No multiuser capabilities advancement?
Isn't a built-in telnet daemon and built-in terminal services (on all Server flavors) good enough for advancement?
Um...this isn't a democracy anyway. Your points are moot. If this were a democracy, we wouldn't have elected representatives and the electoral system, would we?
This has been happening since hardware acceleration was used in FPSes. Don't you people remember transparant water in Glquake? Software users had to hack their pak files to get transparency, and then it barely worked. Very easy with hardware acceleration though, and there were those that claimed that it was cheating because not all players had the option of seeing other players in the water. To me, if the game itself allows it, it allows it. I'd hardly call that cheating.
My guess is that it was an internally developed and viewed document until it was made public this week. It's amazing how many people assume the sinister simply because of the source.
Check the annual reports - their revenue is enormous, profit margins are ridiculous.
This isn't as bad as people might think...
on
Universal Access
·
· Score: 1
Yes, something like this can be used to force more work out of people, and to target people for unwanted marketing. However, there's another reason why companies are doing this... People want to work from home...they want to get their work e-mail, get their spreadsheets, their documents, etc. Corporations want to give them this...but giving them these options with people's home PCs is *very* costly in terms of support. Everyone's PC is different, different OSes, different hardware, different configurations. Helpdesks have nightmares about this kind of support. The workarounds? You could change everyone's desktop to a laptop and let them take it home...a manageability and security nightmare. You can give them a free PC. Standardized hardware, configuration, OS...very easy for Helpdesk to support. Easy to fix as well (standard filesystem/ghost images - douche and repeat). IMHO this is a good step for companies to take. Users want access from home, and giving them a free PC along with free connectivity (preferably through the employer - firewalled and logged of course:). It's manageable and secure.
Quick FYI, the upgrade that is required of MCSEs to retain their certification for Windows 2000, is free. It's a single test (only if you took the NT path during MCSE attainment, of course) If you fail it, then you have to pass the entire suite of exams and pay for it. But I'd hardly call a free upgrade exam a scam.
Not really first generation, it's based on Magic Helpdesk Solutions which NAI bought (which was at 4.0+ when they bought it I believe). Not sure how much code has been rewritten from 4 to 6...our company is actually having NAI install 6 to replace our current implementation of 4.02. The 4 version is based on a Sybase SQLAnywhere backend...which is horrible, but 6 can use SQL Server 6.5/7 or Oracle as a backend.
I'm using a Startac with the Verizon service, which includes email, instant messaging, web browsing (which works pretty well) and paging. As long as the digital service stays up it's very quick and reliable. I live in Holland, MI (down the road from the/. guys) and some of the digital coverage north of here is sparse. I'd recommend the service to anyone as long as they can get digital service in their main calling area. It isn't that expensive either...I think I'm getting 200 minutes a month for $40.
You can easily achieve more than 7.8gb via setting up the drive in another NT installation beforehand. Further, Windows 2000 doesn't have the INT13 limitation of 1024 cylinders.
Nope, sorry, it's just the 98 extensions. This DLL isn't present in just IIS 4.0, and it isn't present if you install the 2000 extensions. This DLL is only present if you install the Front Page 98 extensions.
After doing some digging, it appears that this *only* affects IIS servers running the 98 extensions. The FP 2000 extensions have been out for more than a year. I'm not being apologist, but this certainly doesn't affect the scope of servers that Russ Cooper or several people here would lead you to believe.
H:\>dir \\dntweb01\c$\dvw*.*/s Volume in drive \\dntweb01\c$ has no label. Volume Serial Number is 24B8-C93E File Not Found
H:\>dir \\dntweb01\d$\dvw*.*/s Volume in drive \\dntweb01\d$ has no label. Volume Serial Number is 6CB0-8E2D File Not Found
I run a few NT IIS 4.0 servers with the 2000 extensions (never had the 98 extensions) and none of them even have this file. Is this only with the 98 extensions?
I'll agree with your assessment of Citrix. Our original implementation was horrible...but it was done by an outside consultant who really didn't know NT as well as they espoused. We've reimplemented it using our own internal NT resources (and GSNW *instead* of Novell Client32). The results have been amazing...much faster, extremely reliable. Good product.
The 9x "kernel" is a sinking ship. Who cares if you give away the blueprints to the Titanic after it hits the iceberg? They're merging the OSes into just the NT kernel. -witz
Actually, having worked with NT systems for 3 years, I can say that hardware/driver issues cause most BSODs I have seen. Bad/flaky/subpar RAM is the most frequent cause of intermittent BSODs. I've got 25+ Proliant 1600R NT servers in my network, all running in 800x600x64K with a Cirrus video card, and not a single BSOD from any machine. Ever. So I'm a fool?
Wow, since when does a band that sells millions of albums, and has had two albums at #1 on billboard, get classified as a one-hit wonder? (Creed) Where do you get your definitions from anyway?
Just an FYI, if you're a Windows 2000 user, it does come with a driver "stress test" program of sorts, which can give you an indication beforehand if a driver is going to be problematic. I wish this were in NT 4.0.
FYI, you can upgrade that NT 4.0 certification to Win2k with one *accelerated* test that is free (for one time only, if you fail you gotta do the whole cert on your own).
Slashdot Mirror
No multiuser capabilities advancement?
Isn't a built-in telnet daemon and built-in terminal services (on all Server flavors) good enough for advancement?
Um...this isn't a democracy anyway. Your points are moot. If this were a democracy, we wouldn't have elected representatives and the electoral system, would we?
This has been happening since hardware acceleration was used in FPSes. Don't you people remember transparant water in Glquake? Software users had to hack their pak files to get transparency, and then it barely worked. Very easy with hardware acceleration though, and there were those that claimed that it was cheating because not all players had the option of seeing other players in the water.
To me, if the game itself allows it, it allows it. I'd hardly call that cheating.
My guess is that it was an internally developed and viewed document until it was made public this week. It's amazing how many people assume the sinister simply because of the source.
Check the annual reports - their revenue is enormous, profit margins are ridiculous.
Yes, something like this can be used to force more work out of people, and to target people for unwanted marketing. However, there's another reason why companies are doing this... :). It's manageable and secure.
People want to work from home...they want to get their work e-mail, get their spreadsheets, their documents, etc. Corporations want to give them this...but giving them these options with people's home PCs is *very* costly in terms of support. Everyone's PC is different, different OSes, different hardware, different configurations. Helpdesks have nightmares about this kind of support. The workarounds? You could change everyone's desktop to a laptop and let them take it home...a manageability and security nightmare. You can give them a free PC. Standardized hardware, configuration, OS...very easy for Helpdesk to support. Easy to fix as well (standard filesystem/ghost images - douche and repeat).
IMHO this is a good step for companies to take. Users want access from home, and giving them a free PC along with free connectivity (preferably through the employer - firewalled and logged of course
-witz
Quick FYI, the upgrade that is required of MCSEs to retain their certification for Windows 2000, is free. It's a single test (only if you took the NT path during MCSE attainment, of course) If you fail it, then you have to pass the entire suite of exams and pay for it. But I'd hardly call a free upgrade exam a scam.
-witz
Not really first generation, it's based on Magic Helpdesk Solutions which NAI bought (which was at 4.0+ when they bought it I believe). Not sure how much code has been rewritten from 4 to 6...our company is actually having NAI install 6 to replace our current implementation of 4.02. The 4 version is based on a Sybase SQLAnywhere backend...which is horrible, but 6 can use SQL Server 6.5/7 or Oracle as a backend.
-witz
I'm using a Startac with the Verizon service, which includes email, instant messaging, web browsing (which works pretty well) and paging. As long as the digital service stays up it's very quick and reliable. I live in Holland, MI (down the road from the /. guys) and some of the digital coverage north of here is sparse.
I'd recommend the service to anyone as long as they can get digital service in their main calling area. It isn't that expensive either...I think I'm getting 200 minutes a month for $40.
-witz
Was that supposed to be funny? Exactly what certification does "MSFC" stand for?
If you think that Slashdot lacks spin, media pressure and sensationalism, then I have some wonderful wetland in Florida I'd like to sell you...
You can easily achieve more than 7.8gb via setting up the drive in another NT installation beforehand.
Further, Windows 2000 doesn't have the INT13 limitation of 1024 cylinders.
Nope, sorry, it's just the 98 extensions. This DLL isn't present in just IIS 4.0, and it isn't present if you install the 2000 extensions. This DLL is only present if you install the Front Page 98 extensions.
After doing some digging, it appears that this *only* affects IIS servers running the 98 extensions. The FP 2000 extensions have been out for more than a year. I'm not being apologist, but this certainly doesn't affect the scope of servers that Russ Cooper or several people here would lead you to believe.
/s
/s
H:\>dir \\dntweb01\c$\dvw*.*
Volume in drive \\dntweb01\c$ has no label.
Volume Serial Number is 24B8-C93E
File Not Found
H:\>dir \\dntweb01\d$\dvw*.*
Volume in drive \\dntweb01\d$ has no label.
Volume Serial Number is 6CB0-8E2D
File Not Found
IIS 4.0 server with FP2000 extensions.
I run a few NT IIS 4.0 servers with the 2000 extensions (never had the 98 extensions) and none of them even have this file. Is this only with the 98 extensions?
-witz
I'll agree with your assessment of Citrix. Our original implementation was horrible...but it was done by an outside consultant who really didn't know NT as well as they espoused. We've reimplemented it using our own internal NT resources (and GSNW *instead* of Novell Client32). The results have been amazing...much faster, extremely reliable. Good product.
-witz
I have 30 NT machines running SP5. Every single one was set to GMT-5:00 with DST. Every single one rolled over perfectly. You're full of it.
The chkdsk lookin thing on bootup checks FAT drives.
You don't have to sign up for their service, you can use an existing ISP account.
-witz
The 9x "kernel" is a sinking ship. Who cares if you give away the blueprints to the Titanic after it hits the iceberg? They're merging the OSes into just the NT kernel. -witz
Actually, having worked with NT systems for 3 years, I can say that hardware/driver issues cause most BSODs I have seen. Bad/flaky/subpar RAM is the most frequent cause of intermittent BSODs. I've got 25+ Proliant 1600R NT servers in my network, all running in 800x600x64K with a Cirrus video card, and not a single BSOD from any machine. Ever. So I'm a fool?
Wow, since when does a band that sells millions of albums, and has had two albums at #1 on billboard, get classified as a one-hit wonder? (Creed) Where do you get your definitions from anyway?
Just an FYI, if you're a Windows 2000 user, it does come with a driver "stress test" program of sorts, which can give you an indication beforehand if a driver is going to be problematic. I wish this were in NT 4.0.
As to your comment about having to reboot Windows daily...
H:\>uptime \\dntws01
\\dntws01 has been up for: 151 day(s), 16 hour(s), 59 minute(s), 35 second(s)
H:\>uptime \\dntirc01
\\dntirc01 has been up for: 140 day(s), 17 hour(s), 58 minute(s), 50 second(s)
H:\>uptime \\dntprint01
\\dntprint01 has been up for: 127 day(s), 17 hour(s), 27 minute(s), 49 second(s)
H:\>uptime \\dntprint02
\\dntprint02 has been up for: 125 day(s), 23 hour(s), 33 minute(s), 24 second(s)
H:\>uptime \\dntdc02
\\dntdc02 has been up for: 105 day(s), 21 hour(s), 29 minute(s), 54 second(s)
H:\>uptime \\dntmgmt02
\\dntmgmt02 has been up for: 144 day(s), 20 hour(s), 57 minute(s), 19 second(s)
Each machine runs various network services (file/print/DNS/DHCP/WINS/etc) for about 1500 clients. Yep, pillars of instability, aren't they?
FYI, you can upgrade that NT 4.0 certification to Win2k with one *accelerated* test that is free (for one time only, if you fail you gotta do the whole cert on your own).