If they manage to militarize space, commerce might begin in full force. Sadly, you don't get the kind of focus you need on something unless it has military applications. If you can get a nation to make a outpost in space, we're free and clear as far as surviving a major disaster.
An outpost in space is worthless until it becomes self sustaining. If you destroy a country that has space outposts, you will suddenly have those space outposts begging the victorious country for supplies to survive or a ride home.
Your statement is mostly correct however. It should read:
If you can get a nation to make a self sustaining outpost in space, we're free and clear as far as surviving a major disaster.
I don't know if Judicial Watch is considered a Right Wing site or not. Not that it matters as facts are non partisan. In other words, I don't give a rat's ass what site it comes from. If you can't counter the FACTS presented, STFU.
2 How does overspending on flights relate to hypocrisy?
As another reader pointed out:
My biggest complaint about Sarah and all the other "conservatives" is that they seem constitutionally incapable of recognizing their own hypocrisy... they've adopted self-delusion as a lifestyle, and it fits them well.
And the hypocrisy I was pointing out is your own. When Sarah Palin spends money, you're all over her. When I bring up Nancy Pelosi living like a queen on the tax payer dollar, you actually defend her.
And, BTW, you listed exactly zero examples of Sarah Palin wasting tax payer money. Sure, the McCain campaign gave her a make over, but the $100,000 in clothes went to charity after the campaign. Sure, when put a tanning bed in the governor's mansion... HER OWN tanning bed.
Still, don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.
It isn't in the constitution that the capital have bathrooms but it does, this falls under "necessary and proper". Congress is empowered to do things not explicitly listed in order to exercise one of their enumerated powers, this is called implied powers.
All government buildings need proper facilities in order for government workers to do their jobs. That makes it "necessary and proper". However, taking over health care or bailing out anything at all or subsidizing farmers or spending tax payer money to study grape seed genetics or any of other millions of government programs are neither necessary nor proper. But government has stuff it can and is supposed to do. Government can't really do the tasks spelled out for it to do in the Constitution if government employees are having to piss in a bucket!
And if "necessary and proper" covers everything, what was the point of the 10th Amendment? The 10 Amendment was written AFTER "necessary and proper". In other words, the Founders said after everything was written, "Hmmmm. I think some asshole might think the government has unlimited power because of the "necessary and proper" and commerce clauses. We better go ahead and spell it out because half the people are below average intelligence. We'll make it the 10th Amendment".
4 Do you have any point at all or was this just an excuse to insult someone on the other side you don't like? Free speech and all that so feel free but it is annoying to see posts like this that are not only off topic but fail to make any point at all.
The point was to show that your hatred of Sarah Palin and other conservatives are not based on fact or the reasons you list because you don't care when someone of the left does the exact same thing. It was to show that your hatred of Sarah Palin is about nothing other than the differences of opinion you have with her. Libs like you always talk how important it is to be a free thinker and to speak your mind and all, but as soon as someone says something you disagree with, they must be taken out. You will relentlessly attack conservatives like Palin and point out any single flaw she has to justify your raw hatred of someone with a different political view than yourself.
The hypocrisy is not of Sarah Palin. It is all yours.
I used to live in Alaska. I still can't believe half the people up there were stupid enough to vote for this dizzy bitch. Please tell me you weren't one of them! My biggest complaint about Sarah and all the other "conservatives" is that they seem constitutionally incapable of recognizing their own hypocrisy... they've adopted self-delusion as a lifestyle, and it fits them well.
You mean like Nancy Pelosi's travel expense:
* Speaker Pelosi used Air Force aircraft to travel back to her district at an average cost of $28,210.51 per flight. The average cost of an international CODEL is $228,563.33. Of the 103 Pelosi-led congressional delegations (CODEL), 31 trips included members of the House Speaker’s family.
* One CODEL traveling from Washington, DC, through Tel Aviv, Israel to Baghdad, Iraq May 15-20, 2008, “to discuss matters of mutual concern with government leaders” included members of Congress and their spouses and cost $17,931 per hour in aircraft alone. Purchases for the CODEL included: Johnny Walker Red scotch, Grey Goose vodka, E&J brandy, Bailey’s Irish Crème, Maker’s Mark whiskey, Courvoisier cognac, Bacardi Light rum, Jim Beam whiskey, Beefeater gin, Dewars scotch, Bombay Sapphire gin, Jack Daniels whiskey, Corona beer and several bottles of wine.
* According to a “Memo for Record” from a March 29—April 7, 2007, CODEL that involved a stop in Israel, “CODEL could only bring Kosher items into the Hotel. Kosher alcohol for mixing beverages in the Delegation room was purchased on the local economy i.e. Bourbon, Whiskey, Scotch, Vodka, Gin, Triple Sec, Tequila, etc.”
* The Department of Defense advanced a CODEL of 56 members of Congress and staff $60,000 to travel to Louisiana and Mississippi July 19-22, 2008, to “view flood relief advances from Hurricane Katrina.” The three-day trip cost the U.S. Air Force $65,505.46, exceeding authorized funding by $5,505.46.
Oh wait. She's a lib so it doesn't count, right? I'm sure it's in the Constitution somewhere that the Speaker of the House can spend thousands on hard liquor while traveling abroad.
No, Id say there is equally little humor in both situations.
For all those claiming that it is funny because of the atrocities he tried to commit, do you also chuckle at the "darwin awards"? Is human life of such little value to you, that you think people must earn the right to live? That the loss of a life perceived as unproductive or harmful is thus a joyous thing?
When one wants to to forfeit their life to kill several others, the value of their life becomes negative the value of the lives they would have taken, plus one. So when something like this happens, I rejoice at all the lives saved by the bomber's mistake.
Mathematically speaking, assuming all human life is equal, the bombers live is valued at one. Since she failed at her attack, her death is valued at the number of lives she would have taken if she had been successful. Let's call that value X. Since she probably would have killed more than one person, X > 1. She is worth more dead from a failed attack than if she had succeeded.
There are accidents, friendly fire casualties, bad apples, and a lot of other bad shit that happens, but it is war and it is chaotic. We try our best not to harm the innocents or our own.
I do not argue any of this. But to say that "their death is a laughing matter, for they are monsters".... this is likely the very same justification they themselves use as they attack civilian populations. I can understand opposition to them, even deadly, but to laugh about such matters is very disquieting.
The only thing that disturbs me about terrorists killing themselves is that they did not change their ways. There have been failed suicide bombers who have become rehabilitated, but when the alternative is the death of innocents, I will cheer the "mostly harmless" death of a suicide bomber any day.
Ah, but you assume because one playes D&D one doesn't do the other, or vice versa, that playing D&D alone will get one's ass kicked, or that if it does happen that somebody wants to beat somebody up for playing D&D that the person won't be able to get away or fight at all.
It might not work as well as they think. I got this as I read down a bit:
First of all. Lets check if you're logged into GMail right now (not including Google Apps)... (Yes, you are logged in).
Actually, I am browsing with Chrome, but have not opened GMail in this session at all, not once since the reboot. Maybe it is something Chrome is doing, since I get "No, you're not logged in" while using the incognito window.
If you are using your gmail account to download bookmarks, custom home page or whatever Chrome may be logging into gmail for, it may throw off the result.
However, in saying that, I noticed that it reported me logged into Facebook, which I am not, nor have I since my last reboot. I'm running Firefox 3.6.13.
if any of these 'superpowers' staking claims on the moon does some stupid test and blows it up e.g. drilling a deep hole and dropping in powerful explosives and... what will the effect be for gravitational pull, tides, seasons, the spinning of a twirling little ball?
I know it sounds stupid, but is this not a realistic military threat to all mankind? *puts*on*tinfoil*hat*
If someone were to "blow up" the moon, we'd see some rocks falling to earth, but the majority of the debris would form a ring around the earth.
If you pay for the photograph, it's a work for hire that belongs to you, absent a contract saying something different.
In the US, no it's not. You need a copyright release before you own that image. Sure, you own the paper photo itself and you are free to put it wherever you like. But you are not allowed to copy it without written consent from the photographer.
This is why I demand a copyright release up front from any photographer I pay to take pictures. I also demand all photos taken, not just the ones the photographer thinks I might like. It costs more, but it's worth it to me.
Yes, the most extremely exceptional people succeed without needing credentials of any kind. A highly driven genius doesn't need to prove he's a driven genius to a college professor before attaining success (though it often helps).
For people who aren't that one-in-ten-million person, college is a good bet. I personally have benefited substantially from doing a four-year stint in college. It's helps mediocre joes like me.
Denigrating those 999,999/1,000,000 people as drones shows you are either looking down on us from a position as that 1/1,000,000 people, or looking up at us jealously as one of the people who couldn't get through college himself. Considering you have time to waste on Slashdot, I have my own guess as to which it is.
My goal is not to denigrate or belittle those without education. My goal is show that education says something more than the discipline studied. If I had a job opening and two people with no previous related experience were applying, one fresh out of college with a 2.8 GPA and one who didn't finish high school, all things being equal, who do you think I'm going to hire? Who would you hire?
Once you've been out in real world for a while, education doesn't really matter. I'll take someone with experience over a degree any day of the week. Most employers would. I believe that the reason that people with degrees make more money is not because they have the degree, but because they are the type of people who will put forth the effort to gain a degree. These are the people who will work late when needed, spend free time learning the new products and procedures, and don't require someone to hold their hand. They don't avoid tasks that are not officially part of their job description. These are the people who get promoted and make more money. Granted, some of these people may not have complete high school. I work along side a couple of people who didn't complete HS who have the same job I do, making the same amount of money. They've done this job for years, as I have and know the material as well as anyone. No school teaches our product. The only difference between those of us that are good at our jobs and those that don't cut it is experience and drive.
When hiring, our employer looks for that drive. Excelling in a previous job shows it. So does completing a degree, to a lesser extent.
By the way, it is the experience, preparation and drive that allows me to post here while still completing my assigned tasks. Actually, my tasks are done. I'm waiting on everyone else to catch up so I can move on to the next step.
Exactly. I want employees that can do hard things.
Which is exactly the point. It's hard.
Congrats to you for sticking it out despite obstacles, but when people have to serve two years in the military, take out loans, and still have to work two jobs to pay for college, no surprise, but a lot of them don't make it through.
Right. It's hard. Do you want an employee whining that "it's too hard. Eff-it!" or do you want someone that was not only able to support themselves, but put in the extra "hard" effort it takes to improve themselves?
Those that didn't make it through can work on the line, making $30k/yr until they decide to go back and finish making it. Those that have made it can make $75k/yr and watch over those that are not motivated enough to complete the hard stuff.
And for the record, my jobs paid for my computers, furniture, car, rent, utilities, dates, and of course, beer (or other intoxicants). The GI Bill paid for my classes, books and fees. Later, after I was married, the jobs paid bills while the loans and scholarships paid for the wife's degrees.
And if the discussion were about "getting more out of college" and not about "getting into college," then that would have been relevant.
Actually, this is a discussion about what you get out of college. It is a comparison between those with college degrees and those that dropped out of high school.
And BTW, it is hard for those that have their college paid for as well. None of my professors asked how I pay for college, with the exception of one. This one actually offered to give me a break because he said he knew how hard it was to support a family and still go to school. Of course, I didn't need the break and turned in my assignment on time, but the offer was there.
Getting a degree could also mean you're overly conformist and likely to lack a lot of creativity. You probably lack a strong leadership personality and shy away from individual excellence. If I need a worker drone, you're probably a good fit. I may or may not desire a worker drone.
I don't think you are likely to find your employee with a strong leadership personality who doesn't shy away from individual excellence in your average high school drop out. "Individual excellence" is not the first thing that comes to mind when I think of someone who couldn't get past the 10th grade. I'm not saying they don't exist, but you are not likely to find them.
Besides, my degree program emphasized leadership as well as working within a team to complete a given project. Creativity is also a must in any degree program with the exception of something like accounting. Then again, I don't want a "creative" numbers on my expense or profit reports.
On Slashdot we don't like to talk about class. We'd rather just pretend it doesn't exist, it makes ineffectually complaining about the government while continuing to support the status quo easier.
Srsly though, not a troll. Come on guys.
Earning a degree has nothing to do with class. Anyone can get into college. Can't afford it? Join the military, get loans, scholarship or work three jobs while going to school. I served two years in the US Army, took out loans and worked two jobs to put myself and my wife through college. I have a bachelors and my wife earned her masters. We were both raised by single parents who worked multiple jobs to put food on the table. Neither of our parents paid for our education.
Of course, it helps to have mommy and daddy pay your way so you don't even have to hold a job while in school. I knew some of these people, and frankly, I got much more out of college than they did. Sure, they may have better stories to tell as they were available for every kegger on campus. But I learned how to work to midnight on the far side of town, complete my assignments and still make my 8:00am class.
It's not the degree that shows competency. It's the drive required to get the degree that tells you what you need to know about a potential employee. For example, a high school drop out is probably not a high school drop out because he's stupid. He's a high school drop out because he is lazy, has a problem with authority, can't/won't follow rules or some other issue that prevented him from finishing high school. (Yes, I understand that there are special circumstances that force some people to drop out of high school that are beyond the person's control; like a sick mother or something.)
On the other hand, take your typical liberal arts graduate. Sure, they may not have learned how to perform advanced math on hex numbers while in college, but they have shown that they are willing to learn new ideas, do the hard work, follow the rules, see a task through to completion and generally put up with the bullshit that you have to put up with in order to get the degree.
It's not the degree itself that matters. It is what getting the degree says about the person who got it.
apparently you are either woefully uninformed or have a very selective memory regarding US government behavior.
our government has tortured people to death very recently. some of them we knew to be innocent. we have partnered with governments every bit as hateful as iran to outsource even more torture (Egypt as an example.) take your strawmen elsewhere
I'm going to needs some sort of VALID and CREDIBLE citati..... Oh, your name is conspirator57. Never mind. I understand now. I'm sure you are also one of those that believe 9-11 was a series of controlled demolitions, con-trails are a mind control poison by the Illuminati to make you part of the new slave class. No amount of logic or evidence will convince you otherwise.
Where any person must submit papers that they are a legal US citizen. We've joked with the Hindi Indians at work that they better avoid AZ if they drive out west, but it's true. Unless they can produce their green card or SSN card, they could be detained.
If they are to drive out west as you say, shouldn't they have a drivers license? That is sufficient ID in Arizona, even an out of state license.
I don't care what benchmarks say...the butt-dyno (eye-dyno?) tells me that it works much faster than Firefox. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter to me...it feels faster, and that's what I care about.
Speed doesn't matter as much to me as Tree-Style-Tabs. FF3.6 is fast enough for me and my tabs are nested along the left side of the screen. When I open a new tab from a link within a page, it nests the new tab under the original. This comes in real handy for doing things like Google searches. I can type in a search and open several tabs based on the results. When I'm done, I close the parent tab which closes all tabs nested under it. For me, it is the greatest tool for a browser since tabs themselves.
I can not find anything comparable for Chrome and won't use FF4 until it gets the same thing.
The gadgets are fun to putz around with, don't get me wrong, but the fact that I still can't save an attachment from a gmail to my Android device without loading on some third party software means that there is a long way to go.
I can save gmail attachments to my Evo, no problem without any third party software. Now, if I want to open those attachments or even find them, then, yes, I will need third party apps. A file browser for example.
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If they manage to militarize space, commerce might begin in full force. Sadly, you don't get the kind of focus you need on something unless it has military applications. If you can get a nation to make a outpost in space, we're free and clear as far as surviving a major disaster.
An outpost in space is worthless until it becomes self sustaining. If you destroy a country that has space outposts, you will suddenly have those space outposts begging the victorious country for supplies to survive or a ride home.
Your statement is mostly correct however. It should read:
If you can get a nation to make a self sustaining outpost in space, we're free and clear as far as surviving a major disaster.
Really guys. It's not that hard.
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I don't know if Judicial Watch is considered a Right Wing site or not. Not that it matters as facts are non partisan. In other words, I don't give a rat's ass what site it comes from. If you can't counter the FACTS presented, STFU.
2 How does overspending on flights relate to hypocrisy?
As another reader pointed out:
My biggest complaint about Sarah and all the other "conservatives" is that they seem constitutionally incapable of recognizing their own hypocrisy... they've adopted self-delusion as a lifestyle, and it fits them well.
And the hypocrisy I was pointing out is your own. When Sarah Palin spends money, you're all over her. When I bring up Nancy Pelosi living like a queen on the tax payer dollar, you actually defend her.
And, BTW, you listed exactly zero examples of Sarah Palin wasting tax payer money. Sure, the McCain campaign gave her a make over, but the $100,000 in clothes went to charity after the campaign. Sure, when put a tanning bed in the governor's mansion... HER OWN tanning bed.
Still, don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.
It isn't in the constitution that the capital have bathrooms but it does, this falls under "necessary and proper". Congress is empowered to do things not explicitly listed in order to exercise one of their enumerated powers, this is called implied powers.
All government buildings need proper facilities in order for government workers to do their jobs. That makes it "necessary and proper". However, taking over health care or bailing out anything at all or subsidizing farmers or spending tax payer money to study grape seed genetics or any of other millions of government programs are neither necessary nor proper. But government has stuff it can and is supposed to do. Government can't really do the tasks spelled out for it to do in the Constitution if government employees are having to piss in a bucket!
And if "necessary and proper" covers everything, what was the point of the 10th Amendment? The 10 Amendment was written AFTER "necessary and proper". In other words, the Founders said after everything was written, "Hmmmm. I think some asshole might think the government has unlimited power because of the "necessary and proper" and commerce clauses. We better go ahead and spell it out because half the people are below average intelligence. We'll make it the 10th Amendment".
4 Do you have any point at all or was this just an excuse to insult someone on the other side you don't like? Free speech and all that so feel free but it is annoying to see posts like this that are not only off topic but fail to make any point at all.
The point was to show that your hatred of Sarah Palin and other conservatives are not based on fact or the reasons you list because you don't care when someone of the left does the exact same thing. It was to show that your hatred of Sarah Palin is about nothing other than the differences of opinion you have with her. Libs like you always talk how important it is to be a free thinker and to speak your mind and all, but as soon as someone says something you disagree with, they must be taken out. You will relentlessly attack conservatives like Palin and point out any single flaw she has to justify your raw hatred of someone with a different political view than yourself.
The hypocrisy is not of Sarah Palin. It is all yours.
I used to live in Alaska. I still can't believe half the people up there were stupid enough to vote for this dizzy bitch. Please tell me you weren't one of them! My biggest complaint about Sarah and all the other "conservatives" is that they seem constitutionally incapable of recognizing their own hypocrisy... they've adopted self-delusion as a lifestyle, and it fits them well.
You mean like Nancy Pelosi's travel expense:
* Speaker Pelosi used Air Force aircraft to travel back to her district at an average cost of $28,210.51 per flight. The average cost of an international CODEL is $228,563.33. Of the 103 Pelosi-led congressional delegations (CODEL), 31 trips included members of the House Speaker’s family.
* One CODEL traveling from Washington, DC, through Tel Aviv, Israel to Baghdad, Iraq May 15-20, 2008, “to discuss matters of mutual concern with government leaders” included members of Congress and their spouses and cost $17,931 per hour in aircraft alone. Purchases for the CODEL included: Johnny Walker Red scotch, Grey Goose vodka, E&J brandy, Bailey’s Irish Crème, Maker’s Mark whiskey, Courvoisier cognac, Bacardi Light rum, Jim Beam whiskey, Beefeater gin, Dewars scotch, Bombay Sapphire gin, Jack Daniels whiskey, Corona beer and several bottles of wine.
* According to a “Memo for Record” from a March 29—April 7, 2007, CODEL that involved a stop in Israel, “CODEL could only bring Kosher items into the Hotel. Kosher alcohol for mixing beverages in the Delegation room was purchased on the local economy i.e. Bourbon, Whiskey, Scotch, Vodka, Gin, Triple Sec, Tequila, etc.”
* The Department of Defense advanced a CODEL of 56 members of Congress and staff $60,000 to travel to Louisiana and Mississippi July 19-22, 2008, to “view flood relief advances from Hurricane Katrina.” The three-day trip cost the U.S. Air Force $65,505.46, exceeding authorized funding by $5,505.46.
Oh wait. She's a lib so it doesn't count, right? I'm sure it's in the Constitution somewhere that the Speaker of the House can spend thousands on hard liquor while traveling abroad.
No, Id say there is equally little humor in both situations.
For all those claiming that it is funny because of the atrocities he tried to commit, do you also chuckle at the "darwin awards"? Is human life of such little value to you, that you think people must earn the right to live? That the loss of a life perceived as unproductive or harmful is thus a joyous thing?
When one wants to to forfeit their life to kill several others, the value of their life becomes negative the value of the lives they would have taken, plus one. So when something like this happens, I rejoice at all the lives saved by the bomber's mistake.
Mathematically speaking, assuming all human life is equal, the bombers live is valued at one. Since she failed at her attack, her death is valued at the number of lives she would have taken if she had been successful. Let's call that value X. Since she probably would have killed more than one person, X > 1. She is worth more dead from a failed attack than if she had succeeded.
There are accidents, friendly fire casualties, bad apples, and a lot of other bad shit that happens, but it is war and it is chaotic. We try our best not to harm the innocents or our own.
I do not argue any of this. But to say that "their death is a laughing matter, for they are monsters".... this is likely the very same justification they themselves use as they attack civilian populations. I can understand opposition to them, even deadly, but to laugh about such matters is very disquieting.
The only thing that disturbs me about terrorists killing themselves is that they did not change their ways. There have been failed suicide bombers who have become rehabilitated, but when the alternative is the death of innocents, I will cheer the "mostly harmless" death of a suicide bomber any day.
They would likely level similar accusations against us, and who's to say how much of the information they have is correct?
honorless
Using a sneak attack intended to kill the unarmed civilians is both honorless and cowardly by anyone's definition.
Ah, but you assume because one playes D&D one doesn't do the other, or vice versa, that playing D&D alone will get one's ass kicked, or that if it does happen that somebody wants to beat somebody up for playing D&D that the person won't be able to get away or fight at all.
Assumptions based in stereotypes and not reality.
To both you and whoever modded this "Troll"
WHOOSH!
It leads to staying locked up in the basement with their accomplices so they're out not committing crimes. Problem solved?
It also leads to players getting their asses "kicked" by those that spend their time lifting weights instead of playing D&D.
It might not work as well as they think. I got this as I read down a bit:
Actually, I am browsing with Chrome, but have not opened GMail in this session at all, not once since the reboot. Maybe it is something Chrome is doing, since I get "No, you're not logged in" while using the incognito window.
If you are using your gmail account to download bookmarks, custom home page or whatever Chrome may be logging into gmail for, it may throw off the result.
However, in saying that, I noticed that it reported me logged into Facebook, which I am not, nor have I since my last reboot. I'm running Firefox 3.6.13.
if any of these 'superpowers' staking claims on the moon does some stupid test and blows it up e.g. drilling a deep hole and dropping in powerful explosives and... what will the effect be for gravitational pull, tides, seasons, the spinning of a twirling little ball?
I know it sounds stupid, but is this not a realistic military threat to all mankind? *puts*on*tinfoil*hat*
If someone were to "blow up" the moon, we'd see some rocks falling to earth, but the majority of the debris would form a ring around the earth.
If you pay for the photograph, it's a work for hire that belongs to you, absent a contract saying something different.
In the US, no it's not. You need a copyright release before you own that image. Sure, you own the paper photo itself and you are free to put it wherever you like. But you are not allowed to copy it without written consent from the photographer.
This is why I demand a copyright release up front from any photographer I pay to take pictures. I also demand all photos taken, not just the ones the photographer thinks I might like. It costs more, but it's worth it to me.
Sounds like rationalization to me.
Yes, the most extremely exceptional people succeed without needing credentials of any kind. A highly driven genius doesn't need to prove he's a driven genius to a college professor before attaining success (though it often helps).
For people who aren't that one-in-ten-million person, college is a good bet. I personally have benefited substantially from doing a four-year stint in college. It's helps mediocre joes like me.
Denigrating those 999,999/1,000,000 people as drones shows you are either looking down on us from a position as that 1/1,000,000 people, or looking up at us jealously as one of the people who couldn't get through college himself. Considering you have time to waste on Slashdot, I have my own guess as to which it is.
My goal is not to denigrate or belittle those without education. My goal is show that education says something more than the discipline studied. If I had a job opening and two people with no previous related experience were applying, one fresh out of college with a 2.8 GPA and one who didn't finish high school, all things being equal, who do you think I'm going to hire? Who would you hire?
Once you've been out in real world for a while, education doesn't really matter. I'll take someone with experience over a degree any day of the week. Most employers would. I believe that the reason that people with degrees make more money is not because they have the degree, but because they are the type of people who will put forth the effort to gain a degree. These are the people who will work late when needed, spend free time learning the new products and procedures, and don't require someone to hold their hand. They don't avoid tasks that are not officially part of their job description. These are the people who get promoted and make more money. Granted, some of these people may not have complete high school. I work along side a couple of people who didn't complete HS who have the same job I do, making the same amount of money. They've done this job for years, as I have and know the material as well as anyone. No school teaches our product. The only difference between those of us that are good at our jobs and those that don't cut it is experience and drive.
When hiring, our employer looks for that drive. Excelling in a previous job shows it. So does completing a degree, to a lesser extent.
By the way, it is the experience, preparation and drive that allows me to post here while still completing my assigned tasks. Actually, my tasks are done. I'm waiting on everyone else to catch up so I can move on to the next step.
Oh, sure, you can... but it is hard
Exactly. I want employees that can do hard things.
Which is exactly the point. It's hard.
Congrats to you for sticking it out despite obstacles, but when people have to serve two years in the military, take out loans, and still have to work two jobs to pay for college, no surprise, but a lot of them don't make it through.
Right. It's hard. Do you want an employee whining that "it's too hard. Eff-it!" or do you want someone that was not only able to support themselves, but put in the extra "hard" effort it takes to improve themselves?
Those that didn't make it through can work on the line, making $30k/yr until they decide to go back and finish making it. Those that have made it can make $75k/yr and watch over those that are not motivated enough to complete the hard stuff.
And for the record, my jobs paid for my computers, furniture, car, rent, utilities, dates, and of course, beer (or other intoxicants). The GI Bill paid for my classes, books and fees. Later, after I was married, the jobs paid bills while the loans and scholarships paid for the wife's degrees.
And if the discussion were about "getting more out of college" and not about "getting into college," then that would have been relevant.
Actually, this is a discussion about what you get out of college. It is a comparison between those with college degrees and those that dropped out of high school.
And BTW, it is hard for those that have their college paid for as well. None of my professors asked how I pay for college, with the exception of one. This one actually offered to give me a break because he said he knew how hard it was to support a family and still go to school. Of course, I didn't need the break and turned in my assignment on time, but the offer was there.
Getting a degree could also mean you're overly conformist and likely to lack a lot of creativity. You probably lack a strong leadership personality and shy away from individual excellence. If I need a worker drone, you're probably a good fit. I may or may not desire a worker drone.
I don't think you are likely to find your employee with a strong leadership personality who doesn't shy away from individual excellence in your average high school drop out. "Individual excellence" is not the first thing that comes to mind when I think of someone who couldn't get past the 10th grade. I'm not saying they don't exist, but you are not likely to find them.
Besides, my degree program emphasized leadership as well as working within a team to complete a given project. Creativity is also a must in any degree program with the exception of something like accounting. Then again, I don't want a "creative" numbers on my expense or profit reports.
...the more I look to hire high school drop-outs and illegal immigrants.
Seriously, don't Kids These Days want to put in a full day's work and pay some dues any more?
If they were willing to put in put in a full day's work, they would have probably graduated high school!
On Slashdot we don't like to talk about class. We'd rather just pretend it doesn't exist, it makes ineffectually complaining about the government while continuing to support the status quo easier.
Srsly though, not a troll. Come on guys.
Earning a degree has nothing to do with class. Anyone can get into college. Can't afford it? Join the military, get loans, scholarship or work three jobs while going to school. I served two years in the US Army, took out loans and worked two jobs to put myself and my wife through college. I have a bachelors and my wife earned her masters. We were both raised by single parents who worked multiple jobs to put food on the table. Neither of our parents paid for our education.
Of course, it helps to have mommy and daddy pay your way so you don't even have to hold a job while in school. I knew some of these people, and frankly, I got much more out of college than they did. Sure, they may have better stories to tell as they were available for every kegger on campus. But I learned how to work to midnight on the far side of town, complete my assignments and still make my 8:00am class.
It's not the degree that shows competency. It's the drive required to get the degree that tells you what you need to know about a potential employee. For example, a high school drop out is probably not a high school drop out because he's stupid. He's a high school drop out because he is lazy, has a problem with authority, can't/won't follow rules or some other issue that prevented him from finishing high school. (Yes, I understand that there are special circumstances that force some people to drop out of high school that are beyond the person's control; like a sick mother or something.)
On the other hand, take your typical liberal arts graduate. Sure, they may not have learned how to perform advanced math on hex numbers while in college, but they have shown that they are willing to learn new ideas, do the hard work, follow the rules, see a task through to completion and generally put up with the bullshit that you have to put up with in order to get the degree.
It's not the degree itself that matters. It is what getting the degree says about the person who got it.
That'll be difficult. I hear he dies hard.
That will just make it difficult to close the casket.
What next, as long as you mark it as "gift" you can send them weapons? :-P
Those are not gun barrels. Those are rigid hookah pipes with laser sights.
In other related news, North Korea opens hundreds of Proxy servers for business hoping to get Iran's business.
Or....
Coffee shops with open wifi near government buildings see surge in Internet traffic.
apparently you are either woefully uninformed or have a very selective memory regarding US government behavior.
our government has tortured people to death very recently. some of them we knew to be innocent. we have partnered with governments every bit as hateful as iran to outsource even more torture (Egypt as an example.) take your strawmen elsewhere
I'm going to needs some sort of VALID and CREDIBLE citati..... Oh, your name is conspirator57. Never mind. I understand now. I'm sure you are also one of those that believe 9-11 was a series of controlled demolitions, con-trails are a mind control poison by the Illuminati to make you part of the new slave class. No amount of logic or evidence will convince you otherwise.
Got it.
Maybe he lives in Arizona.
Where any person must submit papers that they are a legal US citizen. We've joked with the Hindi Indians at work that they better avoid AZ if they drive out west, but it's true. Unless they can produce their green card or SSN card, they could be detained.
If they are to drive out west as you say, shouldn't they have a drivers license? That is sufficient ID in Arizona, even an out of state license.
I don't care what benchmarks say...the butt-dyno (eye-dyno?) tells me that it works much faster than Firefox. Whether it's true or not doesn't matter to me...it feels faster, and that's what I care about.
Speed doesn't matter as much to me as Tree-Style-Tabs. FF3.6 is fast enough for me and my tabs are nested along the left side of the screen. When I open a new tab from a link within a page, it nests the new tab under the original. This comes in real handy for doing things like Google searches. I can type in a search and open several tabs based on the results. When I'm done, I close the parent tab which closes all tabs nested under it. For me, it is the greatest tool for a browser since tabs themselves.
I can not find anything comparable for Chrome and won't use FF4 until it gets the same thing.
The gadgets are fun to putz around with, don't get me wrong, but the fact that I still can't save an attachment from a gmail to my Android device without loading on some third party software means that there is a long way to go.
I can save gmail attachments to my Evo, no problem without any third party software. Now, if I want to open those attachments or even find them, then, yes, I will need third party apps. A file browser for example.