And you raise an important point - storing data encodes it in some way, and we must always first learn how it is encoded before we can make real progress, and there is no way we can predict the future well enough to leave our data encoded in a future-proof way.
These people are talking about on the scale of thousands of years, the point where recovering data is a matter of "What were our ancestors like?" rather than "Oh look, a zip disk!".
Whose to say ASCII won't be outdated in the future. The very concept of digital data may be completely obscured by something rediculous like quantum data, with data being stored any other being like... receiving a million punchcards with Call of Duty 4.3, instead of a DVD.
While I agree to some extent, an advanced culture is advanced not just with it's technology, but also in the way it thinks.
I would suspect that, in the future, our ability to understand and figure things out will be far higher than it is today. Especially since the question of what a DVD is for is clear - not just to us now, but I would imagine even to someone who had no preconceived notion would be able to piece together the clues into what it might have been used for.
A reflective on one side, perfectly round disc? Looking at it under a microscope would no doubt show the presence of the "peaks and valleys" of digital data, and I think it would shortly fall into place.
Of course, a thought experiment such as this is nearly impossible to do, as I don't know anyone intelligent enough that also has never experience optical storage.
It's just that, as time passes, and our perspective of the world zooms out (coinciding with our understanding of the world), it becomes much easier to see how things are connected together. In the above example, part of the trouble with the Mayan civ is that we know so little about them and their world. It is not that they were complicated, or smarter than us, or were able to figure out things better than us (Yes, I'll see you all in 2013); the real issue is that we do not know enough about their fundamental culture in order to deduce what they were using things for. Certainly, using rope as a form of writing is an incredibly unusual way to write.
However, time marches on, and someone figured it out. Just like they will in the future.
In a way, it would be interesting if, in the future, someone did confusingly stumble across a shattered DVD, and, having analysed the data, finds a young man's porn collection, relentlessly locked down with encryption, it takes an unusually long 15 seconds to decrypt, and his reward is just the disclaimer:
"If you're reading this, I'm probably dead."
The researcher can't help but be gripped by the strange coincidences that must have lined up to bring this to him here.
Sorry, sometimes I like to write fiction.
-Red
PS. Certainly, the obvious counter to my thoughts is the human ability to look at ONLY either the forest or the trees - certainly, I've missed the "Tree" part of the "forest" when learning and figuring things out in the past, and will continue to in the future.
The other thing you can do is make living normal life immoral and illegal. The culture will keep people from complaining, and the laws will keep power distributed properly.
I've been evaluating Kubuntu for use with illiterates for a while now. The extreme ease of use initially really helps things move smoothly, and I haven't had any other problems with stability or anything like that.
I've never taken Suse seriously - it bothers me. We used it in school and it was like the Mac version of KDE. Freaked me out : )
Really though, you're better off giving them Windows. There's always something. I decided against installing Linux on a newbies computer because what little they had actually managed to learn was seared into their brain from years of suffering from misunderstandings, and they will most likely refuse to unlearn them. They WON'T go looking for the control panel, as I'm pretty sure only people who know what theyre doing go in there anyways.
The problem is that illiterates are ruled by fear, intimidation, and live by routine and predictability.
Just give them 7. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the OS, and yes, it is way better than XP.
If you want to give it a shot for the sake of the experiment, let us know your results! Give one Kubuntu, one Suse, and one 7 : )
Cisco's implementation is the most cumbersome and the most expensive. I don't truly know how useful it is compared to Aruba's, but I know that Aruba's works like a charm every time, and is automatic and fast.
Aruba Networks has support for detection and elimination of rogue AP's.
An important network that does not have wireless intrusion detection and control is definitely not protected well.
However, a proper Aruba deployment with AP's and a mobility controller can and do identify, mark, and shut down rogue APs and ad-hoc networks, as well as wireless bridges.
They cannot tell us what the value of them is - one person does not set the value of an item.
However, they can increase the value of other things they can make money from. Frankly, I don't know how they could make the theatre worth 20$, but fortunately, thats not a problem im on the board of directors to solve.
I know I'm the minority in this, but I'd really appreciate a tiny bit more Opera support. I love the improvements, but it just doesn't quite look right sometimes. I'm using Opera 9.64 on Windows Vista and on Kubuntu.
To say that "the rest of Canada agrees, so then everyone else does too" is insanity.
It is extremely common for a public body to be coerced by the french into doing something they would not otherwise do - especially considering that Montreal is the second largest city in Canada.
But they so clearly do not respect OUR culture. They want no part of our culture - they do not identify themselves as Canadians - they do not consider themselves "French Canadians" (as it were), nor even Quebecois Canadian.
They are, exclusively, from Quebec.
This is not to say that EVERY person from Quebec is a douchebag, but certainly, since the following statements are true:
1. I know more than one person who has had a bad experience visiting Quebec.
1a. One such person had a negative view of ALL CANADIANS because of it.
2. I myself have had bad experiences with french people (being someone who does not frequently have problems with people)
3. They show no interest in being helpful, negotiable, or useful in any sort of political undertaking.
4. They continue to take from the rest of Canada and give little in return.
5. Restriction the rights of non-french-people in "their" province.
And, while I certainly do apply hyperbole with a sprayer rather than a brush, (see?) the above is my basic decision towards a reasonable dislike of French Canadians.
They do not allow businesses to have anything other than french as the dominant language on a sign, including regulations such as maxiumum ratio of size between the english and french that is on the sign.
Their laws are, to me, horribly unconstitutional - sadly their higher population prevents the rest of us from simply sending them into the ocean (intermediary land notwithstanding).
As a Canadian, I would like to make it very, very clear that the rest of Canada, especially here in BC, have absolutely no patience, concern, or otherwise good will towards anyone who would consider them "Quebecois".
Those responsible for creating the idea that we are in any way supportive of our irritating french neighbours, have been sacked.
Im sure, in a world where a car is built almost entirely by machines, that we can find a way to build a cultivating machine that comes from the ceiling or walls, rather than from a huge machine.
I think its a very interesting idea, and that he should be encouraged - at least hes out there, trying to solve a problem.
If it works, itll be easier to bring in crops locally, rather having to ship everything 500 miles before it even sees a single person.
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Think of architecture.
And you raise an important point - storing data encodes it in some way, and we must always first learn how it is encoded before we can make real progress, and there is no way we can predict the future well enough to leave our data encoded in a future-proof way.
Whose to say ASCII won't be outdated in the future. The very concept of digital data may be completely obscured by something rediculous like quantum data, with data being stored any other being like... receiving a million punchcards with Call of Duty 4.3, instead of a DVD.
I would suspect that, in the future, our ability to understand and figure things out will be far higher than it is today. Especially since the question of what a DVD is for is clear - not just to us now, but I would imagine even to someone who had no preconceived notion would be able to piece together the clues into what it might have been used for.
A reflective on one side, perfectly round disc? Looking at it under a microscope would no doubt show the presence of the "peaks and valleys" of digital data, and I think it would shortly fall into place.
Of course, a thought experiment such as this is nearly impossible to do, as I don't know anyone intelligent enough that also has never experience optical storage.
It's just that, as time passes, and our perspective of the world zooms out (coinciding with our understanding of the world), it becomes much easier to see how things are connected together. In the above example, part of the trouble with the Mayan civ is that we know so little about them and their world. It is not that they were complicated, or smarter than us, or were able to figure out things better than us (Yes, I'll see you all in 2013); the real issue is that we do not know enough about their fundamental culture in order to deduce what they were using things for. Certainly, using rope as a form of writing is an incredibly unusual way to write.
However, time marches on, and someone figured it out. Just like they will in the future.
In a way, it would be interesting if, in the future, someone did confusingly stumble across a shattered DVD, and, having analysed the data, finds a young man's porn collection, relentlessly locked down with encryption, it takes an unusually long 15 seconds to decrypt, and his reward is just the disclaimer:
"If you're reading this, I'm probably dead."
The researcher can't help but be gripped by the strange coincidences that must have lined up to bring this to him here.
Sorry, sometimes I like to write fiction.
-Red
PS. Certainly, the obvious counter to my thoughts is the human ability to look at ONLY either the forest or the trees - certainly, I've missed the "Tree" part of the "forest" when learning and figuring things out in the past, and will continue to in the future.
The other thing you can do is make living normal life immoral and illegal. The culture will keep people from complaining, and the laws will keep power distributed properly.
I've never taken Suse seriously - it bothers me. We used it in school and it was like the Mac version of KDE. Freaked me out : )
Really though, you're better off giving them Windows. There's always something. I decided against installing Linux on a newbies computer because what little they had actually managed to learn was seared into their brain from years of suffering from misunderstandings, and they will most likely refuse to unlearn them. They WON'T go looking for the control panel, as I'm pretty sure only people who know what theyre doing go in there anyways.
The problem is that illiterates are ruled by fear, intimidation, and live by routine and predictability.
Just give them 7. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the OS, and yes, it is way better than XP.
If you want to give it a shot for the sake of the experiment, let us know your results! Give one Kubuntu, one Suse, and one 7 : )
-Red
Cisco's implementation is the most cumbersome and the most expensive. I don't truly know how useful it is compared to Aruba's, but I know that Aruba's works like a charm every time, and is automatic and fast.
Kubuntu can do lots of cool stuff I like.
So, I use both.
An important network that does not have wireless intrusion detection and control is definitely not protected well.
However, a proper Aruba deployment with AP's and a mobility controller can and do identify, mark, and shut down rogue APs and ad-hoc networks, as well as wireless bridges.
I am not terribly worried.
-Red
Very well said sir. Mod parent up.
Reallll Cool.
Sorry, you must be new here.
It has since been mirrored elsewhere though.
Though, I'm still only in my mid 20's.
They cannot tell us what the value of them is - one person does not set the value of an item.
However, they can increase the value of other things they can make money from. Frankly, I don't know how they could make the theatre worth 20$, but fortunately, thats not a problem im on the board of directors to solve.
-Red
It is extremely common for a public body to be coerced by the french into doing something they would not otherwise do - especially considering that Montreal is the second largest city in Canada.
Thats what Russian sounds like.
Anytime anyone wants to "protect" one idea from another idea, the opposite is true.
They are, exclusively, from Quebec.
This is not to say that EVERY person from Quebec is a douchebag, but certainly, since the following statements are true:
1. I know more than one person who has had a bad experience visiting Quebec.
1a. One such person had a negative view of ALL CANADIANS because of it.
2. I myself have had bad experiences with french people (being someone who does not frequently have problems with people)
3. They show no interest in being helpful, negotiable, or useful in any sort of political undertaking.
4. They continue to take from the rest of Canada and give little in return.
5. Restriction the rights of non-french-people in "their" province.
And, while I certainly do apply hyperbole with a sprayer rather than a brush, (see?) the above is my basic decision towards a reasonable dislike of French Canadians.
They do not allow businesses to have anything other than french as the dominant language on a sign, including regulations such as maxiumum ratio of size between the english and french that is on the sign.
Their laws are, to me, horribly unconstitutional - sadly their higher population prevents the rest of us from simply sending them into the ocean (intermediary land notwithstanding).
-Red
Those responsible for creating the idea that we are in any way supportive of our irritating french neighbours, have been sacked.
-The Canadians
/t 15g
If only we had some kind of filtration system, that could clean the air.
I think its a very interesting idea, and that he should be encouraged - at least hes out there, trying to solve a problem.
If it works, itll be easier to bring in crops locally, rather having to ship everything 500 miles before it even sees a single person.
-Fred