Obviously it's not growing every month. Firefox is the one that's had the publicity behind it, it's the one people have heard of, it's the one people are using.
How do you know this? Babies from different countries "talk" the same up to a certain age, if everyone's thoughts were different as you assume surely they would all talk differently (even within the same country until they learnt that country's language). It could be more like a load of identical machines, only some of them are on an Ethernet network while others are using Token Ring.
They can't tell the difference. But it doesn't affect your normal use that you're paying for if they put 1s latency on it. It will affect gaming, but they can bypass it only for games, since they aren't encrypted.
But they'll fiddle so it only affects the latency, not the bandwidth. You wouldn't mind (much) if it was taking 1s to start your download as long as it downloaded at 300KB/s once it was going. But 1s latency on your phone conversation would kill it.
Yep. That's what they do. And the issue is that the phone company is removing everyone else's tags but leaving theirs, so only their packets get prioritised.
I don't know, maybe on its own. But Ubuntu seems to me to be a warm, rounded word, perhaps just by association with their softly warmly themed Gnome look. Wheras the K is a very hard, technological sound, which contrasts badly with the rest of the word.
There's one big problem with the Debian system: testing doesn't get security updates. Unstable doesn't either, but they'll get it as soon as the project releases its own updated version. But testing keeps the same packages for quite a while, and is in the right place in terms of modernity/stability for many desktop users. If it got fixes and security updates, it would be a very useable system.
Yes, and even some non-unix systems, timestamps are standardised. And if you can find an attractive virgin female...well, I can think of better things to do than sacrifice her, but if that's what you want...
Well, good, but as with these moves towards open sourcing it it seems too late. And the insane version scheme doesn't help Java at all. Anyway, I have had such horrible experience with swing, being incredibly slow and even more ugly, that I don't want to go near it again. Is the native look and feel done with true native widgets, or just by theming swing?
More open implementations make it more open. You can talk all you like about the community process but the fact is you can get a pretty complete.net implementation using only free software, which is still some way off for java.
I think they got more users because it didn't exist, but that showed there was a gap. I would certainly prefer having a good.net implementation and java a bit further off than a good java implementation and no.net at all. I don't think the community has suffered at all. And I am curious as to why you claim Java is the better alternative..net supports multiple languages right out of the box, and c# took the best parts of the java language.
Why should I bother when I can use other languages that are free right now? I'd like a free java 1.5, and it would make a difference to me, but if I'd have to do it myself I'm just going to use something else.
Reread the second part of that required ingredient. You still need to make it a lot bigger before it's going to work. Still, seems my mass driver may not be the thing to destroy the earth after all.
If you RTFA I think you'll find they're claiming they're not spammers and so suing him for defamation. Which, if they're really not spammers, they have every right to, and indeed should to protect their name.
Yes, we still hate it. They're trying to make us not hate it by pretending that the reasons we hate it don't really count. But they do. Until Java shows up in Debian main, keep hating it.
Yes, it's because people spent more time on Mono, but the fact is, people have spent the time on Mono which they haven't on Java. So, *right now*, you can use all of Mono's C# api as free stuff, which is enough. Wheras what is available of Java (1.2 and a smidgen of 1.3 last time I checked) is not enough. I refuse to use any features of C which are icc-only, or borland-only, but the entire C language is supported by gcc, so I can use it and remain free. Once all of java is supported by free compilers, I will start using it. And no I'm not going to write the compiler to do that, why should I when I can use Mono right now? And IIRC the license of the source sun lets you look at is so restrictive that you're actually worse off from the point of view of making a free implementation.
Java is not free because there is no free implementation of it, unlike C. The fact that the documentation and things are available means nothing while there is no free implementation. It may make a difference in the future, but at the moment Java is not free while C and C# are.
IIRC the JVM has to be included for the primary purpose of running the java app you bundle with it. So unless you can make a good argument that the main reason you included the JVM was so people could run "Hello, world", no. Many distros include enough java programs (azureus, jedit, etc.) that they can make that argument and include it on their CDs, but when you're doing it over ftp you can only really put it on the isos, because when you have the file available separately you're distributing it on its own.
The implementation is not open though. Which means that I can't fix bugs in it, I can't make a special version to run on my weird machine, and as someone else pointed out using it on an OS sun doesn't support is a nightmare.
There are three different open source attempts to write a Java setup. At least one of them happened for the sole reason that Sun's one is not open source so couldn't be included in Debian. So if it was open source from the start there would be at least one less fork. The fact is refusing to open the language has not prevented it forking, it has encouraged more forking to happen. You could argue that the greater ease of forking from having the full setup available to start your fork would have led to more forking, but I doubt it because people dislike "unofficial" versions. Especially if they kept the trademark, I can't imagine any non-Sun forks gaining popularity unless they were at least 20% better than Sun's, in which case the benefit from those improvements probably outweighs the damage done by forking.
But most programs are small programs. If it doesn't work for the small stuff, it doesn't work, because in the end it's all small stuff. I have tried a lot to work in Java, but all it seems to do is combine the extra typing of C with the runtime performance of Python.
Then SUSE are violating their license, or at the very least have special permission. You normally are allowed to distribute the JVM with your java programs, but that's all, and you certainly can't distribute it without any EULA.
No, MS didn't release it as GPL, but the fact is that.net as a platform is more open than Java because there is a working open.net implementation while the open java implementations are seriously lagging. And it's very easy to explain: native look and feel is far far far nicer than nonnative, and you would be hard pressed to find a toolkit anywhere that looks worse than Swing. DR's GEM is the only thing I can think of that rivals it for ugliness.
That's because of centralised control. You'll find that Debian is laid out as well as FreeBSD, because they have very strict packaging guidelines and a policy on these things. But you lose some of the flexibility. As a gentoo user I have packages all over the place, but that's mostly because I put them there, and because the system for adding new stuff is more open.
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I can raise you one, at mine there was a computer running win 2.0 in 3-bit colour.
Obviously it's not growing every month. Firefox is the one that's had the publicity behind it, it's the one people have heard of, it's the one people are using.
How do you know this? Babies from different countries "talk" the same up to a certain age, if everyone's thoughts were different as you assume surely they would all talk differently (even within the same country until they learnt that country's language). It could be more like a load of identical machines, only some of them are on an Ethernet network while others are using Token Ring.
They can't tell the difference. But it doesn't affect your normal use that you're paying for if they put 1s latency on it. It will affect gaming, but they can bypass it only for games, since they aren't encrypted.
But they'll fiddle so it only affects the latency, not the bandwidth. You wouldn't mind (much) if it was taking 1s to start your download as long as it downloaded at 300KB/s once it was going. But 1s latency on your phone conversation would kill it.
Yep. That's what they do. And the issue is that the phone company is removing everyone else's tags but leaving theirs, so only their packets get prioritised.
I don't know, maybe on its own. But Ubuntu seems to me to be a warm, rounded word, perhaps just by association with their softly warmly themed Gnome look. Wheras the K is a very hard, technological sound, which contrasts badly with the rest of the word.
There's one big problem with the Debian system: testing doesn't get security updates. Unstable doesn't either, but they'll get it as soon as the project releases its own updated version. But testing keeps the same packages for quite a while, and is in the right place in terms of modernity/stability for many desktop users. If it got fixes and security updates, it would be a very useable system.
They'll make three sequels for each, of course. Haven't you been paying attention?
Yes, and even some non-unix systems, timestamps are standardised. And if you can find an attractive virgin female...well, I can think of better things to do than sacrifice her, but if that's what you want...
They're the perfect people. MS knows everything there is to know about being flawed!
Well, good, but as with these moves towards open sourcing it it seems too late. And the insane version scheme doesn't help Java at all. Anyway, I have had such horrible experience with swing, being incredibly slow and even more ugly, that I don't want to go near it again. Is the native look and feel done with true native widgets, or just by theming swing?
I think they got more users because it didn't exist, but that showed there was a gap. I would certainly prefer having a good .net implementation and java a bit further off than a good java implementation and no .net at all. I don't think the community has suffered at all. And I am curious as to why you claim Java is the better alternative. .net supports multiple languages right out of the box, and c# took the best parts of the java language.
Why should I bother when I can use other languages that are free right now? I'd like a free java 1.5, and it would make a difference to me, but if I'd have to do it myself I'm just going to use something else.
Yes, and Java. I haven't done big projects with either, but I've made a few applications, and Mono seems nicer.
Reread the second part of that required ingredient. You still need to make it a lot bigger before it's going to work. Still, seems my mass driver may not be the thing to destroy the earth after all.
If you RTFA I think you'll find they're claiming they're not spammers and so suing him for defamation. Which, if they're really not spammers, they have every right to, and indeed should to protect their name.
Yes, we still hate it. They're trying to make us not hate it by pretending that the reasons we hate it don't really count. But they do. Until Java shows up in Debian main, keep hating it.
Java is not free because there is no free implementation of it, unlike C. The fact that the documentation and things are available means nothing while there is no free implementation. It may make a difference in the future, but at the moment Java is not free while C and C# are.
IIRC the JVM has to be included for the primary purpose of running the java app you bundle with it. So unless you can make a good argument that the main reason you included the JVM was so people could run "Hello, world", no. Many distros include enough java programs (azureus, jedit, etc.) that they can make that argument and include it on their CDs, but when you're doing it over ftp you can only really put it on the isos, because when you have the file available separately you're distributing it on its own.
The implementation is not open though. Which means that I can't fix bugs in it, I can't make a special version to run on my weird machine, and as someone else pointed out using it on an OS sun doesn't support is a nightmare.
There are three different open source attempts to write a Java setup. At least one of them happened for the sole reason that Sun's one is not open source so couldn't be included in Debian. So if it was open source from the start there would be at least one less fork. The fact is refusing to open the language has not prevented it forking, it has encouraged more forking to happen. You could argue that the greater ease of forking from having the full setup available to start your fork would have led to more forking, but I doubt it because people dislike "unofficial" versions. Especially if they kept the trademark, I can't imagine any non-Sun forks gaining popularity unless they were at least 20% better than Sun's, in which case the benefit from those improvements probably outweighs the damage done by forking.
But most programs are small programs. If it doesn't work for the small stuff, it doesn't work, because in the end it's all small stuff. I have tried a lot to work in Java, but all it seems to do is combine the extra typing of C with the runtime performance of Python.
No, MS didn't release it as GPL, but the fact is that .net as a platform is more open than Java because there is a working open .net implementation while the open java implementations are seriously lagging. And it's very easy to explain: native look and feel is far far far nicer than nonnative, and you would be hard pressed to find a toolkit anywhere that looks worse than Swing. DR's GEM is the only thing I can think of that rivals it for ugliness.
That's because of centralised control. You'll find that Debian is laid out as well as FreeBSD, because they have very strict packaging guidelines and a policy on these things. But you lose some of the flexibility. As a gentoo user I have packages all over the place, but that's mostly because I put them there, and because the system for adding new stuff is more open.