You want to talk logical implications of a programmed machine being able to form a super set of its capacity?
Not only that, but the superset of its capacity being so vast that it is able to understand the subset of capacity?
People who talk like that are worse than 'scientists' who make toys that can 'reproduce' by stacking blocks up from one pile to the other and make claims like 'self repairing robots!!!' and 'previously this only occured in biology!!!1111'
Sometimes you can just think that little bit clearer.
As if the story has anything to do with blogging. Ignorant piece of shit. Parent is such a closed minded asshole, I really welcome debate on why I think this:
Why does this event have anything to do with A)blogging B)Journalism
and what does blogging have to do with journalism? I use a red pen at work to make notes? Maybe if I call that redlogging I shoudl ask for my own fucking laws and bitch and moan about stuff.
I do invite the parent to explain himself further and question why the fuck modders think that any vague and cursory snub refering to blogging and journalism can be modded up and how long before people see that blogging is a bloody red herring.
Can someone explain why 'blogging' has ANYTHING to do with this damn story? You short-sighted fools.
sedition charges last month for posting anti-Muslim remarks
Does it matter WHERE he posted them? The fact that they were in a blog - DOES THIS MAKE THEM ANY FUCKING DIFFERENT. For fucks sake people, if you all make out that somehow, things written in blogs are somehow different to writing them in any other way? You totally miss the point of the story by focussing on some transient shitty 'technology / retracted-hyphenated word form' (noone knows what the fuck it actually means)
Singapore, which is unconcerned by wide criticism of its record of press freedom, appears to have been stepping up efforts against bloggers in recent months.
I can imagine that previously they have not devoted resources to 'online' information which requires a certain amount of organisation and recruitment of people who are net savvy to track these things. They are certainly not 'stepping up efforts against bloggers' You twatish hyper-fucking-teen-girl-giggling knobjockeys. hehehehe look we can bitch and moan about our rights and bloggers, and like, start a revolution damn it! stick it to the man! yeah, fuck yeah. idiots.
What is the worst fucking thing?
The fact that this pissfuckingshitty word like blog is whored all over this story, and noone gives a flying fuck about the actual case, which is about a country disallowing freedom of speech against religions.
Fuck if he posted it to a fucking bbs, forum, irc chan, news site, comment board, shoutbox, blog, profile, or any other thing you want to call text that is transmitted over http.
I have repeated this TIME AND TIME AGAIN. Not to mention the stories (oh damn I wish/. wouldn't clowns a wider audience) from pseudo wannabe bloggers who write articles ABOUT journalistic rights of bloggers - NOT ACTUALLY ABOUT FREEDOM OF FUCKING SPEECH but their own twisted short sighted lazy, irresponsible 'DAMN these laws conflict with my interest to say any shit and drive treffic to my motherfucking ads'.
You get it now?
Shut the FUCK up about blogging when talking about online freedoms of speech, in fact, shut the fuck up about online, and look at the real picture you narrow minded fucks.
He wasn't convicted under blogging laws, or for a crime of blogging. People are moving the fucking issue and not considering the reality of what he was charged for and the implications of that. Now, go ahead mod me down for swearing at the top of my voice trying to be heard in the squalid shit storm of ignorance that plagues/. these days.
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I ran some napkin calculations on how much pollution seti has generated. Take their own 'computer hours' from their stats page, and work out how many machines are left on overnight TO RUN SETI, and during the day and night, computers who would be on anyway, are now running hot (at close-to-100%), which runs more fans, which uses more juice etc etc.
Also how much a night it costs the average utility bill.
Someone with more knowledge can pop their calculations and whatnot here.
I like it!:-) That is new. Before everyone compalins about this ad being submitted as news, don't be short-sighted!
The ad is news!
It is a subtle nudge at the future. You see, one day, as we type [buy nike] companies may be willing to pay, for esteemed [c1alis 4 u] writers, to have ads inserted directly into their writing. of course I have always liked [anal sex] the idea that ads should not interfere with the content, and just last night in bed I was thinking of [goatse premium, see beyong the bowels!] this.
Today however, you just need to post [your shit, we buy it] on slashdot, and your ad may appear as a legitimate .
Oh dear.
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Unfortunately the only really good one is Bart Simpsons rendition, and that has copyright. I think there are laws allowing such a small sample, but fair use != open source.
Of course, I might upload my own one hand clapping sample, do you have a codec or sample rate preference? left or right hand? No euphamisms please.
*thinks*
OMGsh you were teh joking!!!11sixhundredandfourtyseventhousandsixhund redandfourteen
I am just curious. Is is Freesoundsample? Is there a reason other than it is not the purpose of the site?
Or are we being limited by our capacity for expressing ourselves in grunts again, and the word 'songs' scares the shit out of people. I may never know as the site is wanged.
And if they arenot having songs, why mention it? Why not mention that they are also not having live lemur strip cams?
I am just puzzled by the whole ---- OMG not songs ---- in the snippet.
Tim Berns Lee also signed an agreement not to help people find copyrighted content using http.
When questioned about the issue, why someone who writes a protocol, not a search provider like google, would have to sign an agreement, the RIAA/MPAA/PETA/ACLU (they are all the same!) said:
"If those freaky-ass greeks on slashdot don't know the difference, or even if they do, their brains don't click to mention it, and the whole 'Intarwebnet' hyperfuckwads* go on and on about cliquey terms that in the end insight this kind of mental conditioning and ergo the downfall of society *breath*, then we also don't know the difference now shut the hell up"
*bloggers
So, there you go. If you pay money on slashdot, maybe read the comments I made at length how we would be to blame if something as stupid as this happened.
Even 10 pt bold arial/verdana font is very unreadable on his site... I feel like my monitor is doing 60hz on his site...
Thank goodness for bookmarklets to make my eyes better. Just what I need after staring at emacs all day it to have my rods and cones gently shaved off the back of my eye with a scalpel.
1 ) Finding a collision is one piece of the puzzle. How to exploit it?
Lets say you are hosting 'happy frappy firefox downloads!' and you are helping spread firefox, yet your version contains some nast13z malware.
Is this a situation where a MD5 hash collision will help you? Probably not - simply changing the file, yet publishing the original MD5 next to it, and very few people will check. The file size will usually give you away, even if one BYTE changes.
Someone mentioned empty space in files to help generate a collision.
So we take two different files, and we try and get the first file to collide with the second file (THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS CODE DOES!).
Also has this been benchmarked on larger files? File that may in fact be targetting (software installs?) Or is this not for that?
3 ) The next is password hashes. My password for slashdot it fr4pp4l1fe. The hash is stored on slashdots server.
Well done. Now, as long as the hashes are safe, then I am safe. If someone could easily find another password that hits that, then I am scr3w0r3d!
Now usually anyone can lookup password hashes (or I have been able to do this in systems I have been in...) and regularly passwords in databases are reset by a dbadmin using a simple PLSQL like : set passwort = leetShizzle('monday').
Collisions do pose a threat (how much of a threat?) for passwords. Knowing the hash you can find another input. Not the original.
2 ) Poisoning torrents.
You can poison torrents by writing a maliscious client that returns shitty data. However, with hashes, a node will verify the data you are passing with a hash function - after receiving it. If the has failed, it will assume a broken packet that wasn't caught with CRC or a bad client.
Collisions allow certain files to be pre-loaded with poisoned content, yet look like the original. Because original files are large, the whole files cannot be passed around for nodes to check the fidelity, since they are fact being downloaded anyway (if that makes sense).
Hashes breakable means different code can be sent. However, will a length check thwart this?
Do clients hash every block of data?
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Erm, I think this one needs explaining...
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King Kong Lived?
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· Score: 1
Pleistocene....plasticine Plasticine.... early stop frame animation techniques.... King Kong....
Really. If they had bigger budgets...
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My Phonetic typos/spelling errors are shocking. (ones/once)
Sew what who our you two judge me.
Re:Oh, the irony...
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King Kong Lived?
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Research into Gigantopithecus blackii began in 1935, when the Dutch paleontologist G.H. von Koenigswald discovered a yellowish molar among the "dragon bones" for sale in a Hong Kong pharmacy.
In any complex enough system you can prove almost any relationship if you are willing to ignore various holes in your own logic. Lets welcome the next speaker, a guy who ones watched a low budget documentary on evolution and darwin, here to convince us all that he is right.
Oh sorry, did I disturb you sense of well being. My bad.
Slashdot Mirror
You want to talk logical implications of a programmed machine being able to form a super set of its capacity?
Not only that, but the superset of its capacity being so vast that it is able to understand the subset of capacity?
People who talk like that are worse than 'scientists' who make toys that can 'reproduce' by stacking blocks up from one pile to the other and make claims like 'self repairing robots!!!' and 'previously this only occured in biology!!!1111'
Sometimes you can just think that little bit clearer.
A better product would be a pepper pot that gives an alert, but then that would interrupt your dinner.
in summation: you are at your desk, you don't need it.
you are at your desk, you might not want it.
making the pepper pot *look* like a pager is one thing too. Just a single small device that forwards alerts from PC to you.
Sounds like this would sell to the heathen masses of PC world buyers who go 'ooooooh look at that mouse....does it make my games run faster?'
0.o
Ooops you're a moron!
+4 insightful (admittedly depending on your mod setup) to +1 insighful. That is some Yankovich stuff man.
The point remains valid.
I mean, you asked slashdot... surely there is a witty thing I coudl say about that *if* I had some nice coffee this morning.
But I haven't, but for all you family guy lovers:
In Soviet Russia, Linux Saves Time With You!
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adblock adds tags to simplify blocking canvas tags.
I like the idea of an open javascript driven presentation engine. by by flash? doubtful, lets see harvey cartels N games written in javascript first.
I like anyway.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4438938.stm pathway
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As if the story has anything to do with blogging. Ignorant piece of shit. Parent is such a closed minded asshole, I really welcome debate on why I think this:
Why does this event have anything to do with A)blogging B)Journalism
and what does blogging have to do with journalism? I use a red pen at work to make notes? Maybe if I call that redlogging I shoudl ask for my own fucking laws and bitch and moan about stuff.
I do invite the parent to explain himself further and question why the fuck modders think that any vague and cursory snub refering to blogging and journalism can be modded up and how long before people see that blogging is a bloody red herring.
See my previous post on this very same story.
Can someone explain why 'blogging' has ANYTHING to do with this damn story? You short-sighted fools.
/. wouldn't clowns a wider audience) from pseudo wannabe bloggers who write articles ABOUT journalistic rights of bloggers - NOT ACTUALLY ABOUT FREEDOM OF FUCKING SPEECH but their own twisted short sighted lazy, irresponsible 'DAMN these laws conflict with my interest to say any shit and drive treffic to my motherfucking ads'.
/. these days.
sedition charges last month for posting anti-Muslim remarks
Does it matter WHERE he posted them? The fact that they were in a blog - DOES THIS MAKE THEM ANY FUCKING DIFFERENT. For fucks sake people, if you all make out that somehow, things written in blogs are somehow different to writing them in any other way? You totally miss the point of the story by focussing on some transient shitty 'technology / retracted-hyphenated word form' (noone knows what the fuck it actually means)
Singapore, which is unconcerned by wide criticism of its record of press freedom, appears to have been stepping up efforts against bloggers in recent months.
I can imagine that previously they have not devoted resources to 'online' information which requires a certain amount of organisation and recruitment of people who are net savvy to track these things. They are certainly not 'stepping up efforts against bloggers' You twatish hyper-fucking-teen-girl-giggling knobjockeys. hehehehe look we can bitch and moan about our rights and bloggers, and like, start a revolution damn it! stick it to the man! yeah, fuck yeah. idiots.
What is the worst fucking thing?
The fact that this pissfuckingshitty word like blog is whored all over this story, and noone gives a flying fuck about the actual case, which is about a country disallowing freedom of speech against religions.
Fuck if he posted it to a fucking bbs, forum, irc chan, news site, comment board, shoutbox, blog, profile, or any other thing you want to call text that is transmitted over http.
I have repeated this TIME AND TIME AGAIN. Not to mention the stories (oh damn I wish
You get it now?
Shut the FUCK up about blogging when talking about online freedoms of speech, in fact, shut the fuck up about online, and look at the real picture you narrow minded fucks.
He wasn't convicted under blogging laws, or for a crime of blogging. People are moving the fucking issue and not considering the reality of what he was charged for and the implications of that. Now, go ahead mod me down for swearing at the top of my voice trying to be heard in the squalid shit storm of ignorance that plagues
please type the word in this image: dihedral
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I ran some napkin calculations on how much pollution seti has generated. Take their own 'computer hours' from their stats page, and work out how many machines are left on overnight TO RUN SETI, and during the day and night, computers who would be on anyway, are now running hot (at close-to-100%), which runs more fans, which uses more juice etc etc. Also how much a night it costs the average utility bill. Someone with more knowledge can pop their calculations and whatnot here.
They will pay per post above +3.... oh dear! =] foiled again!
=]
I like it! :-) That is new. Before everyone compalins about this ad being submitted as news, don't be short-sighted!
The ad is news!
It is a subtle nudge at the future. You see, one day, as we type [buy nike] companies may be willing to pay, for esteemed [c1alis 4 u] writers, to have ads inserted directly into their writing. of course I have always liked [anal sex] the idea that ads should not interfere with the content, and just last night in bed I was thinking of [goatse premium, see beyong the bowels!] this.
Today however, you just need to post [your shit, we buy it] on slashdot, and your ad may appear as a legitimate .
Oh dear.
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Unfortunately the only really good one is Bart Simpsons rendition, and that has copyright. I think there are laws allowing such a small sample, but fair use != open source.
d redandfourteen
Of course, I might upload my own one hand clapping sample, do you have a codec or sample rate preference? left or right hand? No euphamisms please.
*thinks*
OMGsh you were teh joking!!!11sixhundredandfourtyseventhousandsixhun
d'oh
I am just curious. Is is Freesoundsample? Is there a reason other than it is not the purpose of the site?
Or are we being limited by our capacity for expressing ourselves in grunts again, and the word 'songs' scares the shit out of people. I may never know as the site is wanged.
And if they arenot having songs, why mention it? Why not mention that they are also not having live lemur strip cams?
I am just puzzled by the whole ---- OMG not songs ---- in the snippet.
But don't worry, they are not certain it is working yet.
They are still uncertain, until they are measured. Does measuring one make the other certain?
Quantum cryptography? Wassup with that now?
o.0
I see the captain saying:
;-)
'Operation Cobra!'
For americans (hey, I am in *that* mood today ok), I mean Queen Latifa saying 'you didn't jus', or 'yo moma'.
Get the door, it is France! They want their little statue back!
It is the stuctured query language programming language query language.
I just wait for the prequel.
Tim Berns Lee also signed an agreement not to help people find copyrighted content using http.
When questioned about the issue, why someone who writes a protocol, not a search provider like google, would have to sign an agreement, the RIAA/MPAA/PETA/ACLU (they are all the same!) said:
"If those freaky-ass greeks on slashdot don't know the difference, or even if they do, their brains don't click to mention it, and the whole 'Intarwebnet' hyperfuckwads* go on and on about cliquey terms that in the end insight this kind of mental conditioning and ergo the downfall of society *breath*, then we also don't know the difference now shut the hell up"
*bloggers
So, there you go. If you pay money on slashdot, maybe read the comments I made at length how we would be to blame if something as stupid as this happened.
I told you so.
Even 10 pt bold arial/verdana font is very unreadable on his site... I feel like my monitor is doing 60hz on his site...
Thank goodness for bookmarklets to make my eyes better. Just what I need after staring at emacs all day it to have my rods and cones gently shaved off the back of my eye with a scalpel.
Thanks 1998 design. *rubs eyes gently*
snif.
Faster than brute force?
What makes it so? Can someone explain in english? Looking at the code I couldn't really get a flavour of why this is faster than brute force.
Thank you.
Bungle.
There are three things we are talking about:
1 ) Finding a collision is one piece of the puzzle. How to exploit it?
Lets say you are hosting 'happy frappy firefox downloads!' and you are helping spread firefox, yet your version contains some nast13z malware.
Is this a situation where a MD5 hash collision will help you? Probably not - simply changing the file, yet publishing the original MD5 next to it, and very few people will check. The file size will usually give you away, even if one BYTE changes.
Someone mentioned empty space in files to help generate a collision.
So we take two different files, and we try and get the first file to collide with the second file (THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS CODE DOES!).
Also has this been benchmarked on larger files? File that may in fact be targetting (software installs?) Or is this not for that?
3 ) The next is password hashes. My password for slashdot it fr4pp4l1fe. The hash is stored on slashdots server.
Well done. Now, as long as the hashes are safe, then I am safe. If someone could easily find another password that hits that, then I am scr3w0r3d!
Now usually anyone can lookup password hashes (or I have been able to do this in systems I have been in...) and regularly passwords in databases are reset by a dbadmin using a simple PLSQL like : set passwort = leetShizzle('monday').
Collisions do pose a threat (how much of a threat?) for passwords. Knowing the hash you can find another input. Not the original.
2 ) Poisoning torrents.
You can poison torrents by writing a maliscious client that returns shitty data. However, with hashes, a node will verify the data you are passing with a hash function - after receiving it. If the has failed, it will assume a broken packet that wasn't caught with CRC or a bad client.
Collisions allow certain files to be pre-loaded with poisoned content, yet look like the original. Because original files are large, the whole files cannot be passed around for nodes to check the fidelity, since they are fact being downloaded anyway (if that makes sense).
Hashes breakable means different code can be sent. However, will a length check thwart this?
Do clients hash every block of data?
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Pleistocene....plasticine .... early stop frame animation techniques.... King Kong....
Plasticine
Really. If they had bigger budgets...
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My Phonetic typos/spelling errors are shocking. (ones/once)
Sew what who our you two judge me.
Research into Gigantopithecus blackii began in 1935, when the Dutch paleontologist G.H. von Koenigswald discovered a yellowish molar among the "dragon bones" for sale in a Hong Kong pharmacy.
In any complex enough system you can prove almost any relationship if you are willing to ignore various holes in your own logic. Lets welcome the next speaker, a guy who ones watched a low budget documentary on evolution and darwin, here to convince us all that he is right.
Oh sorry, did I disturb you sense of well being. My bad.
Like smallgits, but bigger. no?
Pleistocene era? Then I guess the very early King Kong movies were called the plasticine era....
ok ok ok. Almost not worth it.
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