Here in the real world, it happens. When a customer wants an app that does X, there are specific requirements for browser support. "The latest Firefox" isn't something you can put into a contract.
I suppose you could put in "the current Firefox as of August 2011", but what the fuck does that mean when you're in 2013 trying to figure out if you've fulfilled the contract or not?
And the people who have to troubleshoot when something doesn't work. Because when I say "do you have the latest Firefox" and they say "I have no idea", then what?
Mozilla needs to stop thinking that their browser is facebook, and start realizing that it's a serious piece of software.
Who are these people that were bothered by not having Websockets? Really? Users don't care. Admins don't care. Most developers don't care because the browsers are changing so fast keeping up is a full time job and they won't be ready to deploy anything using Websockets for another six months anyway.
OTOH, lots of users are bothered by breaking addons. Corporate users everywhere are really bothered by the updates coming so fast that you can't bloody well test them. Everybody is bothered by the uglyness that is the current UI (which is still better then the hideous Thunderbird 5 one, I swear nobody tested that in Windows 7 and it was released half-baked because the schedule said so).
The heart of the problem is that your users are unhappy, and you're listening to somebody else. Stop and listen to your users instead, and they'll tell you what a stupid idea this scheme was. You compete with Chrome by making a better product, not by releasing faster then they do.
Until you guys start to understand what the problem is, I've stopped recommending FF to anybody (and our effort to get it at work is dead). If that was your goal, then congratulations.
They do, in fact last time we had one of the devs basically apologizing for that idiot Asa.
But most of Mozilla lives in an "I'm awesome!" echo chamber and they really don't understand why other people don't play along. I mean what other excuse is there for the abortion that is the Thunderbird 5 UI? No doubt to be fixed in Thunderbird 18. Maybe.
This happens to projects sometimes. They just go off the pot and turn wacky. When that happens its time to go elsewhere.
What's the carbon footprint of reading yet another absurd study on carbon footprints?
It takes less to build a bicycle then a car. It takes a lot less to power it. As a bonus, the human powering it gets exercise while doing so (which a lot of humans really need). We really needed a research grant to figure this out?
Oh but then we couldn't have Asa telling us why enterprise users are bad and we really want a new version every 6 weeks even if all we get out of it is a shittastic looking UI in Windows 7. (And that's generous compared to the disaster that is the new Thunderbird UI.)
I'm with you. Mozilla needs to clean house and get back to what they were doing when Firefox was growing: making a better browser for users.
Why is it that the only people who are surprised about this kind of backlash are the executives who never seem to notice that it happens every single time a game tries this type of thing?
Maybe their seven figure salary isn't high enough to pay attention to minor details like having a bloody clue what's going on in their own industry?
Unfortunately here in reality, Texas doesn't have enough water to meet its needs that easily. This is a problem most of the planet suffers and that the US has been avoiding due to having abundant water for a while. But the party is coming to an end.
The math on this doesn't matter a whole lot. The fundamental problem is that the US is addicted to borrowing and has no credible plan to stop. Forget about paying it off, there's no realistic way to stop borrowing more anytime soon.
The reaction to this decision is mostly emotional and not rational. Warren Buffet had this to say: "I can go out drinking all night, but if I've got a printing press, my debt is good."... yeah, see. THAT right there is the heart of the problem. "Print more money" is not a legitimate way out of debt. It's what banana republics do, like Zimbabwe under Mugabe (and it worked out so well for them). This is not an AAA debt, and people are only pretending it is because they have so much personal wealth tied up in it that the reality will be bad for them financially.
"I see poor understanding of the performance ranges of various components," says Bernard Hayes, PMP (PMI Project Mgmt Professional), CSM (certified Scrum Master), and CSPO (certified Scrum Product Owner).
There's such a thing as a certified Scrum Product Owner? Am I now being encouraged to go get management trained on how to be certified at owning Scrum Products?
I'm not sure if I can take what someone with a set of certifications this ridiculous says seriously.
Every now and then we see lawyers for a company do silly things like this. Lawyers live in their own world, nearly wholly disconnected from ours. In their world, they send lots of letters on anything that even remotely might kind of sorta maybe be in the same ballpark as their trademark.
In the real world, marketing sees the reaction to that. When it makes news (like this case), marketing goes to the CEO and says "hey legal is causing us grief." The CEO then tells legal to play nice in this case. Particularly since if they actually tried to challenge this in court they'd get laughed at.
Yeah, it's true. The number of channels has ballooned, but the money for quality content has not. So to fill all the extra space they need a lot of very cheap programming.
It's even worse in Canada, where we have the government dictating that we get the Canadian version of the channel instead, which is almost always an inferior version with some very low budget crap thrown in to pad the schedule and meet content requirements. The business model of these channels doesn't even depend on getting viewers, it depends on getting into a bundle with a more popular channel so people are forced to pay you monthly for something they don't watch. (Most Canadian specialty channels make more revenue from subscription fees then they do from ads, and it's not even close in a lot of cases.)
The whole thing is a bubble ready to burst, and Netflix was something of a tipping point on that front.
No, their main audience is the millions of people who play FPS games. A few guys who marvel at Carmack and really want to run stuff in Linux aren't that.
Can you name an instance where Sun knew the thing miscompiled loops before release and put it out anyway with no warning to users about the error?
I can't. Sun got stuff wrong sometimes, but this is an incredible level of actively poor judgement from Oracle. Anybody sane would have delayed this release.
These problems were detected only 5 days before the official Java 7 release, so Oracle had no time to fix those bugs, affecting also many more applications. In response to our questions, they proposed to include the fixes into service release u2 (eventually into service release u1, see [6]). This means you cannot use Apache Lucene/Solr with Java 7 releases before Update 2! If you do, please don't open bug reports, it is not the committers' fault! At least disable loop optimizations using the -XX:-UseLoopPredicate JVM option to not risk index corruptions.
If this was known before the release and it's as severe as it's being made out to be, why the hell didn't they postpone the release? It's not like the world is dependent on Java 7 being released on time.
This isn't a little issue, either. It's extremely irresponsible for Oracle to put this kind of release out knowing of a bug this severe without any kind of warning on it.
The 3DS is just a bad portable system. The whole 3D gimmick requires the system to remain still and in the right position. That means it's not usable on a bus. Or in the backseat of a moving car (especially if the road is at all bumpy). Or if you're just a bit fidgety and don't want to sit perfectly still for hours to play your games. Or are one of the many people who get eyestrain from it. As a result the 3D gimmick gets turned off and left off.
Without the gimmick, this thing isn't much more powerful then a regular DS, doesn't really do anything extra, has a fraction of the battery life, and costs more. Is it any wonder people aren't lining up to buy it?
Nintendo should really ditch the hardware business. They have the most successful game development house on the planet, they should just stick to that. Let someone else lose money making hardware.
3D movie demand was actually pretty soft as this summer went on. 3D TVs aren't selling well compared to their 2D counterparts, and even when they do people don't usually use them in 3D mode.
And of course, the 3DS is a failure.
This 3D thing is mostly manufacturers playing follow the leader with nobody bothering to ask "does this stuff actually work well?"
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Here in the real world, it happens. When a customer wants an app that does X, there are specific requirements for browser support. "The latest Firefox" isn't something you can put into a contract.
I suppose you could put in "the current Firefox as of August 2011", but what the fuck does that mean when you're in 2013 trying to figure out if you've fulfilled the contract or not?
And the people who have to troubleshoot when something doesn't work. Because when I say "do you have the latest Firefox" and they say "I have no idea", then what?
Mozilla needs to stop thinking that their browser is facebook, and start realizing that it's a serious piece of software.
And the fact that those things DO exist for Firefox is FF's biggest selling point.
Shame that the people over in Mozilla's reality distortion field don't get that.
The main visible difference between 5 and 3.x is that 5 is a lot uglier.
Who are these people that were bothered by not having Websockets? Really? Users don't care. Admins don't care. Most developers don't care because the browsers are changing so fast keeping up is a full time job and they won't be ready to deploy anything using Websockets for another six months anyway.
OTOH, lots of users are bothered by breaking addons. Corporate users everywhere are really bothered by the updates coming so fast that you can't bloody well test them. Everybody is bothered by the uglyness that is the current UI (which is still better then the hideous Thunderbird 5 one, I swear nobody tested that in Windows 7 and it was released half-baked because the schedule said so).
The heart of the problem is that your users are unhappy, and you're listening to somebody else. Stop and listen to your users instead, and they'll tell you what a stupid idea this scheme was. You compete with Chrome by making a better product, not by releasing faster then they do.
Until you guys start to understand what the problem is, I've stopped recommending FF to anybody (and our effort to get it at work is dead). If that was your goal, then congratulations.
They do, in fact last time we had one of the devs basically apologizing for that idiot Asa.
But most of Mozilla lives in an "I'm awesome!" echo chamber and they really don't understand why other people don't play along. I mean what other excuse is there for the abortion that is the Thunderbird 5 UI? No doubt to be fixed in Thunderbird 18. Maybe.
This happens to projects sometimes. They just go off the pot and turn wacky. When that happens its time to go elsewhere.
Remind me where I can get the version of Firefox 4 that still has security fixes being made for it again?
Oh, right. They call that Internet Explorer.
What's the carbon footprint of reading yet another absurd study on carbon footprints?
It takes less to build a bicycle then a car. It takes a lot less to power it. As a bonus, the human powering it gets exercise while doing so (which a lot of humans really need). We really needed a research grant to figure this out?
Oh but then we couldn't have Asa telling us why enterprise users are bad and we really want a new version every 6 weeks even if all we get out of it is a shittastic looking UI in Windows 7. (And that's generous compared to the disaster that is the new Thunderbird UI.)
I'm with you. Mozilla needs to clean house and get back to what they were doing when Firefox was growing: making a better browser for users.
Has Netcraft confirmed it yet?
On the upside, this time the games spam is in its own tab. If you just read the stream, games don't appear in it.
The blog says they're "gradually" rolling it out. Might take a few days before everybody can see it.
Why is it that the only people who are surprised about this kind of backlash are the executives who never seem to notice that it happens every single time a game tries this type of thing?
Maybe their seven figure salary isn't high enough to pay attention to minor details like having a bloody clue what's going on in their own industry?
Unfortunately here in reality, Texas doesn't have enough water to meet its needs that easily. This is a problem most of the planet suffers and that the US has been avoiding due to having abundant water for a while. But the party is coming to an end.
The math on this doesn't matter a whole lot. The fundamental problem is that the US is addicted to borrowing and has no credible plan to stop. Forget about paying it off, there's no realistic way to stop borrowing more anytime soon.
The reaction to this decision is mostly emotional and not rational. Warren Buffet had this to say: "I can go out drinking all night, but if I've got a printing press, my debt is good." ... yeah, see. THAT right there is the heart of the problem. "Print more money" is not a legitimate way out of debt. It's what banana republics do, like Zimbabwe under Mugabe (and it worked out so well for them). This is not an AAA debt, and people are only pretending it is because they have so much personal wealth tied up in it that the reality will be bad for them financially.
"I see poor understanding of the performance ranges of various components," says Bernard Hayes, PMP (PMI Project Mgmt Professional), CSM (certified Scrum Master), and CSPO (certified Scrum Product Owner).
There's such a thing as a certified Scrum Product Owner? Am I now being encouraged to go get management trained on how to be certified at owning Scrum Products?
I'm not sure if I can take what someone with a set of certifications this ridiculous says seriously.
Every now and then we see lawyers for a company do silly things like this. Lawyers live in their own world, nearly wholly disconnected from ours. In their world, they send lots of letters on anything that even remotely might kind of sorta maybe be in the same ballpark as their trademark.
In the real world, marketing sees the reaction to that. When it makes news (like this case), marketing goes to the CEO and says "hey legal is causing us grief." The CEO then tells legal to play nice in this case. Particularly since if they actually tried to challenge this in court they'd get laughed at.
So, publicity will solve this one.
Yeah, it's true. The number of channels has ballooned, but the money for quality content has not. So to fill all the extra space they need a lot of very cheap programming.
It's even worse in Canada, where we have the government dictating that we get the Canadian version of the channel instead, which is almost always an inferior version with some very low budget crap thrown in to pad the schedule and meet content requirements. The business model of these channels doesn't even depend on getting viewers, it depends on getting into a bundle with a more popular channel so people are forced to pay you monthly for something they don't watch. (Most Canadian specialty channels make more revenue from subscription fees then they do from ads, and it's not even close in a lot of cases.)
The whole thing is a bubble ready to burst, and Netflix was something of a tipping point on that front.
They have to figure out that's the problem first, and they havne't. They prefer to just blame the Internet.
No, their main audience is the millions of people who play FPS games. A few guys who marvel at Carmack and really want to run stuff in Linux aren't that.
Yeah that's probably the answer. Some suit somewhere decided on a release date and minor details like the product not working won't deter it.
Can you name an instance where Sun knew the thing miscompiled loops before release and put it out anyway with no warning to users about the error?
I can't. Sun got stuff wrong sometimes, but this is an incredible level of actively poor judgement from Oracle. Anybody sane would have delayed this release.
Relevant part:
These problems were detected only 5 days before the official Java 7 release,
so Oracle had no time to fix those bugs, affecting also many more
applications. In response to our questions, they proposed to include the
fixes into service release u2 (eventually into service release u1, see [6]).
This means you cannot use Apache Lucene/Solr with Java 7 releases before
Update 2! If you do, please don't open bug reports, it is not the
committers' fault! At least disable loop optimizations using the
-XX:-UseLoopPredicate JVM option to not risk index corruptions.
If this was known before the release and it's as severe as it's being made out to be, why the hell didn't they postpone the release? It's not like the world is dependent on Java 7 being released on time.
This isn't a little issue, either. It's extremely irresponsible for Oracle to put this kind of release out knowing of a bug this severe without any kind of warning on it.
The 3DS is just a bad portable system. The whole 3D gimmick requires the system to remain still and in the right position. That means it's not usable on a bus. Or in the backseat of a moving car (especially if the road is at all bumpy). Or if you're just a bit fidgety and don't want to sit perfectly still for hours to play your games. Or are one of the many people who get eyestrain from it. As a result the 3D gimmick gets turned off and left off.
Without the gimmick, this thing isn't much more powerful then a regular DS, doesn't really do anything extra, has a fraction of the battery life, and costs more. Is it any wonder people aren't lining up to buy it?
Nintendo should really ditch the hardware business. They have the most successful game development house on the planet, they should just stick to that. Let someone else lose money making hardware.
3D movie demand was actually pretty soft as this summer went on. 3D TVs aren't selling well compared to their 2D counterparts, and even when they do people don't usually use them in 3D mode.
And of course, the 3DS is a failure.
This 3D thing is mostly manufacturers playing follow the leader with nobody bothering to ask "does this stuff actually work well?"