There is nothing preventing the method these guys are selling openoffice. It's perfectly legal and recognized by the GPL. Nobody said you can't charge for the software, GPL mere states that the source must be available.
Note: cedega is sold with the same principle.
This woman, although she may feel that she has been fooled, really doesn't have anything to speak for it other than bad googling. Note NIW's comment below.
Why? Because she didn't call tech support. I'm sure verizon could have helped TONS if she would have called a helpdesk/support line instead of a lawyer.
Meanwhile, people sure seem to know exactly what it does, and that is something easy to trace. If they have found the virus and how to remove it, they know the rest. All you need to do is intentionally infect a virtual sandbox and watch what files are modified.
I was thinking about this. I am picking up a 6gb ram/4870x2/i7 920 setup and kept thinking: "Why not just run 1680x1050 dual monitors with like 16xAA"
the thing about being able to run the current generation of games at 2560x1600 also ensures that there isn't a chance in hell you'll be able to with the same setup a year later as games will be too demanding, and lowering resolution while preserving aspect ratio probably makes everything look like crap. Not to mention how disappointing that would be.
Car analogy time: it'd be like owning a ferrari to drive on an open rural road and then a year later you move to the city, only being able to drive it in stop and go traffic.
So other than a pair of x2's crossfired instead of just 4870's crossfired, you don't think there's much else? Or are you saying get a 4870x2 instead of 4870's in crossfire? If so, why even?
What about a jump to 12G of ram instead of 6G? Matched triple-channel again.
Israel has every citizen sign up for the military but that doesn't mean they require everyone to go frontlines and risk their lives. There are so many people in the army that they don't need everyone to be frontline and there are other places where people serve more benefit. It's more like requiring people to take PE up to and through college.
The last 3 comments and "muslim comparisons" of the guy are off in varying ways, the rest characterize the PLO and other violent palestinian orgnizations accurately (not all muslims). At some point Palestinians are going to realize that Jews/Israeli's are Palestinians too, and at that point it will show how stupid all of this crap is.
If the best you can do is focus on a single statement I said and do the equivalent simply stating "you're wrong" 20 times, I think you're certainly welcome to waste your time all you want.
Meanwhile, numbers above would be easier, yes. Significantly. "It took 264 minutes to do X task" ca be translated in terms of both relative performance of other processors and absolute if someone can imitate the testing methods. Me an astroturfer? Sure, lets jump that line further. I must be an alien from mars!
Sheesh, dude. Doesn't hurt to take your head out of the sand once in a while.
We can't really do that comparison mentioned above with "x>y>z". Note the whole EULA, no benchmarks, etc. This is not a synthetic benchmark they provided, it is flat out not a benchmark. I don't have to state that ZD is lying, I just have to state that they have followed the EULA and NOT RELEASED A BENCHMARK. As noted, MS doesn't allow a benchmark right now, do they? So why debate an inconclusive non-benchmark? Oh wait, I didn't. I maintained skepticism. Hell, it's not even the release of the OS, it's a beta build.
Umm no, that is not what I have fallen for. Thanks for trying to tell me what I am saying. Clearly you have a case of "not reading carefully re: what you are responding to".
The guy said that he was warned, meaning if you are smart enough to be careful then the university can't do jack shit. They don't own your property, they own their own.
I said (in regards to the people being warned): "I see no excuse in those groups for people to bitch/whine."
This is like a law officer asking you to leave the premises of somewhere and you not doing so. It's not like it's magic to figure that out. Sure, it needs to be fixed, but damn dude. That's a whole other issue.
Try not to take things out of context next time please.
Yes, because we all not only have a beta copy of windows 7/want a copy/but also can produce accurate results from an accurate and identical testbed. Oh, did I mention that we clearly have the same files to work with, same iso's, same everything. Yeah, suuuure.
Did you forget that most people don't exactly get the same results with testing? The difference is this reporter managed to get a ton of press for it from slashdot.
Lots of information was not disclosed by them that could completely affect whether another person even on the same hardware will get the same results (aka driver versions are a big deal especially if this is about video encoding, etc). We don't know how they came around to the shutdown timer, and anyone smart knows that there are specific parts of windows 7 that change the shutdown behavior.
Get freakin real.
This isn't about fun or not. It's about not filling an area devoid of information with things that aren't there via magic speculation.
This is like asking someone how they like their (noun) and they say "it's fast". Well sure, it might be to them, and that might work for word of mouth, but most people would want a lot more info than that for a multitude of reasons.
I see no excuse in those groups for people to bitch/whine. If nothing is being said or known and it is subverted is one thing, but in this case, sheesh.
I believe it's starting to hit court in a lot of issues lately, that students are not exactly digging this idea.
What it really means in the long run is that people will discover their research in private and patent it silently so that the university can't lay claim to something that isn't the university's invention in the first place.People paying for school definitely have paid to use the tools as thats a part of it.
yes. How dare I remain a skeptic. How dare I question something that none of us have anything to compare to.
Is that what you're saying? That we should just lap up zdnet which is known to basically love microsoft unconditionally in the first place? Or the "how can he possibly score windows 7 better in every single category" except for two, part? You don't find that suspicious before the OS has even been released?
When you see benchmarks from hardocp, even tomshardware (as much as they're biased sometimes), or any other reputable website then we have something to debate or believe. I don't doubt windows 7 will be an improvement but not only is the thing not out yet but basically they can't disclose a benchmark. You're saying that dancing the EULA must mean that his information is reputable.
Maybe next time, you should think before you post some completely inane crap.
You can dance all you want, but the truth is we have no evidence that they even performed testing since there are no numbers. That's not subjective, it's called an editorial/not factual.
If there are numbers out there, other people can compare and go "hey, that isn't what I got using the exact same setup as you tested with", etc.
The eula literally says "NO BENCHMARKING ALLOWED" so this means that this guy isn't even allowed to benchmark. It doesn't say "no posting of a benchmark", it says no benchmarking period. Therefore, he hasn't even done benchmarking. See how this works?
I do believe there's a single type of material that ABS helps reduce stopping distance but in all others the idea is to avoid the collision entirely, not just "stop faster". Thus, wheel lock = all traction gone, but "abs lock" = turn/swerve.
All you have to do is copy the data as it is unscrambled or as it is read in the first place - make an outfile as you run the stuff and the copying is complete. That is so easily done that I learned how to do it in Pascal for exe files back in highschool!
Not trying to be ad hominem, just saying that such an idea is simply not feasible.
You are correct in assuming that right of first sale still applies, which is the issue here.
If you give something away for free, you no longer technically own it. It's impossible to prove ownership and also impossible to claim it. As it is intangible it makes it ever more difficult.
This is just Capital bitching that they don't have their hand in the pot even though they already took their hand out intentionally.
Microsoft makes nice cheap intellimouse's for normal wireless use. Like 20-30$ range.
Gaming = Logitech G5 or a cheap Razer (older gen razer's are cheap, redundant poster is redundant).
For a cheaper gaming mouse that works well with high resolution I suggest a4tech's wireless battery free NB30. It's like 10$, no batteries, no wires, just has to be on the pad it comes with.
Ergonomic = get the trackball and avoid that Evoluent mouse at all costs or you will induce carpal tunnel, especially under longterm use. Plenty of people have been complaining about the same. Short term use = http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=205557633 (trust xpertclick tk4300)....great for general use and not too expensive, can find online around 30$.
Solution to ergonomic problems = beanbag wrist wrests such as IMAK ergobeads. Most of what they preach is BS but this thing seems to work for mice for people pretty well.
Had you replied to this thread anywhere other than obscurely you'd be flamed to oblivion.
"if my company had started on linux". Yeah, well if x cause/thing/whatever wasn't Y, guess what? It wouldn't be the same. Since that isn't the situation, your point (and entire nitpicking) is moot.
What you're looking at is completely unrelated things, and trying to put them together. Nice job with the blanket statement! What the hell does computer programming have to do with tabletop games? 0. Likewise, what the hell does working out or driving have to do with video games? Honestly, you're pulling stuff out your ass here. You know, that preview button is there for a reason. Maybe slashdot should read the comments before you submit them too.
A more accurate example would be how video games can help a musician who plays an instrument such as a piano, guitar, cello, any of them via playing video games. Or how a tabletop game can (just like any other video game or just by definition, a game itself) help you in critical thinking/reasoning.
Also as far as using physical rehabilitation via the wii for paralyzed people or for general health improvements? Yeah, I'd love to see a tabletop game that does that.
All games have their place, and so does your head. Burying it in the sand is not that place.
so running photoshop via wine is not good enough for you to do the same thing?
Lastly, your comment about abdicating responsibility is completely nonseqitur; if you don't have to work to much on X task in a corporation then they're going to add something else for you to do, obviously.
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I find it hard to improve this as a creative idea. NEDM.
There is nothing preventing the method these guys are selling openoffice. It's perfectly legal and recognized by the GPL. Nobody said you can't charge for the software, GPL mere states that the source must be available.
Note: cedega is sold with the same principle.
This woman, although she may feel that she has been fooled, really doesn't have anything to speak for it other than bad googling. Note NIW's comment below.
Doesn't matter if she used Verizon, or anything.
Why? Because she didn't call tech support. I'm sure verizon could have helped TONS if she would have called a helpdesk/support line instead of a lawyer.
But what about Mojave? Mojave's AWESOME!
Umm don't you remember the phrase?
"Don't steal. The government hates competition."
Meanwhile, people sure seem to know exactly what it does, and that is something easy to trace. If they have found the virus and how to remove it, they know the rest. All you need to do is intentionally infect a virtual sandbox and watch what files are modified.
I was thinking about this. I am picking up a 6gb ram/4870x2/i7 920 setup and kept thinking: "Why not just run 1680x1050 dual monitors with like 16xAA"
the thing about being able to run the current generation of games at 2560x1600 also ensures that there isn't a chance in hell you'll be able to with the same setup a year later as games will be too demanding, and lowering resolution while preserving aspect ratio probably makes everything look like crap. Not to mention how disappointing that would be.
Car analogy time: it'd be like owning a ferrari to drive on an open rural road and then a year later you move to the city, only being able to drive it in stop and go traffic.
Linux = monopoly?
Since when?
Maybe you should talk to MS about that.
So other than a pair of x2's crossfired instead of just 4870's crossfired, you don't think there's much else? Or are you saying get a 4870x2 instead of 4870's in crossfire? If so, why even?
What about a jump to 12G of ram instead of 6G? Matched triple-channel again.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/16064
How does that setup look for a current setup? Also, if there were further performance improvements to this setup, what would you change?
Israel has every citizen sign up for the military but that doesn't mean they require everyone to go frontlines and risk their lives. There are so many people in the army that they don't need everyone to be frontline and there are other places where people serve more benefit. It's more like requiring people to take PE up to and through college.
The last 3 comments and "muslim comparisons" of the guy are off in varying ways, the rest characterize the PLO and other violent palestinian orgnizations accurately (not all muslims). At some point Palestinians are going to realize that Jews/Israeli's are Palestinians too, and at that point it will show how stupid all of this crap is.
If the best you can do is focus on a single statement I said and do the equivalent simply stating "you're wrong" 20 times, I think you're certainly welcome to waste your time all you want.
Meanwhile, numbers above would be easier, yes. Significantly. "It took 264 minutes to do X task" ca be translated in terms of both relative performance of other processors and absolute if someone can imitate the testing methods. Me an astroturfer? Sure, lets jump that line further. I must be an alien from mars!
Sheesh, dude. Doesn't hurt to take your head out of the sand once in a while.
We can't really do that comparison mentioned above with "x>y>z". Note the whole EULA, no benchmarks, etc. This is not a synthetic benchmark they provided, it is flat out not a benchmark. I don't have to state that ZD is lying, I just have to state that they have followed the EULA and NOT RELEASED A BENCHMARK. As noted, MS doesn't allow a benchmark right now, do they? So why debate an inconclusive non-benchmark? Oh wait, I didn't. I maintained skepticism. Hell, it's not even the release of the OS, it's a beta build.
Hurrrrrrrr!
Umm no, that is not what I have fallen for. Thanks for trying to tell me what I am saying. Clearly you have a case of "not reading carefully re: what you are responding to".
The guy said that he was warned, meaning if you are smart enough to be careful then the university can't do jack shit. They don't own your property, they own their own.
I said (in regards to the people being warned): "I see no excuse in those groups for people to bitch/whine."
This is like a law officer asking you to leave the premises of somewhere and you not doing so. It's not like it's magic to figure that out. Sure, it needs to be fixed, but damn dude. That's a whole other issue.
Try not to take things out of context next time please.
Yes, because we all not only have a beta copy of windows 7/want a copy/but also can produce accurate results from an accurate and identical testbed. Oh, did I mention that we clearly have the same files to work with, same iso's, same everything. Yeah, suuuure.
Did you forget that most people don't exactly get the same results with testing? The difference is this reporter managed to get a ton of press for it from slashdot.
Lots of information was not disclosed by them that could completely affect whether another person even on the same hardware will get the same results (aka driver versions are a big deal especially if this is about video encoding, etc). We don't know how they came around to the shutdown timer, and anyone smart knows that there are specific parts of windows 7 that change the shutdown behavior.
Get freakin real.
This isn't about fun or not. It's about not filling an area devoid of information with things that aren't there via magic speculation.
This is like asking someone how they like their (noun) and they say "it's fast". Well sure, it might be to them, and that might work for word of mouth, but most people would want a lot more info than that for a multitude of reasons.
The basic reason, is called common sense.
wow, really?
I see no excuse in those groups for people to bitch/whine. If nothing is being said or known and it is subverted is one thing, but in this case, sheesh.
I believe it's starting to hit court in a lot of issues lately, that students are not exactly digging this idea.
What it really means in the long run is that people will discover their research in private and patent it silently so that the university can't lay claim to something that isn't the university's invention in the first place.People paying for school definitely have paid to use the tools as thats a part of it.
yes. How dare I remain a skeptic. How dare I question something that none of us have anything to compare to.
Is that what you're saying? That we should just lap up zdnet which is known to basically love microsoft unconditionally in the first place? Or the "how can he possibly score windows 7 better in every single category" except for two, part? You don't find that suspicious before the OS has even been released?
When you see benchmarks from hardocp, even tomshardware (as much as they're biased sometimes), or any other reputable website then we have something to debate or believe. I don't doubt windows 7 will be an improvement but not only is the thing not out yet but basically they can't disclose a benchmark. You're saying that dancing the EULA must mean that his information is reputable.
Maybe next time, you should think before you post some completely inane crap.
You can dance all you want, but the truth is we have no evidence that they even performed testing since there are no numbers. That's not subjective, it's called an editorial/not factual.
If there are numbers out there, other people can compare and go "hey, that isn't what I got using the exact same setup as you tested with", etc.
The eula literally says "NO BENCHMARKING ALLOWED" so this means that this guy isn't even allowed to benchmark. It doesn't say "no posting of a benchmark", it says no benchmarking period. Therefore, he hasn't even done benchmarking. See how this works?
I do believe there's a single type of material that ABS helps reduce stopping distance but in all others the idea is to avoid the collision entirely, not just "stop faster". Thus, wheel lock = all traction gone, but "abs lock" = turn/swerve.
Would never work.
All you have to do is copy the data as it is unscrambled or as it is read in the first place - make an outfile as you run the stuff and the copying is complete. That is so easily done that I learned how to do it in Pascal for exe files back in highschool!
Not trying to be ad hominem, just saying that such an idea is simply not feasible.
You are correct in assuming that right of first sale still applies, which is the issue here.
If you give something away for free, you no longer technically own it. It's impossible to prove ownership and also impossible to claim it. As it is intangible it makes it ever more difficult.
This is just Capital bitching that they don't have their hand in the pot even though they already took their hand out intentionally.
I pity anyone who's never had one.
I got the creative equivalent and the laser isn't protected so even the slightest dirt makes the thing unusable.
I really need another g5.
Depends on what you want.
Microsoft makes nice cheap intellimouse's for normal wireless use. Like 20-30$ range.
Gaming = Logitech G5 or a cheap Razer (older gen razer's are cheap, redundant poster is redundant).
For a cheaper gaming mouse that works well with high resolution I suggest a4tech's wireless battery free NB30. It's like 10$, no batteries, no wires, just has to be on the pad it comes with.
Ergonomic = get the trackball and avoid that Evoluent mouse at all costs or you will induce carpal tunnel, especially under longterm use. Plenty of people have been complaining about the same. Short term use = http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=205557633 (trust xpertclick tk4300)....great for general use and not too expensive, can find online around 30$.
Solution to ergonomic problems = beanbag wrist wrests such as IMAK ergobeads. Most of what they preach is BS but this thing seems to work for mice for people pretty well.
Had you replied to this thread anywhere other than obscurely you'd be flamed to oblivion.
"if my company had started on linux". Yeah, well if x cause/thing/whatever wasn't Y, guess what? It wouldn't be the same. Since that isn't the situation, your point (and entire nitpicking) is moot.
What you're looking at is completely unrelated things, and trying to put them together. Nice job with the blanket statement! What the hell does computer programming have to do with tabletop games? 0. Likewise, what the hell does working out or driving have to do with video games? Honestly, you're pulling stuff out your ass here. You know, that preview button is there for a reason. Maybe slashdot should read the comments before you submit them too.
A more accurate example would be how video games can help a musician who plays an instrument such as a piano, guitar, cello, any of them via playing video games. Or how a tabletop game can (just like any other video game or just by definition, a game itself) help you in critical thinking/reasoning.
Also as far as using physical rehabilitation via the wii for paralyzed people or for general health improvements? Yeah, I'd love to see a tabletop game that does that.
All games have their place, and so does your head. Burying it in the sand is not that place.
so running photoshop via wine is not good enough for you to do the same thing?
Lastly, your comment about abdicating responsibility is completely nonseqitur; if you don't have to work to much on X task in a corporation then they're going to add something else for you to do, obviously.