I take it you don't believe in a "right to privacy"?
Privacy is not anonymity. Privacy is in your own home. No police officer is going to bust down your door and ask for your ID in your own home (without a warrant). Your right to privacy ends at your doorway. That's why all these cameras can be put up everywhere.
As to police following you everywhere you go. In order to follow everyone, everywhere, it would literally take 50% of the population to follow the other half. It is an extreme waste of resources to follow anyone without damn good reason. Also keep in mind that these police officers are people, just like you and me. They don't want to follow you any more than you want to be followed. It's not like they are currently brooding because they don't know what you had for dinner last night.
As to monitoring individuals, that's gone too. Cameras can do that now and carrying an ID has no effect on that unless the ID contains some sort of RFID tag and the Gov't installs RFID readers all over the country, on every street, in every neighborhood. Trust me, the gov't does not think you are interesting enough to do that!
if you say "Here is my ID, PIG! Now shove it up your bacon laden ass!" he can arrest you for verbal assault of an officer - and if you are in a public place and say it really loud he can get you for disturbing the peace.
they already have more power than you think.. and if they request ID and you don't have it they can detain you until they can verify who you are if they have some probable cause.
How is that different than today? All a cop has to say is, "He looked like that guy we are after." (And yes, it has happened to me. I did the ride, but not the time.)
I'm so tired of that "Show me your papers" bullshit. So what, show your friggin papers then. Having to prove who you are.. or more to the point, who you are NOT does not mean that we are Communist (BTW, I thought Communism was a good thing here on/. But I digress)
OK, let's say your name is Osama BinLaden. You leave the house and decide to leave your ID at home. A police man stops you because you look like a well known terrorist and asks for you ID. You say, "I don't have it. My name is Bosama O'Laden. I'm Irish." The police man says, "OK then. Have a good day! If see someone named Osama, let us know."
OK, maybe you're not Osama. Maybe you there is an amber alert out on you or you are some well known suspect that should be arrested on sight. If you are a wanted criminal, all you have to do is leave you ID at home and you're good to go.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what rights are violated by having to show ID. There is no law that forbids you from saying, "Here is my ID, PIG! Now shove it up your bacon laden ass!" Thats free speech and it is guaranteed under the Constitution. However, there is no right to anonymity in the Constitution. If you can show it to me, carry the Constitution rather than your ID and show it instead.
I haven't heard a less well informed or more idiotic point of view in a very long time.
Well, to be fair, I have not seen a less supported or more idiotic post than yours since "I know you are, but what am I?"
And if you really disagree with my post and think that man is a cancer on the face of the planet, then do what any true environmentalist should do and qualify yourself for a Darwin Award.
I see your point, but just wanted to mention that man is not the worst thing that could or has happened to the planet. With our ingenuity, and if we were to have no conscience, we would have depleted the earth of its resources already (Native Americans were nomadic for a reason). It's not uncommon for a species in a closed environment to deplete all the resources available and die off itself.
While I am no chemist, I did marry one. I remember seeing a British TV show on G4 or something where they dropped a metal pellet into a ceramic bathtub. In a few seconds, the tub was demolished. I could only imaging what would happen if someone were to flush 10 of these down the toilet. Before I'm flamed and corrected, I understand that this pellet is not a liquid and making everyone toss their toothpaste will not stop this kind of attack. Anyone see the show I'm talking about and provide a link? I seem to remember them mixing a couple of benign chemicals to form explosions before the tub was blown apart.
However, Googling for the show mentioned above, I came across this link that shows a white powder and two liquids mixed together. When this mixture set (after 30 minutes) a match-head size drop of this stuff blew a watermelon to pieces. The video did not list the chemicals involved, but could this be something similar to what these guys were planning to smuggle aboard? I could see security testing for the finished product, but is it possible to test for the components that make it up?
And to those that say this is not possible, can you watch the video and explain to me how this could *not* be done?
*Successful* parasites don't kill the host...we on the other hand are doing are best to kill the earth, our 'host'.
I have yet to see a parasite anywhere that gives a rats ass about its host. For that matter, I've never seen any animal care about its effect on the environment. So, say what you will about man, but we are the only species on the planet that cares for other species (pets, PETA, conservation organizations and so on), recognizes its own impact on the environment and tries to do something about it (futile or not). So before you go "man-bashing", tell me of any other creature anywhere that would take a single step to save another species from extinction.
You think this is funny? I've got some incredible stories for you then. Get this. The other day - I'm in the grocery store and there is this guy walking around with a dog! In the store! Really, no kidding. A dog in the store and this guy is holding onto a harness the dog was wearing and the dog was leading the guy around. Can you believe it? Somebody should write up a funny post about dogs who shop for humans. That's a knee slapper.
And then the man picked up the dog and swung him around by his back legs. A clerk at the store was shocked at the display and ran over to ask the man, "Can I help you?" The blind man replied, "No thanks, just looking around."
Seriously, now.
You make an excellent point. If there is something that a disabled person can do (safely, and this is safe), there should be nothing forbidding them from doing it. I mean, that's what living in a free country is all about, right? Are the blind banned from strip clubs?
The function of "the red circle on tool bar" is to close the window... not quit the app! And it's on the title bar... not the tool bar!
There are multiple visual clues that you would not be saving the word processing document in your scenario:
First, the name of the active application appears right next to the Apple menu. If it's not your word processor, you're not going to be able to save it until you change focus.
Also, your word processor document appears with it's title bar dimmed. Since it's not in focus, menu actions are not going to act on it!
You in the role of helping students out is clearly a case of the blind leading the blind!
Try explaining focus to a 45 yr old English major who you just taught how to hold the mouse (she was holding it upside down, with the cord coming out near her wrists, pressing the button with the bottom of her palm). Seeing that with my help, she got her paper typed, printed and saved to her network folder as well as a floppy with an hour (most of that actual typing time), I think I served my students quite well, thank you very much!
My point is that this is not intuitive to the demographic that Apple markets to. These are supposed to be powerful, flexible, easy to use and intuitive machines. When MSWork is the only app I see on the screen, how come when I click on file, it's Safari's menu? I get it, but a first time computer user has no idea what focus and application switching means.
So... You're simply too dense to wrap your feeble little brain around the concept that an application can be open without having a window open???
That would be your problem... not the OS's!
No, that would be the problem of the 200+ English majors that used the lab. You know, Liberal Arts Majors, the kind that Apple markets to. Personally, I got it. No big deal. The problem came with the students to couldn't save a paper after opening Netscape to research their topic.
No wonder you posted as AC. It's one thing not RTFA'ing, but to not read a post you are responding to... You're a moron!
On virtually every Mac app I've used, the menubar is global for the whole application, so the only thing you're changing when you switch windows is the document you'll be modifying from that window. Big whoop, I can't think of a single case where the document I want to be working with has not been the document I'm currently working with.
I've had it happen all the time. Open a word processor and type a doc. Then open an mp3 player, web browser or whatever. Now close the window of whatever second app you opened. Now save your document. You click on file-> *wait, save isn't there*. Why? The word processor is the only thing open, the window is up front! What's the problem?
The problem is, even though you clicked on the red circle on tool bar, it may not have closed the app you were working with. So even though all you see is your word processor, the tool bar is still from the app you meant to close.
I worked in a "word processing lab" on campus helping students out. You'd be surprised to know how many could not grasp the fact that the red circle may not close an application and just because you can only see one window does not mean that the top tool bar is the tool bar from that particular application.
(of course, this was back when we were using system 9, but I don't see any difference with OSX)
I think you are forgetting about the Cole and several embassies in Africa. Or does it not count unless it is under your nose? I also think you are forgetting that the biggest AlQaeda recruiting tool before 9-11 was the way we left Somalia high and dry after losing a few guys.
These guys don't respect weakness. They live by the sword and will not quit until they die by it.
Pretty sure the Department of Justice is condoning torture and crimes against humanity now. Not exactly the most credible source of opinion on such things.
WOW! You must be ecstatic that GWB overthrew Saddam Hussein in Iraq. While the US may water-board, the US also provides religious material and information (such as which direction is Mecca) and allows Muslim prisoners complete freedom to practice their religion. And while there have been exceptions such as Abu Ghraib (sp?), which the DOJ prosecuted those involved, those that were being "tortured" can rest assured that their families are safe and not being punished for their deeds. Saddam Hussein, on the other hand, would torture entire families, murder entire villages, and even his kids practice rape and torture techniques. Talk about crimes against humanity! Why are you not posting anything about Darfur or Somalia where REAL crimes against humanity are still taking place? Or are those places not important because they do not forward you assertion that GWB is the biggest terrorist on earth?
Or is the enemy (Muslim tyrants and terrorists) of your enemy (GWB and conservatives in general) your friend, and you make up exaggerated bullshit to make it seem like your side is right, no matter who you have to ally up with and how many lies you have to tell?
I remember watching "The Lone Gunman" one day (thank God that show didn't make it!) and they needed more processing power to crack a password to take over a hijacked plane. "We could do this if had one of those new Octium 4's!" Well, they get one, right before the plane hits the building, they pull out their existing processor and drop in the Octium 4 (without so much as powering the machine off) and BAM! They had their password and saved the plane. (Oh, and no processors had any type of thermal anything!)
While you won't discuss politics with me (like beating your head against brick), I know better than to contest math with an astrophysicist. That said, with your explanation, I see the whole in my logic. I was assuming that an equal number of A and B fly. Still, by this logic and my uncorroborated numbers, one group should stand a higher probability of being searched than the other, but the overall risk from either group is much closer to equal, depending the number from each group that actually fly, at least in a purely logical (Vulcan) non-PC world.
While I was a math minor at one point, I still see math better than I prove it. I could tell the teacher/professor that X approaches, but never reaches 0 as Y increases (X=1/Y), but I couldn't prove it on the chalk board without drawing a graph. It helps me day to day, but didn't help my grades any. So I married a chemist and earned an IT degree.
you don't need to buy two ps3's. You could just buy the cheapest celeron or sempron pc available and it will still be faster than your athlon xp, plus tons cheaper than having two ps3's. And I highly doubt the ps3 is any more AC friendly than an athlon xp, have you seen that fan on that thing?
You are correct, but who wants a crappy celeron when they could have two PS3's? Of course, with the second PS3, I need another HDTV. That means another cable box for the bedroom... You see where I'm going with this? If I don't spend the money, we'll end up with another baker's rack, vanity, or some other worthless piece of furniture!
I see a lot of people here complaining that it is worthless without video drivers. I disagree. Granted, you won't be playing Quake on it, but that does not make it worthless. The first thing I will do when I get one is to have it take over the function of my current Linux box and run my web page off of it. Apache doesn't care what video card you have. This will allow me to dump my space-heater Athlon XP in favor of something a bit more AC friendly. Unfortunately, I won't be able to play a game and run my web page at the same time, but that's why I need to buy 2!!!:-)
Next, this machine will work just fine for checking email, typing documents, spreadsheets, presentations, browsing the web, downloading porn or whatever else you use a PC for. The only downside I see is the lack of storage space. Let's hope it takes external USB drives.
First, I included the first WTC bombing as well as Zac Moussoui (misspelled, I'm sure) to come up with my 25 number.
Next, I was trying to point out to the OP that even though there are white terrorists, when you factor in the number of white people that live here, the number is insignificant to the number of Arab/Muslim terrorists when the ratio is factored in. While I think that profiling should be used only sparingly (see the recent Muslim Cleric story in Minnesota for a good example of when profiling should be used), I'm tired of people throwing Tim McVeigh in my face to try to prove that white people are just as likely to commit a terrorist act as Muslims. Unfortunately, the numbers don't reflect their logic, especially since I only counted white males for the total number of whites and all Muslims (men, women and children) for the Muslim ratio.
Finally, I understand how terribly non-PC it is for me to even bring this up, but I feel that being PC is starting to cost this country too much in $$'s and lives.
Crap, I forgot to include the casualty numbers. Well, we know that 3000 or so died in the WTC. We know that one has died in abortion clinic bombings since 2000 (source), 168 died in OK City (source) and 12 died at Columbine (source). This totals 181, but we'll skew the numbers in your favor and say 200.
If you want to factor these numbers in to further my case, that's fine with me. By my quick math, that means that Muzzie terrorists have killed 150 people to every person killed by a Whitie, while only having.01 the numbers of whities.
So until Whities kill a lot more Americans in terrorist acts, I think that profiling is a good idea based on simple probability.
OK. How many people died in Columbine? How many died in abortion clinic bombings? How many died in Oklahoma?
Now, take those numbers, add them up and get a total. We'll call it WhitieCaused. Add up how many white people committed these crimes. We'll call that number Whities.
How many did on 9/11, and the first WTC bombing. We'll call that number MuzzieCaused. How many Arab/Muslim males caused it? We know the number to be 19.
Finally, factor those numbers with number of the particular profiles. Let's say the Whitie number is 20. (I'm being conservative) Now divide that number by the number of white people who fit the profile of the Whities. That's 20/100,000,000. Now let's take the number of Muzzies and divide them by the muslim male population or 25/1,000,000. This means that a muslim male is more than 100 times more likely to commit a terrorist act than a white male.
So, I'll agree with your assessment if you'll agree that for every Whitie that is searched before boarding a plane, 100 Muzzies must be searched before boarding a plane. Fair enough for you?
(Granted, numbers may be off a bit and it depends how far you go back on the abortion clinic bombings, but I have not heard of an abortion clinic bombing in several years. I looked it up. Since 2000, there have been 13 bombings, arson or attempted bombings or arson resulting in one death.)
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which includes all other rights including the right to privacy.
Privacy != Anonymity
I take it you don't believe in a "right to privacy"?
Privacy is not anonymity. Privacy is in your own home. No police officer is going to bust down your door and ask for your ID in your own home (without a warrant). Your right to privacy ends at your doorway. That's why all these cameras can be put up everywhere.
As to police following you everywhere you go. In order to follow everyone, everywhere, it would literally take 50% of the population to follow the other half. It is an extreme waste of resources to follow anyone without damn good reason. Also keep in mind that these police officers are people, just like you and me. They don't want to follow you any more than you want to be followed. It's not like they are currently brooding because they don't know what you had for dinner last night.
As to monitoring individuals, that's gone too. Cameras can do that now and carrying an ID has no effect on that unless the ID contains some sort of RFID tag and the Gov't installs RFID readers all over the country, on every street, in every neighborhood. Trust me, the gov't does not think you are interesting enough to do that!
well to be honest if the cop wants to be an ass -
if you say "Here is my ID, PIG! Now shove it up your bacon laden ass!" he can arrest you for verbal assault of an officer - and if you are in a public place and say it really loud he can get you for disturbing the peace.
they already have more power than you think.. and if they request ID and you don't have it they can detain you until they can verify who you are if they have some probable cause.
How is that different than today? All a cop has to say is, "He looked like that guy we are after." (And yes, it has happened to me. I did the ride, but not the time.)
I'm so tired of that "Show me your papers" bullshit. So what, show your friggin papers then. Having to prove who you are.. or more to the point, who you are NOT does not mean that we are Communist (BTW, I thought Communism was a good thing here on /. But I digress)
OK, let's say your name is Osama BinLaden. You leave the house and decide to leave your ID at home. A police man stops you because you look like a well known terrorist and asks for you ID. You say, "I don't have it. My name is Bosama O'Laden. I'm Irish." The police man says, "OK then. Have a good day! If see someone named Osama, let us know."
OK, maybe you're not Osama. Maybe you there is an amber alert out on you or you are some well known suspect that should be arrested on sight. If you are a wanted criminal, all you have to do is leave you ID at home and you're good to go.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what rights are violated by having to show ID. There is no law that forbids you from saying, "Here is my ID, PIG! Now shove it up your bacon laden ass!" Thats free speech and it is guaranteed under the Constitution. However, there is no right to anonymity in the Constitution. If you can show it to me, carry the Constitution rather than your ID and show it instead.
Excellent! Thanx for the info.
I haven't heard a less well informed or more idiotic point of view in a very long time.
Well, to be fair, I have not seen a less supported or more idiotic post than yours since "I know you are, but what am I?"
And if you really disagree with my post and think that man is a cancer on the face of the planet, then do what any true environmentalist should do and qualify yourself for a Darwin Award.
Is "modern man" native to this planet?
Uh... yes.
I see your point, but just wanted to mention that man is not the worst thing that could or has happened to the planet. With our ingenuity, and if we were to have no conscience, we would have depleted the earth of its resources already (Native Americans were nomadic for a reason). It's not uncommon for a species in a closed environment to deplete all the resources available and die off itself.
While I am no chemist, I did marry one. I remember seeing a British TV show on G4 or something where they dropped a metal pellet into a ceramic bathtub. In a few seconds, the tub was demolished. I could only imaging what would happen if someone were to flush 10 of these down the toilet. Before I'm flamed and corrected, I understand that this pellet is not a liquid and making everyone toss their toothpaste will not stop this kind of attack. Anyone see the show I'm talking about and provide a link? I seem to remember them mixing a couple of benign chemicals to form explosions before the tub was blown apart.
However, Googling for the show mentioned above, I came across this link that shows a white powder and two liquids mixed together. When this mixture set (after 30 minutes) a match-head size drop of this stuff blew a watermelon to pieces. The video did not list the chemicals involved, but could this be something similar to what these guys were planning to smuggle aboard? I could see security testing for the finished product, but is it possible to test for the components that make it up?
And to those that say this is not possible, can you watch the video and explain to me how this could *not* be done?
*Successful* parasites don't kill the host...we on the other hand are doing are best to kill the earth, our 'host'.
I have yet to see a parasite anywhere that gives a rats ass about its host. For that matter, I've never seen any animal care about its effect on the environment. So, say what you will about man, but we are the only species on the planet that cares for other species (pets, PETA, conservation organizations and so on), recognizes its own impact on the environment and tries to do something about it (futile or not). So before you go "man-bashing", tell me of any other creature anywhere that would take a single step to save another species from extinction.
You think this is funny? I've got some incredible stories for you then. Get this. The other day - I'm in the grocery store and there is this guy walking around with a dog! In the store! Really, no kidding. A dog in the store and this guy is holding onto a harness the dog was wearing and the dog was leading the guy around. Can you believe it? Somebody should write up a funny post about dogs who shop for humans. That's a knee slapper.
And then the man picked up the dog and swung him around by his back legs. A clerk at the store was shocked at the display and ran over to ask the man, "Can I help you?"
The blind man replied, "No thanks, just looking around."
Seriously, now.
You make an excellent point. If there is something that a disabled person can do (safely, and this is safe), there should be nothing forbidding them from doing it. I mean, that's what living in a free country is all about, right? Are the blind banned from strip clubs?
Yeah, but with the prices of ink jet cartridges, who could afford it!!!
This means that my ass can change the quantum state of that burrito I had for lunch!
The function of "the red circle on tool bar" is to close the window... not quit the app! And it's on the title bar... not the tool bar!
There are multiple visual clues that you would not be saving the word processing document in your scenario:
First, the name of the active application appears right next to the Apple menu. If it's not your word processor, you're not going to be able to save it until you change focus.
Also, your word processor document appears with it's title bar dimmed. Since it's not in focus, menu actions are not going to act on it!
You in the role of helping students out is clearly a case of the blind leading the blind!
Try explaining focus to a 45 yr old English major who you just taught how to hold the mouse (she was holding it upside down, with the cord coming out near her wrists, pressing the button with the bottom of her palm). Seeing that with my help, she got her paper typed, printed and saved to her network folder as well as a floppy with an hour (most of that actual typing time), I think I served my students quite well, thank you very much!
My point is that this is not intuitive to the demographic that Apple markets to. These are supposed to be powerful, flexible, easy to use and intuitive machines. When MSWork is the only app I see on the screen, how come when I click on file, it's Safari's menu? I get it, but a first time computer user has no idea what focus and application switching means.
So... You're simply too dense to wrap your feeble little brain around the concept that an application can be open without having a window open???
That would be your problem... not the OS's!
No, that would be the problem of the 200+ English majors that used the lab. You know, Liberal Arts Majors, the kind that Apple markets to. Personally, I got it. No big deal. The problem came with the students to couldn't save a paper after opening Netscape to research their topic.
No wonder you posted as AC. It's one thing not RTFA'ing, but to not read a post you are responding to... You're a moron!
On virtually every Mac app I've used, the menubar is global for the whole application, so the only thing you're changing when you switch windows is the document you'll be modifying from that window. Big whoop, I can't think of a single case where the document I want to be working with has not been the document I'm currently working with.
I've had it happen all the time. Open a word processor and type a doc. Then open an mp3 player, web browser or whatever. Now close the window of whatever second app you opened. Now save your document. You click on file-> *wait, save isn't there*. Why? The word processor is the only thing open, the window is up front! What's the problem?
The problem is, even though you clicked on the red circle on tool bar, it may not have closed the app you were working with. So even though all you see is your word processor, the tool bar is still from the app you meant to close.
I worked in a "word processing lab" on campus helping students out. You'd be surprised to know how many could not grasp the fact that the red circle may not close an application and just because you can only see one window does not mean that the top tool bar is the tool bar from that particular application.
(of course, this was back when we were using system 9, but I don't see any difference with OSX)
I think you are forgetting about the Cole and several embassies in Africa. Or does it not count unless it is under your nose? I also think you are forgetting that the biggest AlQaeda recruiting tool before 9-11 was the way we left Somalia high and dry after losing a few guys.
These guys don't respect weakness. They live by the sword and will not quit until they die by it.
Pretty sure the Department of Justice is condoning torture and crimes against humanity now. Not exactly the most credible source of opinion on such things.
WOW! You must be ecstatic that GWB overthrew Saddam Hussein in Iraq. While the US may water-board, the US also provides religious material and information (such as which direction is Mecca) and allows Muslim prisoners complete freedom to practice their religion. And while there have been exceptions such as Abu Ghraib (sp?), which the DOJ prosecuted those involved, those that were being "tortured" can rest assured that their families are safe and not being punished for their deeds. Saddam Hussein, on the other hand, would torture entire families, murder entire villages, and even his kids practice rape and torture techniques. Talk about crimes against humanity! Why are you not posting anything about Darfur or Somalia where REAL crimes against humanity are still taking place? Or are those places not important because they do not forward you assertion that GWB is the biggest terrorist on earth?
Or is the enemy (Muslim tyrants and terrorists) of your enemy (GWB and conservatives in general) your friend, and you make up exaggerated bullshit to make it seem like your side is right, no matter who you have to ally up with and how many lies you have to tell?
All hardware is compatible.
I remember watching "The Lone Gunman" one day (thank God that show didn't make it!) and they needed more processing power to crack a password to take over a hijacked plane. "We could do this if had one of those new Octium 4's!" Well, they get one, right before the plane hits the building, they pull out their existing processor and drop in the Octium 4 (without so much as powering the machine off) and BAM! They had their password and saved the plane. (Oh, and no processors had any type of thermal anything!)
Uh, Jeff Goldbloom had a Mac. Very difficult to write a Win95 virus from System 9.
While you won't discuss politics with me (like beating your head against brick), I know better than to contest math with an astrophysicist. That said, with your explanation, I see the whole in my logic. I was assuming that an equal number of A and B fly. Still, by this logic and my uncorroborated numbers, one group should stand a higher probability of being searched than the other, but the overall risk from either group is much closer to equal, depending the number from each group that actually fly, at least in a purely logical (Vulcan) non-PC world.
While I was a math minor at one point, I still see math better than I prove it. I could tell the teacher/professor that X approaches, but never reaches 0 as Y increases (X=1/Y), but I couldn't prove it on the chalk board without drawing a graph. It helps me day to day, but didn't help my grades any. So I married a chemist and earned an IT degree.
Thanx for explanation. It's been an honor.
you don't need to buy two ps3's. You could just buy the cheapest celeron or sempron pc available and it will still be faster than your athlon xp, plus tons cheaper than having two ps3's. And I highly doubt the ps3 is any more AC friendly than an athlon xp, have you seen that fan on that thing?
You are correct, but who wants a crappy celeron when they could have two PS3's? Of course, with the second PS3, I need another HDTV. That means another cable box for the bedroom... You see where I'm going with this? If I don't spend the money, we'll end up with another baker's rack, vanity, or some other worthless piece of furniture!
I see a lot of people here complaining that it is worthless without video drivers. I disagree. Granted, you won't be playing Quake on it, but that does not make it worthless. The first thing I will do when I get one is to have it take over the function of my current Linux box and run my web page off of it. Apache doesn't care what video card you have. This will allow me to dump my space-heater Athlon XP in favor of something a bit more AC friendly. Unfortunately, I won't be able to play a game and run my web page at the same time, but that's why I need to buy 2!!! :-)
Next, this machine will work just fine for checking email, typing documents, spreadsheets, presentations, browsing the web, downloading porn or whatever else you use a PC for. The only downside I see is the lack of storage space. Let's hope it takes external USB drives.
First, I included the first WTC bombing as well as Zac Moussoui (misspelled, I'm sure) to come up with my 25 number.
Next, I was trying to point out to the OP that even though there are white terrorists, when you factor in the number of white people that live here, the number is insignificant to the number of Arab/Muslim terrorists when the ratio is factored in. While I think that profiling should be used only sparingly (see the recent Muslim Cleric story in Minnesota for a good example of when profiling should be used), I'm tired of people throwing Tim McVeigh in my face to try to prove that white people are just as likely to commit a terrorist act as Muslims. Unfortunately, the numbers don't reflect their logic, especially since I only counted white males for the total number of whites and all Muslims (men, women and children) for the Muslim ratio.
Finally, I understand how terribly non-PC it is for me to even bring this up, but I feel that being PC is starting to cost this country too much in $$'s and lives.
Crap, I forgot to include the casualty numbers. Well, we know that 3000 or so died in the WTC. We know that one has died in abortion clinic bombings since 2000 (source), 168 died in OK City (source) and 12 died at Columbine (source). This totals 181, but we'll skew the numbers in your favor and say 200.
.01 the numbers of whities.
If you want to factor these numbers in to further my case, that's fine with me. By my quick math, that means that Muzzie terrorists have killed 150 people to every person killed by a Whitie, while only having
So until Whities kill a lot more Americans in terrorist acts, I think that profiling is a good idea based on simple probability.
OK. How many people died in Columbine? How many died in abortion clinic bombings? How many died in Oklahoma?
Now, take those numbers, add them up and get a total. We'll call it WhitieCaused.
Add up how many white people committed these crimes. We'll call that number Whities.
How many did on 9/11, and the first WTC bombing. We'll call that number MuzzieCaused.
How many Arab/Muslim males caused it? We know the number to be 19.
Finally, factor those numbers with number of the particular profiles.
Let's say the Whitie number is 20. (I'm being conservative) Now divide that number by the number of white people who fit the profile of the Whities. That's 20/100,000,000. Now let's take the number of Muzzies and divide them by the muslim male population or 25/1,000,000. This means that a muslim male is more than 100 times more likely to commit a terrorist act than a white male.
So, I'll agree with your assessment if you'll agree that for every Whitie that is searched before boarding a plane, 100 Muzzies must be searched before boarding a plane. Fair enough for you?
(Granted, numbers may be off a bit and it depends how far you go back on the abortion clinic bombings, but I have not heard of an abortion clinic bombing in several years. I looked it up. Since 2000, there have been 13 bombings, arson or attempted bombings or arson resulting in one death.)