In this case, the fundamental question would be "What is more important, a quick fix for the malaria problem or not having to deal with potential side effects of DDT?"
The stuff is an endocrine disruptor - it and its metabolites are antiandrogenic and have estrogen-like effects on mammals.
OK, but is that worth the one million or so people, mostly children, who die of malaria each year? According to the CDC:
Malaria is a leading cause of death and disease worldwide, especially in developing countries. Most deaths occur in young children. For example, in Africa, a child dies from malaria every 30 seconds. Because malaria causes so much illness and death, the disease is a great drain on many national economies. Since many countries with malaria are already among the poorer nations, the disease maintains a vicious cycle of disease and poverty.
Malaria has been around longer than I have been. It seems that this quick fix may be all we have for years to come.
1. What makes you think protesting the beheadings here in America would do a lick of good? We already know it's bad. I could say the same for just about any protest I see in our city streets today. 2. As for promoting women's rights in the Islamic world, I don't bother protesting for that... I donate a great deal of money to the Global Fund For Women, providing financial support to the world-wide struggle for equal rights for women. Check out their website, http://www.globalfundforwomen.org/. As a husband and soon-to-be father of a little girl, I thank you. I'll check that site out.
I've been in the Air Force for 6 years, no freedoms here, been to Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Korea, and have been willing to give my life. So don't try to beat me in a "wrap myself in the flag" contest. I wouldn't think of it. I only wish I had been smart enough to join the "Chair" Force. (Sorry, had to get that jab in there). Instead I was stuck driving a tank across deserts around the world. In two years (yep, that's all I did) I never spent three solid weeks in the rear. (which explains my reluctance to re-up)
I don't want the NSA to see who I'm calling because it's none of their business, and if you don't think they're listening to whoever the hell they want to listen to, you're woefully naive. Well, national security is their business. (it's in their name). If looking at my phone bill helps them do that job, they can have at it. I've never assumed privacy and still can't find that word anywhere in the Constitution.
Under my rules, when the NSA suspects someone of being a terrorist, they start tapping their phone calls. Within 72 hours they get a warrant to continue doing so from the Top Secret FISA court. This process involves asking a judge for a warrant, and having him give it to you. Agreed. However, if looking at these phone records gives them an extra lead or two, like I said, have at it. Here are my rules. The NSA, CIA and FBI can have a wide berth when investigating terrorism. The Constitution can be bent (wire tapping, email reading, phone-bill snooping), but not broken (searching homes without a warrant). If any of these privelages are abused in anything other than a terror investigation, there will be hell to pay and those who had their rights violated will certainly not need to worry about money ever again.
You swore an oath when you joined, to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. You put your life on the line to defend that. But now you're willing to scrap it cause you're scared? Scrap it, no. Give up my phone bill to help defend it, certainly!
6 years of my life, the majority of it spent overseas, and a lot of it spent in happy places where they give you extra money because people are trying to kill you there. Hazard Fire Pay! Gotta love it!
I am not willing to sacrifice freedom and liberty, in order to gain... freedom and liberty? Agreed, and I saw that one coming. That's why I made it a point to throw Life in with Liberty. But the way I see it, the NSA looking at my phone bill does not affect my life in the least. Nothing changes. Same could be said when they listen to my calls. Did I know they were doing it? No. Did it change my life in any way, shape, or form, No. So why should I care? How have my liberties been violated when I had no idea it was going on and it did not change anything in my life? In my view (and evidently yours differs) there is a difference between privacy and liberty. Now don't get me wrong, I don't want the gov't putting cameras in my bedroom or looking in my window, but looking at my phone bill doesn't seem like that big of deal. I understand that people fear a slippery slope, but some allowances need to be given. We have speed limits, taxes, even limits on speech (screaming "Fire" in a crowded theatre), but these were not the end of liberty. I don't think a database of phone records will be either.
HUA! (Unless mean Head Up Ass... well then I've been guilty of that too!)
Oh boy, the time-honored argument, "We aren't as bad as we could possibly be so we're good". What a convincing argument. We aren't lopping heads off in the streets, that must mean we're a perfect country with an excellent government. Let's ignore all the other problems, at least we aren't beheading.
I think you are missing the point. Our enemies are beheading innocents, and you say nothing. I see protests against the war, protests against the NSA, protests against Bush, protests against secure borders, but I have seen no protests against beheadings or even protests promoting women's rights in the Islamic world. All I hear is "Heil Bush."
The fact is, we have to make sacrifices to secure our lives and our liberty. I joined the Army, for example, had no freedoms there and was willing to give my life. You can't even let the NSA know what numbers you've called? They are not listening, mind you, just looking to see who called who, and I assume they are looking to see who Mohammed Atta called, for example, on September 10'th. Under your rules, that would not be an option. We have to rely on our mad claravoyance skillz, hide our heads in the sand and hope that no other attacks are coming.
What are you willing to sacrifice for your life and liberty? How 'bout the life and liberty of your kids? How about the life and liberty of families you've never met? I know that it's in vogue to bash the government and say that we are becoming Nazi's, but from the looks of things, we still have more freedoms than nearly every other country on Earth. Don't believe me? How many countries can you visit a mosque, a Christian church, a church of Scientology and a synagogue all in the same day? It may not be against the law to do so, in say Pakistan or Syria, but you think you could do it and live to tell about it? Is our level of freedom and security not worth sacrificing anything to you?
If you can get it up via the console, you should be able to write a script that does whatever you would no via the console. I had a problem trying to teach a coworker iwconfig and such so I looked at what I typed in to make it work, copied that to text file, chmod'ed it to 777 and copied a link to his desktop. Then all I had to say was, "Double click on this when you are at work and it will connect."
emerge --sync emerge --update --deep world emerge porthole
Sorry, couldn't resist.
You do have a point. I loved Madrake (that's how long it's been since I've installed it) but hated how hard it was to install software. I tried debian and loved it for apt-get. That transferred to all the debian based distros who were not as anal about making stuff stable.
Finally found Gentoo and Gentoo based distros and have not looked back. Ease of maintenance and ease of program installation is what makes a distro great.
And just so you know, I found my own personal Jesus. If you were to go back through the Iowa State Daily letters to the editor in 1987 you'd find a letter written by myself sounding very much like the whining you just spewed onto this forum. Something about how the biased media doesn't like conservatives or some such.
The press has "battered" President Bush this election season, according to a Project for Excellence in Journalism analysis of 817 print and broadcast stories that ran between Oct. 1 and Oct. 14.
Mr. Bush "suffered strikingly more negative press coverage than challenger John Kerry," according to the study, which will be released today.
"Overall, 59 percent of Bush-dominated stories were clearly negative in nature," while "just 25 percent of Kerry stories were decidedly negative," according to the study.
That so many Americans believe that the occupation of Iraq is going very badly -- far worse than is the case -- undoubtedly has something to do with consistently negative press coverage. As this essay is written, insurgent attacks have dropped by one-third to one-half in the past month, and, according to Lawrence Kaplan,3 Coalition and Iraqi forces have captured and killed "scores of insurgents in lopsided battles." For some months, Iraqi civilians have been reporting arms caches and insurgent activity to U.S. and Iraqi forces, and more recently some have even taken up arms against insurgents in their midst.
There are many more, but it's time for me to go home. You make some good points, but they are ruined by the personal attacks and hyperbole.
it's been THREE YEARS since President empty suit got up there and declared MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. The Prez didn't put that sign up, the sailors did. And for them, MISSION was ACCOMPLISHED.
Roosevelt won WWII in 4 years, and with a hell of a lot larger causaulty count. And we still have troops in Italy, Germany and Japan. They were fighting insurgents for about 10 years after the official war was over. Back to my point of Bosnia, we still have troops there. Weren't they supposed to be home by Christmas... of '96?
We're dumping billions of dollars a month into the country, and seeing no return on our investment. Not seeing mass graves filled with women holding their children is return enough for me. It's the same return we received in Bosnia and it was a good investment there too.
Honestly, the moonbats who still defend this President don't get a lot of sympathy from me. If you can't see everything that is wrong, then you need to remove your rose colored glasses, stop listening to Fox News and quit reading the Pravda news releases from the Whitehouse. I don't expect any sympathy. I can see plenty that is wrong. I don't limit myself to a single news source. I'm members of both LittleGreenFootballs and DailyKos. I watch CNN, MSNBC, BBC, CSPAN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and yes, FoxNews. CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS all lean far to the left. Both Fox and MSNBC both lean slightly to the right and left respectively, but both networks will actually try to portray both sides of the story, even if it's just you yell at them (Bill O'Reilly and Chris Matthews).
In your next post, you mention the "Prez's failed policies", which takes be back to my original statement of Back when Clinton was Prez, it was "The Economy, Stupid". Now, the economy is just as strong as it was back then and it's "The Prez's Failed Policies". I'm not trying to shill for Bush, but I see a difference in the way the Clinton and Bush administrations have been portraid by the press and public opinion of the sheeple follows.
Clinton did not put any boots on the ground in Bosnia. That is why no GIs died in this war. If there had been casualties it would have been devestating for Clinton. The right wing punditry hated that war.
The fact that you think the count is zero proves my point. Don't feel bad, it's taken much googling to find anything at all.
The USA Today 02/19/96 edition speaks of the first American death in Bosnia. You are correct in saying that the right tried to hang it on Clinton's neck. (Personally, I supported the Bosnian mission. The fact that my brother was serving over there didn't change that.) I also recall seeing on the Military Channel where an Apache or two went down as well. But for the life of me, I can't get an total count of American lives lost in Bosnia. But that's my point: You see morbid death counts every hour of every day on the war in Iraq.
Official count for the Mogadishu incursion is 14 KIA, 29 due to non-hostile activity. Bosnia's official count is zero.
The fact that you think the count is zero proves my point. Don't feel bad, it's taken much googling to find anything at all.
The USA Today 02/19/96 edition speaks of the first American death in Bosnia. I also recall seeing on the Military Channel where an Apache or two went down as well. But for the life of me, I can't get an total count of American lives lost in Bosnia.
Oh come on. You gotta be a spoof. Nobody serious would believe that.
Nope, no spoof. I just thought back to the Internet Bubbl...er... Boom in the 90's under Prez Clinton. All I saw on the news was how great the economy was. It even became a campaign slogan. Remember "It's the economy, stupid?" We were at war in the 90's with a country that didn't even have any oil and fewer mass graves that have been found in Iraq.
In other words, things were not a whole lot different back then than they are now, except for how the press reports it. I can tell you off the top of my head a rough number of Americans dead in Iraq (2200+), can you tell me the count from Bosnia or Mogadishu? I googled it and still couldn't find an answer. When the Dow hit 10,000 in the 90's it was huge. Do you remember when the Dow hit 11,000? Compare the treatment the swift boat vets received and compare that to CBS's fake document story. It's all perception and the press controls that perception. Compile that with the fact that over 70% of the press voted for Dem candidates in the previous two elections while under 50% of the general public did.
I'm not saying anything is right or wrong, but either this prez is getting a bum wrap of the last one got an easy ride, but the raw facts between the two are not as different as the public's perception.
The economy is booming; stock market is steady, unemployment is virtually non-existant, interest rates are low, and inflation is not a problem (except at the gas pump).
Granted, the world is not perfect. We are at war in two countries with a third looming. Gas prices suck and it is an election year. But it's not 66% bad.
Poll numbers are not a reflection of a president's job. Those numbers are a reflection of the press's portrayal of the president and the president's effectiveness at countering that negative portrayal. Clinton and Reagan were masters at bypassing the press. The Bush's suck at it.
Sen. Specter emphasized that he doesn't want the issue to fade into the background, saying that he'd like to see 'public concern and public indignation build up.
Could be easily translated to: Sen. Specter emphasized that he doesn't want the issue to fade into the background, saying that he'd like to see 'public concern and public indignation build up to the point of taking down the President at all costs, including, but not limited to, harming the US and/or endangering its citizens and soldiers both at home and abroad, in order to forward his political career.'
If you're suggesting that people who do nothing wrong should be treated like criminals whether a crime has been committed or not...
Absolutely not. However, when a crime has been committed, and the police are looking for suspect X, all suspect X would have to do is say that they are Non-Suspect-Y. Would it make you feel better if the police had to tell you what crime was committed and what they are investigating? What if they are looking for a rock thrower and find a wanted mass-murderer, do they have to let him go?
What's more, they could not prove it was me so charges wouldn't be filed and the home owners insurance would fix the window. My point is that if I'm not required to show any form of ID, I can be anyone I want to be, including you. How on earth can the police perform their primary job of protecting the peace if I can be whoever I want?
I see the potential abuse of a national ID by the authorities pretty slim. I'll give you an example. About a month or two ago, TABC (Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission) started raiding bars looking for drunks. They'd find someone they thought was drunk and arrest them, claiming to be protecting the public from another drunk driver. The problem is that they were arresting people in hotel bars, who were staying at the hotel and were not going to drive, or people who didn't have car keys with them. There is also no need to prove PI (Public Intoxication) via a breathalizer, meaning that the TABC officials could arrest whoever they wanted, for whatever reason. Since being drunk in public is a crime in Texas, they were literally doing their jobs, enforcing the law. Fortunately, the public outcry was fierce the program was immediately scrapped, even though it was 100% legal. The same thing would happen if the Fed's somehow abused a federal ID system and if the abuse didn't stop, eveyone who ran for office saying they'd stop the abuse would win by a landslide.
Then he clarified and asked for some sort of identification. I told him my name. He asked for proof. I asked for the reason I was being stopped and questioned - a crime in the area? someone complain about me specifically? Because otherwise, I'm just a guy walking home from a Christmas party. He reiterated - a physical piece of identification. I gave him my license. He continued asking me questions about the party and my residence - nevermind that the latter is printed on the license.
Yeah, it sux to be harrassed, but think of it this way: I was walking home from the Christmas party and decided to throw a rock through a house window that I was passing by. The police stopped me and asked me for ID. I told them that I knew my rights and I didn't have to show them shit. They asked me my name. I told that my name was (your name here, not mine). They wrote down the name I gave them and placed it on a ticket. They told me that I would have to show up in court within two days to pay the fine and make restitution to the home owner. If not, they'd throw me in the county pen, where I'd be a shoo-in for prom queen.
Even if you have it on you, you are not required to show it to anyone provided you identify yourself in some other way, such as verbally.
Well that's just idiotic. Where are these states where I can ID myself, without having to produce any actual forms of identification. I'm gonna go make take out a loan from the local bank. After all, I am Bill Gates. Then I'm going to rob whatever money they won't give me. When the police ask for my name, I'll think I'll be Michael Hunt... no wait... Abraham Lincoln... no wait... Osama Bin Laden. Then I'll claim the $25 million dollar reward for capturing myself.
Was reading this alt-history book about a completely useless and improbable war. Apparently there was this relatively evil empire barely beaten in a long war, and then a new, much more evil leader takes over the evil empire and manages to convince the leading powers to just give him entire countries, even when the other powers could have easily crushed him. Then he joins forces with another equally evil leader and surprises these idiots by launching lots of invasions. Then the other evil leader is shocked when the evil empire turns on him too. What a bunch of bloody idiots! Not to mention yet another set of evil idiots who picked a fight with a country twenty times their size, though that country was somehow surprised by the attack even though they could read all the encrypted transmissions. "World War II" was complete drivel and a pointless sequel to that fair-to-middling book called, imaginatively enough, "World War I". Can't remember who wrote it but, with the flatness of the plot and characters, it was probably Turtledove.
When I first read this, I realized that you could have already been talking about Iraq. Apparently there was this relatively evil empire barely beaten in a long war (Iraq/Iran) and then a new, much more evil leader takes over the evil empire and manages to convince the leading powers to just give him entire countries, (Kuwait) even when the other powers could have easily crushed him.(France, Germany, Russia, China). Or maybe you were talking about the old Soviet Union (Afghanistan, Eastern Europe).
Funny how you talk about idiots who do nothing when could-be powerful leaders start threatening everyone and all the countries that could stop them simply don't believe their tyrant rants. I think Iran is a good example of that today.
So, I see your point, if from a different angle, and still come to the same conclusion. The world if full of idiot plots.
I've debated other Libertarians on this issue, and the main point they can not refute is, "So what?"
In nearly all 50 of these United States, you are required to carry some form of ID, usually a driver's license. Once you cross state lines, your ID is no longer familiar to those who may want to look at it (airport ticket counter, liquor store cashier, hotel clerk, police officer, EMT) and thus becomes easier to forge. A national ID instead of 50 differnt state ID's could help prevent this sort of thing and make absolutely no difference people's lives, as we are all required to carry a state ID already.
I've carried a state ID for over 20 years, and I've never had anyone ask to see my papers.
While I feel the company has the right to restrict what takes place on company hardware, it is the company's responsibility to restrict access as to what can take place on that equipment.
In other words, if they don't want you surfing at work, cut the damn cable or learn how to configure a proxy/firewall.
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Get out while you can.
And hurry. I hear Cuba is nice this time of year.
WTF is a predator missile (my emphasis)?
Uh... Isn't that what the last administration did, only they used the IRS and FBI instead of the NSA?
The stuff is an endocrine disruptor - it and its metabolites are antiandrogenic and have estrogen-like effects on mammals.
OK, but is that worth the one million or so people, mostly children, who die of malaria each year? According to the CDC:
Malaria has been around longer than I have been. It seems that this quick fix may be all we have for years to come.
The choice for this is the same as any other environmental question:
What is more important, human life or wild life?
1. What makes you think protesting the beheadings here in America would do a lick of good? We already know it's bad.
I could say the same for just about any protest I see in our city streets today.
2. As for promoting women's rights in the Islamic world, I don't bother protesting for that... I donate a great deal of money to the Global Fund For Women, providing financial support to the world-wide struggle for equal rights for women. Check out their website, http://www.globalfundforwomen.org/.
As a husband and soon-to-be father of a little girl, I thank you. I'll check that site out.
I've been in the Air Force for 6 years, no freedoms here, been to Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Korea, and have been willing to give my life. So don't try to beat me in a "wrap myself in the flag" contest.
I wouldn't think of it. I only wish I had been smart enough to join the "Chair" Force. (Sorry, had to get that jab in there). Instead I was stuck driving a tank across deserts around the world. In two years (yep, that's all I did) I never spent three solid weeks in the rear. (which explains my reluctance to re-up)
I don't want the NSA to see who I'm calling because it's none of their business, and if you don't think they're listening to whoever the hell they want to listen to, you're woefully naive.
Well, national security is their business. (it's in their name). If looking at my phone bill helps them do that job, they can have at it. I've never assumed privacy and still can't find that word anywhere in the Constitution.
Under my rules, when the NSA suspects someone of being a terrorist, they start tapping their phone calls. Within 72 hours they get a warrant to continue doing so from the Top Secret FISA court. This process involves asking a judge for a warrant, and having him give it to you.
Agreed. However, if looking at these phone records gives them an extra lead or two, like I said, have at it. Here are my rules. The NSA, CIA and FBI can have a wide berth when investigating terrorism. The Constitution can be bent (wire tapping, email reading, phone-bill snooping), but not broken (searching homes without a warrant). If any of these privelages are abused in anything other than a terror investigation, there will be hell to pay and those who had their rights violated will certainly not need to worry about money ever again.
You swore an oath when you joined, to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. You put your life on the line to defend that. But now you're willing to scrap it cause you're scared?
Scrap it, no. Give up my phone bill to help defend it, certainly!
6 years of my life, the majority of it spent overseas, and a lot of it spent in happy places where they give you extra money because people are trying to kill you there.
Hazard Fire Pay! Gotta love it!
I am not willing to sacrifice freedom and liberty, in order to gain... freedom and liberty?
Agreed, and I saw that one coming. That's why I made it a point to throw Life in with Liberty. But the way I see it, the NSA looking at my phone bill does not affect my life in the least. Nothing changes. Same could be said when they listen to my calls. Did I know they were doing it? No. Did it change my life in any way, shape, or form, No. So why should I care? How have my liberties been violated when I had no idea it was going on and it did not change anything in my life? In my view (and evidently yours differs) there is a difference between privacy and liberty. Now don't get me wrong, I don't want the gov't putting cameras in my bedroom or looking in my window, but looking at my phone bill doesn't seem like that big of deal. I understand that people fear a slippery slope, but some allowances need to be given. We have speed limits, taxes, even limits on speech (screaming "Fire" in a crowded theatre), but these were not the end of liberty. I don't think a database of phone records will be either.
HUA! (Unless mean Head Up Ass... well then I've been guilty of that too!)
Oh boy, the time-honored argument, "We aren't as bad as we could possibly be so we're good". What a convincing argument. We aren't lopping heads off in the streets, that must mean we're a perfect country with an excellent government. Let's ignore all the other problems, at least we aren't beheading.
I think you are missing the point. Our enemies are beheading innocents, and you say nothing. I see protests against the war, protests against the NSA, protests against Bush, protests against secure borders, but I have seen no protests against beheadings or even protests promoting women's rights in the Islamic world. All I hear is "Heil Bush."
The fact is, we have to make sacrifices to secure our lives and our liberty. I joined the Army, for example, had no freedoms there and was willing to give my life. You can't even let the NSA know what numbers you've called? They are not listening, mind you, just looking to see who called who, and I assume they are looking to see who Mohammed Atta called, for example, on September 10'th. Under your rules, that would not be an option. We have to rely on our mad claravoyance skillz, hide our heads in the sand and hope that no other attacks are coming.
What are you willing to sacrifice for your life and liberty? How 'bout the life and liberty of your kids? How about the life and liberty of families you've never met? I know that it's in vogue to bash the government and say that we are becoming Nazi's, but from the looks of things, we still have more freedoms than nearly every other country on Earth. Don't believe me? How many countries can you visit a mosque, a Christian church, a church of Scientology and a synagogue all in the same day? It may not be against the law to do so, in say Pakistan or Syria, but you think you could do it and live to tell about it? Is our level of freedom and security not worth sacrificing anything to you?
If you can get it up via the console, you should be able to write a script that does whatever you would no via the console. I had a problem trying to teach a coworker iwconfig and such so I looked at what I typed in to make it work, copied that to text file, chmod'ed it to 777 and copied a link to his desktop. Then all I had to say was, "Double click on this when you are at work and it will connect."
Worked every time.
emerge --sync
emerge --update --deep world
emerge porthole
Sorry, couldn't resist.
You do have a point. I loved Madrake (that's how long it's been since I've installed it) but hated how hard it was to install software. I tried debian and loved it for apt-get. That transferred to all the debian based distros who were not as anal about making stuff stable.
Finally found Gentoo and Gentoo based distros and have not looked back. Ease of maintenance and ease of program installation is what makes a distro great.
And just so you know, I found my own personal Jesus. If you were to go back through the Iowa State Daily letters to the editor in 1987 you'd find a letter written by myself sounding very much like the whining you just spewed onto this forum. Something about how the biased media doesn't like conservatives or some such.
Funny! I used to be a Democrat.
From here:
and here:
There are many more, but it's time for me to go home. You make some good points, but they are ruined by the personal attacks and hyperbole.
nice typing with you.
it's been THREE YEARS since President empty suit got up there and declared MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
The Prez didn't put that sign up, the sailors did. And for them, MISSION was ACCOMPLISHED.
Roosevelt won WWII in 4 years, and with a hell of a lot larger causaulty count.
And we still have troops in Italy, Germany and Japan. They were fighting insurgents for about 10 years after the official war was over. Back to my point of Bosnia, we still have troops there. Weren't they supposed to be home by Christmas... of '96?
We're dumping billions of dollars a month into the country, and seeing no return on our investment.
Not seeing mass graves filled with women holding their children is return enough for me. It's the same return we received in Bosnia and it was a good investment there too.
Honestly, the moonbats who still defend this President don't get a lot of sympathy from me. If you can't see everything that is wrong, then you need to remove your rose colored glasses, stop listening to Fox News and quit reading the Pravda news releases from the Whitehouse.
I don't expect any sympathy. I can see plenty that is wrong. I don't limit myself to a single news source. I'm members of both LittleGreenFootballs and DailyKos. I watch CNN, MSNBC, BBC, CSPAN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and yes, FoxNews. CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS all lean far to the left. Both Fox and MSNBC both lean slightly to the right and left respectively, but both networks will actually try to portray both sides of the story, even if it's just you yell at them (Bill O'Reilly and Chris Matthews).
In your next post, you mention the "Prez's failed policies", which takes be back to my original statement of Back when Clinton was Prez, it was "The Economy, Stupid". Now, the economy is just as strong as it was back then and it's "The Prez's Failed Policies". I'm not trying to shill for Bush, but I see a difference in the way the Clinton and Bush administrations have been portraid by the press and public opinion of the sheeple follows.
Clinton did not put any boots on the ground in Bosnia. That is why no GIs died in this war. If there had been casualties it would have been devestating for Clinton. The right wing punditry hated that war.
The fact that you think the count is zero proves my point. Don't feel bad, it's taken much googling to find anything at all.
The USA Today 02/19/96 edition speaks of the first American death in Bosnia. You are correct in saying that the right tried to hang it on Clinton's neck. (Personally, I supported the Bosnian mission. The fact that my brother was serving over there didn't change that.) I also recall seeing on the Military Channel where an Apache or two went down as well. But for the life of me, I can't get an total count of American lives lost in Bosnia. But that's my point: You see morbid death counts every hour of every day on the war in Iraq.
Official count for the Mogadishu incursion is 14 KIA, 29 due to non-hostile activity. Bosnia's official count is zero.
The fact that you think the count is zero proves my point. Don't feel bad, it's taken much googling to find anything at all.
The USA Today 02/19/96 edition speaks of the first American death in Bosnia. I also recall seeing on the Military Channel where an Apache or two went down as well. But for the life of me, I can't get an total count of American lives lost in Bosnia.
Oh come on. You gotta be a spoof. Nobody serious would believe that.
Nope, no spoof. I just thought back to the Internet Bubbl...er... Boom in the 90's under Prez Clinton. All I saw on the news was how great the economy was. It even became a campaign slogan. Remember "It's the economy, stupid?" We were at war in the 90's with a country that didn't even have any oil and fewer mass graves that have been found in Iraq.
In other words, things were not a whole lot different back then than they are now, except for how the press reports it. I can tell you off the top of my head a rough number of Americans dead in Iraq (2200+), can you tell me the count from Bosnia or Mogadishu? I googled it and still couldn't find an answer. When the Dow hit 10,000 in the 90's it was huge. Do you remember when the Dow hit 11,000? Compare the treatment the swift boat vets received and compare that to CBS's fake document story. It's all perception and the press controls that perception. Compile that with the fact that over 70% of the press voted for Dem candidates in the previous two elections while under 50% of the general public did.
I'm not saying anything is right or wrong, but either this prez is getting a bum wrap of the last one got an easy ride, but the raw facts between the two are not as different as the public's perception.
The economy is booming; stock market is steady, unemployment is virtually non-existant, interest rates are low, and inflation is not a problem (except at the gas pump).
Granted, the world is not perfect. We are at war in two countries with a third looming. Gas prices suck and it is an election year. But it's not 66% bad.
Poll numbers are not a reflection of a president's job. Those numbers are a reflection of the press's portrayal of the president and the president's effectiveness at countering that negative portrayal. Clinton and Reagan were masters at bypassing the press. The Bush's suck at it.
Can we send this guy to Guantanamo? How about Abu Ghraib? How about if we glue a put a yamaka on his head and drop him off in downtown Tehran.
Sen. Specter emphasized that he doesn't want the issue to fade into the background, saying that he'd like to see 'public concern and public indignation build up.
Could be easily translated to:
Sen. Specter emphasized that he doesn't want the issue to fade into the background, saying that he'd like to see 'public concern and public indignation build up to the point of taking down the President at all costs, including, but not limited to, harming the US and/or endangering its citizens and soldiers both at home and abroad, in order to forward his political career.'
It wouldn't be an election year, would it?
If you're suggesting that people who do nothing wrong should be treated like criminals whether a crime has been committed or not...
Absolutely not. However, when a crime has been committed, and the police are looking for suspect X, all suspect X would have to do is say that they are Non-Suspect-Y. Would it make you feel better if the police had to tell you what crime was committed and what they are investigating? What if they are looking for a rock thrower and find a wanted mass-murderer, do they have to let him go?
What's more, they could not prove it was me so charges wouldn't be filed and the home owners insurance would fix the window.
My point is that if I'm not required to show any form of ID, I can be anyone I want to be, including you. How on earth can the police perform their primary job of protecting the peace if I can be whoever I want?
I see the potential abuse of a national ID by the authorities pretty slim. I'll give you an example. About a month or two ago, TABC (Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission) started raiding bars looking for drunks. They'd find someone they thought was drunk and arrest them, claiming to be protecting the public from another drunk driver. The problem is that they were arresting people in hotel bars, who were staying at the hotel and were not going to drive, or people who didn't have car keys with them. There is also no need to prove PI (Public Intoxication) via a breathalizer, meaning that the TABC officials could arrest whoever they wanted, for whatever reason. Since being drunk in public is a crime in Texas, they were literally doing their jobs, enforcing the law. Fortunately, the public outcry was fierce the program was immediately scrapped, even though it was 100% legal. The same thing would happen if the Fed's somehow abused a federal ID system and if the abuse didn't stop, eveyone who ran for office saying they'd stop the abuse would win by a landslide.
Then he clarified and asked for some sort of identification. I told him my name. He asked for proof. I asked for the reason I was being stopped and questioned - a crime in the area? someone complain about me specifically? Because otherwise, I'm just a guy walking home from a Christmas party. He reiterated - a physical piece of identification. I gave him my license. He continued asking me questions about the party and my residence - nevermind that the latter is printed on the license.
Yeah, it sux to be harrassed, but think of it this way:
I was walking home from the Christmas party and decided to throw a rock through a house window that I was passing by. The police stopped me and asked me for ID. I told them that I knew my rights and I didn't have to show them shit. They asked me my name. I told that my name was (your name here, not mine). They wrote down the name I gave them and placed it on a ticket. They told me that I would have to show up in court within two days to pay the fine and make restitution to the home owner. If not, they'd throw me in the county pen, where I'd be a shoo-in for prom queen.
Even if you have it on you, you are not required to show it to anyone provided you identify yourself in some other way, such as verbally.
Well that's just idiotic. Where are these states where I can ID myself, without having to produce any actual forms of identification. I'm gonna go make take out a loan from the local bank. After all, I am Bill Gates. Then I'm going to rob whatever money they won't give me. When the police ask for my name, I'll think I'll be Michael Hunt... no wait... Abraham Lincoln... no wait... Osama Bin Laden. Then I'll claim the $25 million dollar reward for capturing myself.
Was reading this alt-history book about a completely useless and improbable war. Apparently there was this relatively evil empire barely beaten in a long war, and then a new, much more evil leader takes over the evil empire and manages to convince the leading powers to just give him entire countries, even when the other powers could have easily crushed him. Then he joins forces with another equally evil leader and surprises these idiots by launching lots of invasions. Then the other evil leader is shocked when the evil empire turns on him too. What a bunch of bloody idiots! Not to mention yet another set of evil idiots who picked a fight with a country twenty times their size, though that country was somehow surprised by the attack even though they could read all the encrypted transmissions. "World War II" was complete drivel and a pointless sequel to that fair-to-middling book called, imaginatively enough, "World War I". Can't remember who wrote it but, with the flatness of the plot and characters, it was probably Turtledove.
When I first read this, I realized that you could have already been talking about Iraq.
Apparently there was this relatively evil empire barely beaten in a long war (Iraq/Iran) and then a new, much more evil leader takes over the evil empire and manages to convince the leading powers to just give him entire countries, (Kuwait) even when the other powers could have easily crushed him.(France, Germany, Russia, China).
Or maybe you were talking about the old Soviet Union (Afghanistan, Eastern Europe).
Funny how you talk about idiots who do nothing when could-be powerful leaders start threatening everyone and all the countries that could stop them simply don't believe their tyrant rants. I think Iran is a good example of that today.
So, I see your point, if from a different angle, and still come to the same conclusion. The world if full of idiot plots.
I've debated other Libertarians on this issue, and the main point they can not refute is, "So what?"
In nearly all 50 of these United States, you are required to carry some form of ID, usually a driver's license. Once you cross state lines, your ID is no longer familiar to those who may want to look at it (airport ticket counter, liquor store cashier, hotel clerk, police officer, EMT) and thus becomes easier to forge. A national ID instead of 50 differnt state ID's could help prevent this sort of thing and make absolutely no difference people's lives, as we are all required to carry a state ID already.
I've carried a state ID for over 20 years, and I've never had anyone ask to see my papers.
While I feel the company has the right to restrict what takes place on company hardware, it is the company's responsibility to restrict access as to what can take place on that equipment.
In other words, if they don't want you surfing at work, cut the damn cable or learn how to configure a proxy/firewall.
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