Dude, you didn't even look beyond your particular taste. That does not constitute a serious sampling of works being... well, "kept alive" for the future. Indeed, there IS no way to get an accurate sampling, as DRM hasn't existed long enough.
It's not that I'm "connected to MIT jargon" at all, it's just I didn't know how else to put it... Fine, I just like to say "frob."
But I think your argument that a sampling of GUI/CLI frobbiness needs to be done is rather silly -- except "silly" isn't the right word, that sounds belittling; I would never belittle one of my elders... Bwahaha, hey, you mentioned age, not me:) I'm fast approaching 30 and feel old enough already. Anyway... There simply doesn't exist that many OSes, and I think one can reasonbly come to a conclusion without such an exhaustive effort.
Currently, major OSes consist of very little more than Windows, OS X, and other Unix derivatives. Windows is the most exclusively GUI oriented of all, yet it still relies on its (poor) CLI for many things(eg., all routing commands other than setting the default route). OS X is the most well rounded, with GUI and CLI methods of manipulating much of the system, yet still relying exclusively on the CLI for a large number of less commonly used things. Other Unix derivatives largely depend on the CLI.
On second thought, you may be right. That's far too many frobs to consider.
But as you said, "being closer to the system" is a very vague concept. Maybe I'd have had a better point if we entered x86(or whatever) instructions on the command-line. But somehow I don't think that'd fly.
As for Fonts on *nix today... there's plenty of frobs for those these days.
"CLI fans"? Is it me or are you biassed against CLIs and CLI users for some reason.
Anyway, one argument is that, on every OS I can think of, there are far more frobs you can frob from the CLI as opposed to the GUI, giving you more control over the system from the CLI.
Again, I don't mean to imply that it's an intrinsic trait of CLIs, it's just that way for historical reasons.
Are you seriously comparing the Windows GUI search tool to bash/find/grep/sed/awk, etc.?
Don't make me laugh. Woops! Sorry, already did =P
Actually, I'm partly kidding. I know perfectly well what you mean, many people fail to realize what you can in fact do with the Windows GUI -- but the *nix CLI is still far more powerful for searching than the Windows search tool.
OTOH... try adding some static routes to your routing table using the Windows GUI...
Practically speaking though, a CLI is usually far closer to "the system" than GUIs are. That's not the intrinsic nature of CLIs or anything, it's just how things developed.
But that's completely irrelevent to the point at hand regardless, I just wanted to point that out.
Your response is pure ad-hominem. You've attacked the poster, perhaps somewhat fairly, but it still does not prove your point. In fact, you didn't even address his criticism.
He stated that the PCRM is a puppet organization of PETA doing faulty research for propaganda purposes. I've skimmed the Wikipedia article, and it is full of citations from many different sources, therefore your argument against Wikipedia also doesn't hold.
So I ask you, is PCRM NOT a puppet organization of PETA? That seems highly dubious to me, considering the personal ties the two organizations share.
I don't buy that argument for a minute. There's an absolute fuckton of shit that people buy on an almost daily basis that cost less than a buck, or thereabouts. Coffee, donuts, fresh cookies, McDonald's dollar menu items, etc. I find it extremely hard to believe that CxOs don't understand that people who sell small-dollar items are making money on volume, and it's still wrong to STEAL their shit.
No, I find it much more likely that CxOs and their filthy ilk simply have no scruples. In fact, I've had to deal with enough business folk to be pretty mother fucking sure that is in fact the case.
Although... I don't believe that they're all sociopaths, that's pretty extreme.
I certainly agree about this particular software pirate. I can't say whether 6 years is the right term -- prison conditions varying so wildly -- but he certainly deserves to do some time in any case, IMO.
But regarding China... I doubt they execute as many people as we put in prison, so I stand by my comparison. But forgetting China, we still have nearly 3/4 of a percentage of our population in prison, over half for non-violent drug-related offenses. That's ridiculous. No other (supposedly) free country even comes close in terms of population percentage.
If people didn't do a lot of X's, a lot more bad shit wouldn't happen too. What the fuck is your point? According to "neonprime," hanging around with drunks or sleeping with the wrong girl are cause to not care whether someone is innocent or not.
Fuck that, fuck him, and fuck you too if you support that. This is supposed to be a free country.
And just FYI, sometimes the drunk who's going to start a fight, or the wrong girl, are not who you expect. But dipshits like neonprime think they can avoid all the situations we've been talking about. Well, he's dead wrong.
You dipshits. China would have to execute a lot more people than they do to even out the score with our prison population in the United States of Modern Fascism.
And you two act as if I'm excusing China's behavior. Quite the contrary. Please, let's get our own house in order.
I bet if their game sucked, they'd be the first to admit it, probably even admitting fault, and apologizing profusely, in their constant self-deprecating manner, and all would remain the same.
OTOH, if it's successful... I can't imagine how that would change things for them. Could be good and bad.
We already have more prisoners than CHINA who's population is SIX TIMES greater, and who's government is generally considered to be WAY TO HARSH and NOT FREE.
What were you saying again? Fair sentencing is a left wing value? You must be quite an extreme fascist then...
I take it you don't drink at bars? That's kind of lame, but understandable. I mean, I drink at bars, but I've never even SEEN a bar fight. But... whatever... OTOH, it seems you also do not sleep with women? That's quite contrary to human nature. How is that an acceptable way for you to live? And more importantly, you expect other people to deny themselves sexual gratification as well? Yeah, uh, no.
Actually, they were, at best, red herrings. Don't use big words if you don't know what they mean. Logical fallacies are pretty basic material. The fundamentals are available on Wikipedia.
You're right, it was an appeal to emotion, and red herring, which often overlaps with ad hominem, but not really in this case. Don't be such a douchebag =P
Note that I don't really disagree with you, I only took issue with your silly argument, invoking child porn and Osama bin Laden(in a single post!) and attempting to conflate two different concepts. Ownership and significance, or "seriousness."
Whether one can own a number is strictly a value judgement, one in which I agree with your point of view, to an extent. But child porn and Osama just don't come into it.
The only point I personally care about is the "punishment" she's likely to receive in this case. She would be LUCKY to do jail time in this case, instead of being financially ruined FOR LIFE quite possibly.
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He's probably a luddite, or a subservient little prick of an authoritarian supporter.
Either way, he's a goddamn fool to think his pathetic little example proves anything. Thinking ahead more 20 years is probably beyond his capacity.
Shit rolls down hill.
Way to look so far out into the future...
Dude, you didn't even look beyond your particular taste. That does not constitute a serious sampling of works being... well, "kept alive" for the future. Indeed, there IS no way to get an accurate sampling, as DRM hasn't existed long enough.
Perhaps. SOE does suck some huge monkey turds.
I know. I was only joking. And I realize what you were saying.
What do you mean adding static routes to your routing table using the Windows GUI?
Ie. you can't. You have to use command.com/cmd.exe and use the 'route' command to add static routes in Windows.
Hahaha, frobs indeed.
:) I'm fast approaching 30 and feel old enough already. Anyway... There simply doesn't exist that many OSes, and I think one can reasonbly come to a conclusion without such an exhaustive effort.
It's not that I'm "connected to MIT jargon" at all, it's just I didn't know how else to put it... Fine, I just like to say "frob."
But I think your argument that a sampling of GUI/CLI frobbiness needs to be done is rather silly -- except "silly" isn't the right word, that sounds belittling; I would never belittle one of my elders... Bwahaha, hey, you mentioned age, not me
Currently, major OSes consist of very little more than Windows, OS X, and other Unix derivatives. Windows is the most exclusively GUI oriented of all, yet it still relies on its (poor) CLI for many things(eg., all routing commands other than setting the default route). OS X is the most well rounded, with GUI and CLI methods of manipulating much of the system, yet still relying exclusively on the CLI for a large number of less commonly used things. Other Unix derivatives largely depend on the CLI.
On second thought, you may be right. That's far too many frobs to consider.
But as you said, "being closer to the system" is a very vague concept. Maybe I'd have had a better point if we entered x86(or whatever) instructions on the command-line. But somehow I don't think that'd fly.
As for Fonts on *nix today... there's plenty of frobs for those these days.
I'm not saying "frob" again for a while.
And the current /. groupthink is that Sony are a bunch tightasses. Judging by past history, Nintendo would have been more likely to send 1,200 lawyers.
"CLI fans"? Is it me or are you biassed against CLIs and CLI users for some reason.
Anyway, one argument is that, on every OS I can think of, there are far more frobs you can frob from the CLI as opposed to the GUI, giving you more control over the system from the CLI.
Again, I don't mean to imply that it's an intrinsic trait of CLIs, it's just that way for historical reasons.
Are you seriously comparing the Windows GUI search tool to bash/find/grep/sed/awk, etc.?
Don't make me laugh. Woops! Sorry, already did =P
Actually, I'm partly kidding. I know perfectly well what you mean, many people fail to realize what you can in fact do with the Windows GUI -- but the *nix CLI is still far more powerful for searching than the Windows search tool.
OTOH... try adding some static routes to your routing table using the Windows GUI...
Practically speaking though, a CLI is usually far closer to "the system" than GUIs are. That's not the intrinsic nature of CLIs or anything, it's just how things developed.
But that's completely irrelevent to the point at hand regardless, I just wanted to point that out.
Your response is pure ad-hominem. You've attacked the poster, perhaps somewhat fairly, but it still does not prove your point. In fact, you didn't even address his criticism.
He stated that the PCRM is a puppet organization of PETA doing faulty research for propaganda purposes. I've skimmed the Wikipedia article, and it is full of citations from many different sources, therefore your argument against Wikipedia also doesn't hold.
So I ask you, is PCRM NOT a puppet organization of PETA? That seems highly dubious to me, considering the personal ties the two organizations share.
I don't buy that argument for a minute. There's an absolute fuckton of shit that people buy on an almost daily basis that cost less than a buck, or thereabouts. Coffee, donuts, fresh cookies, McDonald's dollar menu items, etc. I find it extremely hard to believe that CxOs don't understand that people who sell small-dollar items are making money on volume, and it's still wrong to STEAL their shit.
:)
No, I find it much more likely that CxOs and their filthy ilk simply have no scruples. In fact, I've had to deal with enough business folk to be pretty mother fucking sure that is in fact the case.
Although... I don't believe that they're all sociopaths, that's pretty extreme.
Yeah, *grumble* filthy fucking bastards *grumble*
Not to mention the british army's horror that sharpshooters deliberately targeted their officers in battle.
Now THAT is the awesomest^Wmost awful thing any group of rebels^Wterrorists should^Wcan do.
No, really, war needs to become more awful for our "leaders" so maybe they'll stop making us kill each other all the time.
Imagine if those responsible for wars were the first to die. *Sigh* of course it's not quite that simple...
I certainly agree about this particular software pirate. I can't say whether 6 years is the right term -- prison conditions varying so wildly -- but he certainly deserves to do some time in any case, IMO.
But regarding China... I doubt they execute as many people as we put in prison, so I stand by my comparison. But forgetting China, we still have nearly 3/4 of a percentage of our population in prison, over half for non-violent drug-related offenses. That's ridiculous. No other (supposedly) free country even comes close in terms of population percentage.
You're telling people you don't care if they wind up in prison, innocent or not, and you can't take a little ad hominem attack?
Real good show there you asshat.
If people didn't do a lot of X's, a lot more bad shit wouldn't happen too. What the fuck is your point? According to "neonprime," hanging around with drunks or sleeping with the wrong girl are cause to not care whether someone is innocent or not.
Fuck that, fuck him, and fuck you too if you support that. This is supposed to be a free country.
And just FYI, sometimes the drunk who's going to start a fight, or the wrong girl, are not who you expect. But dipshits like neonprime think they can avoid all the situations we've been talking about. Well, he's dead wrong.
You dipshits. China would have to execute a lot more people than they do to even out the score with our prison population in the United States of Modern Fascism.
And you two act as if I'm excusing China's behavior. Quite the contrary. Please, let's get our own house in order.
I bet if their game sucked, they'd be the first to admit it, probably even admitting fault, and apologizing profusely, in their constant self-deprecating manner, and all would remain the same.
OTOH, if it's successful... I can't imagine how that would change things for them. Could be good and bad.
We already have more prisoners than CHINA who's population is SIX TIMES greater, and who's government is generally considered to be WAY TO HARSH and NOT FREE.
What were you saying again? Fair sentencing is a left wing value? You must be quite an extreme fascist then...
I take it you don't drink at bars? That's kind of lame, but understandable. I mean, I drink at bars, but I've never even SEEN a bar fight. But... whatever... OTOH, it seems you also do not sleep with women? That's quite contrary to human nature. How is that an acceptable way for you to live? And more importantly, you expect other people to deny themselves sexual gratification as well? Yeah, uh, no.
You're a real piece of shit there. FOAD, you insufferable fool.
That's a great idea... IF YOU WANT THE INTERNET TO BECOME JUST MORE OF WHAT WE HAVE ON TV.
That's what you get when you auction everything off to the highest bidder. The already rich companies own everything, and noone else gets a chance.
Actually, they were, at best, red herrings. Don't use big words if you don't know what they mean. Logical fallacies are pretty basic material. The fundamentals are available on Wikipedia.
You're right, it was an appeal to emotion, and red herring, which often overlaps with ad hominem, but not really in this case. Don't be such a douchebag =P
Note that I don't really disagree with you, I only took issue with your silly argument, invoking child porn and Osama bin Laden(in a single post!) and attempting to conflate two different concepts. Ownership and significance, or "seriousness."
Whether one can own a number is strictly a value judgement, one in which I agree with your point of view, to an extent. But child porn and Osama just don't come into it.
The only point I personally care about is the "punishment" she's likely to receive in this case. She would be LUCKY to do jail time in this case, instead of being financially ruined FOR LIFE quite possibly.