Just because you've granted a license (through TOS, etc) to a third party, so they can use material for which you still retain the copyrights... does NOT mean that the subjects in the photos have waived their privacy rights. Third parties looking to use the images commercially (NOT the photographer!) are the ones responsible for having that signed model release in hand, and are the targets for a suit in case of mis-using someone's likeness. Doesn't mean the pissed off subject won't also sue the photographer (because you can sue the proverbial ham sandwich, if you want), but the law is very clear in this area. The party that puts the image to commercial use is the one that needs the release in hand. It's not the photographer's responsibility to obtain it, keep it, or provide it to anyone (unless they've signed a contract with a third party that calls for them to do so... but that's very specific, professional circumstances).
In China, with no guns, a mentally ill guy assaults 20 people and none of them are dead.
Right. Whereas in Japan, a guy with a kitchen knife can kill lots of school kids at once because... knives are sharper in Japan, or knives cause more crime there? It is indeed the person, not the tool. The Chinese guy with the knife wasn't as mean or skilled, obviously. And that's really what's it all about: bad people doing bad things. They have opposable thumbs and brains - they'll kill people by one means or another if they're damaged goods enough to want to.
Right. They pulled up to help armed insurgents in an area where armed insurgents had been attacking all day long. You know, shooting at people. Killing them.
The armed insurgents' support system (people bringing them more weapons, lunch, or a lift to some medical help) are part of the problem. When they deliberately get involved in supporting people who do what the insurgents do, they take on the risk of catching what the insurgents are inviting down on themselves. It's not exactly mysterious.
Which is your way of saying... what? Stop using force to attempt to shut down insurgents who deliberately kill women and children because they are women and children? Or are you simply arguing for absolute perfection in every military action, ever? Oh, well, then. That's easy.
I wonder if it will also see the same RPGs, weapons, and related items among a group of insurgents like that, right in the area where armed combat had been happening all day? Or are you wondering if the helicopter will autonomously edit video in order to make the military look bad? I wonder if the helicopter will somehow cause reporters to forget to tell the military where they are, and to hang out - without markings - with armed insurgents in a combat area? Autonomy is tricky! Just like autonomy among reporters who want to hang out with killer insurgents to get material they can sell for more money.
Yes. The 100,000+ cables he released are full of that sort of thing, mixed in with boring (but sensitive) diplomatic advisories and communication from embassy staff, etc. If you're pretending you have been boning up on the content he leaked, then you shouldn't be pretending to require citations. It's all out in the public, now, of course - thanks to that idiot.
Yes! He clearly was on a noble quest to shed light on specific people and practices that were unjust or corrupt! Yay!
That explains why he was doling out things like the identities of people supporting the freedom movement in Iran, so that their families can be hounded by the regime there. That explains why he went out of his way to expose carefully created covert operations aimed at defaning groups like Al Queda as they and their buddies try to Taliban-ize exciting new destinations in Africa. We sure don't want to have fragile local governments there having any quiet support while they deal with groups that like to shoot school teachers in the head for teaching girls to read! Manning has bravely helped to make sure that support given to local governments in places like that is done in a way that will allow jihaddist nut jobs to better hunt down and kill those who would organize against them in such places. What a hero! What a freedom loving individual! Yay for him!
Right! All people are the same, all circumstances are the same. All levels of trust and betrayal and consequence and risk are the same everyplace, all the time. Nobody should be held or in any way ever inconvenienced no matter what they've been caught red-handed doing, or what is placed at risk for doing so. Military personnel trusted with secure information who spitefully spew hundreds of thousands of documents into the hands of people who would otherwise have to conduct major espionage campaigns to get the same information - people who do that and conspire with web site operators to arrange for the illegal transfer and storage of classified material... yeah, they should be treated just like a 12 year old shoplifter caught stealing gum, or someone who parks in a handicap spot at the mall.
Did he know he would be held for two years without trial?
What does it matter? He knew that he did it, and that he was guilty of doing it the moment he decided to do it. That means the end of his life, or at least spending the entire rest of it in prison for his vain drama-queen treachery. How long he sits in one cell or another during various phases of the entire rest of his life, which he knowingly wrote off in a fit of pique because he wished he hadn't taken the job in the first place... it really doesn't matter. He wrote off the rest of his life the minute he worked with Assange's operation to find a place to park and disseminate all of that random sensitive data. Yes, he knew. He knew the big picture (life in prison, at least) - which makes the little stuff, like in which order he sat in which cell while his lawyers and the prosecutors examine the circumstances and consequences of his publishing many thousands of documents. He didn't still a truck from the motor pool, or get in a bar fight. He ripped off a mountain of data, causing trails into thousands of different directions. For a trial, it's all of those directions that will come up, not just one act. Two years is short, for that.
The US has not been in a state of war since 1945. Correct.
Just out of curiosity, what do you personally get out of being a troll? How does lying about history, or pretending that places like Korea don't exist... what does that actually achieve for you? I'm guessing it's all an indirect way to attempt to paint Manning as some sort of Really Nice Guy who doesn't deserve to be given a hard time for his staggering breach of trust. But because that position is also completely irrational and held only by clueless, non-worldly people who can't muster the energy and attention span to actually understand consequences, I'm assuming you're just a 10th grader copying/pasting from zealous lefty blogs.
What makes you think that spending hundreds of billions of dollars on something won't involve at least some real success stories among the thousands of businesses with whom that money is spent? Why do you not want people to be successful in an industry that everyone says they wish was more attractive?
Too bad no one suggested or is suggesting the rhetoric you think is funny sarcasm.
Right, no one. Other than an endless parade of lefties (many right her on/.) that routinely castigate business owners for... being business owners, and for being successful. The Obama campaign's entire premise was a populist class-anger pitch that rich people (who pay the vast majority of the taxes) don't pay enough taxes... even though taxing them at 100% wouldn't even put a dent in the deficit.
That rhetoric - vitriolic hatred of people who sign paychecks - is nearly epidemic. Employers are treated like cartoon villains.
Drug tests are a dumb american war on drugs phenomenon
No, drug tests are a "we need tort reform" problem. Employers do it so that there is one less vector for a lawsuit when the employee hurts somebody by backing over them with a forklift while dreaming about a run to Chipotle.
Evil fascist corporatist 1% pig man! You should pay 100% taxes because all you do is take money now and not work, making all of your slave labor wage workers, who you probably won't let unionize, do all of the stuff that really creates the money. Capitalist parasite! The only reason there are poor people is because people like you won't let them have your money, since you took the prosperity from other people by having a corporation.
Oh, wait, is the election over? Are people allowed to talk rationally and admire guys who start businesses and employ people, now? Whew.
You have obviously missed the point of civilization,
And you are so pious and obtuse you missed the point of my post. I'm talking about what a typical always-plugged-in coffee shop dweller is likely to encounter when confronting the real world after a serious calamity. The "posse" you postulate on, hanging who they think is guilty of something, is - just like it always has been - going to be your basic vigilante mob. Just as likely to go Taliban and kill some guy for looking wrong at Aunty Sukey as for dishing out proper justice.
The point is that the GP was complaining about being stuck with the "prepper" types after a disaster, and my point is that it's the prepper types who are going to be stuck with the useless no-skills-no-goods-no-equipment idiots who assume that the Nanny State will always be there to feed them past the one day of pastries they have on their kitchen counter. And they (the not useful people) are going to be jackasses about it, like they always are, and the people who have their act together won't be especially patient with them, nor should they be.
Has it ever occurred to you that the people who know how to farm, hunt and gut a deer, hand-load ammo, and know which mushrooms will or won't kill you... that they think you're the one that will make a post-apocalyptic world intolerable? Where's my latte! Why isn't there a better set of legislative checks and balances on who in this survival village gets to own a gun! Who do I get to do the laundry around here? My mobile device isn't getting any kind of signal out here! Say, who's the local dentist - I've got a toothache... but he's got to take Visa, because I have nothing valuable to trade except awesome WoW skills and some excellent Class 10 SD cards.
Blam. Get his shoes, and check those SD cards for any quality porn.
I'm not sure these people are queued for success...
They're not worried about whether they can really build "open source" bulldozers after the apocolypse. They're just looking to goof off and get cred with that hot girl at the maker event next month. Because even these folks are smart enough to know that unless they can rig up a way to make really good antibiotics, and store them while they're fresh, they're all going to be dead before they get around to building a refinery, a solar panel fab plant, and enough defenses to keep the surrounding barbarians (who have no interest in making anything, just taking it from those that do) from slitting their throats on the first dark night.
Grubby young people going about something they enjoy while not being particularly focused on reality because, after all, it's really just a party opportunity? It's Occupy Fantasyland. And they are 99% not taking this seriously.
They shouldn't unless there's probable cause for a search, as this is a search.
The issue being discussed is the probable cause that's established when a dog happens to notice something while not in the middle of a search (say, while walking down the sidewalk, not inside a house). A dog's signaling from the sidewalk isn't any different than a police officer smelling a cloud of weed from the sidewalk.
Is there a reason we have to assume either all cops are well and good and 100% pure all the time or they're all evil dicks out to get you 100% of the time?
Apparently so, because the people in this thread are making it sound like no handler and his dog should be trusted, ever, to legitimately pick up on contraband.
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Just because you've granted a license (through TOS, etc) to a third party, so they can use material for which you still retain the copyrights ... does NOT mean that the subjects in the photos have waived their privacy rights. Third parties looking to use the images commercially (NOT the photographer!) are the ones responsible for having that signed model release in hand, and are the targets for a suit in case of mis-using someone's likeness. Doesn't mean the pissed off subject won't also sue the photographer (because you can sue the proverbial ham sandwich, if you want), but the law is very clear in this area. The party that puts the image to commercial use is the one that needs the release in hand. It's not the photographer's responsibility to obtain it, keep it, or provide it to anyone (unless they've signed a contract with a third party that calls for them to do so ... but that's very specific, professional circumstances).
In China, with no guns, a mentally ill guy assaults 20 people and none of them are dead.
Right. Whereas in Japan, a guy with a kitchen knife can kill lots of school kids at once because ... knives are sharper in Japan, or knives cause more crime there? It is indeed the person, not the tool. The Chinese guy with the knife wasn't as mean or skilled, obviously. And that's really what's it all about: bad people doing bad things. They have opposable thumbs and brains - they'll kill people by one means or another if they're damaged goods enough to want to.
Now if only Google - with all of that reach - could help people to finally understand how to use apostrophes.
They pulled up and started to help injured people
Right. They pulled up to help armed insurgents in an area where armed insurgents had been attacking all day long. You know, shooting at people. Killing them.
The armed insurgents' support system (people bringing them more weapons, lunch, or a lift to some medical help) are part of the problem. When they deliberately get involved in supporting people who do what the insurgents do, they take on the risk of catching what the insurgents are inviting down on themselves. It's not exactly mysterious.
bombing good Samaritans and rescue workers
Which is your way of saying ... what? Stop using force to attempt to shut down insurgents who deliberately kill women and children because they are women and children? Or are you simply arguing for absolute perfection in every military action, ever? Oh, well, then. That's easy.
I wonder if it will also see the same RPGs, weapons, and related items among a group of insurgents like that, right in the area where armed combat had been happening all day? Or are you wondering if the helicopter will autonomously edit video in order to make the military look bad? I wonder if the helicopter will somehow cause reporters to forget to tell the military where they are, and to hang out - without markings - with armed insurgents in a combat area? Autonomy is tricky! Just like autonomy among reporters who want to hang out with killer insurgents to get material they can sell for more money.
it only took 6,000 years for jesus to show up riding a velociraptor
To my astonishment, even that clown Pat Robertson seems to have had a come-to-Jesus moment on that topic .
Wow, you ARE a lazy troll, aren't you?
Yes. The 100,000+ cables he released are full of that sort of thing, mixed in with boring (but sensitive) diplomatic advisories and communication from embassy staff, etc. If you're pretending you have been boning up on the content he leaked, then you shouldn't be pretending to require citations. It's all out in the public, now, of course - thanks to that idiot.
Yes! He clearly was on a noble quest to shed light on specific people and practices that were unjust or corrupt! Yay!
That explains why he was doling out things like the identities of people supporting the freedom movement in Iran, so that their families can be hounded by the regime there. That explains why he went out of his way to expose carefully created covert operations aimed at defaning groups like Al Queda as they and their buddies try to Taliban-ize exciting new destinations in Africa. We sure don't want to have fragile local governments there having any quiet support while they deal with groups that like to shoot school teachers in the head for teaching girls to read! Manning has bravely helped to make sure that support given to local governments in places like that is done in a way that will allow jihaddist nut jobs to better hunt down and kill those who would organize against them in such places. What a hero! What a freedom loving individual! Yay for him!
people who are innocent until proven guilty
Right! All people are the same, all circumstances are the same. All levels of trust and betrayal and consequence and risk are the same everyplace, all the time. Nobody should be held or in any way ever inconvenienced no matter what they've been caught red-handed doing, or what is placed at risk for doing so. Military personnel trusted with secure information who spitefully spew hundreds of thousands of documents into the hands of people who would otherwise have to conduct major espionage campaigns to get the same information - people who do that and conspire with web site operators to arrange for the illegal transfer and storage of classified material ... yeah, they should be treated just like a 12 year old shoplifter caught stealing gum, or someone who parks in a handicap spot at the mall.
Did he know he would be held for two years without trial?
What does it matter? He knew that he did it, and that he was guilty of doing it the moment he decided to do it. That means the end of his life, or at least spending the entire rest of it in prison for his vain drama-queen treachery. How long he sits in one cell or another during various phases of the entire rest of his life, which he knowingly wrote off in a fit of pique because he wished he hadn't taken the job in the first place ... it really doesn't matter. He wrote off the rest of his life the minute he worked with Assange's operation to find a place to park and disseminate all of that random sensitive data. Yes, he knew. He knew the big picture (life in prison, at least) - which makes the little stuff, like in which order he sat in which cell while his lawyers and the prosecutors examine the circumstances and consequences of his publishing many thousands of documents. He didn't still a truck from the motor pool, or get in a bar fight. He ripped off a mountain of data, causing trails into thousands of different directions. For a trial, it's all of those directions that will come up, not just one act. Two years is short, for that.
Just out of curiosity, what do you personally get out of being a troll? How does lying about history, or pretending that places like Korea don't exist ... what does that actually achieve for you? I'm guessing it's all an indirect way to attempt to paint Manning as some sort of Really Nice Guy who doesn't deserve to be given a hard time for his staggering breach of trust. But because that position is also completely irrational and held only by clueless, non-worldly people who can't muster the energy and attention span to actually understand consequences, I'm assuming you're just a 10th grader copying/pasting from zealous lefty blogs.
without a goatee?
No, without the double chin.
mansions for the few
What makes you think that spending hundreds of billions of dollars on something won't involve at least some real success stories among the thousands of businesses with whom that money is spent? Why do you not want people to be successful in an industry that everyone says they wish was more attractive?
Too bad no one suggested or is suggesting the rhetoric you think is funny sarcasm.
Right, no one. Other than an endless parade of lefties (many right her on /.) that routinely castigate business owners for ... being business owners, and for being successful. The Obama campaign's entire premise was a populist class-anger pitch that rich people (who pay the vast majority of the taxes) don't pay enough taxes ... even though taxing them at 100% wouldn't even put a dent in the deficit.
That rhetoric - vitriolic hatred of people who sign paychecks - is nearly epidemic. Employers are treated like cartoon villains.
Drug tests are a dumb american war on drugs phenomenon
No, drug tests are a "we need tort reform" problem. Employers do it so that there is one less vector for a lawsuit when the employee hurts somebody by backing over them with a forklift while dreaming about a run to Chipotle.
Evil fascist corporatist 1% pig man! You should pay 100% taxes because all you do is take money now and not work, making all of your slave labor wage workers, who you probably won't let unionize, do all of the stuff that really creates the money. Capitalist parasite! The only reason there are poor people is because people like you won't let them have your money, since you took the prosperity from other people by having a corporation. Oh, wait, is the election over? Are people allowed to talk rationally and admire guys who start businesses and employ people, now? Whew.
You have obviously missed the point of civilization,
And you are so pious and obtuse you missed the point of my post. I'm talking about what a typical always-plugged-in coffee shop dweller is likely to encounter when confronting the real world after a serious calamity. The "posse" you postulate on, hanging who they think is guilty of something, is - just like it always has been - going to be your basic vigilante mob. Just as likely to go Taliban and kill some guy for looking wrong at Aunty Sukey as for dishing out proper justice.
The point is that the GP was complaining about being stuck with the "prepper" types after a disaster, and my point is that it's the prepper types who are going to be stuck with the useless no-skills-no-goods-no-equipment idiots who assume that the Nanny State will always be there to feed them past the one day of pastries they have on their kitchen counter. And they (the not useful people) are going to be jackasses about it, like they always are, and the people who have their act together won't be especially patient with them, nor should they be.
Has it ever occurred to you that the people who know how to farm, hunt and gut a deer, hand-load ammo, and know which mushrooms will or won't kill you ... that they think you're the one that will make a post-apocalyptic world intolerable? Where's my latte! Why isn't there a better set of legislative checks and balances on who in this survival village gets to own a gun! Who do I get to do the laundry around here? My mobile device isn't getting any kind of signal out here! Say, who's the local dentist - I've got a toothache ... but he's got to take Visa, because I have nothing valuable to trade except awesome WoW skills and some excellent Class 10 SD cards.
Blam. Get his shoes, and check those SD cards for any quality porn.
I'm not sure these people are queued for success...
They're not worried about whether they can really build "open source" bulldozers after the apocolypse. They're just looking to goof off and get cred with that hot girl at the maker event next month. Because even these folks are smart enough to know that unless they can rig up a way to make really good antibiotics, and store them while they're fresh, they're all going to be dead before they get around to building a refinery, a solar panel fab plant, and enough defenses to keep the surrounding barbarians (who have no interest in making anything, just taking it from those that do) from slitting their throats on the first dark night.
Grubby young people going about something they enjoy while not being particularly focused on reality because, after all, it's really just a party opportunity? It's Occupy Fantasyland. And they are 99% not taking this seriously.
PETA will demand a monument to the billions of microbes that died when the pools dried up. It's kind of their thing lately.
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I don't think that phrase means what you think it means.
I wonder how much energy is bound up in mis-used apostrophes? If they can be cleanly burned, we're all set.
They shouldn't unless there's probable cause for a search, as this is a search.
The issue being discussed is the probable cause that's established when a dog happens to notice something while not in the middle of a search (say, while walking down the sidewalk, not inside a house). A dog's signaling from the sidewalk isn't any different than a police officer smelling a cloud of weed from the sidewalk.
Is there a reason we have to assume either all cops are well and good and 100% pure all the time or they're all evil dicks out to get you 100% of the time?
Apparently so, because the people in this thread are making it sound like no handler and his dog should be trusted, ever, to legitimately pick up on contraband.