Nice challenge, but they destroy evidence that could prove a persons innocense after they execute them.
Clears up a lot of loose ends.
In fact, there is a jurisdiction somewhere in the US that is fighting the family of an executed prisoner over evidence the family claims will exonerate him.
If there were more proof of falsely executed prisoners reaching the media, the whole house of cards would come crashing down around supporters of the death penalty.
With the exception of the USSC Chief Justice. Reinquist believes that if an innocent person is executed it is still an acceptable price to pay for "justice".
A better challenge, therefore, would be to ask whether *you* would like to be that "acceptable price"?
Two comments just underscore how clueless Forbes is on the technology front.
"For months, in secret, the Free Software Foundation,"
So secret, in fact, that they have a webpage (www.gnu.org), and have regular speaking engagements. What sneaky people these FSF folks are.
"But the Free Software Foundation doesn't want royalties--it wants you to burn down your house, or at the very least share it with cloners."
Sure. You come to my property, steal my lumber, build a house out of it, and now you complain when I ask you to return the lumber?
You are too funny. You seem to think that someone can violate a copyright and refuse to acknowledge the owner's call for settlement.
Your equally clueless attempt to make an 'apples to apples' comparison of your thesis to the current litigation between SCO and IBM fell short as well. You discussed the case in your intro as if it had *anything* to do with the current dispute between Cisco and the FSF. Here's some free (as in software) clues:
1) SCO has yet to make any attempt to ask the Linux community to comply with their *alleged* copyright infringement. Note the difference between this case and the Cisco v. FSF issue. You wrote the article; can't you see the difference? If SCO provides the information to the Linux developers, the infringing code would be removed. This is what FSF is asking Cisco to do.
2) Linux is the kernel developed by Linus Torvalds. The FSF was created nearly seven years *before* Linus started the development of his kernel. Linux and GNU (the FSF software suite) are symbiotic, but not specifically related. You might try your homework before attempting to cast such a wide conspiracy net. The FSF software can be found in *BSD as well. It is probably integrated in Microsoft's operating system, but we may never know because it is proprietary and any copyright infringement will stay buried until the code is released from copyright. In short, Linux is certainly dependant on GNU and the FSF, but that is an artifact of where the available software was at the time of Linux's development. It is not the conspiracy you imply.
3) Free software doesn't mean public domain. The people who contribute to open source and free software organizations do so because they get more from it than by attempting to reinvent the wheel alone. They expect that other people will respect that tradition and give back from where they take. I know you see Marxist philosophy all over this effort, but you could also paint the settlers of the American West with the same brush. Free software and open source software continue the tradition of community development in the same spirit as a barn raising. Every able-bodied man would congregate on one farmers property to help that family assemble their barn knowing that they could, in turn, count on their neighbors for help when their turn came. Hardly the Marxist comparison you hoped for, eh?
3) Since free software and open source developers contribute to the community effort, they retain their copyright (you know, copyright law). They do not give poachers the right to take software written for a code-sharing organization to be their own exclusive property. The creative commons approach requires that everyone who takes must give back *their* contribution. Either that or they can GO MAKE THEIR OWN CODE. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
I'm glad my subscription to Forbes is lapsing this month. I can't see your rag providing me, or anyone, with any useful technology investment information.
Because it is clear that you don't understand technology.
This is exactly the kind of shit that keeps us from doing anything.... KNOCK IT OFF!
I think the parent poster was merely describing the political map as it stands. Yes, there are reps from Texas who have an interest in increased space spending. But just about every state has an interest in a beefed up space program. Boeing, from my home state, has an incredible interest in increased aerospace spending.
I think his point was, without putting words in his mouth, that there are many interests in this proposal and that voters from all the states need to kick their reps in the ass and get them to sponsor this bill.
I'm currently running Mozilla Firebird without javascript support. Every time I install the plugin, the browser crashes at the first sniff of a java applet. I had to remove the java stuff just to get my browser to work.
And despite all of that, I can still websurf with only minor inconvenience.
Ahhh.... The refreshing feeling of legal compliance!
The number of electrical devices one OWNS is irrelevant.
You missed the point entirely if that is your primary objection.
Because I didn't get their message via drumbeat, I can assume that they used a computer, a modem (possibly the one in their computer), the lights in their office/home/dorm, and the batteries of the telephone company, or the cable company's signal modulation system. You can also count the watts that the ISP uses in keeping themselves operating as part of the load, the electricity used by the computer manufacturer, the electricity used by their suppliers......
Need I go on?
Sure, one person can save a few watts by keeping the house a little warmer or cooler depending on the season, can turn on lights only when they are needed and only turn on the TV when they watch it, but that is a drop in a vast ocean of energy usage. Laudable goals, but the entire manufacturing structure world-wide would need an overhaul to net any significant savings.
But my point was that there are supply-chain calculations that never get considered when someone starts in with the "America, the Land of the Wasteful" arguments.
And America isn't the only one who uses electricity. Nor are American's particularly wasteful in their energy use (in efficiency terms).
Software is developed in the process of basic research. The government either owns outright, or reserves the right to use in most cases, all software developed under contract paid for by public funds.
That is how my employers contract is written. That is a basic understanding for government contracting.
Now service contracts with the government where software is developed may be another matter. That is a grey area that is usually negotiated with the vendor before the contract is let.
I could give a shit whether the FBI, CIA, or the neighborhood criminal knows the contents of my pantry. If they know that I have 4 boxes of crackers and 3 boxes of shells and cheese, I am not going to lose any sleep.
If they want interrogate my house to look for consumer electronic, guns, books, etc., then I am putting a Faraday cage around my house.
My brother got his SCO certification due entirely to the fact that the religious merchandise company he worked for used it for their POS system.
He hated it and only learned as much as he needed to fix a reoccurring problem that brought the system down about every other week.
Judging from the experiences I've read on Slashdot from other more experienced SCO admins, he learned about all he could without completely wasting his life.
I heard a newsbrief on NPR this morning about IBM's countersuit. It was almost on the mark about what's at stake with the exception that it inferred that SCO's UNIX was deployed on alot more systems worldwide than it actually is.
SCO is just one of the Linux players that are part of Canopy's portfolio. There is also Linux Networx and Trolltech. Although Trolltech APIs are used by several Linux-related developers, there hasn't been much hostility from them directed toward the Open Source Community despite Trolltech's technology being proprietary.
I know that a huge pissing match ensued between Gnome and KDE over the use of a proprietary technology in a Linux GUI, and perhaps now is the time for that relationship to be reviewed (in the light of Canopy's behavior). Should those APIs be rewritten in an attempt to dump Qt, or is that over-reacting?
Also, Linux Networx is a cluster service provider. How long until they start suing IBM and HP for some spurious claim?
I trust Canopy about as far as I can toss the collective carcasses of the entire Board of Directors.
Slashdot Mirror
And this is the reply I received:
"I am out of the office from Monday, November 3 thru Friday, November 7 returning
on Monday 11/10/03....."
I think Howard will have a full mailbox come November 10th.
Nice challenge, but they destroy evidence that could prove a persons innocense after they execute them.
Clears up a lot of loose ends.
In fact, there is a jurisdiction somewhere in the US that is fighting the family of an executed prisoner over evidence the family claims will exonerate him.
If there were more proof of falsely executed prisoners reaching the media, the whole house of cards would come crashing down around supporters of the death penalty.
With the exception of the USSC Chief Justice. Reinquist believes that if an innocent person is executed it is still an acceptable price to pay for "justice".
A better challenge, therefore, would be to ask whether *you* would like to be that "acceptable price"?
Well would ya punk!?!
Ritzville!!?!!
He might as well run for mayor of Moses Lake!
At least it appears on a map!
Two comments just underscore how clueless Forbes is on the technology front.
"For months, in secret, the Free Software Foundation,"
So secret, in fact, that they have a webpage (www.gnu.org), and have regular speaking engagements. What sneaky people these FSF folks are.
"But the Free Software Foundation doesn't want royalties--it wants you to burn down your house, or at the very least share it with cloners."
Sure. You come to my property, steal my lumber, build a house out of it, and now you complain when I ask you to return the lumber?
You are too funny. You seem to think that someone can violate a copyright and refuse to acknowledge the owner's call for settlement.
Your equally clueless attempt to make an 'apples to apples' comparison of your thesis to the current litigation between SCO and IBM fell short as well. You discussed the case in your intro as if it had *anything* to do with the current dispute between Cisco and the FSF. Here's some free (as in software) clues:
1) SCO has yet to make any attempt to ask the Linux community to comply with their *alleged* copyright infringement. Note the difference between this case and the Cisco v. FSF issue. You wrote the article; can't you see the difference? If SCO provides the information to the Linux developers, the infringing code would be removed. This is what FSF is asking Cisco to do.
2) Linux is the kernel developed by Linus Torvalds. The FSF was created nearly seven years *before* Linus started the development of his kernel. Linux and GNU (the FSF software suite) are symbiotic, but not specifically related. You might try your homework before attempting to cast such a wide conspiracy net. The FSF software can be found in *BSD as well. It is probably integrated in Microsoft's operating system, but we may never know because it is proprietary and any copyright infringement will stay buried until the code is released from copyright. In short, Linux is certainly dependant on GNU and the FSF, but that is an artifact of where the available software was at the time of Linux's development. It is not the conspiracy you imply.
3) Free software doesn't mean public domain. The people who contribute to open source and free software organizations do so because they get more from it than by attempting to reinvent the wheel alone. They expect that other people will respect that tradition and give back from where they take. I know you see Marxist philosophy all over this effort, but you could also paint the settlers of the American West with the same brush. Free software and open source software continue the tradition of community development in the same spirit as a barn raising. Every able-bodied man would congregate on one farmers property to help that family assemble their barn knowing that they could, in turn, count on their neighbors for help when their turn came. Hardly the Marxist comparison you hoped for, eh?
3) Since free software and open source developers contribute to the community effort, they retain their copyright (you know, copyright law). They do not give poachers the right to take software written for a code-sharing organization to be their own exclusive property. The creative commons approach requires that everyone who takes must give back *their* contribution. Either that or they can GO MAKE THEIR OWN CODE. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
I'm glad my subscription to Forbes is lapsing this month. I can't see your rag providing me, or anyone, with any useful technology investment information.
Because it is clear that you don't understand technology.
This is exactly the kind of shit that keeps us from doing anything.... KNOCK IT OFF!
I think the parent poster was merely describing the political map as it stands. Yes, there are reps from Texas who have an interest in increased space spending. But just about every state has an interest in a beefed up space program. Boeing, from my home state, has an incredible interest in increased aerospace spending.
I think his point was, without putting words in his mouth, that there are many interests in this proposal and that voters from all the states need to kick their reps in the ass and get them to sponsor this bill.
Do you mean without Java support, or without Javascript support?
Quite right.... I mean javascript support.
mea culpa
I'm currently running Mozilla Firebird without javascript support. Every time I install the plugin, the browser crashes at the first sniff of a java applet. I had to remove the java stuff just to get my browser to work.
And despite all of that, I can still websurf with only minor inconvenience.
Ahhh.... The refreshing feeling of legal compliance!
Your Second Law depends on a closed system.
Prove the universe is a closed system.
Entropy only increases in a closed system.
Fatal creationist arguments.
Prove that the universe is a closed system and I'll agree that enregy is limited.
The number of electrical devices one OWNS is irrelevant.
You missed the point entirely if that is your primary objection.
Because I didn't get their message via drumbeat, I can assume that they used a computer, a modem (possibly the one in their computer), the lights in their office/home/dorm, and the batteries of the telephone company, or the cable company's signal modulation system. You can also count the watts that the ISP uses in keeping themselves operating as part of the load, the electricity used by the computer manufacturer, the electricity used by their suppliers......
Need I go on?
Sure, one person can save a few watts by keeping the house a little warmer or cooler depending on the season, can turn on lights only when they are needed and only turn on the TV when they watch it, but that is a drop in a vast ocean of energy usage. Laudable goals, but the entire manufacturing structure world-wide would need an overhaul to net any significant savings.
But my point was that there are supply-chain calculations that never get considered when someone starts in with the "America, the Land of the Wasteful" arguments.
And America isn't the only one who uses electricity. Nor are American's particularly wasteful in their energy use (in efficiency terms).
I was wondering whether anyone would see it.
List the types and the quantity of electrical devices YOU own before getting all amped up about CONSERVATION.
How about "happened before"?
The Con Edison Power Failure of July 13 and 14, 1977
The answer is obvious: SCO
Hmmmm..... IBM is Animal House?
I don't know about that one. I can't see ANY IBM executive being from Animal House.
Deltas don't wear hose suspenders.
The 25th Anniversary DVD will be released soon.
Software is developed in the process of basic research. The government either owns outright, or reserves the right to use in most cases, all software developed under contract paid for by public funds.
That is how my employers contract is written. That is a basic understanding for government contracting.
Now service contracts with the government where software is developed may be another matter. That is a grey area that is usually negotiated with the vendor before the contract is let.
I could give a shit whether the FBI, CIA, or the neighborhood criminal knows the contents of my pantry. If they know that I have 4 boxes of crackers and 3 boxes of shells and cheese, I am not going to lose any sleep.
If they want interrogate my house to look for consumer electronic, guns, books, etc., then I am putting a Faraday cage around my house.
Damn it!!
I haven't seen that movie yet!
Shit!!
My brother got his SCO certification due entirely to the fact that the religious merchandise company he worked for used it for their POS system.
He hated it and only learned as much as he needed to fix a reoccurring problem that brought the system down about every other week.
Judging from the experiences I've read on Slashdot from other more experienced SCO admins, he learned about all he could without completely wasting his life.
I heard a newsbrief on NPR this morning about IBM's countersuit. It was almost on the mark about what's at stake with the exception that it inferred that SCO's UNIX was deployed on alot more systems worldwide than it actually is.
Absolutely great!
I only wish I could moderate this week.
Kudos.....
But Microsoft is also unwilling to indeminfy anyone from using their software.
So this argument has all the staying power of earlier anti-Linux FUD from Microsoft.
And as for SCO? They are history.
They do something similar at Grand Coulee Dam in central Washington State. They perform a laser light show on the spillway.
SCO is just one of the Linux players that are part of Canopy's portfolio. There is also Linux Networx and Trolltech. Although Trolltech APIs are used by several Linux-related developers, there hasn't been much hostility from them directed toward the Open Source Community despite Trolltech's technology being proprietary.
I know that a huge pissing match ensued between Gnome and KDE over the use of a proprietary technology in a Linux GUI, and perhaps now is the time for that relationship to be reviewed (in the light of Canopy's behavior). Should those APIs be rewritten in an attempt to dump Qt, or is that over-reacting?
Also, Linux Networx is a cluster service provider. How long until they start suing IBM and HP for some spurious claim?
I trust Canopy about as far as I can toss the collective carcasses of the entire Board of Directors.
...better get a move on. The door is open and the prospects that the stock will close below $10USD this afternoon are quite good.
Any predictions on what SCOs market cap will be at days end?
I'm betting ~105MUSD.