No. An analyst says that Sony loses $300 per unit. That is the same $900 / unit that analysts were talking about a year ago and was generally thought to be complete bunk. Just before the rootkit fiasco when everyone decided hating Sony would be the new cool thing to do on the Intertubes. Now when an analcyst spouts some bullshit numbers that ignore the fact that Sony owns the production lines for many of the PS3 components, people take it as god-given fact.
Nice red herring. The exploding Sony batteries have nothing to do with the PS3. By your logic, I could be using the shittyness of Windows as an argument against the Xbox 360. That would in fact be more relevant, since the 360 runs a variant of Windows -- it's still irrelevant, since the "shittyness" of Windows doesn't really affect the 360 in any user-visible manner, but I digress.
I have a feeling that there is a lot of internal pressure for Sony not to offer video downloads because of the need to push the Blu Ray format
You have a feeling eh? Well I have lots of feelings too. I have a feeling your *irrational hatred of Sony is affecting your impartiality, as it has with so many of late.
* It's not so much that hating Sony is irrational. Sony has done plenty to reap hatred. What is irrational is the singling out of Sony, considering the track record of their competitors, and even more striking, the pettiness of their transgressions compared to other large corporations. But hate away all you like. 2 minute hates are fun for the whole family.
But.. if this was another one of Sony's screwups, they'd be vilified as being "evil" here on/. at this time. Or if it was Nintendo, people would be claiming that Nintendo's screwups just make things more fun or some such nonsense.. =P
Yeah, so this does in fact suck for people wanting to use this service. OTOH, it's a hard problem, and I don't see any other company offering a similar service. I didn't expect this to go off without a hitch.
So, I take it you'll give Sony an equally easy pass when their HD movie download service has similar growing pains?
The only negative opinions of R:FOM I've read are from people who haven't played it. I don't think I should have to point out that Insomniac has a fucking good track record of making great games. Apparently,/. isn't much on honest, real game discussion.
The bottom line is, all 3 consoles have some excellent titles, here now and coming soon. I just know I'm going to want all 3. No need for all the FUD and blatant lies. Put it to rest and let them live on their own merits. OR, at least be fucking honest.
Bullshit for dorks. Dipshits that know shit about gaming.
Go look on eBay now, those PS3s that were going for $8000 are now down to about $700-800
Everyone with decent levels of feedback is still getting quite a bit. And I hope to god that all the assholes with more money than sense are done. Not everyone can afford to go crazy like that, so it's not very telling that it's dying down.
Now there's a flood on the market, and nobody wants to buy the damn things.
People not getting several grand on eBay for the things is not an indicator that nobody wants them. Being willfully ignorant much?
Next you'll be telling me about the negative user reviews of PS3 games so far. Funny how most games had more user scores than pre-release units of the PS3 existed. Yeah, it's not the anti-Sony nuts doing it, couldn't be.
Also... 400,000 PS3s? You realize the Wii launch is about 10 times that large.
A.) I don't fucking CARE! I have ABSOLUTELY NO CONCERN FOR WHO WINS THIS "CONSOLE WAR." What I do care about is pointing out the bullshit, lies and FUD.
B.) WRONG. There are nowhere NEAR 4 million Wiis. Nintendo said they'd have 1 mil in NA at launch, and they supposedly didn't quite achieve that. I do not care, just pointing out that you're wrong. Here's a source: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162151.html
FUD is not fun for anyone, no matter who is spreading it. Please stop it.
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There's a lot of reasons people release code as OSS. Sometimes there's just no reasonable way to make money with it. Sometimes being OSS is a substantial part of the value of the software, so keeping it closed would kill it -- pretty much the boat Linux and Apache are in, IMHO.
So, while the original developers of some of these projects aren't the ones to make the most money, that does NOT mean that keeping the source closed would have allowed them to benefit from their own work either.
Since someone mentioned Apache... There's a billion goddamn http servers already. The value in Apache is entirely in the openness and ubiquity, 'cause it's just not that great a piece of software. It's good enough, free, and has a lot of contributors so it's got a lot of features. That is all possible only because it is OSS. Were it not, it'd be a drop in a bucket of http servers.
Heh... DOA. I played DOA..3 IIRC, and I've never had the urge to play any more DOA... ever. I'm just glad I played it before making the mistake of buying it first:)
I hadn't heard much about PGR3, but since you mentioned it as selling you on the 360, I checked out some vids. It does in fact look very nice. I'm not much of a racing fan myself, but now that I've actually looked at it, I understand.
I do like GT, but it is slightly too much simulation for me. Perhaps I'd enjoy PGR.
I'm not sold on the 360 yet, though. "Gears" is the only exclusive I have any interest in. Other than PGR3, what else has made the 360 worth it for you?
Funny that, even in the book, that didn't prove to be the case. And in our real world we live in every day, those traits have proven highly detrimental -- in many ways, I'm not saying universally -- in modern times. In the goddamn book itself those traits only served to spark conflict.
Evolution does not care about your notions of morality.
I don't really believe in morals. My criticism has fuck all to do with morals.
If you don't like having your preconceptions challenged, SF is not for you.
Uhm, wow. You SO know me... Actually, it was the opposite problem. He didn't challenge my preconceptions. His neo humans were (almost) just like people, as I already said. Well, people with some silly traits.
Thanks for trying to offend me though, as it was quite obviously your intent. I take it you enjoyed the book?
I read Darwin's Radio, and I have to admit I really liked it. I suspected Bear took his "theory" a little too seriously -- and an extremely far fetched theory it is. Darwin's Children rather sealed the deal on that; he's a quack. And the book, well, sucked... A direct sequel going from silly-but-interesting speculative science to metaphysical nonsense and well, a quite uninspired new human race.
It was rather a letdown when his neo human race, that was supposed to be more socially adept, were just as socially retarded as us humans, in fact, even more so. Or maybe it was just off-putting that this writer thought that a socially superior hominid would be even MORE cliquey and xenophobic than us humans.
Yeah, that's what it was. I was interested in seeing how these new humans would deal with the ill treatment by the "normal" people in a superior manner, and was rather appalled that it was simply, in kind. Ie. with prejudice, fear, and menacing.
OTOH, I enjoyed the first book enough that I'm willing to give Bear another chance. Any recommendations?
No, that's still ridiculous. Think about it for just two seconds before spouting more bullshit.
So is that 1 exclusive game worth shelling out the $600+ entry fee OPENING WEEKEND?
Of course not. But that's retarded. You're not paying $600 for just the opening weekend. You're paying $600 for the console because you expect it to have the best lineup of games for the rest of it's lifespan. And unless the price drops drastically, you're only paying a little, IF ANY, extra to have it right away(eBay/scalper purchasers aside). If it's your only planned console purchase, it may well be worth the $50 or $100 premium to have sooner rather than later -- being *extremely* generous and assuming that the price will drop by that much within a few months when there are more available, which it almost certainly will not.
Well, yes, the SPEs are certainly more of a hurdle than using multiple "normal" cores. MS has also provided a lot of documentation and explicitly laid out some development models for using the multiple cores. But Sony has also provided developers with libraries that use the SPEs themselves to ease the burden of learning the architecture somewhat. Still, I certainly can't imagine the PS3 being nearly as straight-forward to develop for as the 360 though.
I'm not sure how I feel about it. I don't really want to buy multiple consoles, but I also don't really like crappy ports. If I only have one console, I also don't care how differentiated they are.
I know what you mean. Still, I'm sick of all the awful ports from the last gen that I can't help but be optimistic:)
Nothing is worse than games that are unoptimized for every system...
So the question posed is whether or not that 1 non-sucky, exclusive game is worth the $600+ you're going to need to shell out to play it opening weekend. Which does, IMHO, make for an interesting question.
Bullshit. Unless you expect the whole life of the console to be what's available at launch. It is absolutely retarded.
Especially when you are comparing it to the 360 launch...
Well if a developer is not taking advantage of the SPEs, chances are they didn't bother to take advantage of the extra cores in the 360 either. Perhaps.
I find it far more likely that the developer just has a much better handle on DX9 than OpenGL(which is basically what the PS3 graphics API is).
It's interesting that in this generation there seems to be higher barriers to porting than before. The PS3 with it's odd architecture and the Wii with it's odd control scheme may mean we see fewer ports... or maybe just shittier ones. Maybe that's what Tony Hawk is a herald of.
That is actually an interesting observation. Personally, I'd prefer to see fewer ports, or maybe ports that are just far more differentiated. If I have to buy more than one console in order to play everything I want to play, so be it. I don't need everything right away, I can wait and save money or whatever... or drop enough hints to my wife so that she gets me the second/third console for $occasion.
When was Oblivion ever hyped as a "killer app" launch title for the PS3? I read pretty much at least a little big of every major gaming mag and website, and I don't remember seeing it hailed as a "killer app" for the PS3.
Resistance is definitely getting the most hype. Honestly, it didn't draw my interest at first(aka. just another shooter syndrome), but it looks like it's going to be really good, with a great story too.
That's not to say I'm disappointed I didn't preorder a PS3... I can wait. I'm still not sure which console I'm going to get first.
And PGR3? THAT sold you on the 360..? Not much of a "killer app"...
After looking at all the issues, I too side with Debian on this matter. But I wouldn't be too hard on the Moz people, they have legitimate concerns regarding quality assurance and their trademarks.
Only if C++ is patent encumbered, there are few implementations, and the only useful implementation is owned by a company that is no longer willing to try to work around the patents to produce a truly free implementation, and, in fact, has made a deal with the devil so only their own customers can legally use their implementation.
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Sony loses $300+ per unit.
No. An analyst says that Sony loses $300 per unit. That is the same $900 / unit that analysts were talking about a year ago and was generally thought to be complete bunk. Just before the rootkit fiasco when everyone decided hating Sony would be the new cool thing to do on the Intertubes. Now when an analcyst spouts some bullshit numbers that ignore the fact that Sony owns the production lines for many of the PS3 components, people take it as god-given fact.
Until sony does something right, I doubt you will ever see pro-ps3 artcles here or anywhere else thats not paid by Sony in advertising.
Right. If you say so.
Sony has done nothing right, from dust scratching the system, to poor backwards compatability
Right. Gizmondo. *rolls eyes* Maybe it happened when he stuffed the fucking unit down his pants?
Poor BC? 200 games, __OUT OF 8 THOUSAND__ have problems, though most are still playable. That's right at launch. Yeah, that's real awful.
"Slashdot, where telling the truth is overrated but lying is insightful."
Really? Look in the mirror you jerk.
Nice red herring. The exploding Sony batteries have nothing to do with the PS3. By your logic, I could be using the shittyness of Windows as an argument against the Xbox 360. That would in fact be more relevant, since the 360 runs a variant of Windows -- it's still irrelevant, since the "shittyness" of Windows doesn't really affect the 360 in any user-visible manner, but I digress.
I have a feeling that there is a lot of internal pressure for Sony not to offer video downloads because of the need to push the Blu Ray format
You have a feeling eh? Well I have lots of feelings too. I have a feeling your *irrational hatred of Sony is affecting your impartiality, as it has with so many of late.
* It's not so much that hating Sony is irrational. Sony has done plenty to reap hatred. What is irrational is the singling out of Sony, considering the track record of their competitors, and even more striking, the pettiness of their transgressions compared to other large corporations. But hate away all you like. 2 minute hates are fun for the whole family.
But.. if this was another one of Sony's screwups, they'd be vilified as being "evil" here on /. at this time. Or if it was Nintendo, people would be claiming that Nintendo's screwups just make things more fun or some such nonsense.. =P
Yeah, so this does in fact suck for people wanting to use this service. OTOH, it's a hard problem, and I don't see any other company offering a similar service. I didn't expect this to go off without a hitch.
So, I take it you'll give Sony an equally easy pass when their HD movie download service has similar growing pains?
The only negative opinions of R:FOM I've read are from people who haven't played it. I don't think I should have to point out that Insomniac has a fucking good track record of making great games. Apparently, /. isn't much on honest, real game discussion.
The bottom line is, all 3 consoles have some excellent titles, here now and coming soon. I just know I'm going to want all 3. No need for all the FUD and blatant lies. Put it to rest and let them live on their own merits. OR, at least be fucking honest.
Bullshit for dorks. Dipshits that know shit about gaming.
Considering how closely the Bush administration and Fox News have buddied up, it DOES potentially belong in the politics section.
/.ers that hate Fox News, it's all people who care about actual, you know, newsy things, like facts.
And it's not
Go look on eBay now, those PS3s that were going for $8000 are now down to about $700-800
Everyone with decent levels of feedback is still getting quite a bit. And I hope to god that all the assholes with more money than sense are done. Not everyone can afford to go crazy like that, so it's not very telling that it's dying down.
Now there's a flood on the market, and nobody wants to buy the damn things.
People not getting several grand on eBay for the things is not an indicator that nobody wants them. Being willfully ignorant much?
Next you'll be telling me about the negative user reviews of PS3 games so far. Funny how most games had more user scores than pre-release units of the PS3 existed. Yeah, it's not the anti-Sony nuts doing it, couldn't be.
Also... 400,000 PS3s? You realize the Wii launch is about 10 times that large.
A.) I don't fucking CARE! I have ABSOLUTELY NO CONCERN FOR WHO WINS THIS "CONSOLE WAR." What I do care about is pointing out the bullshit, lies and FUD.
B.) WRONG. There are nowhere NEAR 4 million Wiis. Nintendo said they'd have 1 mil in NA at launch, and they supposedly didn't quite achieve that. I do not care, just pointing out that you're wrong. Here's a source: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6162151.html
FUD is not fun for anyone, no matter who is spreading it. Please stop it.
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The PS3 will bomb though
Certainly possible. A little(like, by 2 years) too early to decide.
the gaming press hates it
Some of them certainly seem to. Others.. not so much. The "gaming press" has HOW MUCH credibility though?
gamers are "meh" about it
Riiiight.. that's why the ones with more money than sense are spending record amounts on a game console.
and the best game for it (Resistance: Fall of Man) is basically seen as a shitty knock off of Gears of War.
Now you are smoking some seriously insane crack! I'm not too fond of this pesky reality either, can I have some?!
There's a lot of reasons people release code as OSS. Sometimes there's just no reasonable way to make money with it. Sometimes being OSS is a substantial part of the value of the software, so keeping it closed would kill it -- pretty much the boat Linux and Apache are in, IMHO.
So, while the original developers of some of these projects aren't the ones to make the most money, that does NOT mean that keeping the source closed would have allowed them to benefit from their own work either.
Since someone mentioned Apache... There's a billion goddamn http servers already. The value in Apache is entirely in the openness and ubiquity, 'cause it's just not that great a piece of software. It's good enough, free, and has a lot of contributors so it's got a lot of features. That is all possible only because it is OSS. Were it not, it'd be a drop in a bucket of http servers.
It's a good thing that not everyone in this world shares your values, otherwise we would be quite the worse for it as a species.
ME ME ME ME!
OT, but I have to find out...
Where did that start?
Heh... DOA. I played DOA..3 IIRC, and I've never had the urge to play any more DOA... ever. I'm just glad I played it before making the mistake of buying it first :)
I hadn't heard much about PGR3, but since you mentioned it as selling you on the 360, I checked out some vids. It does in fact look very nice. I'm not much of a racing fan myself, but now that I've actually looked at it, I understand.
I do like GT, but it is slightly too much simulation for me. Perhaps I'd enjoy PGR.
I'm not sold on the 360 yet, though. "Gears" is the only exclusive I have any interest in. Other than PGR3, what else has made the 360 worth it for you?
Those are excellent survival traits.
Funny that, even in the book, that didn't prove to be the case. And in our real world we live in every day, those traits have proven highly detrimental -- in many ways, I'm not saying universally -- in modern times. In the goddamn book itself those traits only served to spark conflict.
Evolution does not care about your notions of morality.
I don't really believe in morals. My criticism has fuck all to do with morals.
If you don't like having your preconceptions challenged, SF is not for you.
Uhm, wow. You SO know me... Actually, it was the opposite problem. He didn't challenge my preconceptions. His neo humans were (almost) just like people, as I already said. Well, people with some silly traits.
Thanks for trying to offend me though, as it was quite obviously your intent. I take it you enjoyed the book?
I read Darwin's Radio, and I have to admit I really liked it. I suspected Bear took his "theory" a little too seriously -- and an extremely far fetched theory it is. Darwin's Children rather sealed the deal on that; he's a quack. And the book, well, sucked... A direct sequel going from silly-but-interesting speculative science to metaphysical nonsense and well, a quite uninspired new human race.
It was rather a letdown when his neo human race, that was supposed to be more socially adept, were just as socially retarded as us humans, in fact, even more so. Or maybe it was just off-putting that this writer thought that a socially superior hominid would be even MORE cliquey and xenophobic than us humans.
Yeah, that's what it was. I was interested in seeing how these new humans would deal with the ill treatment by the "normal" people in a superior manner, and was rather appalled that it was simply, in kind. Ie. with prejudice, fear, and menacing.
OTOH, I enjoyed the first book enough that I'm willing to give Bear another chance. Any recommendations?
No, that's still ridiculous. Think about it for just two seconds before spouting more bullshit.
So is that 1 exclusive game worth shelling out the $600+ entry fee OPENING WEEKEND?
Of course not. But that's retarded. You're not paying $600 for just the opening weekend. You're paying $600 for the console because you expect it to have the best lineup of games for the rest of it's lifespan. And unless the price drops drastically, you're only paying a little, IF ANY, extra to have it right away(eBay/scalper purchasers aside). If it's your only planned console purchase, it may well be worth the $50 or $100 premium to have sooner rather than later -- being *extremely* generous and assuming that the price will drop by that much within a few months when there are more available, which it almost certainly will not.
Well, yes, the SPEs are certainly more of a hurdle than using multiple "normal" cores. MS has also provided a lot of documentation and explicitly laid out some development models for using the multiple cores. But Sony has also provided developers with libraries that use the SPEs themselves to ease the burden of learning the architecture somewhat. Still, I certainly can't imagine the PS3 being nearly as straight-forward to develop for as the 360 though.
:)
I'm not sure how I feel about it. I don't really want to buy multiple consoles, but I also don't really like crappy ports. If I only have one console, I also don't care how differentiated they are.
I know what you mean. Still, I'm sick of all the awful ports from the last gen that I can't help but be optimistic
Nothing is worse than games that are unoptimized for every system...
So the question posed is whether or not that 1 non-sucky, exclusive game is worth the $600+ you're going to need to shell out to play it opening weekend. Which does, IMHO, make for an interesting question.
Bullshit. Unless you expect the whole life of the console to be what's available at launch. It is absolutely retarded.
Especially when you are comparing it to the 360 launch...
Well if a developer is not taking advantage of the SPEs, chances are they didn't bother to take advantage of the extra cores in the 360 either. Perhaps.
I find it far more likely that the developer just has a much better handle on DX9 than OpenGL(which is basically what the PS3 graphics API is).
It's interesting that in this generation there seems to be higher barriers to porting than before. The PS3 with it's odd architecture and the Wii with it's odd control scheme may mean we see fewer ports... or maybe just shittier ones. Maybe that's what Tony Hawk is a herald of.
That is actually an interesting observation. Personally, I'd prefer to see fewer ports, or maybe ports that are just far more differentiated. If I have to buy more than one console in order to play everything I want to play, so be it. I don't need everything right away, I can wait and save money or whatever... or drop enough hints to my wife so that she gets me the second/third console for $occasion.
Wow. Just wow... True, the PS3 still has to prove itself, but a shitty port being an indicator of potential? Yeah... I don't think so.
When was Oblivion ever hyped as a "killer app" launch title for the PS3? I read pretty much at least a little big of every major gaming mag and website, and I don't remember seeing it hailed as a "killer app" for the PS3.
Resistance is definitely getting the most hype. Honestly, it didn't draw my interest at first(aka. just another shooter syndrome), but it looks like it's going to be really good, with a great story too.
That's not to say I'm disappointed I didn't preorder a PS3... I can wait. I'm still not sure which console I'm going to get first.
And PGR3? THAT sold you on the 360..? Not much of a "killer app"...
The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?
I don't have the other systems, so I'd be spending the money for the other games too.
How the fuck does that get modded interesting?
Stupidest. Comment. Ever.
Would you care for a side of REALITY with your conspiracy theory?
After looking at all the issues, I too side with Debian on this matter. But I wouldn't be too hard on the Moz people, they have legitimate concerns regarding quality assurance and their trademarks.
That should actually read:
Only if C++ is patent encumbered, there are few implementations, and the only useful implementation is owned by a company that is no longer willing to try to work around the patents to produce a truly free implementation, and, in fact, has made a deal with the devil so only their own customers can legally use their implementation.