I think it should be obvious to anyone that killing a bunch of people and letting them keep their country is quite a bit better than killing a bunch of people and stealing part of teir country.
Furthermore as far as recent history goes, in Afgahnistan we were attacked first. As far as Iraq goes, I was a hundred percent against going into that shitfest but at the very least we did overthrough a brutal dictator (gassed his own people in large numbers) and set up a republic. It's all turned out like crap but it was certainly better than annexing their country.
"The assertion was that Russia lent money to Trump in some master plan to make the POTUS dependent on Russia. That's ludicrous because a presidential win by Trump was so extremely unlikely."
Not if Russia were doing a variety of other things to get Trump elected like say, hacking the DNC to get dirt on Hilary. Sure, it was a gamble for them but the candidate they clearly wanted to lose lost and now we have a president who seems to want to start a bro-mance with the leader of a major US adversary.
"So? Did I claim anywhere that she did? I listed the controversies that killed her campaign, a long list of unlikely, self-inflicted wounds that Russia had no way of predicting."
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"So? Did I claim anywhere that she did? I listed the controversies that killed her campaign, a long list of unlikely, self-inflicted wounds that Russia had no way of predicting."
And wow, way to put words in my mouth. I was using the word in a casual context jackass.
None of what you say matters here anyways because not one single thing undermines the fact that a US adversary hacked the DNC with the INTENT OF UNDERMINING ONE OF OUR CANDIDATES.
Russian, a US adversary, hacked the DNC with the intention of undermining a US presidential candidate. Yes it's good the news came out but it's very very bad the way it happened. If it had been a reporter who got the info somehow and released it no one would care. It's the fact that Russia acted to take down one of our candidates and did a very good job doing it. I cant believe so many conservatives put on partisan blinders every time this comes up.
At least if the French had let the vietnamese vote they would have chosen their own government and who knows, under those conditions maybe things would have been different.
Sure, why should anyone have a problem with an adversarial foreign power meddling in our elections? It's not as if said adversarial power hacked an American political party, not with the intent of helping Americans, but with the intent of getting their person get elected but searching for any dirt they could find on the opponent.
Everything is fine here. Please move along and enroll your kids in Russian language classes please.
Who cares if it has no effect? Are you retarded? If I try to kill you but it has no effect should you be worried? You're damn right you should be worried about someone is trying to kill you. Just because it didnt work doesnt mean it isnt something to worry about.
Sure, let's mention a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the topic. You sure look clever here and not like a halfwit.
Hillary was not a good candidate by a long shot but did nothing wrong by legal standards. Writing off meddling in our election by an adversarial foreign power is downright treasonous as far as I'm concerned.
No, it's the cold war again because Russia invades any free and independent country near its boarders that tries to go pro west and territories like Chechnya have impossible elections where 95% of their population votes and 95% vote pro Russia. No populace is so united, particularly in a region known for it resentment towards Russia.
The US couldn't even influence Russian elections the way they do ours because there's aren't anywhere near honest.
So the Russians went about looking for dirt by hacking the DNC. I feel it is pretty safe to say it was not altruism that prompted the Russian hacks and therefore, while they did uncover shady practices (although everything was perfectly legal) that it was indeed an effort to change out election results in their favor.
Honestly, how can you rationalize it in any other manner? Do you really think Russia was hacking the DNC to save America? If you're a sane American and the answer is "no" then maybe you should feel uncomfortable about the candidate that did benefit. On the other hand, maybe you're Ivan.
One might also mention that Russia has just recently discovered that American's reliance on online media is an awesome way to influence elections and to a magnitude they could never have before.
The Left had a problem with US actions during the revolutions in Iran because we overthrew a democraticaly elected government and installed a dictator. When the Iranians found out they went apeshit which is how we got the modern day Iran and all of the problems that come with it.
The Left has had a problem with the vietnam war because of lives lossed and the fact that both the French and Americans knew that the communists would win any election that was put forward so not only were our actions antidemocratic they were doomed to failure.
Finally, the American Left has never been a fan of the South American nations you mention in any real mainstream way. ("Oh but Bernie said something nice about Venezuela once!" Shutup)
I feel conservatives get to Venezuela in a lot of things is like hiw the Underpants Gnomes from South Park got to "profit!".
Step One: Political stuff I dont like Step Two:....? Step Three: Venezuela!
In summary, there's no reason a country has to end up like Venezuela as you describe above. There's no slippery slope here where everything HAS to go to far
No one pays more then they are supposed to in taxes because any extra amount they would pay would make virtually no difference in federal tax revenue. Only an increase spread out over a large body can make a meaningfull difference.
This is exactly why all taxes are not done on voluntary basis. No one would pay them and yet most people believe that the federal government should collect some sort of taxes so it can exist.
He did shit for the American worker? He saved the American auto industry for starters. Let's follow that up by taking a highly depressed economy and bringing it to a much better point. I realize the unemployment rate isnt a perfect metric but taking the country from 8 or 9% to what are considered to be the very healthy levels of 4 or 5% is certainly doing something for the American worker. After that we have lower income workers who weren't lucky enough to get health care through their employer that now have access to subsidized health care at a rate many more can afford.
Considering that after year 2 Obama had a congress controlled by the opposition party whose clearly stated goal was to not govern in the country's interest but to thwart him, I think it's safe to say he did a good amount of good for the American worker.
None of your examples are as bad for teeth or consumed in place of water. The variations I'm talking about is what you brought up above, soda's effect on teeth.
Then you go on to compare a period of food scarcity to a period with relatively plentiful food? Neanderthals were chewing on bones to get to their marrow. Your comparison is irrelevant.
And none of those things were consumed at the level that tea was. Entire fortunes were made just smuggling tea into the country to avoid taxes in past centuries because it was so popular. Not so much with your other examples.
Oh sure, political incorrectness has to get involved here. You can't just mention alternate theory, you have to play the race card?
Meanwhile it seems awfully convenient that your one source not only defies consensus on the subject but also is from a source that actively labels itself along a regional agenda.
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Leaked some emails? Sure, let's just turn a blind eye to how they got them. I feel like you're being purposely naive here.
I think it should be obvious to anyone that killing a bunch of people and letting them keep their country is quite a bit better than killing a bunch of people and stealing part of teir country.
Furthermore as far as recent history goes, in Afgahnistan we were attacked first. As far as Iraq goes, I was a hundred percent against going into that shitfest but at the very least we did overthrough a brutal dictator (gassed his own people in large numbers) and set up a republic. It's all turned out like crap but it was certainly better than annexing their country.
"The assertion was that Russia lent money to Trump in some master plan to make the POTUS dependent on Russia. That's ludicrous because a presidential win by Trump was so extremely unlikely."
Not if Russia were doing a variety of other things to get Trump elected like say, hacking the DNC to get dirt on Hilary. Sure, it was a gamble for them but the candidate they clearly wanted to lose lost and now we have a president who seems to want to start a bro-mance with the leader of a major US adversary.
"So? Did I claim anywhere that she did? I listed the controversies that killed her campaign, a long list of unlikely, self-inflicted wounds that Russia had no way of predicting."
Covered above
"So? Did I claim anywhere that she did? I listed the controversies that killed her campaign, a long list of unlikely, self-inflicted wounds that Russia had no way of predicting."
And wow, way to put words in my mouth. I was using the word in a casual context jackass.
None of what you say matters here anyways because not one single thing undermines the fact that a US adversary hacked the DNC with the INTENT OF UNDERMINING ONE OF OUR CANDIDATES.
Russian, a US adversary, hacked the DNC with the intention of undermining a US presidential candidate. Yes it's good the news came out but it's very very bad the way it happened. If it had been a reporter who got the info somehow and released it no one would care. It's the fact that Russia acted to take down one of our candidates and did a very good job doing it. I cant believe so many conservatives put on partisan blinders every time this comes up.
At least if the French had let the vietnamese vote they would have chosen their own government and who knows, under those conditions maybe things would have been different.
Sure, why should anyone have a problem with an adversarial foreign power meddling in our elections? It's not as if said adversarial power hacked an American political party, not with the intent of helping Americans, but with the intent of getting their person get elected but searching for any dirt they could find on the opponent.
Everything is fine here. Please move along and enroll your kids in Russian language classes please.
Sorry but slashdot has never been what you seem to want it to be.
I bet the former Eastern Block disagrees with you thoroughly Ivan. Then let's not forget Georgia and Ukraine.
Fact is, the US hasnt annexed territory in ages. Guess who has?
Who cares if it has no effect? Are you retarded? If I try to kill you but it has no effect should you be worried? You're damn right you should be worried about someone is trying to kill you. Just because it didnt work doesnt mean it isnt something to worry about.
Sure, let's mention a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with the topic. You sure look clever here and not like a halfwit.
Hillary was not a good candidate by a long shot but did nothing wrong by legal standards. Writing off meddling in our election by an adversarial foreign power is downright treasonous as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, red state voter systems are air tight.
Give me a fucking break you over partisan jackass.
No, it's the cold war again because Russia invades any free and independent country near its boarders that tries to go pro west and territories like Chechnya have impossible elections where 95% of their population votes and 95% vote pro Russia. No populace is so united, particularly in a region known for it resentment towards Russia.
The US couldn't even influence Russian elections the way they do ours because there's aren't anywhere near honest.
So the Russians went about looking for dirt by hacking the DNC. I feel it is pretty safe to say it was not altruism that prompted the Russian hacks and therefore, while they did uncover shady practices (although everything was perfectly legal) that it was indeed an effort to change out election results in their favor.
Honestly, how can you rationalize it in any other manner? Do you really think Russia was hacking the DNC to save America? If you're a sane American and the answer is "no" then maybe you should feel uncomfortable about the candidate that did benefit. On the other hand, maybe you're Ivan.
Perhaps it wouldnt, I seriously doubt Russia's meddling in our elections is a protest movement against our past sins.
One might also mention that Russia has just recently discovered that American's reliance on online media is an awesome way to influence elections and to a magnitude they could never have before.
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Look at you here making up your own history.
The Left had a problem with US actions during the revolutions in Iran because we overthrew a democraticaly elected government and installed a dictator. When the Iranians found out they went apeshit which is how we got the modern day Iran and all of the problems that come with it.
The Left has had a problem with the vietnam war because of lives lossed and the fact that both the French and Americans knew that the communists would win any election that was put forward so not only were our actions antidemocratic they were doomed to failure.
Finally, the American Left has never been a fan of the South American nations you mention in any real mainstream way. ("Oh but Bernie said something nice about Venezuela once!" Shutup)
But Trump says Russia is our friend....
I feel conservatives get to Venezuela in a lot of things is like hiw the Underpants Gnomes from South Park got to "profit!".
Step One: Political stuff I dont like ....?
Step Two:
Step Three: Venezuela!
In summary, there's no reason a country has to end up like Venezuela as you describe above. There's no slippery slope here where everything HAS to go to far
No one pays more then they are supposed to in taxes because any extra amount they would pay would make virtually no difference in federal tax revenue. Only an increase spread out over a large body can make a meaningfull difference.
This is exactly why all taxes are not done on voluntary basis. No one would pay them and yet most people believe that the federal government should collect some sort of taxes so it can exist.
He did shit for the American worker? He saved the American auto industry for starters. Let's follow that up by taking a highly depressed economy and bringing it to a much better point. I realize the unemployment rate isnt a perfect metric but taking the country from 8 or 9% to what are considered to be the very healthy levels of 4 or 5% is certainly doing something for the American worker. After that we have lower income workers who weren't lucky enough to get health care through their employer that now have access to subsidized health care at a rate many more can afford.
Considering that after year 2 Obama had a congress controlled by the opposition party whose clearly stated goal was to not govern in the country's interest but to thwart him, I think it's safe to say he did a good amount of good for the American worker.
None of your examples are as bad for teeth or consumed in place of water. The variations I'm talking about is what you brought up above, soda's effect on teeth.
Then you go on to compare a period of food scarcity to a period with relatively plentiful food? Neanderthals were chewing on bones to get to their marrow. Your comparison is irrelevant.
And none of those things were consumed at the level that tea was. Entire fortunes were made just smuggling tea into the country to avoid taxes in past centuries because it was so popular. Not so much with your other examples.
Oh sure, political incorrectness has to get involved here. You can't just mention alternate theory, you have to play the race card?
Meanwhile it seems awfully convenient that your one source not only defies consensus on the subject but also is from a source that actively labels itself along a regional agenda.
Oh man, that Einstein, what a dummy.