" and "communism"; many my old cold-war era social studies textbooks were written in the J Edgar Hoover "the only good commie is a dead one" era - our school system didn't have enough $ to buy more-recent books (not that those books would have been any better). Most Americans spout off about what socialism and communism are, but they haven't read a word of Marx, Keynes, or Harrington (and probably haven't even heard of the latter two).
Imagine if we'd have let Ballmer or Berst define what "Free Software" or "Open Source" mean...
Yeah, he's gone over so well in the ex-USSR and I hear North Korea is having a great time with his philosophies lately.
He has always done well in the US. Public education, Social Security, progressive taxation, a good job at a decent wage... heresies straight out of the Communist Manifesto. I long for an America that looks like those old Jacob Riis photos. May a million tenements and sweatshops bloom!
I hate that Thatcherite rag. But, a surprisingly good read, nonetheless.
The Economist has good writing, and more non-fluff info per square inch than all other big-time newsmags. Yeah, maybe the politics are shite; my solution: I don't inhale.
It means touring and performing (the actual services themselves; the show). I always thought the music industry would be better if it was all focussed on real performance, instead of shoving a single recording of a single song down the necks of every target induhvidual on the crust of this Earth.
It's all real, and everyone deserves compensation, whether it's the producers, recording engineers, luthiers, studio acousticians, or even the dreaded $uit$ who clog the industry. I would dearly love to see a GNU/Linux way for everyone (minus a lot of the suits) to Get Paid; I discovered Linux by accident many years ago, via an ad in the back of BYTE - I didn't need to be told how kewl it was by Berst or Petreley, or see it get covered by CNN. Linux achieved some degree of success without having to put five full-page ads in every issue of PCMag.
I hope that, in time, artists will not have to pander to the suits - which even the "rebel" or "underground" ones do. But there's a need to build alternative portals; newsgroups, mailing lists, fan sites, and such, are great - but they tend to reach only the converted. To really emulate Linux's success, you'll need more bandwidth for everybody, and then the knowledge that these alternative portals exist. MP3.com and Shoutcast are lame and insufficient compared to what The Industry has at its disposal.
We shouldn't just bitch about the unfair share that Sony gets for a CD by saying "free everything" - you already have "free" in that the "banner ads" used on commercial radio and MTV pay for your free "enjoyment" of Mariah Carey and Puff Daddy; why not work for a solution that allows bands to bypass The System completely and make a bigger pie-slice off their non-corporate CDs? Recordings are as real and legitimate a form of profit-making activity as touring is.
Who's gonna tell Brian Eno to his face that he has to go on tour twice a year to earn his livelihood? Who's gonna tell the composer Gorecki that he has to form a 90-piece orchestra and arrange a tour, just so people can hear his next symphony without starving him to death? Who's gonna pay Steve Albini in your scenario? Not all music (or musical activity) has to do with putting on a "show". Music != Showbiz.
Same deal as The Dead. Don't underestimate the role of The Man in Phish's success either. Like I said in my first post, The Man's portals (CD distribution / retail chains / concert venues / promoter$ / print-media coverage / airplay) still play a huge part even in "underground" successes - and in the case of Phish, I can deal with it; it means they can get to be Mickey Hart's age and still have the financial wherewithal to make and distribute and perform new music (if they choose to do so; who wants to see a bunch of bloated fiftysomethings doing it just to pay their alimony).
I still think that The Dead wouldn't have gotten nearly as far had Warners not hopped aboard the feeding frenzy over the San Francisco bands; the bootlegs and the Deadhead community in general did a lot, but first the Warner money'n'muscle did much to build a critical-mass of mindshare outside of SF.
Might it be possible that the Music industry is moving from the cathedral to the bazar? Sort of like the fact that you don't make money from open source products but from support and other services (_you_ figure out what this means for artists).
TMBG (and every artist that gains publicity from these "So-and-So to release MP3s" stories) gained their stature, to a large degree, from the Cathedral paradigm. Wake me when some obscure, unsigned wretch achieves a "brand name" status solely via the use of MP3s (bypassing mainstream and college radio outlets; bypassing the gatekeepers of major labels and large indies). Why don't you try being the guinea pig? Be sure to give us frequent status reports.
There may, in time, be a "free music" success story, but I think the frequent cheerleading of "free the music" wrongly attempts to shoehorn everything-and-the-kitchen-sink into the box of Free Software. The major labels and commercial radio chains form a Cathedral portal that will cling to every inch of its authority every bit as much as Microsoft does.
Cool! You've now sucked me "into the tent"; I'll be contributing to your rent shortly:)
To the hardcore Katz-bashers: there is a world outside our boxen; it has a way of influencing the world inside our boxen (see the forest of Perens threads). So maybe Katz' posts can be seen as Stuff That Matters. Squint if you have to:)
I've said my fair share here, but it is something that should be realized. In the words of my favorite professor this semester (Yes, he is a cs prof.), "This isn't about software. We're in the entertainment business, y'all. It is all about the marketing." Get back to reality and maarket the hell out of this thing.
Fair enough, but I'd prefer that there be an OSS "marketing arm" that was closer to RMS's and Bruce's ideals than to ESR's (not that I don't appreciate the efforts of all three). "Sell" the fsck out of Free Software, but don't end up with the thing becoming unrecognizable amidst the alphabet soup of newer and newer ESR-compliant TLAs.
Disclaimer: posted via the non-Free Communicator 4.5-x86-Linux.
That's an unfortunate comparison, what with "civil forfeiture" and all that nonsense.
American judges (and the Supreme Court, and Congress, and law enforcement, and the Drug Czar, and Clinto-Stud, and...) could use a visit from the Clue Fairy, too:)
Until recently, nerds and geeks weren't permitted anywhere in or near movies, surely not in starring roles.
Geeks and nerds have been a staple of film forever (Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd...); if you're referring just to computer geeks, even those have been around for a long time (the weird guy in the white lab coat who understands the intimidating room-sized mainframe, for instance - but that was probably rarely, if ever, a lead character).
...but these message boards are too stuffed with bloated jerks.
I'm a jerk, yes, but I'm usually described as "wiry":)
As far as OSes, Linux is my primary OS as well, but there's tons of good ones. All I ask for is a more level playing field out there, fair play and more adherence to open standards; I want to see the curbing of the excesses of one particular OS vendor (I'll give ya 98 guesses, or even 5.0^H^H^H2000, if ya want). If this makes me a "Linux Nazi" (ooh, yer a millimeter away from playin' the H Card, ain't ya?), so be it. The "M$ SUX" people may be the loudest on/., but they're probably a very small 3L337 minority.
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Linux is "new", according to Willow "Hi! I'm Mrs ABC!" Bay
"God" is either pregnant (congrats!), or working on one hell of a beer belly.
MS have tried to push NT, at places that were smart enough to choose Linux. Good luck with that!
The official (CNN sez so) pronunciation for the Tubby Deity is "LINE-us".
Yeah, I know that no other distros were shown (AFAICT), and there was no sign of RMS :), but Robert Young is a fun Face of Linux (as, of course, is the Tubby Deity).
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Should continue: "...should show you that this is more a witch-hunt or bloodless coup attempt than a quest for the 'truth' or the 'facts'".
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-Clinton collected many FBI files on his enemies
-He illegally took foreign campaign contributions from countries like China in exchange for favors (can you say "Most Favored Nation Status"?).
-He has always been pretty anti-military, but calls air strikes whenever he gets in hot water.
-He destroy the lives of innocent citizens for stupid political pay-offs (Travel Office, Billy Dale)
None of this matters, because "He feels our pain", unlike those big, bad, Republican bullys
None of this matters because the Independent Prosecutor(s) failed to prove any of these allegations (allegations, not facts) to be worthy of our attention. BTW, the War Powers Act allows any Prez to call air strikes, with some strings attached; Clinton broke no laws in that regard.
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The Nixon Administration engaged in several heinous acts, and even had manpower specifically devoted to them (your tax dollars at work... stealing psychologists' confidential files... finding inventive money-laundering strategies...). There was support from both parties to impeach and remove Nixon from office, both because of the heinousness and the fact that the citizenry had begun to think he was lower than a snake. If more Merkins could compare 1969-1974 to the Clinton years, I think we'd have less of the false bleatings about the current mess.
I'd really, really rather just lurk, but I'm extremely sick and tired of these rote bleatings against the Prez. Starr searched high and low, dug up nearly every rock... and found nothing but some trivial, irrelevant "charges"... for now. Maybe he can find some evidence of Clinton shoplifting a pack of chewing gum in Hot Springs in 1959 - I believe there's a team of investigators questioning the shopkeeper today.
Disclaimer: I voted for Clinton. Twice. In both cases it was a choice between Bad and Worse. I voted Bad.
Can we please go back to flaming MS?
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It's Rob's call. He's in charge of the evolution of /., but I'm sure that the cacophony of responses to this (and similar) topics has its way of getting into his thought processes. I've only been lurking and posting for a year, but it hasn't changed so much in that time that the site is ruined; there are things on the periphery that have changed - passwords, disclaimers, AC Hell, the new sport of Sengan-bashing, m'odd-erators, "First Post!"... but the great "kernel" is still very much there. Yes, I am slightly squeamish about the New Slashdot Effect being used with Katz' book; but it's not like he publishes a book every week.
Ewww.
This is hypothetical, right?
Ewwww.
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Wouldn't that be GNUstep?
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Americans can think for themselves when it comes to more primal matters, but when confronted with the semantic nightmare and decades-old FUD surrounding the word "socialism", their eyes glaze over. We're left with a state of affairs in which most people think "socialism" == "communism", and many people think "liberalism" == "socialism". That's not good news for the quality of political discourse; it creates a situation in which even a moderate viewpoint can be demonized or discredited, due to its "association" with "failed" "communism".
This isn't about one ancient textbook; it's about a damaging repetition of falsehoods, and it doesn't just apply to this one set of circumstances. If "socialism" can become a swear word, so can "Free Software", "RMS", "Linux"... just as American politics has been ruined by draining words and phrases of useful meaning, Free Software can become a complete nonentity by the same process. And it needn't take decades for this to happen.
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Imagine if we'd have let Ballmer or Berst define what "Free Software" or "Open Source" mean...
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He has always done well in the US. Public education, Social Security, progressive taxation, a good job at a decent wage... heresies straight out of the Communist Manifesto. I long for an America that looks like those old Jacob Riis photos. May a million tenements and sweatshops bloom!
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The Economist has good writing, and more non-fluff info per square inch than all other big-time newsmags. Yeah, maybe the politics are shite; my solution: I don't inhale.
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It's all real, and everyone deserves compensation, whether it's the producers, recording engineers, luthiers, studio acousticians, or even the dreaded $uit$ who clog the industry. I would dearly love to see a GNU/Linux way for everyone (minus a lot of the suits) to Get Paid; I discovered Linux by accident many years ago, via an ad in the back of BYTE - I didn't need to be told how kewl it was by Berst or Petreley, or see it get covered by CNN. Linux achieved some degree of success without having to put five full-page ads in every issue of PCMag.
I hope that, in time, artists will not have to pander to the suits - which even the "rebel" or "underground" ones do. But there's a need to build alternative portals; newsgroups, mailing lists, fan sites, and such, are great - but they tend to reach only the converted. To really emulate Linux's success, you'll need more bandwidth for everybody, and then the knowledge that these alternative portals exist. MP3.com and Shoutcast are lame and insufficient compared to what The Industry has at its disposal.
We shouldn't just bitch about the unfair share that Sony gets for a CD by saying "free everything" - you already have "free" in that the "banner ads" used on commercial radio and MTV pay for your free "enjoyment" of Mariah Carey and Puff Daddy; why not work for a solution that allows bands to bypass The System completely and make a bigger pie-slice off their non-corporate CDs? Recordings are as real and legitimate a form of profit-making activity as touring is.
Who's gonna tell Brian Eno to his face that he has to go on tour twice a year to earn his livelihood? Who's gonna tell the composer Gorecki that he has to form a 90-piece orchestra and arrange a tour, just so people can hear his next symphony without starving him to death? Who's gonna pay Steve Albini in your scenario? Not all music (or musical activity) has to do with putting on a "show". Music != Showbiz.
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TMBG (and every artist that gains publicity from these "So-and-So to release MP3s" stories) gained their stature, to a large degree, from the Cathedral paradigm. Wake me when some obscure, unsigned wretch achieves a "brand name" status solely via the use of MP3s (bypassing mainstream and college radio outlets; bypassing the gatekeepers of major labels and large indies). Why don't you try being the guinea pig? Be sure to give us frequent status reports.
There may, in time, be a "free music" success story, but I think the frequent cheerleading of "free the music" wrongly attempts to shoehorn everything-and-the-kitchen-sink into the box of Free Software. The major labels and commercial radio chains form a Cathedral portal that will cling to every inch of its authority every bit as much as Microsoft does.
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To the hardcore Katz-bashers: there is a world outside our boxen; it has a way of influencing the world inside our boxen (see the forest of Perens threads). So maybe Katz' posts can be seen as Stuff That Matters. Squint if you have to :)
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Fair enough, but I'd prefer that there be an OSS "marketing arm" that was closer to RMS's and Bruce's ideals than to ESR's (not that I don't appreciate the efforts of all three). "Sell" the fsck out of Free Software, but don't end up with the thing becoming unrecognizable amidst the alphabet soup of newer and newer ESR-compliant TLAs.
Disclaimer: posted via the non-Free Communicator 4.5-x86-Linux.
pingouin as Insomnia Boy, two sets nightly...
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American judges (and the Supreme Court, and Congress, and law enforcement, and the Drug Czar, and Clinto-Stud, and ...) could use a visit from the Clue Fairy, too :)
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Can happen, once Intel embeds each of us with PIIIs. But who will pay them? Could it be... hmmm... SATAN?
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Geeks and nerds have been a staple of film forever (Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd...); if you're referring just to computer geeks, even those have been around for a long time (the weird guy in the white lab coat who understands the intimidating room-sized mainframe, for instance - but that was probably rarely, if ever, a lead character).
Know Your Roots, Katz.
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Koppel, the Sports Babe, Dennis Prager, Mo Vaughn, Bill Nye, Paul Kariya, and the iMac, all under the jurisdiction of interim-CEO-for-life Steve Jobs?
Will this get me a Linux QuickTime client any faster, dammit?
- Not Enough Coffee Man
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I'm a jerk, yes, but I'm usually described as "wiry" :)
As far as OSes, Linux is my primary OS as well, but there's tons of good ones. All I ask for is a more level playing field out there, fair play and more adherence to open standards; I want to see the curbing of the excesses of one particular OS vendor (I'll give ya 98 guesses, or even 5.0^H^H^H2000, if ya want). If this makes me a "Linux Nazi" (ooh, yer a millimeter away from playin' the H Card, ain't ya?), so be it. The "M$ SUX" people may be the loudest on /., but they're probably a very small 3L337 minority.
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