I never heard of the phrase before either, but once explained it seems clear to me. The scope of the two actions is not even comparable.
Blood libel was used as an excuse to persecute Jews for centuries, it simply minimizes the effect of this for Palin to compare it to herself.
It would be like comparing the hardship of carrying a bag of groceries home from the store to the struggle of Christ having to carry his own cross up to get crucified.
Maybe if you pitched it as a method to keep rednecks and fundamentalist crackpots IN, then the international community would probably think this was an amazing idea and fund the entire thing.
According to the Jewish Rabbi I heard on the radio, the use was incredibly offensive and he couldn't understand why she would say such a ridiculous thing. I guess it depended if they interviewed a Republican or Democrat rabbi.
Actually I completely agree with every example you give. These were all done under Bush who should have been tried and convicted of war crimes. He did nothing but lie and deceive in his entire horrid 8 years (I still cant believe people were STUPID enough to vote him in a second term). Incompetent moron doesn't begin to describe him. Cheney and Rumsfeld should have been taken out and shot as well.
Ridiculous. You're reading too much into this. Whenever I give an example that refutes what you say, you just say the feds broke the law. If that were the case they really are a bunch of criminals aren't they?
The constitution delegates specific powers to the federal government, and reserves everything else for the state governments.
So anything not explicitly listed as under federal domain, they cannot do? What about homeland security? Was it in the Constitution that the feds can wiretap peoples homes? I doubt it. So that means each state decided wiretapping? What about deciding where citizens can and cannot travel to, or setting up the FAA? I doubt all these are explicitly listed.
First you stated the word 'engineer' is not protected, it clearly is. There is a whole world out there beyond your direct knowledge and just because you think it is so doesn't mean it is.
So does an MCSE require a PE license?
This has been contested in court. the MSCE is a title and is outside regulation. If an MSCE were to advertise themselves simply as an Engineer, then they would be violating the law.
IT is not regulated and those rules/laws/certs don't apply to Systems Engineers, Microsoft Engineers, Cisco Engineers, Building Engineers, etc.
Depends where you are. System Engineering and Software Engineering are defined disciplines in Engineering that you can get a degree and a licence in (I am a registered Systems Engineer). Therefore these labels are protected. Any label not protected (like Cisco Engineer or Microsoft Engineer\) is free to use as long as they do not claim they are a Professional Engineer - i.e. they have the keep the phrase together.
IT is still new for regulation so some areas do not protect these titles.
My point, and most others on this site, is that pretty much anyone can (legally) call themselves an engineer without facing any consequences from the law. Whether you feel they can call themselves an engineer or not is moot and a subjective point.
Clearly untrue.
You know they have this thing called Google nowadays that helps you find things on your own.
An independent crown corporation is not exactly independent.
Why? The government is not involved and it means they cannot be *bought* by the advertisers which you see so much of in the US.
A set of newspapers owned by a person, whom apparently wants to be a politician, is not good.
Until that person actually becomes a politician at which point he will have to separate himself from his business then nothing can be done. You prefer a president that is heavily invested in oil and gives ridiculous perks to his friends in the oil industry (who incidentally made a lot of money off of a bullshit war)?
A politician who is a newspaper column writer is not independent.
A column writer is basically an opinion piece. Whats wrong with stating an opinion?
Says anyone who doesn't instantly understand why its relevant.
It is completely irrelevant that some people mistakenly believe the federal government is somehow evil and going to take their guns away, but the local government is a bunch of altruistic angels. That sort of drivel is irrelevant.
There's a lot of things the federal government could theoretically do more efficiently than having each state roll their own but the federal government isn't empowered to do it for some reason...
Because people stupidly think the local yokel they vote in to local government who has no education somehow represents the local interests better, and whatever those idiots do in *other* states can't possibly apply to my state since we're so much better and different than they are. That attitude is the *ONLY* reason people prefer local over federal.
Irrelevant. You seem to assume that your local government is more trustworthy than the federal government. Personally I'd rather have a lower cost federal system than paying ofr it multiple times at the state lever.
Regardless, the article state this is to be private run, not government.
Can't believe this drivel and fear mongering was labelled insightful. Read the article. Here are the key phrases: Optional. Anonymity guaranteed. Not a National ID card. Private sector run.
It's not my role to convince you of my point of view. I've stated what I believe to be right, you disagree, thats it. I don't feel the need to have everyone to think the same as I do.
Agreed that software engineering is not as widespread protected and regulated as other types of typical engineering, but it is in many jurisdictions including mine. It should be protected everywhere to prevent confusion.
Are you for real? How about Canada, Australia, England? These countries have open press and the leaders of these countries regularly walk into crowds without fear of getting shot. The only time a US president would ever wade into a crown would be if the crowd was pre-screeened.
I would say the opposite - countries with little or no gun control laws typically also have freedom repressed. Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan. Guns (a lot of guns) are readily available to any religious crazy that want them, and freedom itself is very limited. Kinda like a bunch of crazy fundamentalist Republicans.
Ok, you ask for a citation but exclude the ones I've already listed. How about this one:
II. Does an engineer have to have a PE to practice?
The following people must have a PE license to practice [Mullins]:
o Anyone who offers engineering services to the public.
o Anyone who advertises one's self as an "engineer."
o Half of the principals (i.e. owners) of a company that
offers engineering services to the public.
o Half of the principals of a company that wants to use
the term "engineer" in its name.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/engineering/pe-eit-exam/
I'm amazed at the number of people with the attitude 'I've never heard of that so that can't be right.' Or 'That's not true - my cousins friend Bob never did that in his life!'. There's a bigger world out there than you know and your knowledge of it is not all encompassing. It's amazing how many people will not admit that they don't know everything.
Ok so fair enough. Technically speaking you could say this means the term "engineer" is regulated. But with such a broad exemption, the result is that only a limited set of activities are regulated.
Most consumer grade encryption is basically pointless in the ease it can be cracked. It's like a lock on a car door. If you want in you'll get in easily - it just stops the idle passer by from poking around inside.
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No EXT support until 2009? This was in OpenGL in version 1.4 released in 2002. I knew they were behind but geez that's ridiculous.
OpenGL is now on version 4.1 and EXT support is long, long obsolete.
I never heard of the phrase before either, but once explained it seems clear to me. The scope of the two actions is not even comparable.
Blood libel was used as an excuse to persecute Jews for centuries, it simply minimizes the effect of this for Palin to compare it to herself.
It would be like comparing the hardship of carrying a bag of groceries home from the store to the struggle of Christ having to carry his own cross up to get crucified.
Maybe if you pitched it as a method to keep rednecks and fundamentalist crackpots IN, then the international community would probably think this was an amazing idea and fund the entire thing.
According to the Jewish Rabbi I heard on the radio, the use was incredibly offensive and he couldn't understand why she would say such a ridiculous thing. I guess it depended if they interviewed a Republican or Democrat rabbi.
Actually I completely agree with every example you give. These were all done under Bush who should have been tried and convicted of war crimes. He did nothing but lie and deceive in his entire horrid 8 years (I still cant believe people were STUPID enough to vote him in a second term). Incompetent moron doesn't begin to describe him. Cheney and Rumsfeld should have been taken out and shot as well.
Ridiculous. You're reading too much into this. Whenever I give an example that refutes what you say, you just say the feds broke the law. If that were the case they really are a bunch of criminals aren't they?
Are you seriously saying the original text that I listed is Hebrew? What I listed was English. It's also almost unreadable.
The constitution delegates specific powers to the federal government, and reserves everything else for the state governments.
So anything not explicitly listed as under federal domain, they cannot do? What about homeland security? Was it in the Constitution that the feds can wiretap peoples homes? I doubt it. So that means each state decided wiretapping? What about deciding where citizens can and cannot travel to, or setting up the FAA? I doubt all these are explicitly listed.
First you stated the word 'engineer' is not protected, it clearly is. There is a whole world out there beyond your direct knowledge and just because you think it is so doesn't mean it is.
So does an MCSE require a PE license?
This has been contested in court. the MSCE is a title and is outside regulation. If an MSCE were to advertise themselves simply as an Engineer, then they would be violating the law.
IT is not regulated and those rules/laws/certs don't apply to Systems Engineers, Microsoft Engineers, Cisco Engineers, Building Engineers, etc.
Depends where you are. System Engineering and Software Engineering are defined disciplines in Engineering that you can get a degree and a licence in (I am a registered Systems Engineer). Therefore these labels are protected. Any label not protected (like Cisco Engineer or Microsoft Engineer\) is free to use as long as they do not claim they are a Professional Engineer - i.e. they have the keep the phrase together.
IT is still new for regulation so some areas do not protect these titles.
Please provide a government document, a code, ordinance, statute, etc (you know, a law) that states a person cannot call themselves an engineer
Here you go. http://mainelegislature.org/legis/bills/bills_124th/billpdfs/HP018001.pdf
Please provide a specific instance where this is a punishable offense.
And here: http://www.pels.ca.gov/consumers/convicted.shtml
My point, and most others on this site, is that pretty much anyone can (legally) call themselves an engineer without facing any consequences from the law. Whether you feel they can call themselves an engineer or not is moot and a subjective point.
Clearly untrue.
You know they have this thing called Google nowadays that helps you find things on your own.
The constitution says the federal government can help setup guidelines for a service provided privately? Really? Please show me where..
An independent crown corporation is not exactly independent.
Why? The government is not involved and it means they cannot be *bought* by the advertisers which you see so much of in the US.
A set of newspapers owned by a person, whom apparently wants to be a politician, is not good.
Until that person actually becomes a politician at which point he will have to separate himself from his business then nothing can be done. You prefer a president that is heavily invested in oil and gives ridiculous perks to his friends in the oil industry (who incidentally made a lot of money off of a bullshit war)?
A politician who is a newspaper column writer is not independent.
A column writer is basically an opinion piece. Whats wrong with stating an opinion?
Says anyone who doesn't instantly understand why its relevant.
It is completely irrelevant that some people mistakenly believe the federal government is somehow evil and going to take their guns away, but the local government is a bunch of altruistic angels. That sort of drivel is irrelevant.
There's a lot of things the federal government could theoretically do more efficiently than having each state roll their own but the federal government isn't empowered to do it for some reason...
Because people stupidly think the local yokel they vote in to local government who has no education somehow represents the local interests better, and whatever those idiots do in *other* states can't possibly apply to my state since we're so much better and different than they are. That attitude is the *ONLY* reason people prefer local over federal.
Irrelevant. You seem to assume that your local government is more trustworthy than the federal government. Personally I'd rather have a lower cost federal system than paying ofr it multiple times at the state lever.
Regardless, the article state this is to be private run, not government.
Can't believe this drivel and fear mongering was labelled insightful. Read the article. Here are the key phrases: Optional. Anonymity guaranteed. Not a National ID card. Private sector run.
It's not my role to convince you of my point of view. I've stated what I believe to be right, you disagree, thats it. I don't feel the need to have everyone to think the same as I do.
Agreed that software engineering is not as widespread protected and regulated as other types of typical engineering, but it is in many jurisdictions including mine. It should be protected everywhere to prevent confusion.
Here's a step in the right direction: http://www.peo.on.ca/enforcement/Quebec_MS_April2004.pdf
Are you for real? How about Canada, Australia, England? These countries have open press and the leaders of these countries regularly walk into crowds without fear of getting shot. The only time a US president would ever wade into a crown would be if the crowd was pre-screeened.
I would say the opposite - countries with little or no gun control laws typically also have freedom repressed. Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan. Guns (a lot of guns) are readily available to any religious crazy that want them, and freedom itself is very limited. Kinda like a bunch of crazy fundamentalist Republicans.
Ok, you ask for a citation but exclude the ones I've already listed. How about this one: II. Does an engineer have to have a PE to practice? The following people must have a PE license to practice [Mullins]: o Anyone who offers engineering services to the public. o Anyone who advertises one's self as an "engineer." o Half of the principals (i.e. owners) of a company that offers engineering services to the public. o Half of the principals of a company that wants to use the term "engineer" in its name.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/engineering/pe-eit-exam/
I'm amazed at the number of people with the attitude 'I've never heard of that so that can't be right.' Or 'That's not true - my cousins friend Bob never did that in his life!'. There's a bigger world out there than you know and your knowledge of it is not all encompassing. It's amazing how many people will not admit that they don't know everything.
Yes.
Ok so fair enough. Technically speaking you could say this means the term "engineer" is regulated. But with such a broad exemption, the result is that only a limited set of activities are regulated.
Yes and software engineering is one of them..
No it's not. The argument here has been over whether or not the title of "Engineer" is regulated. It's not.
Ok then, please explain this: In many countries such as Canada, South Africa and the United States, laws exist that limit the use of job titles containing the word "engineer". http://www.museumstuff.com/learn/topics/Professional_Engineer::sub::Title_Usage
back at ya.
Most consumer grade encryption is basically pointless in the ease it can be cracked. It's like a lock on a car door. If you want in you'll get in easily - it just stops the idle passer by from poking around inside.
See here: http://www.museumstuff.com/learn/topics/Professional_Engineer::sub::Title_Usage