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Final PS3 Launch List Shows 13 Games For America

Wowzer writes "Sony's PlayStation 3 is set to arrive this week on November 17th. With just 400,000 units available at launch in the USA, and an unknown number of game consoles arriving the rest of year. The total is expected to be below 1 million units in 2006, as a result many publishers have decided to delay their games so more time can be spent polishing them. From the article: 'Remember you'll have other ways to entertain yourself with the PS3 aside from it's multimedia capabilities. From day one you'll be able to download small games (plus their demos to give them a try first) and while Sony hasn't announced any specifics like price and release dates yet, count on Sony's PS3 download games like flOw & Blast Factor to be there.' From minor delays like Need for Speed: Carbon being delayed until November 20. To big launch lineup losses like MotorStorm which was delayed to March, 2007. The PS3 launch will now have 13 titles including Resistance: Fall of Man, Call of Duty 3, Genji: Days of the Blade and Ridge Racer 7."

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  1. Uhhuh by TodMinuit · · Score: 3, Funny

    Remember you'll have other ways to entertain yourself with the PS3 aside from it's multimedia capabilities.

    $600 plus frostbite to do what my computer can already do. That's fantastic. Sign me up, sir.

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    1. Re:Uhhuh by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      $600 plus frostbite to do what my computer can already do.

      Shit, you need that too? I'm in central Texas, where am I going to get frostbite?!

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    2. Re:Uhhuh by kalirion · · Score: 1

      Or what most people's computers will be able to do once they plop down $600 for a graphics card.

    3. Re:Uhhuh by not+already+in+use · · Score: 1, Troll

      PC is cost effective? Are you insane? Even if you spend $3000 on a PC and you will never get the kind of graphics that the PS3 is capable of running at a 1080 resolution. Half your system resources are dedicated to running a bloated and inneficient operating system. You're $3000 system will be worth half that a year later -- if you're lucky. A year from now, PS3 will still retail for, tada, $600. But whatever your smokin, I want some.

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    4. Re:Uhhuh by oc255 · · Score: 1

      Assuming they have PCI-E. Yes, good AGP cards exist. But if they have AGP, do they have equivalent system memory? If so, is their processor up-to-date? Do they have a 400w+ power supply? Can this $600 PC card do HDR+AA effects?

      I don't want to start a flamewar. It's just that sometimes I think PCs carry a certain illustion of upgradability. At some point, you junk your car and start over (forklift upgrade). I've been through the card->motherboard->cpu/memory PC upgrade dependency treadmill enough times to "pshaw" at simple "PCs are extensible" statement.

    5. Re:Uhhuh by StarvingSE · · Score: 1

      Welllll, a PC is more than games. Web surfing, (gasp!) productivity, and e-mails to mom all included. Ok, ok, the topic is games, so let's talk about that. My machine costs me less than $1000 (ok, I reuse the case and power supply), and I can run games with graphics on par with anything I've seen from the PS3. Plus, I can download user-created content for most of the games I play. You'll have to pay for add-ons for the PS3, and only if its offered.

      Your PS3 will not retail for $600 a year from now. What are you smokin?

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    6. Re:Uhhuh by StarvingSE · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've been using the same setup for the past 4 years: Athlon XP 2500 oc'ed to 3200 speed, a gig of ram, and more than enough HD space. Initially cost me about $700 for the setup. The only thing I've done is buy a new mid-range vid card and another gig of cheap memory. I can play all the games I want, even oblivion, at max or damn near close to max details. Plus I get custom content online for some games, and I do use it for programming and dual boot to linux to get my open source fix. PC's are more extensible plus more flexible than the PS3.

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    7. Re:Uhhuh by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      Yes, but how many people plug their PC into their tv? Maybe they just don't like the slow load times, hassles of navigating a system not designed to be used as a gaming platform, messing with constant security problems, or having the whole system crash in the middle of a game. Although the biggest strike against the PC gaming platform in my experience is that it's hard for gamers to know, without trying to install and run the program, if a game will run on their hardware.

      PC's suck for the most part and because for most PC games Windows is required you can never expect to have a smooth experience. Windows never works really well but I'm thinking Windows doesn't like my Core 2 Duo CPU. Everything works fine in Linux even under heavy usage, all components have passed a stress test with no problems found, but Windows crashes frequently and especially during games or when running the Folding @ Home client.

      I don't think people like dealing with PC issues during their relaxation time.

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    8. Re:Uhhuh by not+already+in+use · · Score: 1

      I beg to differ. Its been a year since 360 came out, and it retails for just as much. Good luck finding any PC with graphics on par with Gears of War. If you think you're computer could run fall of man at 1080i looking as good as ps3, once again, give me what you're smokin on.

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    9. Re:Uhhuh by asc99c · · Score: 1

      Well you can upgrade stuff at the appropriate rate. If you've got an AGP motherboard it's most likely time to upgrade the whole MB/CPU/RAM/GPU if the performance is lacking. I did that a little under 3 years ago when S939/PCI-E was fairly new. Didn't waste money on top-end CPU / graphics, but did get the best motherboard, and nice PC4000 DDR.

      Hopefully the basic system will last another few years, but yeah eventually the incremental upgradability will run out and I'll need to do another big upgrade.

    10. Re:Uhhuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a XFX GeForce 7950 GX2 in my $3000 system and it is more than capable of whooping anything the PS3 can produce...but lo and behold...there was extreme premium to be paid. The PS3 will do an excellent job at eye candy and it is more simplistic to use due to the OS issues etc..., but to say it is capable of more than a high-end gaming rig is simply ridiculous.

    11. Re:Uhhuh by Babbster · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Even if you spend $3000 on a PC and you will never get the kind of graphics that the PS3 is capable of running at a 1080 resolution.

      I think you need to scale back your hyperbole a bit. If one goes with the new Nvidia 8800 (particularly in SLI) on your hypothetical "$3000" PC, doing PS3 level graphics at 1920x1080 will hardly be a problem. Take a look at what this card can do in Oblivion if you need more information.

      Note that I'm not a PC gamer these days at all since my [already old] PC broke down and I've been too cheap and lazy to replace it. In fact, I much prefer console gaming, and would agree that generally consoles provide a better gaming value than the PC. But, if one is willing to spend "the big bucks" (I consider "big bucks" to be $2,000 and up) on their gaming PC, they can definitely get to the level of PS3 launch-game graphics and beyond.
    12. Re:Uhhuh by imboboage0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      1080i is interlaced first of all. So I'm going to go ahead and deduct half the pixels, since you only get half per frame anyway

      1080i = 1920*1080(0.5) = 1036800 pixels per frame, 60FPS, meaning 62,208,000 pixels per second.
      2560x1600 (progressive) = 4096000 pixels per frame. Assuming 60FPS again (standard), that is 245,760,000 pixels per second.

      Unless I'm mistaken, 1080i just got owned by a scale of 3.951.

      Yes, you can argue that that computer monitor and computer to run it costs a lot, but so does your 1080i HDTV and 360. Check your facts. Computer guys don't want to run 1080i because it sucks. Even a lame (by high end gaming standards) 1280*1024@60Hz beats 1080i with 78,643,200 pixels per second. There is just no comparison here. A decent computer (~1k) can run that with a cheap (sub-250 dollar) monitor.

      Questions? Comments?

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    13. Re:Uhhuh by svnt · · Score: 1

      Are you sure they're field rendering? You don't explicitly state what hardware you're referring to. They could be taking steps to prevent flicker, which at least requires more than simply rendering half.

      Can three of my friends come over and play on my PC?

      Can we please stop this tired comparison?

    14. Re:Uhhuh by Lectrik · · Score: 1
      PC is cost effective? Are you insane? Even if you spend $3000 on a PC and you will never get the kind of graphics that the PS3 is capable of running at a 1080 resolution. Half your system resources are dedicated to running a bloated and inneficient operating system. You're $3000 system will be worth half that a year later -- if you're lucky. A year from now, PS3 will still retail for, tada, $600.


      Yes, i feel so deprived being stuck with my super low 1280 x 1024 resolution. Did you just call linux a bloated and inefficient OS? How much are you going to get when you sell your ps3 in a year? or you even going to be able to buy one in that year?

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    15. Re:Uhhuh by oc255 · · Score: 1

      That's interesting. My video card was $600, my entire system was $3000. I don't run Oblivion at max quality. You're either lying or working some magic. $8000 systems won't run Oblivion nicely at max quality. Nothing does. That's why Oblivion is described as "recklessly agressive" (please don't argue on this quote, my friend worked on Oblivion).

      I threw away my last system that lines up with your current system (yes this is proof of choice and not much else). I agree on the flexibility bit but in real-world terms, sometimes things won't work out because of the ever increasing marriage between video cards and cpu platform. For example, the 8800gtx card probably won't be released as AGP so now you need to ditch your motherboard, possibly memory, possibly CPU just to get to PCI-E. Or maybe you want to switch cpu vendors for quad-core Intel (sans brand loyalty), it's a whole new rig for ya.

      However, your last sentence describing "general purpose computing" is both the biggest strength and a minor weakness of the PC. The general use almost always outweighs the small gaming/cost performance pentalty of having large memory buckets and small parallelism. But that's not my main point, my main point is that PCs aren't as throw-away-proof as I/we think. But certainly less fork-lift upgrade prone than consoles.

    16. Re:Uhhuh by oc255 · · Score: 1

      Yes, this is the rare occasion that I mean when I say "PCs sometimes aren't as upgradable as people think". I'm not hating on PCs. They are kind of like cars, sometimes you need to start over instead of replacing parts. That's just the reality of it.

      On the flipside though, the refresh cycle is much shorter in the PC world. The 360 has the r500 with unified shaders and lo and behold the r600/g80 are coming/out, evening the playing field (in a way). I'm hoping the r600 pushes the general computing nature of the PC up to where the 360 is. It's like leapfrog. The 360 does HDR+AA in Oblivion, few PC cards can. Now the 8800 series can. The 360 probably won't do D3D10 so where there's some trick in D3D10 that wows the player, it will be years before the console refresh can catch up.

      There's modularity and economies of scale at work here too. But I'm really getting off-topic. Everyone here probably knows these things already.

    17. Re:Uhhuh by StarvingSE · · Score: 1

      This is why I threw in the "damn near highest quality" statement. After a good month of tweaking and various texture mods, Oblivion looks extremely nice in my opinion wiht acceptable framerates (30 outside and 80-100 inside). It isn't perfect, but the game does render miles of terrain with practically no limit to the view distance.

      Agreed, my next upgrade will be a complete overhaul, but if I can get 5 good years out of a rig with a few upgrades in between, I'm happy.

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  2. Full Launch List by Buddy_DoQ · · Score: 4, Informative

    FTFA: * Call of Duty 3 * Genji 2: Days of the Blade * Madden NFL 2007 * Marvel Ultimate Alliance * Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire * NBA '07 * NBA 2k7 * NHL 2k7 * Resistance: Fall of Man * Ridge Racer 7 * Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 * Tony Hawk's Project 8 * Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom

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    1. Re:Full Launch List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sports games and ports? really strong launch there, Sony...

    2. Re:Full Launch List by HappySqurriel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only 2 games on that list that are not readily availabe for other systems are Genji 2: Days of the Blade (which is currently rated at 59% based on 4 reviews on Gamerankings.com) and Resistance: Fall of Man (which is currently rated at 90.3% based on 3 reviews on Gamerankings.com)

      It will take some time before the scores become more solid...

      The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?

    3. Re:Full Launch List by Mursk · · Score: 1
      But... Ridge Racer...

      Riiiiidge Raaaaacer!

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    4. Re:Full Launch List by Reapman · · Score: 1

      Anyone reminded of the 360 launch? Not trolling, but wasn't that the same complaint? Or am I mistaken?

      Limited numbers, ports / sports only at launch... although I'm picking up a PS3 first (well.. assuming they get another batch out before year end), I think the Wii win's for best launch.

    5. Re:Full Launch List by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a former member of the Tiger Woods dev team, I'm proud to see that it's a launch title. Good job guys, whoever you are. (There's a lot of turnover in the EA RS studio.)

    6. Re:Full Launch List by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      Crap! I was hoping there might be a sequel or two...

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    7. Re:Full Launch List by twosmokes · · Score: 0

      Because that's the only good game that will ever come out on the system.

      Good thinking. I was going to buy one until you brilliantly pointed out how consoles' launch lineups are always lacking.

      Thanks.

    8. Re:Full Launch List by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 1

      Isn't that the exact same launch list as the PS2?

    9. Re:Full Launch List by k_187 · · Score: 1

      still, why drop $600. The price will go down, and the number of good games will go up. There is no good reason to have one of these at launch other than to say you have it.

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    10. Re:Full Launch List by twosmokes · · Score: 1

      I'd be terribly surprised if the price drops before next Christmas. There will certainly be games which make it worth owning the system out by then.

      I'm not camping out to buy one or anything, but as soon as I can easily order one online, I'll be buying one... if these are still the only titles available or not.

    11. Re:Full Launch List by Manchot · · Score: 1

      No thanks, I'll stick with the Wii and Twilight Princess. Its three review scores average out to 98%, making it tentatively the best game of all time. (Ok, so it will eventually drop, but who cares?)

    12. Re:Full Launch List by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?

      All the h4rdc0re PC gamer d00dz do.

    13. Re:Full Launch List by Total_Wimp · · Score: 1
      The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?


      You mean it won't be able to play any other games, ever?!??!??! What a rip off!!!!

      Why, oh why don't they make consoles that can also play more games later? Do you hear me god? WHY?

      TW
    14. Re:Full Launch List by Bitmanhome · · Score: 1
      The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?

      Yes, easily. Cuz when I'm done playing that game, I'll buy one more game, and play that. Then I'll buy one more game after that. And then another game. And then I'll get a mod chip, and pirate everything else.
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    15. Re:Full Launch List by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 1

      Bad feedback coming in for Zelda. Most telling is:

      http://www.penny-arcade.com/

      "The game doesn't look very good. I don't just mean it doesn't look like Gears of War either, I mean it doesn't even look good for a GC game and let's be honest here that's what we're talking about. I've seen beautiful games on the Cube. Crystal Chronicles, Wind Waker and Resident Evil 4 were all incredible looking games. Twilight Princess can't really compare to any of them. So he's right about that"

      Granted they go onto defend the playability - but other - if not MOST of the other games for the Wii won't have the insane genius of Shigeru Miyamoto behind them. If you can be happy with 3-4 games that have that kind of brilliance behind them for the life of your system, with downgraded graphics for the rest, then happy times. I'm going to take delivery of a paintbrush with more firepower for developers to explore and exploit over the long-term.

      The biggest beef I have with the Wii is that Nintendo has been VERY mum on the tech specs for its system. I strongly suspect it's a GameCube with beefed up memory. In which case, you'd be better off getting a 99-dollar Gamecube and putting the rest of your 150 in change to new games.

    16. Re:Full Launch List by HappySqurriel · · Score: 1

      Technically speaking Eiji Aonuma is now in charge of all things Zelda (and has been since 2001) ...

    17. Re:Full Launch List by QuantumLeaper · · Score: 1

      I guess if you like Micro transactions, than thats your game.

    18. Re:Full Launch List by NotWorkSafe · · Score: 1

      You forgot the rest of the post. From the same site.

      "Even though the game doesn't look all that great, it's still Zelda and it's fucking awesome. Our crew plays Gears of War every night and I had a hard time putting down my remote and nun chuck to join them. 1up has a minute by minute write up of the first ten hours of the game which seems ridiculous to me. I don't know why you'd want to ruin such a great experience and it's really not necessary. Maybe that's that new games journalism I've heard so much about. Here's everything you need to know about Twilight Princess:

      -Playing Zelda with the Wii controller is super fun. -The game play is a blast. -The story is great. -You'll never even think about the graphics while you're playing it.

      I recommend avoiding any of the extensive write ups about the game. I'm serious, Twilight Princess is too good to ruin it that way. Just wait a few more days and experience it for yourself.

      Next time, try to troll a bit better

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  3. Dupe? by jandrese · · Score: 0

    Are NBA '07 and NBA 2k7 different games? I'm not much into sports games (which left me greatly underwhelmed with this list), but it looks like they've listed the same game twice.

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    1. Re:Dupe? by jimstapleton · · Score: 1

      I suspect so, the list is 14 titles, and they said there were going to be 13 on release...

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    2. Re:Dupe? by Buddy_DoQ · · Score: 1

      NBA '07 is from EA Sports and NBA 2k7 is from 2k Sports. Two different games (of the same game) from two different developers.

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    3. Re:Dupe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NBA 07 is EA Sports.
      NBA 2K7 is Take Two.

    4. Re:Dupe? by DubbaJ · · Score: 1

      Nope. NBA '07 is from 989, and NBA 2k7 is from 2K Sports I believe.

    5. Re:Dupe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're both NBA games but:
      NBA 07 is a SCEA game,
      NBA 2k7 is a 2K Sports (Take-Two) game.

    6. Re:Dupe? by mypalmike · · Score: 1

      I suspect so, the list is 14 titles, and they said there were going to be 13 on release...

      FTFA is not a launch title.

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    7. Re:Dupe? by Bob+Gelumph · · Score: 1

      That's probably because there is NBA '07 and NBA 2k7 listed as separate items, which I would hope are the same. Otherwise, that is a pretty strange strategy for naming sequels.

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    8. Re:Dupe? by RetepMc · · Score: 1

      So which one is from EA Sports? NBA Live '07?

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    9. Re:Dupe? by DubbaJ · · Score: 1

      Yea, but I can't find a mention of it anywhere in the launch window. And correcting my earlier post, NBA '07 is published by Sony (I believe 989 was a second party deveolper anyways).

    10. Re:Dupe? by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 1

      EA hasn't managed to buy a monopoly on NBA games yet. Give them time, they're not superhuman.

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    11. Re:Dupe? by typobox43 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that NBA Live 2007 has been completely scrapped for the PS3.

    12. Re:Dupe? by ShadowsHawk · · Score: 1

      People buy the same thing every year. Why not twice a year?

  4. In the long run.... by shoptroll · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm still curious to see how this system holds out in the long run. The launch is going to most likely go well, as long as you don't look at the real numbers, in other words they'll sell every unit they've made just forget about the fact that they are a noticeable number of units short of the initial estimates/hype. Long term should be a lot more interesting, they're still a ways off from the next installments of system-seller franchises. Metal Gear Solid 4 is still about a year away, GTA4 is within a year, Final Fantasy XIII is very very far off (supposedly only 1% of it is complete? Although might not be a big deal, FF7 shipped 2-3 years after the PSX was out). I'm just wondering exactly what Sony is planning to fill in the gaps between these 3 high-profile franchises which pretty have pretty much kept the PSOne and PS2 running.

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    1. Re:In the long run.... by revlayle · · Score: 1

      Perhaps Square is banking on the fact the PS3 will be somewhat affordable by the time they release FF XIII?

    2. Re:In the long run.... by shoptroll · · Score: 1

      Probably. Although I have to really wonder how low the price will be by then. After 2-3 years will it be down in the "typical" price range of $300 for a new console? In the mean time, it looks like Square-Enix is content to keep their bankroll going with Wii and DS titles.

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    3. Re:In the long run.... by twosmokes · · Score: 1

      these 3 high-profile franchises which pretty have pretty much kept the PSOne and PS2 running

      While those franchises certainly helped sell systems, they're hardly what kept the PS2 running. There was only one real FF game on it before last week, two MGS games, and GTA is cross-platform.

      It was the hundreds of games in between these releases that kept people buying PS2 games.

    4. Re:In the long run.... by realinvalidname · · Score: 1

      There's an underappreciated trend for nichey or B-list games from one generation to suddenly dominate the next generation. The Metal Gear and Final Fantasy series weren't terribly well known in the West until they went 3D and became sensations on the PlayStation 1. Grand Theft Auto was a little-played top-down niche title until its PS2 incarnation became a sensation with its [non-linear sandbox gameplay | violent, explicit, exploitative content]. Notice also how one generation's top titles tend to fade: MegaMan and Street Fighter were da bomb on 8-bit and 16-bit, but didn't evolve or age well and have faded back into niche-dom, Crash Bandicoot and Tomb Raider were PS1 fixtures but PS2 busts (har har).

      Anyways, the PS3's biggest games may not be the current fads (GTA) or old warhorses (FF), but instead, titles that come out of nowhere, maybe because their ideas were waiting for the right hardware. By this theory, PS3's biggest hit might be Metal Gear Solid 4... but it might just as easily be Bumpy Trot 3 or Rez 2.

    5. Re:In the long run.... by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      Depending on how far out the game is, they may be more in a "wait and see" mode, waiting to decide which console to release the game on prior to starting software development.

      Square's jumped consoles before - everyone assumed FFVII would be for the N64 until it was announced it would be for the PlayStation.

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    6. Re:In the long run.... by shoptroll · · Score: 1

      Alright point taken. But these are the big huge exclusive franchises to the system. GTA was always PS2 first, XBox + PC later. The fact of the matter is this: if you wanted to play MGS, FF, GTA, Jak & Dexter, Ratchet & Clank, etc. you wanted a PS2. The big issue is going to be how many exclusive titles is the PS3 going to have to carry it along, especially the bigger names. It's pretty obvious at this point that Square-Enix is putting a lot of power behind Nintendo and are about to release another game using Mario soon (Itsast Special with Mario: http://www.square-enix.co.jp/itastds/ ), not to mention the amount of support they're showing for the GBA, DS and Wii. My guess is that if the PS3 doesn't shape up to be the selling system that is expected, Sony stands to lose some noticeable 3rd party support.

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    7. Re:In the long run.... by shoptroll · · Score: 1

      Excellent points, especially since I know the trends you speak of since I've been playing games since the NES. In particular Mega Man has gone from niche (original series) to mainstream (x series) to oversaturated (battle network) and niche (zero and ZX) again. Also, I'd argue that Final Fantasy gained momentum (or potential energy) in the 16-bit era and then exploded once it went 3D on the PSX. A lot of Square's earlier games are not much to write home about, their work really started to take off when the SNES was released.

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    8. Re:In the long run.... by shoptroll · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's pretty much my theory at this point. They've proven themselves to be a company that is going to make games for the platform that will give them the biggest audience. Anyone who argues graphics/hardware capabilities had better take a good look at the S-E lineups on the PSP and DS and give a good explanation as to why there's been a lot more titles on the DS than the PSP. Their increasing interest in cell phone games is another good example of this. It seems like Deja vu if it's technology (and it's cost) that makes Square-Enix switch their "exlusivity" again.

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    9. Re:In the long run.... by Babbster · · Score: 1

      I would only nitpick a bit on 8-bit Metal Gear. I didn't even own an NES (well, I had one for a month after Dragon Warrior came out because I just had to play that game) and I played Metal Gear - it was indeed a big deal in the US. Maybe not Mario big (what was?) but it was still a big seller. I can still remember it as one of the video games featured on the backs of all my Marvel comics for a month. :)

    10. Re:In the long run.... by twosmokes · · Score: 1

      While I think it's great that Square finally got back on Nintendo, their flagship title is still Sony-exclusive. I don't see them switching this generation either due to the large amount of data they love putting on those discs.

      I do think that GTA4 coming out on the 360 at the same time as the PS3 will hurt PS3 sales down the road. Anyone still undecided next year won't have to buy a PS3 to get it like they did with the PS2.

      But I don't think you can count anybody out yet. I wasn't at all interested in picking up a 360 (I'm befuddled about all the hype over Halo), but Gears of War and Dead Rising have made me think about it. These are a couple of non-franchise games that came out of nowhere in the grand scheme of things. There'll be many titles like that for all the consoles.

  5. *Reads list for the 3rd time* by flitty · · Score: 0

    Nope, Nothing to see here. Thanks for the 13 game posting btw, net nanny doesn't like the "games" tag at work. I can't believe people are going to pay $600 for resistance? You all look as foolish as those who bought a blu-ray player on launch day.

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  6. Wow... by TomServo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember that I wasn't going to bother with an XBox 360, then as it got closer and closer to release and I kept seeing shots of PGR3, I just kept wanting one more and more, cursing myself for not pre-ordering. I finally tracked one down a couple of months after launch.

    I'm getting none of that with the PS3. As it was, the official playstation magazine a couple of months ago went nuts over the big killer-app launch title, Oblivion, and now that's delayed.

    I'm sure I'll buy one eventually, but I'm certainly not upset that I didn't try to get a launch box.

    1. Re:Wow... by calbanese · · Score: 1

      Oblivion was the big killer app that Sony hyped? Is there anythig about the PS3 version that makes it better than the PC or 360 version (seriously)?

      I would think hyping an exclusive title, like Resistance, would be smarter. If some kid begs his parents for Oblivion for Christmas, his parents can either wait until PS3s are available (if they are available to average consumers by Christmas), or pick up a 360 & Oblivion at the same store, right then, for less. At least if their kid is dying for Resistance, they can't get that on a 360.

  7. Should Be Less by duerra · · Score: 2, Interesting

    According to reviews, games like Tony Hawk 8 and Ridge Racer *should* have been delayed, because of framerate issues and bugs in general.

    1. Re:Should Be Less by Thwomp · · Score: 1

      Maybe Ridge Racer should have been delayed to polish it up? Check out these comparison shots of 360 vs PS3. I was quite shocked and had to double check I was looking at the right pics for the PS3.

      Surely there is some fowl play going on here because those PS3 shots look much worse!

  8. Re:ps3 by Aladrin · · Score: 1

    You do realize they can only sell what exists, right? The summary is saying that there won't BE a million units to sell in the US.

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  9. Re:ps3 by CarnivoreMan · · Score: 1

    Thats quite the bold statement you made there.... ....except, ya know... not.

  10. Untold Legends: The PSP Port? by Shiptar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't the Untold Legends series a PSP series, which is a clone of CHampions of Norrath for the PS2?

    That's a bit underwhelming. It's too bad that there's 1-3 total new games on that list? I don't know about Gundam or Resistance, so that's why I ask if it's 1-3.

    Hopefully the games come out faster than BR movies.

    1. Re:Untold Legends: The PSP Port? by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's been a TON of Gundam games. Can't call it original.

      Resistance seems to be genuinely new, even if it sounds a lot like that other virus game... With Mitochondria Eve... Forget the bloody name. Grr.

      What's the third one, that you were sure of? You don't mean Marvel Ultimate Alliance, do you? It's just a clone of another game, the name of which I forget. Another 'comic book heroes join together and fight in third-person overhead view'.

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      "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
    2. Re:Untold Legends: The PSP Port? by revlayle · · Score: 1

      Parasite Eve (I & II) made by SquareSoft for the PS1? The first game being based on the book "Parasite Eve".

    3. Re:Untold Legends: The PSP Port? by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 1

      to clear things up: Marvel Ultimate Alliance is a sequel/clone of X-Men Legends which is a clone of the console version of Fallout which is a clone of Champions of Norrath which is a clone of Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance which if I recall correctly started the sort of RPG/scrolling beat'em up genre, though it probably came as a console-friendly evolution from the earlier successes of Diablo and Icewind Dale.

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    4. Re:Untold Legends: The PSP Port? by F34nor · · Score: 1

      These Gundam. look way better than PS3. In fact they look real! Oh wait they are real, in fact they're the shit as far as I can tell.

    5. Re:Untold Legends: The PSP Port? by F34nor · · Score: 1

      This is the part that gives me a chubby.

  11. Sell more than they make by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, so you believe that Sony is going to sell more units than they can produce?

    1. Re:Sell more than they make by Cyno01 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, 400k units sold by retailers and then 400k units sold on ebay, thats 800k, pretty close.

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    2. Re:Sell more than they make by Draracle · · Score: 1

      Maybe they hope that the systems will be resold enough to bring down the loss_per_unit_sold ratio. Could that be the mysterious "???" in their profit equation?

  12. Re:ps3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go back to digg.

  13. PS25th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    post!

  14. Resistance is killer app by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For the Sony launch, Resistance: Fall of Man is the big title - Oblivion was kind of nice but not a deal breaker since it's not really new and people could also play it on PC's.

    Resistance looks to have a great story, and also really good multiplayer support with 40 people at once and no slowdown. Plus I have experience with the other games that publisher has worked on and I know they do a great job with control layouts and weapons.

    It's the title that is making me wish it wasn't so hard to get a PS3 anytime soon... I'm not keen on waiting in line.

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    1. Re:Resistance is killer app by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      Or you could, you know, wait until after Christmas and not fight in line for it. That's what I plan on doing for the Wii.

      You don't have to get it OMG RIGHT NOW, you can wait. Given the massive production problems that Sony's having, you may have to wait anyway.

      Who knows, if you're lucky, Sony will cut prices next year once they find the magical pixie dust required to fix their production problems. (Unfortunately it has a 0.5% drop rate on a rare spawn, so it may take a while.) Lord knows that if they don't get production up soon, they'll lose this generation solely due to lack of install base.

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    2. Re:Resistance is killer app by revlayle · · Score: 1

      Well, some of us can't. Our wills are as weak as our bladd.... OMG GOTTA PEE!

    3. Re:Resistance is killer app by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      Remind me to never sit next to you on a bus.

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  15. Blu Ray media and release games by Morinaga · · Score: 1

    As a kicker, I bet all of these titles are NOT on BluRay media but dvd media.

    1. Re:Blu Ray media and release games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. It's been confirmed that level data alone for Resistance Fall of Man was 12 GB or something.

      Sure some of the ones that are multi-platform won't need a full blue-ray, but all the PS3 only titles will definitely

  16. Remember: Games are Key by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Even if Sony hopes Blue-Ray will become a big factor, there are 23 Sony Blue-Ray DVDs out and not alot of those titles are going to appeal to everyone (little man? Stealth? The list goes on,) games (and to a much lesser extent accessories) are going to play the big role in Sony's success with the PS3 (especially short term.)Numbers from EnterBrain show 88,400 consoles sold (100,000 is an shipment estimate, EnterBrain expects the missing 12,600 are simply ones that were unable to be produced, not unsold.) 62% were high end which falls below the expected 80/20 distribution of PS3 models which, as unlike Nintendo, Sony loses money on every PS3 machine, we can conclude is actually worse as the profit-negating feature of the PS3 is likely to lie with the Blue-ray drive (and possibly to some extend the Cell; it sure isn't helping) which was present in the same cost in the lower model. We can assume that the features left off from the low end machine do not present a significant enough cost to be off set by the $100 short of the low end model (atleast not to make up the loss elsewhere, if not even making up the $100 itself.) Worse yet, despite analysis that all would likly have sold anyways, the Japanese PS3 versions were actually cheaper than what the US will recieve, most probably creating all the larger hill for Sony to surmount in the quest for profit.

    But the more important factor is the game sales. Top two games sales were Ridge Racer 7 and Gundum at 30,000 each. Togther, that's only 60,000 games sold! Not even 1 game per system sold (lousy ebayers?) Of course, we don't have difinitive numbers on what the other 3 games available at Japan's launch are (only that they didn't reach 30,000) but we can only guess they might have made up atleast 22,000 if that (Doubt Genji sold well; check out the reviews, critics delt massive damage to that Giant Crab turd of a game.) Still, even assuming a difference made up towards one game sold per system sold, it is not hard to believe that that ratio will not make up the difference of system production costs.

    Though it sold out, we're still in for quite a rollercoaster ride as the Wii (a 'strong' competitor with a better quick returns setup) steps in and the production of both console start to kick in to high gear for the USA Mega-holidays Spend-O-Rifica period. Rumors and unverified reports put PS3 second salvos in the US stores ready by the 20th (launch +3 days) and Wii at about the same time (launch +1, though these are rumors) and we can only guess they're going to be out in their bests ready for Post-Turkey day Shopping Madness.

    Considering numerous games on the PS3 list are non-exclusive and exclusives like Genji have often been review, criticied and praised by Japan-launch capable news orgs, US shoppers have a lot of choice and information on the games to choose. Even if the PS3 sells out in the US, the different environment games are presented in here in the US (PCs and Xbox 360s being bigger here for things like CoD 3) could greatly impact Sony's success (in terms of profit and market share.)

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    1. Re:Remember: Games are Key by ben+there... · · Score: 2, Informative
      Even if Sony hopes Blue-Ray will become a big factor, there are 23 Sony Blue-Ray DVDs out and not alot of those titles are going to appeal to everyone (little man? Stealth? The list goes on,)

      Netflix has 212, and that's probably not even everything that has been released.
    2. Re:Remember: Games are Key by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 1

      Blue-Ray is not solely Sony's. Blue-Ray is the result of the Blu-Ray Disc Association, of which Sony is a member. This does not mean Sony gets a cut of whatever Blu-Ray disk sells. It means Sony takes part in developing, through the strategic alliance of the Blr-Ray Disc Assoc., the standards of what can be called blu-ray such that a blu-ray player plays it. Sony only profits from blu-ray media it produces (as in films from Sony Motion Pictures.) Of which there are only 23 I was able to find. Although there may be more Blu-ray movies, they do not benefit Sony (outside of intagables like having a reason for a Blu-ray player or solidifying it's chose format in the market.)

      Also, as far as I've seen, your website says it has nearly 150 And according to this website of releases plus previous releases, as of Nov. 14 it's only up to 99. And again, most of those are not from Sony.

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    3. Re:Remember: Games are Key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix has 212 Blu-Ray titles. There are 23 Sony Blu-Ray titles out.

      Remember, Sony is both a movie studio and hardware company.

    4. Re:Remember: Games are Key by ben+there... · · Score: 1

      Ahh...I see. Sony manufactured Blu-Ray.

      I noticed after I posted that instead of 5 pages of 40, plus 10 on the first page, plus 2 on the last, it's actually (4 pages x 40) + 10 + 2 = 172. Funky layout of pages on NetFlix so I miscounted. Amazon has 164 for sale, so it sounds about right.

      Still, Sony is successful if other studios produce Blu-Ray discs, because it means they didn't lose the format war. I'd also find it very hard to believe that the standards organization that spent all the money developing the Blu-Ray technology wouldn't get licensing fees from every disc that uses it.

    5. Re:Remember: Games are Key by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 1

      True, they do get liscencing fees (all the info you could ever want about that is here) But Sony is (according to that website) obligated by the same liscencing aggreements and must pay the same fees. So even if we ignore that the the Assoc. itself needs some amount of money from the fees to maintain itself, those fees are still split up among atleast the Board of Directors. Which is enough to warrent an assumption that Sony couldn't survive solely on a cut of the liscencing fees. The real money in Blu-Ray for Sony would come in the form of what essentially boils down to a rebate on its liscencing fees plus whatever they get from the actual media sale.

      Ergo my initial conclusion that the PS3's success depends on the games, not the relativly few Sony Blu-Ray disks. I suppose I could have been a bit clearer why I discounted the other blu-ray disks towards Sony's success with the PS3 (as the presence of Blu-Ray disks and Sony's machine playing Blu-Rays does not necessitate a success for the PS3, only disks made by Sony can contribute any real measurable success to the PS3 as are the only disks that significantly feedback into the PS3 production loop.) In any case, the real, true success will come because of games, Blu-Ray is an augmentation but Sony has clearly said they intended the added functionality to lead into blu-ray (atleast they have said so significantly more so than vice versa.)

      On the larger scale, yes, any disk sale benefits Sony and moves them towards success. But they don't affect the PS3's profitability because their impact is blunted by other available options and relativly small ability to contribute directly back to the PS3 cost. Its the same idea as saying Sony's blu-ray player would not have impacted the PS3 if it had come out on time or not.

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    6. Re:Remember: Games are Key by heli0 · · Score: 1

      Here are more figures:

      http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=69 969

      "Enterbrain, publisher of Famitsu, has revealed the the tie-in ratio of software to PlayStation 3 sales is 0.98 - less than one game per console."

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  17. Tony Hawk much faster on 360. by Viewsonic · · Score: 2, Informative

    Everything I've read shows that the new Tony Hawk game has some major slowdown issues on the PS3, while on the 360 it's pretty smooth but does sometimes take an odd dip in the frame rate here and there. All this hype how the PS3 was going to smash the 360 in performance seems to be false. The Motorstorm demos on the kiosks looks pretty bad as well. I'm wondering if this will end up being another PS2 compared to the Gamecube / Original XBox.

    1. Re:Tony Hawk much faster on 360. by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1

      Wow. Just wow... True, the PS3 still has to prove itself, but a shitty port being an indicator of potential? Yeah... I don't think so.

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    2. Re:Tony Hawk much faster on 360. by asc99c · · Score: 1

      PS2 and PS3 have both had unusual architectures that were inherently well suited to their purpose but not necessarily as easy to develop for. Both Xboxes are based closely on PC architectures so on release developers know how to get a result.

      PS2 is way slower than Xbox, but actual graphics differences are very slight now that developers have fully worked it out. I remember PS2 game graphics getting better with every new generation of games for a few years after release. Xbox started with Halo and has never got much better than that.

      PS3 has more raw processing power than Xbox 360 and in a couple of years I suspect games will be running nicer on PS3, but for now developers are still working out what to do with it.

    3. Re:Tony Hawk much faster on 360. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Nobody doubts that the PS3 has potential. If you just look at raw numbers (like everyone did with the Emotion Engine, but still) the Cell is freaking awesome. I went to a talk by IBM about the Cell where they discussed some architectural tidbits about the SPEs and the internal interconnect ring (IBM loves rings*) which is also just nuts. When fully banging away, you could get a ridiculous amount of data throughput.

      The problem is you have to give those SPEs something to do. But it's a new programming model with some strange quirks compared to processors most programmers are used to, and I don't think the tools are up to snuff yet either so it's all manual coding to get it to work.

      I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of early games, especially the hasty ports from xbox, don't even use the SPEs and just use the Power core. In which case the PS3 isn't as powerful as the xbox.

      So there's lots of potential, no doubt about it, the question is just if we'll see it taken advantage of in most games and how long it will take for that to happen. As always the longer a console is out the better people get at programming for it. It just seems like with the Cell architecture that it is going to take longer for people to wrap their heads around the PS3, even if the payoff is huge.

      It's interesting that in this generation there seems to be higher barriers to porting than before. The PS3 with it's odd architecture and the Wii with it's odd control scheme may mean we see fewer ports... or maybe just shittier ones. Maybe that's what Tony Hawk is a herald of.

      * Maybe it's just me, but between their obvious love of rings (ring interconnect bus on Cell, using token ring networks as late as 98) and their legal team known as the Nazgul, IBM kinda scares me.

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    4. Re:Tony Hawk much faster on 360. by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1

      Well if a developer is not taking advantage of the SPEs, chances are they didn't bother to take advantage of the extra cores in the 360 either. Perhaps.

      I find it far more likely that the developer just has a much better handle on DX9 than OpenGL(which is basically what the PS3 graphics API is).

      It's interesting that in this generation there seems to be higher barriers to porting than before. The PS3 with it's odd architecture and the Wii with it's odd control scheme may mean we see fewer ports... or maybe just shittier ones. Maybe that's what Tony Hawk is a herald of.

      That is actually an interesting observation. Personally, I'd prefer to see fewer ports, or maybe ports that are just far more differentiated. If I have to buy more than one console in order to play everything I want to play, so be it. I don't need everything right away, I can wait and save money or whatever... or drop enough hints to my wife so that she gets me the second/third console for $occasion.

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    5. Re:Tony Hawk much faster on 360. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Well if a developer is not taking advantage of the SPEs, chances are they didn't bother to take advantage of the extra cores in the 360 either. Perhaps.

      Perhaps, yes. The 360 requires threaded programming to use well. The PS3 needs to be multithreaded, and those threads have to be suitable for the SPEs which have strange programming models. For example, their 'caches' don't mirror memory like normal caches, instead the they have to be explicitly managed and data moved in and out.


      I find it far more likely that the developer just has a much better handle on DX9 than OpenGL(which is basically what the PS3 graphics API is).


      Very well could be, I hadn't thought of the API issue at all.

      That is actually an interesting observation. Personally, I'd prefer to see fewer ports, or maybe ports that are just far more differentiated. If I have to buy more than one console in order to play everything I want to play, so be it.

      I'm not sure how I feel about it. I don't really want to buy multiple consoles, but I also don't really like crappy ports. If I only have one console, I also don't care how differentiated they are.

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    6. Re:Tony Hawk much faster on 360. by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1

      Well, yes, the SPEs are certainly more of a hurdle than using multiple "normal" cores. MS has also provided a lot of documentation and explicitly laid out some development models for using the multiple cores. But Sony has also provided developers with libraries that use the SPEs themselves to ease the burden of learning the architecture somewhat. Still, I certainly can't imagine the PS3 being nearly as straight-forward to develop for as the 360 though.

      I'm not sure how I feel about it. I don't really want to buy multiple consoles, but I also don't really like crappy ports. If I only have one console, I also don't care how differentiated they are.

      I know what you mean. Still, I'm sick of all the awful ports from the last gen that I can't help but be optimistic :)

      Nothing is worse than games that are unoptimized for every system...

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    7. Re:Tony Hawk much faster on 360. by mink · · Score: 1

      "Both Xboxes are based closely on PC architectures so on release developers know how to get a result."

      A 3 core, in-order executing, RS6000 chip is what you consider PC architecture?

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    8. Re:Tony Hawk much faster on 360. by asc99c · · Score: 1

      The CPU of the 360 is not a standard x86 design but it's still a fairly standard sort of design (Power PC) compared to what's in the Playstation. Other internals of the 360 include PCI-Express interconnects, DDR memory and a fairly standard PC GPU. PS3 by comparison is using RAMBUS XDR memory, proprietary interconnects (as far as I can make out), and a fairly standard PC GPU.

  18. Wait for it... by sirstar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The system has hundreds of games for it already! Look at all these PS2/PS1 games it can play! Why, you have hundreds of (repeat/re-hashed/duplicate) games to play until we get some new/repeat/re-hashed games out for the PS3 system! Buy, Buy, Buy!!!! Trade in your older systems now and save (very little) on the new PS3 toaster oven! And how many of the 'new' 'next-gen' games will just use the PS2 emulation chip? Time will tell.....

  19. 1 game? by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1

    The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?

    I don't have the other systems, so I'd be spending the money for the other games too.

    How the fuck does that get modded interesting?

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    1. Re:1 game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All anti-Sony posts get an automatic +1. +2 if they're legible.

    2. Re:1 game? by heinousjay · · Score: 0, Troll

      Awww, your poor favorite company isn't everyone else's favorite as well. It must be terribly hard on you to come to Slashdot everyday and not find the lovefest you know Sony deserves.

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    3. Re:1 game? by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

      His point is that there are only two games exclusive games being released contemporaneously with the PS3, one of which is said to suck. So that's 1 exclusive game. Whether you in particular have a console or not really isn't the point. The point is that for the cost of a PS3 you can get a 360 and a couple of the same games. So the question posed is whether or not that 1 non-sucky, exclusive game is worth the $600+ you're going to need to shell out to play it opening weekend. Which does, IMHO, make for an interesting question.

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  20. Who needs games? by sqlrob · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    After all, you'll buy it if there weren't any games.

    1. Re:Who needs games? by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      flamebait? Mod Kutargi, not me.

  21. Oblivion? by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1

    When was Oblivion ever hyped as a "killer app" launch title for the PS3? I read pretty much at least a little big of every major gaming mag and website, and I don't remember seeing it hailed as a "killer app" for the PS3.

    Resistance is definitely getting the most hype. Honestly, it didn't draw my interest at first(aka. just another shooter syndrome), but it looks like it's going to be really good, with a great story too.

    That's not to say I'm disappointed I didn't preorder a PS3... I can wait. I'm still not sure which console I'm going to get first.

    And PGR3? THAT sold you on the 360..? Not much of a "killer app"...

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    1. Re:Oblivion? by TomServo · · Score: 1

      Late response, but I picked up the November Official Playstation Magazine to get ahold of the Guitar Hero II demo, and the cover story was the big news that Oblivion would be a launch title. Given the way they were spouting off on it (I don't remember if they actually used the term "killer-app"), I certainly got that impression.

      And yes, PGR3 totally sold me on the 360. The whole series from Metropolis Street Racer on the Dreamcast has been one of my single favorite games and I'm a big racing game nut, so that was my killer app. It sure as hell beats out Ridge Racer 7 when it comes to racing titles. Sure, the physics aren't up to Gran Turismo or Forza snuff (though both of those pale in comparison to what's out on the PC), but the physics do make real world sense, they're just exaggerated, and that whole series has been a huge amount of fun.

      I picked up DOA4 and PGR3 when I got my 360 in January. I played DOA4 once and shelved it, I've never felt the urge to play it again. I still play PGR3, though it really struggles for time with Guitar Hero.

  22. It will run so hot... by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

    that you can put your extremeties next to the power source. That will prevent frostbite.

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  23. The PS3 Paradox by Clever7Devil · · Score: 1

    If it's a success and has good software, it'll be sold out for a year before you can get one.
    If it's a failure, you'll be able to get one, but the software you bought it for will never materialize. :(

    I just want to play FFXIII...

    Oh wait, by the time that game comes out they'll have a cheaper, more available console. Yay!
    At least Assassin's Creed is coming out for 360.

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  24. Ho Hum by mechapanda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For what it is worth, a couple of notes from someone who actually owns a PS3...

    The launch titles play infinitely better than what was available at the Japanese PS2 launch

    Mine has been running 20 hours a day since I got it home, no over heating, no game skipping, no crashes.

    It's a big beast (I nearly dropped it when I was handed it over the counter as the retail box weighs a ton), but runs pretty quiet compared to my original Xbox which I only use as a MythTV frontend.

    No Linux yet as we are waiting on the installer, but the good news is long term it will be possible to install any distribution that supports PPC (out of the box it supports Fedora). Bad news is that as pretty well all hardware access is via the hypervisor/virtual devices, there is no access to the GPU - yet.

    Despite the wishful thinking of Nintendo/Xbox fanboys, the games I own are ALL on BluRay.

    It's a really nice bit of kit, for me being able to buy a Cell dev box for 300 quid is an absolute bargain, and a fraction of what I paid for my Arm and PPC box's - and then I get to be able to play Metal Gear 4 and FFXIII too?

    If you can code, are interested in non-x86 processors, and can afford one, it's a no brainer - get one.

    1. Re:Ho Hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Despite the wishful thinking of Nintendo/Xbox fanboys, the games I own are ALL on BluRay."

      only Resistance is using a sizable chunck of the BD.
      Genji and other games are all within a one inch ring of the center of the BD.

    2. Re:Ho Hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Despite the wishful thinking of Nintendo/Xbox fanboys, the games I own are ALL on BluRay.
      Sony said so from the beginning. All games will be released on blu-ray, regardless of the size of the content.
    3. Re:Ho Hum by sirstar · · Score: 1

      Ok, so, how are the loading screens? BC?
      Does the PS3 suffer like the PS1/PS2 did/does from loading screens?
      Do the PS2 games play?
      Are the games worth it?

    4. Re:Ho Hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, are you the guy who kept calling the PSP a "nice piece of kit?" I ask only for information.

    5. Re:Ho Hum by dch24 · · Score: 1

      I see a lot of trolls responding to you. That may be because it's hard to believe you were able to get one from the Japan launch. Did you order it online? Did you fly to Japan? Can you prove that you actually have a PS3?

      Can you comment on the heat? Rumor is that the PS3 produces a lot of it, and would overheat in a standard entertainment center cabinet, or sitting on a carpeted floor.

      I think you're legit, but I can understand that some people will have a hard time believing you actually have a PS3.

    6. Re:Ho Hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ps3's I saw a few days ago were running in an entertainment cupboard, indoors at a large ps3 booth. There were no overheating/crashing occurances that I saw as I spent alot of time waiting to see :)

      I played the ps3 itself, it loads for a little while, about 4-7 seconds (eg not zero like some claims I have seen) but it was not a completed game. Graphics are awesome, controller is very light and the 'sensitivity' is not as good as the ps2 controllers I find, but that might have just been the f1 game I was playing.

      Dualshock is not a big issue but would be nice to see a larger wired/bigger battery controller in the future.

      This was at the 'big boys toys' expo in New Zealand, running on SXRD bravia 50" HDTVs. I'll be buying a 60" around xmas :)

    7. Re:Ho Hum by mechapanda · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Legit?

      I'm one of the Brit's who flew to Japan to pick up a PS3, though as I lived in Tokyo for 9 years I'm staying a couple of extra weeks to see old friends. See http://www.psm3mag.com/ I took all the photo's there and acted as the fixer to get the reporter Joel his PS3.

      I gave pre-order a miss, got down to Akihabara for 5am the day before, and was second in the queue at Asobit. Despite the issues at Yodabashi and Shibuya, we had only a couple of Chinese in our queue, and they were game shop owners who had flown over, and about 12 homeless:)

      The PS3 here costs a lot less than it would in the UK, so the whole trip + PS3 has cost me less than a weekend's skiing and a UK model in 4 months.

      I've heard that there is going to be an 8 page report on us getting our PS3 in the UK magazine PSM3, so proof enough I think:)

  25. Target Audience? by Mag_Linnard · · Score: 1

    I find it interesting that of the 13 games up there, 6 are sports titles (I consider racing a sports genre, especially in terms of Ridge Racer) and 2 FPSes. So the launch list seems to target sports fans and action gamers...which is not where I'd expect to find the super-hardcore gamers or audio/videophiles who are going to be able or willing to front the costs. I don't see a game there that'll trip the Drooling Rich Fanboy alarms to the $600 range.

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    1. Re:Target Audience? by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Most of the stuff on HDTV seems to be sports anyhow, so I think they're going for the right demographic.

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  26. Question about Madden 07 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone know if it's going to be like Madden 07 for PS2/XBox in gameplay, or the version on the 360? For those of you who have played both will understand what I'm talking about.

    I hope the NCAA that comes out will be like the PS2/XBox versions. I can't believe they chopped out individual defensive audibles in the 360 version! It's a great key to running a defense.

    I'm hoping the 360 ports were quick (Like what's been talked about with the PS3 version of Tony Hawk). With all the delays of the PS3 you'd think EA Sports would have enough time to polish off Madden and NCAA to near perfection!

    1. Re:Question about Madden 07 by HeavenlyBankAcct · · Score: 1

      Madden 07 PS3 is a port of the 360 version. So is NCAA. Sorry, but that's the breaks, I suppose.

  27. I just picked up a 360. by Blimey85 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I picked up an Xbox 360 last night along with Gears of War and Dead Rising. Will pick up a few more games in the next week or so and then of course Halo 3 when it comes out. The main reason I decided to go with a 360 and not a PS3 right now had nothing to do with the price. I wanted a system that had some games available. The PS3 won't have a large number of good games for at least several months. I'll buy one probably next fall unless something really great comes along. Having just bought a 360 I think that will keep me entertained for quite a while.

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    1. Re:I just picked up a 360. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody cares.

  28. bullshit by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1

    So the question posed is whether or not that 1 non-sucky, exclusive game is worth the $600+ you're going to need to shell out to play it opening weekend. Which does, IMHO, make for an interesting question.

    Bullshit. Unless you expect the whole life of the console to be what's available at launch. It is absolutely retarded.

    Especially when you are comparing it to the 360 launch...

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    1. Re:bullshit by HappySqurriel · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Unless you expect the whole life of the console to be what's available at launch. It is absolutely retarded.

      Especially when you are comparing it to the 360 launch...


      First off, I never referenced the XBox 360 ...

      Secondly, the reality of all next (new) generation systems is that they are the most expensive when they have the least ammount of content; essentially you pay a priemium in order to play the launch line-up when it is released. Certainly there will be better games released through the life of the system but there is nothing saying these games will be released before there is a price drop, or that your console will survive to see them (consider how many people replaced their system 12-24 months after they bought it because it broke).

      The fact is that you're spending $500/$600 to play Resistance or Genji ... You could spend $400 to play most of the other games on the XBox 360 or you could wait to spend $300-$500 on a PS3 when MGS4 (or whatever game you really want) comes out.

    2. Re:bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you expect the price to drop to zero? If you don't, then this comment:

      The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?

      does not make any sense. You mean to say, "The question is can you justify spending an extra $200 for just one good game?" In fact, what you really should say is, "Can you justify spending an extra $200 for just one good exclusive game, because I have disqualified all the non-exclusive games for reasons I haven't made clear."

    3. Re:bullshit by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1
      Wow. Really, just wow. What part of "opening weekend" didn't you read? I wasn't invoking the 360's launch, I was saying that its available. Now. In great quantities. It is also 2/3 the price of the PS3 and there is only 1 non-sucky game available only on the PS3. All the rest you can already play on the 360. Cheaper.

      So is that 1 exclusive game worth shelling out the $600+ entry fee OPENING WEEKEND? That's the interesting question in a discussion about the games available for a console's launch.

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  29. Pretty much my plan by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Or you could, you know, wait until after Christmas and not fight in line for it. That's what I plan on doing for the Wii.

    Well, that was pretty much my plan - wait until you didn't have to be in line three days in advance, or preferably at all. I feel no need to have it this moment, though Resistance looks compelling to me...

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  30. OffTopic: What video card? by BoberFett · · Score: 1

    Just curious about what video card you have, because I also still run an XP 2500 (though not overclocked and only 1GB of RAM) and recently picked up an AGP X800 GTO. I've been leery about picking up the more demanding games such as Oblivion, only to find out they run poorly.

    1. Re:OffTopic: What video card? by StarvingSE · · Score: 1

      Sorry this post is a bit late, I'm using the AGP verions of the XFX Geforce 7800GS. Very nice card.

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  31. Three exclusives and two good games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ridge Racer 7 is also a PlayStation 3 exclusive and got a very good review from Famitsu (36/40). So if I were buying a PS3 at launch (I'm not), I would snap up Resistance and Ridge Racer.

    The question is can you justify spending $500/$600 for 1 good game?

    How stupid. If your PS3 were restricted to playing only (exclusive) launch titles, your statement would make sense. In actuality, you're paying $500/$600 for five years' worth of good games.

    1. Re:Three exclusives and two good games by paedobear · · Score: 1

      Ridge Racer 7 is an uglified port of Ridge Racer 6 that got bizarrely high scores in Famitsu (All the launch PS3 games did)

  32. Wow 13 games at launch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All are of one genre, 1st person shooters. Give me a Wii anyday, at least I will have more of a choice in genres of quality games.

    Besides, what is the sound that people make on a roller coaster. I'll give everyone a hint, it isn't PS3 nor is it XBox 360.

  33. no, still ridiculous by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1

    No, that's still ridiculous. Think about it for just two seconds before spouting more bullshit.

    So is that 1 exclusive game worth shelling out the $600+ entry fee OPENING WEEKEND?

    Of course not. But that's retarded. You're not paying $600 for just the opening weekend. You're paying $600 for the console because you expect it to have the best lineup of games for the rest of it's lifespan. And unless the price drops drastically, you're only paying a little, IF ANY, extra to have it right away(eBay/scalper purchasers aside). If it's your only planned console purchase, it may well be worth the $50 or $100 premium to have sooner rather than later -- being *extremely* generous and assuming that the price will drop by that much within a few months when there are more available, which it almost certainly will not.

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  34. fair 'nuff by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1

    Heh... DOA. I played DOA..3 IIRC, and I've never had the urge to play any more DOA... ever. I'm just glad I played it before making the mistake of buying it first :)

    I hadn't heard much about PGR3, but since you mentioned it as selling you on the 360, I checked out some vids. It does in fact look very nice. I'm not much of a racing fan myself, but now that I've actually looked at it, I understand.

    I do like GT, but it is slightly too much simulation for me. Perhaps I'd enjoy PGR.

    I'm not sold on the 360 yet, though. "Gears" is the only exclusive I have any interest in. Other than PGR3, what else has made the 360 worth it for you?

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