I ran into similar issue, but I had a workaround to make it work by using AHCI and knocking down USB to legacy mode, hence kernel to recognizing SATA as IDE. Well, but I guess it's a pointless now since you got a new mobo and all.
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I agree, but you are counting out RMI like HP iLO and Dell DRAC which are over ethernet. So it's easy to spot at least 3 to 4 NIC on E class servers. However you are right, as far as NIC drivers is concern, the most 2 drivers will suffice since RMI hardware abstraction is separated from OS.
since most computers have 1-2 NICs at the most, wouldn't that clog up the kernel with tons of drivers for hardware you'll never use?
No. If you compile your kernel the way it should; ie editing config before compiling by removing un-needed driver support and other things you do not need, you won't have to worry about compiling modules or loading modules you will not need.
On the other hand, there are generally two ways to go about this. When compiling modules and vmlinuz, you can let kernel decide what to load (shotgun approach) or compile all as module and hand pick what needs to be loaded at init or in modprobe config. Later way is the preferred method for most cases since it's good way to trim the fat and reduce modules taking up the kernel memory space and at the same time, it's easier for hardware changes may take place later on such as USB devices and upgrade etc.
Any correction on my above statement is always welcome.
Personally I don't think it really matters if Slack includes 2.4.x or 2.6.x in stable branch because most Slackers tend to recompile kernel anyway. But when it comes down to it, it has a lot to do with initial boot and installation on legacy hardwares. My experience is that Linux kernel 2.4 just works on every hardware so far while I can't speak same for Linux kernel 2.6 due to quiet a few drops in legacy hardware support.
I agree on Pat's great work, and he's such a drama queen.:P
"Give Aways" - bi-annual Volkswagen Jetta (or any chick car) give-away to first 100 women "Sweapstakes" - chance to win a trip to Cancun "Code Club" - female only club to talk about technical books, hosted by _insert_famous_geek_chick_here_ "Women's Weekly" - weekly magazine targeted toward women between age of 18 and 40 to spread useful info and geek gosps and dirts "OMG!11!! Brad Pitt is cheating on Angelina Jolie with GNOME girl!" - use ugly rumors to spike the interest
If all fail, "Life time supply of Tampon". Yes, it's nasty, but it turns away most guys, resulting in smaller gap to fill for women.
This is all about money, and where the cigarette companies lost the tobacco truth war, the oil companies are winning the global warming war.
So is Kyoto protocol. Matter of fact, oil companies makes money one way or the other. Do you really think Global Cooling will ruin the oil companies? Read my sig.
First, this is first I ever heard of package manager interfering with driver installation. Most of these package manager with RPM binaries conflicts occur when installing packages not from FC branch, mostly 3rd party with own sets of dependancies. Also users misconfiguring yum repo configs for those 3rd party. It's just too common SMP vs. UP driver installation for kernel running SMP/UP. I've seen post after post people complaining about v4l ivtv kernel module compiled for UP installed on SMP kernel and screaming bloody hell for not working properly. For wireless, it may be bit more dependancies, but yum resolves dependancies pretty smoothly already. I haven't yet seen any problem, so I can't see your point on this. I've upgraded from FC3->4->5 using yum alone and it couldn't be any simpler.
Second, I'm sure there are many FUD and debates on RPM vs DEB, but somehow, after several years of working with RPMs and packaging RPMS for my own needs, I haven't yet run into any road block big enough to switch. Matter of fact, I find RPM very useful and works perfectly great.
Third, simply that's not even close to being true. If you can't tell the difference between FC and RHEL, you do not know enough to say FC and RHEL is the same. FC and RHEL is not same, from top to bottom. Obviously similarity is there and that's where it ends. Many bleeding edge on FC will not make it on RHEL. It will be LONG before you'll see RHEL will start shipping MySQL 5 where FC5 already includes MySQL 5 in main stable branch. Try pam authenticate FC3/4/5 over Windows Active Directory (as it's been demonstrated many times to be possible). I promise you, you will not succeed with RHEL4 if you follow FC3/4/5 direction.
For instance, they need to achieve a "critical mass" of users before hardware and software vendors certify their products against any Linux distribution, he explained.
Ubuntu market and RHEL market is totally different. Ubuntu is "now" heading toward Enterprise desktop environment with support, but Ubuntu had and always has been about average joe's Desktop PC while RHEL had and always has been about heavily toward Enterprise customers. So I think, by reading the article, it looks like RH is taking Ubuntu as not a competitor, but rather as a grassroot movement trying to reach that "critical mass". And to be fair, Crenshaw did point out a very good point here. That is, popularity doesn't count for the vendor certification which is the industry embracing OS distro with hardware and software for better customer support and that is what Enterprise customers look for.
Microsoft being in cluster market so late in the game, it's fair to say that MS had failed to grab the market share early on. So the statement in the article is accurate. Who knows if MS will monopolize cluster market share in coming years? But this statement is on the bull's eye.
"Linux is often associated with high-performance computing, but Windows has never achieved that on a large scale."
This has been the case for Microsoft. When Win2k Data Center edition was coming out, I was hoping better support for complete cluster suite, but wasn't satisfied with MS's offering with half baked solution and limitations. Besides, call me crazy, but 200+ cluster nodes, there is no way single Windows cluster node installation will be easier than a kickstart/NFS/bash script of RHEL cluster node. I don't know, maybe there is similar thing for Windows... I'm not a Windows guy, so I'm not sure. Please do correct me.
...get to work next is my D-Link DWL-650+ on my Thinkpad...
I've virtually gave up on it couple of years ago. NDIS wrapper was the only way to get it up and running on RH/FC/Slack and couldn't get it to work stably without reseating or rebooting. If you get it working, hopefully you'll be kind enough to let me know.
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Is that why rest of the world pay so much for traditional voice line? Curious.
So it's part of China or not? "Maybe" doesn't really make much sense to me. US and UN says Taiwan is part of China, EU is saying Taiwan is not part of China, Taiwan is saying it's its own country, China is saying it's part of China. Google says it's part of China. WTF.
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France *Total Population: 60,876,136 *Internet Users: 26,214,174
China *Total Population: 1,313,973,713 *Internet Users: 111,000,000
Having said that there is something about a fat white man with beard in a red suit. So yeah, coke is better. (FUD optional)
Now I totally agree with you on "no driver no buyer" concept. I've been pushing that ideal for years now. But there is always that "reverse engineering" vs. "code blob" from manufactures. Personally I don't like to lean on either way for reason being some reverse engineered drivers works out the best while some manufacture's binary blob works out the best. It's good that OpenBSD embraced WiFi support, I don't see how that is much better than "official" driver from WiFi card manufactures. I think, that arguement can go both way with Windows and Mac OS X as well. Once desktop PC makers include Linux/BSD distro with proper drivers, I think, that is what makes the distro/OS ahead of the game in my opinion.
Who needs discipline and work ethics when you have pills? Post babyboom American students became the weakest link in our society, not to mention ever increasing cost of schooling, depleting higher academic standards, failing teachers to educational system, disappearing stable family environment, etc.
But lets put aside those minor problems. Things like stress from reading too many books, peer pressure to have sex and drink alcohol, debilitating attention deficit syndrome, and bad eye sight, what obsticles must you go through these days?!?! The horror!
What pills won't give you is will, discipline and work ethics. That separates Franklin D. Roosevelt from Adolf Hitler. I'm not calling anyone Nazi here, but hopefully you know what I mean.
You know you are a Dilbert when staying in a job more than one year is worth a congratulatory plaque printed out from "color" printer, not a laser printer.
You know you are a Dilbert when your company policy is to refer fellow co-workers as "Team".
You know you are a Dilbert when your company IT policy covers telephone, fax and copier usage.
You know you are a Dilbert when a coffee break means a break from people around you.
You know you are a Dilbert when you spend time composing IT infrastructure proposal, 50% pretty pictures and 50% marketing buzz word conversion.
You know you are a Dilbert when you filter internal emails like spam.
You know you are a Dilbert when bandwidth hogs complain the most about slow internet access.
You know you are a Dilbert when you are one man IT department.
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Drive 90 minutes in any direction from LA and you are pretty much in the middle of nowhere.
Yes. Driving 90 minutes in LA means traffic is going nowhere while driving 90 minutes in NYC means there is just no parking space.
I ran into similar issue, but I had a workaround to make it work by using AHCI and knocking down USB to legacy mode, hence kernel to recognizing SATA as IDE. Well, but I guess it's a pointless now since you got a new mobo and all.
I hope, someone finds this helpful at least.
What version of RHEL4 kernel are you using?
I agree, but you are counting out RMI like HP iLO and Dell DRAC which are over ethernet. So it's easy to spot at least 3 to 4 NIC on E class servers. However you are right, as far as NIC drivers is concern, the most 2 drivers will suffice since RMI hardware abstraction is separated from OS.
since most computers have 1-2 NICs at the most, wouldn't that clog up the kernel with tons of drivers for hardware you'll never use?
No. If you compile your kernel the way it should; ie editing config before compiling by removing un-needed driver support and other things you do not need, you won't have to worry about compiling modules or loading modules you will not need.
On the other hand, there are generally two ways to go about this. When compiling modules and vmlinuz, you can let kernel decide what to load (shotgun approach) or compile all as module and hand pick what needs to be loaded at init or in modprobe config. Later way is the preferred method for most cases since it's good way to trim the fat and reduce modules taking up the kernel memory space and at the same time, it's easier for hardware changes may take place later on such as USB devices and upgrade etc.
Any correction on my above statement is always welcome.
is like zoo without monkey.5 04066962
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Personally I don't think it really matters if Slack includes 2.4.x or 2.6.x in stable branch because most Slackers tend to recompile kernel anyway. But when it comes down to it, it has a lot to do with initial boot and installation on legacy hardwares. My experience is that Linux kernel 2.4 just works on every hardware so far while I can't speak same for Linux kernel 2.6 due to quiet a few drops in legacy hardware support.
:P
I agree on Pat's great work, and he's such a drama queen.
You can't keep your dirty hands off your MacBook Pro, you make your laptop blush.
Think Dirty - *blush*
We just need to market it right.
"Give Aways" - bi-annual Volkswagen Jetta (or any chick car) give-away to first 100 women
"Sweapstakes" - chance to win a trip to Cancun
"Code Club" - female only club to talk about technical books, hosted by _insert_famous_geek_chick_here_
"Women's Weekly" - weekly magazine targeted toward women between age of 18 and 40 to spread useful info and geek gosps and dirts
"OMG!11!! Brad Pitt is cheating on Angelina Jolie with GNOME girl!" - use ugly rumors to spike the interest
If all fail, "Life time supply of Tampon". Yes, it's nasty, but it turns away most guys, resulting in smaller gap to fill for women.
This is all about money, and where the cigarette companies lost the tobacco truth war, the oil companies are winning the global warming war.
So is Kyoto protocol. Matter of fact, oil companies makes money one way or the other. Do you really think Global Cooling will ruin the oil companies? Read my sig.
First, this is first I ever heard of package manager interfering with driver installation. Most of these package manager with RPM binaries conflicts occur when installing packages not from FC branch, mostly 3rd party with own sets of dependancies. Also users misconfiguring yum repo configs for those 3rd party. It's just too common SMP vs. UP driver installation for kernel running SMP/UP. I've seen post after post people complaining about v4l ivtv kernel module compiled for UP installed on SMP kernel and screaming bloody hell for not working properly. For wireless, it may be bit more dependancies, but yum resolves dependancies pretty smoothly already. I haven't yet seen any problem, so I can't see your point on this. I've upgraded from FC3->4->5 using yum alone and it couldn't be any simpler.
Second, I'm sure there are many FUD and debates on RPM vs DEB, but somehow, after several years of working with RPMs and packaging RPMS for my own needs, I haven't yet run into any road block big enough to switch. Matter of fact, I find RPM very useful and works perfectly great.
Third, simply that's not even close to being true. If you can't tell the difference between FC and RHEL, you do not know enough to say FC and RHEL is the same. FC and RHEL is not same, from top to bottom. Obviously similarity is there and that's where it ends. Many bleeding edge on FC will not make it on RHEL. It will be LONG before you'll see RHEL will start shipping MySQL 5 where FC5 already includes MySQL 5 in main stable branch. Try pam authenticate FC3/4/5 over Windows Active Directory (as it's been demonstrated many times to be possible). I promise you, you will not succeed with RHEL4 if you follow FC3/4/5 direction.
Two words for you. Microsoft Certification. It will all depend on the market demand and people who are certified for MS cluster. Think, Microsoft ISA.
For instance, they need to achieve a "critical mass" of users before hardware and software vendors certify their products against any Linux distribution, he explained.
Ubuntu market and RHEL market is totally different. Ubuntu is "now" heading toward Enterprise desktop environment with support, but Ubuntu had and always has been about average joe's Desktop PC while RHEL had and always has been about heavily toward Enterprise customers. So I think, by reading the article, it looks like RH is taking Ubuntu as not a competitor, but rather as a grassroot movement trying to reach that "critical mass". And to be fair, Crenshaw did point out a very good point here. That is, popularity doesn't count for the vendor certification which is the industry embracing OS distro with hardware and software for better customer support and that is what Enterprise customers look for.
Microsoft being in cluster market so late in the game, it's fair to say that MS had failed to grab the market share early on. So the statement in the article is accurate. Who knows if MS will monopolize cluster market share in coming years? But this statement is on the bull's eye.
"Linux is often associated with high-performance computing, but Windows has never achieved that on a large scale."
This has been the case for Microsoft. When Win2k Data Center edition was coming out, I was hoping better support for complete cluster suite, but wasn't satisfied with MS's offering with half baked solution and limitations. Besides, call me crazy, but 200+ cluster nodes, there is no way single Windows cluster node installation will be easier than a kickstart/NFS/bash script of RHEL cluster node. I don't know, maybe there is similar thing for Windows... I'm not a Windows guy, so I'm not sure. Please do correct me.
...get to work next is my D-Link DWL-650+ on my Thinkpad...
I've virtually gave up on it couple of years ago. NDIS wrapper was the only way to get it up and running on RH/FC/Slack and couldn't get it to work stably without reseating or rebooting. If you get it working, hopefully you'll be kind enough to let me know.
Is that why rest of the world pay so much for traditional voice line? Curious.
So it's part of China or not? "Maybe" doesn't really make much sense to me. US and UN says Taiwan is part of China, EU is saying Taiwan is not part of China, Taiwan is saying it's its own country, China is saying it's part of China. Google says it's part of China. WTF.
France
*Total Population: 60,876,136
*Internet Users: 26,214,174
China
*Total Population: 1,313,973,713
*Internet Users: 111,000,000
I think, that number speaks for itself.
*ref. from CIA World Fact Book
So Taiwan isn't part of China now? OK, I'm confused.
Can I borrow few bucks from you?
I disagree.
Having said that there is something about a fat white man with beard in a red suit. So yeah, coke is better. (FUD optional)
Now I totally agree with you on "no driver no buyer" concept. I've been pushing that ideal for years now. But there is always that "reverse engineering" vs. "code blob" from manufactures. Personally I don't like to lean on either way for reason being some reverse engineered drivers works out the best while some manufacture's binary blob works out the best. It's good that OpenBSD embraced WiFi support, I don't see how that is much better than "official" driver from WiFi card manufactures. I think, that arguement can go both way with Windows and Mac OS X as well. Once desktop PC makers include Linux/BSD distro with proper drivers, I think, that is what makes the distro/OS ahead of the game in my opinion.
Look, there is no "I" in Team or International or Institute... oh wait... it sounded clever 5 minutes ago... Oh, I hate karma...
I agree. Popping pill is the way to go. Who needs will, discipline, work ethics, morality, humanity, character, honor, sportsmanship, etc etc. Boring~
Make money quick! You can be rich like me! Come to my seminar!
Who needs discipline and work ethics when you have pills? Post babyboom American students became the weakest link in our society, not to mention ever increasing cost of schooling, depleting higher academic standards, failing teachers to educational system, disappearing stable family environment, etc.
But lets put aside those minor problems. Things like stress from reading too many books, peer pressure to have sex and drink alcohol, debilitating attention deficit syndrome, and bad eye sight, what obsticles must you go through these days?!?! The horror!
What pills won't give you is will, discipline and work ethics. That separates Franklin D. Roosevelt from Adolf Hitler. I'm not calling anyone Nazi here, but hopefully you know what I mean.
You know you are a Dilbert when staying in a job more than one year is worth a congratulatory plaque printed out from "color" printer, not a laser printer.
You know you are a Dilbert when your company policy is to refer fellow co-workers as "Team".
You know you are a Dilbert when your company IT policy covers telephone, fax and copier usage.
You know you are a Dilbert when a coffee break means a break from people around you.
You know you are a Dilbert when you spend time composing IT infrastructure proposal, 50% pretty pictures and 50% marketing buzz word conversion.
You know you are a Dilbert when you filter internal emails like spam.
You know you are a Dilbert when bandwidth hogs complain the most about slow internet access.
You know you are a Dilbert when you are one man IT department.
"Freely accessible sources, no license costs as well as optimum support of current hardware."
I thought, I'd never live long enough to see the day someone will ever say this... Look away, it's just some dust in my eyes...