Something wrong with just licensing the one that Sun already provides for free? That provides cross-platform portability (more or less) right out of the box?
Ya cause MS pays for that license to distribute the JRE. Why do you think the JRE that comes with windows is woefully out of date? MS didn't want to renegotiate the license and pay Sun more money (that and the just want to kill the thing). If memory serves me right MS even pulled the JRE from the XP cd because Sun wanted to up the price and force them to ship the current version of the JRE.
Difference being is this. Microsoft software is made, mostly, within Microsoft. Microsoft hardware is hardware someone else makes and they just slap on a label onto it.
Ohhh.. SO close. You are almost correct in saying that someone else makes but what you really mean is that someone else manufactures it. MS does all its hardware design in house (mice, keyboards, joysticks, games pads...) and then subcontracts out the manufacturing.
Many professional programmers particularly from IBM and SUN participate to the Apache project, plus, IIS has been developed by so called professionals, well sorry, it's not particularly known for it's robustness.
hehe.. now its your turn to stop the FUD. You wouldn't by chance be a linux supported would you? Bias is the basis for FUD which your post exhibits wonderfully.
Its because the Canadian bells are in much better finical shape due to the lack of competition. The local bells up there sell local service as well as long distance. Take that and the heavy subsidies they get from the Canadian government for wiring up rural areas (a fun little scam that is getting Canada in to WTO hot water) results are that the Canuck bells are as fat as the US bells were at the beginning of the 90s. Don't worry.. form the looks of things Bell Canada is driving the price down so far that the whole system might collapse sometime soon if your economy gets any worse.
Humm maybe the lesson of this is to put into everything you ship an extra 90 pounds of ballast. That way you make sure that if can actually throw it no matter what happens your package wins.
In a past life I worked for a small software house that provided error tracking software for electronic circuit board manufacturers (think Celistica, Semions..) While our software wasn't critical it was squarely part of the mission. The clients had no problems at all shelling out for the oracle license and HP hardware to run it because to them down time was in the order of millions an hour. One plant for Intel was figured to loose 1.5 mil a hour for down time. At that scale you just cant cycle the power and hope it come up. These people aren't really concerned about price. What they want is a body. They wouldn't do ANYTHING to the box with out either first having us do the same thing in our office and test it out or having one of our support guy fly out and hold their hand.
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Actualy Transmeta is going after a very special market segment as opposed to AMD/Intel. If you go back and look at Transmeta's press release they clearly state that they are focusing on the moble market... not the high end or desktop markets that AMD and Intel are slugging it out over.
In the end most likely what is going to happen is that AMD/Intel will lose major market share to Transmeta in the moble/low power area but still retian their lead in the desktop arena.
Well, actually, his bad experience with ORBS is closer to what i know and many other sysadmins know. I am a admin at a large university and we had the ORBS people sweep down on our campus backbone like a flock of vultures and start picking it apart. The department that i work in has over 300 unix workstations all of which are directly connected to the campus backbone. The nature of the research and the size of the department does not lend its self to being closed off behind a firewall or proxy. While there could have been better ways of implementing this network, due to the academic environment (ie no money) and the constant change in staff an open environment was a natural outcome.
Some one sent in one of the machines somewhere in the university to ORBS over the summer and soon there after all hell broke lose. ORBS proceeded to scan ALL of our campus subdomain and hunt down any machine that may be used to relay mail regardless if that machine had ever been used to send spam or not. Then ORBS threatened to shut down all email from our entire domain unless the university fixed all the machines in a 2 week time frame. Well... if you ever wanted to know a quick way to piss off a 100+ admins you just hit on it. While ORBS in theory is a good idea, what they were demanding was that we "fix" a problem that never existed. True there are a few machines that are open relays but that is because they have to be open (remember the kludged nature of the network).
What my objection to is basically who made them god that they can come in and dictate terms to us? Yes i completely agree that spam is a major problem and a huge waist of resources but the tyrannical nature of ORBS is way out of line.
Needless to say we did not make the 2 week deadline but we did not get shutdown because someone some how tracked them down and talked some sense into them.
The ideal of ORBS is a good one (fight spam) but their implementation needs work.
I have to say.. surprisingly.. that USwest was actually fairly painless to deal with for my DSL connection. Now i have gone round and round with them about my POTs in the past but for some odd reason (maybe the right phase of the moon) the dsl hookup went with out a hitch. This could all be because USwest is pushing DSL like mad men to quickly recoup there investment so service right now is fairly extraordnary. When i signed up about a month a go i got the DSL install (to the outside jack) and ISP turnon (Uswest.net) for $100 and the modem for $90 (which is a CISCO 675 aka NetSpeed that connects to a 10baseT LAN). They also tossed in a free NIC card (3com PCI) and a packet of phone filters with the deal as well. They just drooped there rate for 256k up and down to 29.95 and the ISP fee is $20. So over all its a pretty good deal. No Limits on hosting or multiple computers. Only took two weeks from my phone call to service activation. The Cisco runs in routing/ppp mode with NAT and just plugs into your hub. Enable the DCHP server on the modem and the whole thing is plug and play. USwest is really targeting there offering to families with multiple computers and is pushing the "whole package" concept of POTs and Internet in one. Granted the big down side to this setup is if you want to serve anything your IP is dynamic (but mine hasnt changed since i turned it on) and you have to bore some holes in NAT to map the port numbers to LAN addresses.
"In the LINUX world of pizza, Coke, big monitors, and Chinese take-out, there is a gene pool stocked with a lot of serious and highly talented developers" humm...where can i get my big monitor . Is a check box on the red hat registration that i missed?
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yep.. like $20M sure
Something wrong with just licensing the one that Sun already provides for free? That provides cross-platform portability (more or less) right out of the box?
Ya cause MS pays for that license to distribute the JRE. Why do you think the JRE that comes with windows is woefully out of date? MS didn't want to renegotiate the license and pay Sun more money (that and the just want to kill the thing). If memory serves me right MS even pulled the JRE from the XP cd because Sun wanted to up the price and force them to ship the current version of the JRE.
Difference being is this. Microsoft software is made, mostly, within Microsoft. Microsoft hardware is hardware someone else makes and they just slap on a label onto it.
Ohhh.. SO close. You are almost correct in saying that someone else makes but what you really mean is that someone else manufactures it. MS does all its hardware design in house (mice, keyboards, joysticks, games pads...) and then subcontracts out the manufacturing.
Many professional programmers particularly from IBM and SUN participate to the Apache project, plus, IIS has been developed by so called professionals, well sorry, it's not particularly known for it's robustness.
hehe.. now its your turn to stop the FUD. You wouldn't by chance be a linux supported would you? Bias is the basis for FUD which your post exhibits wonderfully.
Its because the Canadian bells are in much better finical shape due to the lack of competition. The local bells up there sell local service as well as long distance. Take that and the heavy subsidies they get from the Canadian government for wiring up rural areas (a fun little scam that is getting Canada in to WTO hot water) results are that the Canuck bells are as fat as the US bells were at the beginning of the 90s. Don't worry.. form the looks of things Bell Canada is driving the price down so far that the whole system might collapse sometime soon if your economy gets any worse.
Humm maybe the lesson of this is to put into everything you ship an extra 90 pounds of ballast. That way you make sure that if can actually throw it no matter what happens your package wins.
Nail. Head. *WHACK*
I can give you some numbers:
In a past life I worked for a small software house that provided error tracking software for electronic circuit board manufacturers (think Celistica, Semions..) While our software wasn't critical it was squarely part of the mission. The clients had no problems at all shelling out for the oracle license and HP hardware to run it because to them down time was in the order of millions an hour. One plant for Intel was figured to loose 1.5 mil a hour for down time. At that scale you just cant cycle the power and hope it come up. These people aren't really concerned about price. What they want is a body. They wouldn't do ANYTHING to the box with out either first having us do the same thing in our office and test it out or having one of our support guy fly out and hold their hand.
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Check out where CNN filed the story. While its not exactly your normal technology sotry given enought time it might be.
Why didn't you drop an email to CNN's people, lettig them know about this problem?
He did actualy. check his web page.
, if we ever want to stop this idea that all computer people are "hacker doodz"
Whats wrong with being a "Hacker d00d"? Hell thats the whole reason i became a sysadmin.
Actualy Transmeta is going after a very special market segment as opposed to AMD/Intel. If you go back and look at Transmeta's press release they clearly state that they are focusing on the moble market... not the high end or desktop markets that AMD and Intel are slugging it out over.
In the end most likely what is going to happen is that AMD/Intel will lose major market share to Transmeta in the moble/low power area but still retian their lead in the desktop arena.
Well, actually, his bad experience with ORBS is closer to what i know and many other sysadmins know. I am a admin at a large university and we had the ORBS people sweep down on our campus backbone like a flock of vultures and start picking it apart. The department that i work in has over 300 unix workstations all of which are directly connected to the campus backbone. The nature of the research and the size of the department does not lend its self to being closed off behind a firewall or proxy. While there could have been better ways of implementing this network, due to the academic environment (ie no money) and the constant change in staff an open environment was a natural outcome.
Some one sent in one of the machines somewhere in the university to ORBS over the summer and soon
there after all hell broke lose. ORBS proceeded to scan ALL of our campus subdomain and hunt down
any machine that may be used to relay mail regardless if that machine had ever been used to send spam or not. Then ORBS threatened to shut down all email from our entire domain unless the university fixed all the machines in a 2 week time frame. Well... if you ever wanted to know a quick way to piss off a 100+ admins you just hit on it. While ORBS in theory is a good idea, what they were demanding was that we "fix" a problem that never existed. True there are a few machines that are open relays but that is because they have to be open (remember the kludged nature of the network).
What my objection to is basically who made them god that they can come in and dictate terms to us? Yes i completely agree that spam is a major problem and a huge waist of resources but the tyrannical nature of ORBS is way out of line.
Needless to say we did not make the 2 week deadline but we did not get shutdown because someone some how tracked them down and talked some sense into them.
The ideal of ORBS is a good one (fight spam) but their implementation needs work.
I have to say .. surprisingly .. that USwest was actually fairly painless to deal with for my DSL connection. Now i have gone round and round
with them about my POTs in the past but for some odd reason (maybe the right phase of the moon) the dsl hookup went with out a hitch. This
could all be because USwest is pushing DSL like mad men to quickly recoup there investment so service right now is fairly extraordnary. When
i signed up about a month a go i got the DSL install (to the outside jack) and ISP turnon (Uswest.net) for $100 and the modem for $90 (which is
a CISCO 675 aka NetSpeed that connects to a 10baseT LAN). They also tossed in a free NIC card (3com PCI) and a packet of phone filters
with the deal as well. They just drooped there rate for 256k up and down to 29.95 and the ISP fee is $20. So over all its a pretty good deal. No
Limits on hosting or multiple computers. Only took two weeks from my phone call to service activation. The Cisco runs in routing/ppp mode
with NAT and just plugs into your hub. Enable the DCHP server on the modem and the whole thing is plug and play. USwest is really targeting
there offering to families with multiple computers and is pushing the "whole package" concept of POTs and Internet in one. Granted the big
down side to this setup is if you want to serve anything your IP is dynamic (but mine hasnt changed since i turned it on) and you have to bore
some holes in NAT to map the port numbers to LAN addresses.
"In the LINUX world of pizza, Coke, big monitors, and Chinese take-out, there is a gene pool stocked with a lot of serious and highly talented developers" humm...where can i get my big monitor . Is a check box on the red hat registration that i missed?