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KDE 3.4 Released
andy753421 links to today's announcement of the official release of KDE 3.4, and writes "Several KDE 3.4 based distributions such as ArkLinux and Kubuntu are soon to follow. Features in the release include built in Text to Speech, a revamped trash system, enhanced PDF support and PC to PC synchronization, as well as a new theme. KDE 3.4 weights in at 6,500+ bug fixes, 1,700+ enhancements, and a grand total of 80,000+ contributions." Reader gotr00t adds a link to the KDE download mirror page . Update: 03/16 20:58 GMT by T : mrevell points out an interview with KDE hacker Aaron Seigo in the latest LugRadio, in which Seigo "dispels various myths about KDE and talks about the desktop environment's future."
KDE 3.4 weights in at 6,500+ bug fixes, 1,700+ enhancements, and a grand total of 80,000+ contributions.
Plus the 1000+ posts that are going to come in this slashdot article from kde vs. gnome folks.
Does it support a 1-button mouse?
and i JUST finished recompiling it.
crap.
This is my opinion. Everyone has a right to my opinion.
Let's not forget Mepis. Another KDE based distro as well and getting much press as of late.
e pi s
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=m
1) Kongratulations!
2) All your GUI are belong to KDE!
3) I, for one, welcome our new K-based overlords!
4) In Soviet Russia, KDE releases YOU!
That ought to cover the major ones. Carry on with the inevitable GNOME/KDE/XFCE/X flamefest now.
Everyone loves pretty pictures!
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http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?r
To make a pun demonstrates the highest understanding of a language
I know linux naming conventions are pretty bad, but really, this takes the biscuit.
I am trolling
In three months, we'll have a story about how it runs on gentoo.
...and with the advent of qt4 maybe we'll be running KDE on windows sometimes soon?
http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.4.php
Highlights at a glance
* Text-to-speech system with support built into Konqueror, Kate, KPDF and the standalone application KSayIt
* Support for text to speech synthesis is integrated with the desktop
* Completely redesigned, more flexible trash system
* Kicker with improved look and feel
* KPDF now enables you to select, copy & paste text and images from PDFs, along with many other improvements
* Kontact supports now various groupware servers, including eGroupware, GroupWise, Kolab, OpenGroupware.org and SLOX
* Kopete supports Novell Groupwise and Lotus Sametime and gets integrated into Kontact
* DBUS/HAL support allows to keep dynamic device icons in media:/ and on the desktop in sync with the state of all devices
* KHTML has improved standard support and now close to full support for CSS 2.1 and the CSS 3 Selectors module
* Better synchronization between 2 PCs
* A new high contrast style and a complete monochrome icon set
* An icon effect to paint all icons in two chosen colors, converting third party application icons into high contrast monochrome icons
* Akregator allows you to read news from your favourite RSS-enabled websites in one application
* Juk has now an album cover management via Google Image Search
* KMail now stores passwords securely with KWallet
* SVG files can now be used as wallpapers
* KHTML plug-ins are now configurable, so the user can selectively disable ones that are not used. This does not include Netscape-style plug-ins. Netscape plug-in in CPU usage can be manually lowered, and plug-ins are more stable.
* more than 6,500 bugs have been fixed
* more than 1,700 wishes have been fullfilled
* more than 80,000 contributions with several million lines of code and documentation added or changed
creation science book
Call me ignorant, but what does KDE have to do with BSD?
/^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
is there no category for GUI development etc yet?
it could just as easily have stayed in BSD: could it not?
I actually use KDE as my default desktop but it's so so so fat !!!!
hey gnome don't have 80.000 developers
isn't it ?
the ebuilds are already up for gentoo though you may need to unmask them at the moment.
i should add the really cool thing this brings for gentoo users is the way kde packages have been split up to allow only the needed packages to be installed
Why is this story under BSD???
You can thank me by down-modding this lame post.
Actually it performs better with every x.y release, although the new features will weigh against that for real speed. But they're taking a breath ready to make KDE 4 the most bloaty ever. (Disclaimer: I'm actually a KDE fan, I do know qt4 brings a lot of speed improvements, but I also expect this to be true at least of the 4.0 release)
I am trolling
New theme huh ? The screenshots section on the kde page doesn't include any 3.4 screens... PLZ post a link, thanks.
Gnome is still has a slicker interface, too bad the devs have isolated themselves from the community, unlike the KDE guys. More power to em if thats what they want.
Will gnome ever have a menu editor ? And if so.. will they package it in gnome-extras.. as if the whole thing never happened ? Probably.
It runs fine on anything made in the last four years. If your system is older than that and it's too slow for you, try XFCE. The rest of us KDE and Gnome users will welcome you into the fold the next time you upgrade.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Damn Slashdot Editors... and stuff. :)
/^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
$item is cool. Thanks $item developers!
Define Fine. KDE on a 2.5 Ghz box is nowhere near as fast as windows 98 on a 233 mhz machine. The dialogs are just fat !
Very polished, much cleaner than before, faster, insanely great new KPDF, all in all really nice.
I think this is a worthy ending to KDE3 and really makes me look forward to what's in store for KDE4.
Congratulations devs, well done.
It's the most popular desktop environment for BSD? It lets KDE and GNOME stories be put in separate sections so we don't get quite as many flamewars?
I am trolling
The National Weather Service has issued an alert for the entirety of the United States. An unusual buildup of heat is expected over the next few days related to a sudden and massive increase in processor usage of select personal computers across the country.
This alert is based off of previous temperature surges related to the release of the 'KDE' software package to users of the 'Gentoo' operating system. As another release of this package has just occurred, the National Weather Service is issuing this alert so relief organizations can be prepared. Special attention is to be paid to the south-western united states due to unseasonably high temperatures, and high concentrations of personal computer equipment.
An additional National Weather Service extreme temperature WARNING has been issued for the Silicon Valley region.
Karma: SELECT `karma` FROM `users` WHERE `userid`=138474;
Try reloading the frontpage several times. The category will change between BSD and Linux randomly.
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Look here zealots. You have your work cut out. Let the GNOME/KDE flames begin.
What the hell has it got to do with Linux? KDE even runs on cygwin.
I actually use KDE as my default desktop but it's so so so phat!!!!
BSD: KDE 3.4 Released
Call me ignorant, but what does KDE have to do with BSD?
Now that this topic is under Linux:, I can ask the same question - what does KDE have to do with Linux?
KDE is independent of either.
Looking at all these change highlights makes me question the development process of these huge window managers--GNOME as well as KDE. Why do they spend so much effort developing new apps for every common task? For example, why is there a KOffice and GNOME Office when I can just use OpenOffice instead? Why Kopete, when I could use Gaim? It seems that the developers' time would be better spent improving the core functions of the window manager.
Call me ignorant, but what does KDE have to do with BSD?
:) Popular desktop on both.
...
Mr. Helmet:
Well, KDE has about as much to do with BSD as it does with Linux
My intent was to make it basically in the Linux section (since many more KDE users are using Linux -- I assert, without numbers, just observation, and I could be wrong, and a moose once bit my sister and and and), cross-listed in the BSD section.
A peculiarity of the Slashdot backend means I picked the wrong order / weighting for KDE vs. Linux; I updated the story to fix this. No slight is meant toward Linux users, BSD users, Gnome users, those who enjoy boiled eggs with dill of a winter evening
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
The lupinomorphically challenged, for one.
If you don't need it, noone is forcing you to install a dynamic MOON PHASE display.
This way, people that want such a thing can have it and people that don't want it, don't have to bother.
It's an inasanely great concept, isn't it?
First of all, that thing has been there since KDE 1.0. It's a toy, and I doubt it requires much maintenance, so why not leave it in? What do you expect from something in the "kdetoys" package, anyway?
Second, the current moon phase is very important for amateur astronomers. A full moon makes it nearly impossible to see anything but the brightest objects in the sky, because of the glare. Also, if you want to look at the moon itself, the best time is not when it's full (because everything is so bright and washed out), but when it's at approximately 1/2 phase, because the shadows show depth.
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I'm still waiting and using the e17 window manager, let's see when the "usable" releases will come.
http://www.michel.eti.br
I compiled it from CVS (and done recompiles on some of the cvs modules every few days) - including koffice, extra artwork etc, and plenty other stuff I don't really need, my /opt/kde dir is taking up ~400meg. However, it is running much smoother now than it has done in the past.
But I have to say it's looking sweet. Linux for the desktop has always been missing the polish, but with all the extra features from x.org and kde, it's now able to give the other major 2 a run for their money in the eye candy department.
-2A
The revolution will not be televised... but it will have a page on Wikipedia
Thats just untrue. KDE 3.2 (with eyecandy turned off) ran as well at windows 98 on my girlfriends pentium-MMX 233 in slackware.
I'm not a great developer but anytime I see a project that has 6,500 bug fixes I start to wonder if it's not time to rewrite that program.
KDE 3.4 weighs in at 6,500+ bug fixes,
Today, EDS released a report on the quality of open source software.
Citing over 6,000 known bugs in KDE 3.3 versus zero known bugs in Microsoft Windows, Senior EDS Industry Analyst Joe Isuzu said, "There is no question that open source software is of very poor quality and completely unreliable, the evidence is very clear for anyone to see. Microsoft Windows is head and shoulders above the free alternatives, downhill in a hurricane."
That's been in kdetoys since 2.x at least, hasn't it?
If you don't want the "toys", don't install "kdetoys".
In North Korea only old people use KDE.
I'd prefer a desktop with a smelly foot as a logo.
Yeah, but does it run Linux?
SCNR.
Last week I just upgraded to kde 3.3 because i figured it has allthe buggs worked out. Oh well i wait a few months and get 3.4, only to have 3.5 come out a week later
Does it run on Windows? :)
There is, somewhere i saw in RC1, transparency and shading feats. Stabilize them and i'm all KDE.
This is my opinion. Everyone has a right to my opinion.
I have tested this on dozens of machines so I know what I am talking about. You just must not be the power user I am.
There's an interesting myth based on moon-phases. It's one that states people go a little nutty during a full moon. I've heard stories from hospitals, libraries, and other public places where there's a higher amount of "strange behavior" during full moons.
Personally, I have the moon phase plugin for my gkrellm -- a somewhat-joking "heads-up" if you work with the general public.
If nothing else, knowing the moon-phase can help a little with your nethack strategy, right?
Then again, maybe I'm just another Lunatic.
People who slag Gnome and KDE regarding speed seem to be under the bizarre impression that they're just GUIs, when they're actually far, far more. That's why I recommended XFCE for people with slow systems. It's more of a traditional window manager-type system - albeit with some pretty nice additional utilities - and runs great on my K6-3/333 laptop. You can't possibly compare a stripped down system like XFCE or Windows 98 to a full blown desktop environment, though.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
I do.....:)....very much.....:)
What kinda geek R U that U don't?
"Jeez, people get modded down for stating valid opinions now?"
You must be new here...
a revamped trash system
Yes, now the Trash can has a Windows logo on it.
Exxccccelent. Soon, the final pieces for KDE Klippy will be complete and we will rule the KHelpCenter together! Just imagine it:
I see you are trying to compile the latest Linux kernel. Would you like help with:
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bryan R.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, or $12.50 as seen on eBay.....
mr. nitpic
Windows can afford to be slow. When people get new windows they get a
new computer bundled along with it, generally.
Free software can expect to be installed on old hardware only (at
least when it's first discovered). While J. Random is discovering the
movement on his windows machine, his hardware is aging.
Therefore, speed is more important for the free software movement than
it is for microsoft.
The movement should really have kick ass support for hardware up to a
decade old.
Call me ignorant, but what does KDE have to do with BSD?
About as much as it has to do with Linux; it's the leading desktop environment* for the BSDs.
* Before you start to flame, take a look at things like the number of distributions that default to KDE, the number of awards it has won, how popular it is in online polls, etc.
No, New Here is.
http://slashdot.org/~New%20Here
Hopefully, it is like the microsoft trash system. Clippy "You seem to want to throw away a document. Would you like me to do it for you."
antipaucity
It is vital so we don't miss any episode of Tsukuyomi!!!
- These characters were randomly selected.
It's fine on hardware older than four years. I recently built a KDE 3.3 desktop for someone on an old PII 450 and it felt really smooth.
I was genuinly impressed and wished I could send the state of the hdd back in time when I used the machine for my studies >6 years ago.
I have to say, KDE is starting to get really good. And they seem to be cranking out improvements faster than they did in past years.
A couple more versions, and they'll probably have caught up to/surpassed what you get with a Mac or XP system. GUI-wise, anyway. Underneath it's already better.
The only complaint I really have about Linux on the desktop these days is the confusing layout of the filesystem. Which isn't KDE's fault. I hate having programs located in 5 different directories, with their configuration files in yet ANOTHER directory. I'm used to it, and it makes sense in a way. But I'd like to see all non-OS exectuables in their own folder under one "Program Files" folder, along with their configuration files. All the "system" files could go under a "System" folder.
But that'll never happen. It would break EVERYTHING.
You know, there are a lot of disabled people out there, and providing technology for them is great and doesn't have anything to do with clippy.
Oh, and by disabled I don't me intellectually challenged people like you, because all the computing power in the world available today wouldn't be enough to help you.
just install the essentials, leave out kde-multimedia, kde-network, kde-graphics, kde-utilities, kde-admin, koffice... KDE is modular, i can get a workable KDE desktop with just arts, kde-base,kde-libs, kde-artwork, & QT... if you already have mozilla/firefox & thunderbird, OpenOffice, then why install redundant apps, KDE is nice but too many people forget it is modular and can be made leaner, but if you want the whole kitchen sink slam all the packages in
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
I didn't mean that as a limit to its usefulness. I just meant that anything newer is pretty much guaranteed to run KDE well, although older hardware may be perfectly fine.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
KDE is dying. So...
Perhaps you could make it change icon every five minutes or so, between Linux and BSD?
It would not only give fair coverage to both, but also create some amusing flame wars.
Sadly, about a month ago I gave up on KDE and Gnome and went back to Enlightenment. I have over 1GB RAM, but those desktops are becoming a huge memory hog.
E just sits there (looking beautiful, BTW) and does just what I need. A few tweaks away and I have a great desktop.
Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
This just in...Dinasours cease to walk the earth!
According to one timeline, that would mean a 120MHz Pentium. If you honestly think modern authors should limit the functionality of their software to ensure it runs well on a barely-three-digit-MHz 586, then you're insane and I have a RedHat 4 CD that may interest you.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
The same people who need kstars: an fine interactive astronomical Software :)
The screenshot gallery linked by the parent comment features KDE 3.4 Release Candidate, not the final version.
(Yes, I realize it's probably very similar, but I went through a few screens thinking "well, seems like it hasn't changed a bit from the RC I'm running here" until I noticed the gallery title.)
The filesystem is the package manager
power user
windows 98
lol.
Khoice.
>> Sadly, about a month ago I gave up on KDE and Gnome and went back to Enlightenment. I have over 1GB RAM, but those desktops are becoming a huge memory hog.>>
I have no clue how I manage Gnome 2.8 so easily with 512mb of RAM on a PIII Thinkpad with OOffice.org, Thunderbird and Firefox all going. Gosh. Must be magic pixie dust.
Oh wait! I actually know that Linux maximizes the utilization of all memory on the system to improve performance and having "free memory" makes as much sense as owning a house and keeping three rooms empty.
timothy, can you please update the KDE logo to our new one? It looks much better and slashdot should reflect kde's preferred logo. thanks.
I left eyeball exploded when I saw it. How could you do it, Timmeh?
Does Konqueror still have those horrible menus that expand horizontally rather than scroll vertically like they should?
I am just waiting until debian (unstable) upgrades to this release so i can check out the zeroconf support. If it does what is promised (easy networking) then I will be ONE HAPPY CAMPER!
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And also the new media ioslave (with hal support) is good too!
-Sam
_______________________________________________
I really need to take the time to set this sig, I deserve karma like anyone else...
Maybe, but it's not as fat as yo mamma!
KDE is already at 3.4, but Gnome is only at 2.1!
I've only got 256mb of ram on my laptop and kde 3.3 is perfectly usable.
Gets a little sluggish if i fire up eclipse, but it's still usable.
Not all coders, just enough to liberate people stranded on win95&98
machines. Waiting for those machines to decay is a poor strategy.
I believe you mean "konventions" ;-)
Still, it does have the benefit of being able to immediately peg a software package as needing the KDE environment.
Stephen King's naked and petrified KDE is dying.
I have poured hot grits down my pants. Thank you.
It's also useful for predicting software completion target dates. Am I the only one that read the pom manpage?
Honest mistake, that's how.
And - I just noticed this - my ID is lower than timothy's
Inconceivable!
Wow, that's cool. Will you be my friend?
With that feature, maybe I could read the interview, rather than (not) listening to it at work...
Now before I get modded down, I be to remind whoever might read this that what I am saying is FACT. - bogaboga
... on Mandrake 10.1?
I suppose "urpmi kde 3.4" would be too much to hope for?
KDE's getting to be as cool as Amiga OS...built-in speech...yeah.
They said it would be middle of April. You can pre-order it on the Novell website. I already ordered mine. Suse 9.2 is already a great desktop distro. 9.3 should be even better, with the new KDE and OpenOffice 2.
Pagans....
It's a good contraception method! Not as good as Slashdot, though, as anyone could verify. Still, in some places in this world dial-up lines are expensive, so one doesn't always have access to the very best...
(psst...KDE runs fine on BSD...it's not linux-specific)
Liberal (adj.): Free from bigotry; open to progress; tolerant of others.
You're just lucky you're not running Debian STABLE, I think they just got KDE-1.2.
I try to be an optimist too, but come on, let's get real here.
KDE 3.2 (with eyecandy turned off) ran as well at windows 98 on my girlfriends pentium-MMX 233 in slackware.
There goes your credibility.
Moon Phase Display?!?!?!?! Who in the hell needs a dynamic MOON PHASE display???
I'm a werewolf, you insensitive clod!
how come I only hear good news about KDE and only bad news about GNOME?
whenever GNOME comes up, everybody is bitching about something.
whenever KDE comes up everybody applauds.
Is there any bias or prefference?
It's for gentoo users to keep track of how long it takes to compile.
no, but if there's enough interest, I'll ebay my slash id
Inconceivable!
Amateur astronomers and photographers who work at night, among others.
I'm on the kmail list and in the past 12 hours over 57 bugs have been filed against kmail alone...
I think I'll do what I usually do... wait for x.1 to be released. If that comes out too quickly I wait for x.2.
As always: Back up your data BEFORE trying new software.
Happy compiling...
i need it for monitoring my GF's period. And yes, i am a geek.
foaming at the mouth...
I have been using 3.4 since RC1 days and KPDF absolutely rocks. This is the best PDF reader for Linux including Acrobat reader.
Who in the hell needs a dynamic MOON PHASE display???
Guys who never get outdoors because they spend all their time watching KDE compile.....
>Call me ignorant, but what does KDE have to do with BSD?
No can do. I hate to call people names.
http://freebsd.kde.org/
--
Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.
...gets "Informative"? WTF?!? Funny, sure, but (hopefully) not informative.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
Ignorant.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
OP: well, there's your answer. This guy needs it.
Which Enlightenment version do you recommend, and any personal skin favorites? I'm coming from KDE 3.2 and the load time and general performance is a little sluggish.
Linux: Free if your time is worthless.
Don't forget the pagans!
" kde needs to fix this problem, not a workaround. Not for me because I don't care anymore. For others, especially newbies."
Yes and the catholics need to love the protestants, and the linux need to fix their installion scripts.
If you cannot even mention the distro/version you were running and how you got kde on it, why should anybody take you serious. You are just trying to get people to get angry at you for being hardheaded.
And I will bite your head off.
This space is intentionally staring blankly at you
There's an interesting myth based on moon-phases. It's one that states people go a little nutty during a full moon. I've heard stories from hospitals, libraries, and other public places where there's a higher amount of "strange behavior" during full moons.
It's exactly that, a myth. Actual police and hospital statistics don't bear it out.
New here has been around for a while, at least since last September, and with many posts. I'd say he/she's not all that new here. What a misnomer.
Yeah, I suppose a lot of the perfomance was due to having a good Voodoo3 card so as far as a guarantee you're right. I'll have to upgrade that box now as 3.4 seems to be quicker again!
Adding to that: There are good times and there are bad times for
human sacrifice. Some people need to know.
is this a joke?
scrolling menus are the most horrible invention I've come across. Horizontally expanding ones are faster, and assuming the contents have not changed, the item you want is always in the same place.
scrolling menus should die.
Advanced users are users too!
KDE running with allmost all stuff and it eats 75mb it finish loadin, i don't see how this is a memory hog ...
Runing Gentoo.
I'm a linux newbie, so I was wondering if there was a live CD like there was for Gnome 2.10? I haven't used KDE before, so I'd like to see what its like without changing too much on my box.
I got an old 866mhz with 512 ram running mandrake 10.1 and kde 3.3 running like lightnening... are you sure that ram is plugged in ;)
"Only in their dreams can men truly be free 'twas always thus, and always thus will be."
--Tom Schulman
" KDE 3.4 weights in at 6,500+ bug fixes, 1,700+ enhancements, and a grand total of 80,000+ contributions."
;)
Well that to me means they fixed 6,500 bugs but added 1,700 new bugs, plus the potential for 80,000 more new bugs! Hope they aren't working backwards hehehe
Your ignorance is infinitely greater than you realize.
Well i'm running at 700mhz and unfortuantely my ram is maxed at 256 :(
The CPU is holding up fine, it's the ram and paging that kills me when i have eclipse running.
Dual p2, 768MB ram, 2 vmware sessions numorous konsoles, editors 10+ konqueror tabs and kmail all running, no slowdown. 1GB ram doesnt do much if you just have a 386.
"I use a Mac because I'm just better than you are."
Don't leave it in because less is more. Xfoil is very useful to aerodynamicists wanting quick, basic evaluations of airfoil performance. Do we include it in KDE too? No, because 99% of KDE users don't need it and it would only clutter an already huge menu. Look at OS X. Everything is minimalist; there are no unnecessary buttons, boxes or menus. That's because Apple actually focuses on satisfying 95% of their consumers 99% as well as possible, while KDE attempts to satisfy 100% maybe 70% as well. KDE developers and everyone else want to stick in everything and the kitchen sink, Apple just wants to make something that's simple and that works, which is why OS X kicks the shit out of everything else GUI-wise.
People needing anything esoteric or technical can fetch what they need on their own, because they're not idiots. Astronomers would install their own moon-phase tracking software, because they're astronomers and know how to go about doing that. Scientists routinely customize their software for their specific needs, throwing in a random handful of "maybe-useful" apps into KDE does nothing to alleviate that. All it does is make KDE look more bloated than everything else, especially to all the people who don't need to track moon phases.
Linux, open source and almost everything in America is defined by one theme: little things should disproportiately influence big things to satisfy everyone. If people realized the fallibility of this, then all GUI and technical communication design would vastly improve. Alas though, everyone wants to embrace complexity because it's "cool," and is stuck in missing the forest for the trees.
I vehemently disagree, as does most of the computer using community, since most menus (quite sanely) scroll vertically. Horizontally-expanding menus completely usurp the user's desktop, and that is always a bad interface implementation. If I want to keep the menu to a single column, I am forced to keep a very limited number entries- the choice is not mine anymore, but is made by virtue of the implementation.
I'm awaiting for KDE 3.4. :)
KDE + FreeBSD is a great combination
Need? Well, since you asked, I always have the moon phase applet running. I'm interested recently in astronomical cycles, and related programs. So I guess I don't really need a moon phase applet, but I use it and am glad that someone took the time to make it. Oh and BTW:
/*- 43,++o,O),((l=(o+21)/sqrt(3-O*22-O*O),l*l<4&&(fabs (((time(0)-607728)%2551443)/405859.-4.7+acos(l/2)) <1.57))[" #"])):10);}
*
* The International Obfuscated C Code Contest
* Here's an example (natori), from the Year 2000 winners [ioccc.org]
* It supposedly generates a picture of the moon in it's current phase.
*
* compile using gcc file.c -lm
*
*/
#include
#include
double l;main(_,o,O){return putchar((_--+22&&_+44&&main(_,-43,_),_&&o)?(main(
Took 5 days with my messed up firewall. 64 mb of ram and 2 ghz processor. I dont compile well
I've never been able to qualify 'arts' or minimal or usable -- it has been a wart on KDE since day one. A means to bypass or replace it with something more on the CPU-light side (tastes the same, but sucks less) would be a great feature for 3.5.
Sorry, I'm tired and screwed it up... try again:
/*- 43,++o,O),((l=(o+21)/sqrt(3-O*22-O*O),l*l<4&&(fabs (((time(0)-607728)%2551443)/405859.-4.7+acos(l/2)) <1.57))[" #"])):10);}
*
* The International Obfuscated C Code Contest
* Here's an example (natori), from the Year 2000 winners [ioccc.org]
* It supposedly generates a picture of the moon in it's current phase.
*
* compile using gcc file.c -lm
*
*/
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
double l;main(_,o,O){return putchar((_--+22&&_+44&&main(_,-43,_),_&&o)?(main(
How's that for geekiness? I can royally mess up any attempt at humor... oh well
KDE/Ubuntu
:P
It does a better job of keeping things straight.
"if you already have mozilla/firefox & thunderbird, OpenOffice, then why install redundant apps"
Or the other way, get rid of mozilla/firefox, OO, evolution, etc etc and use the KDE apps. I prefer Konqueror/Kmail, etc more. Matter of preference and comfort I guess... But you're right. I just prefer it the other way around. Although I like to keep firefox, the plugins like adblocker are awesome.
Are you kidding? It goes PERFECTLY with the "fuzzy" clock settings. Oh, sorry, according to my clock it's "evening". Time for me to go...
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lets see 1 stargazers 2 wiccen/druids 3 wherewolves 4 The BOFH (and any other OFH type) 5 some nutjobs 6 most nocturnal folks 7 anybody that does stuff near the ocean shall i go on??
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... Obligatory kliches. :D
- shazow
I'd be much more impressed with Linux if I could do either one seamlessly, and get some work done.
1-Disconnect the Mouse.
2-Disconnect the keyboard.
As for the inevitable "why?" Assume the given device has failed.
I do, I use it to regulate my distribution cycles. Also, it's handy for knowing when most of the local females will be menstruating, or for when to plant seeds, etc, etc, etc/.
some people just don't think!
> Horizontally-expanding menus completely usurp the user's desktop, and that is always a bad interface implementation.
So tell me, what is the user is going to be doing with their desktop whilst they are selecting an item from the menu?
As a user I would prefer to not be able to see my desktop, but be able to see exactly where the item I want to select is, and be able to do it as quickly as possible, rather than still be able to see my desktop, but unable to see the item I want to choose from the menu and then have to waste time scrolling through a list to find what I want.
Scrolling menus are absolutely horrible to deal with, particularly if you are unfortunate enough to want to select an item that is not among the selections available when the menu opens.
Advanced users are users too!
I think this is the error you're talking about:
An error occurred while loading about:blank:
Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher.
I've been getting it once in a while also, but not to the point of being annoying. Just restart X. I'm on a Debian testing system. The only thing I found on it seems to be on an older kde release of a year or two ago. Hopefully this latest release of kde has enough changes and bug fixes in it that the problem is gone even if there are no bug reports on the problem.
While frustrated, you might get a better response if you post a little better, there appear to be enough kde developers with slashdot accounts and mod points to spare to mod down any criticism at all as appears to be happening in other posts that have criticism in them as well. Sometimes criticism is a good thing. If there weren't any criticism there wouldn't be any fixes.
Sir, your post demonstrates a highly regrettable cultural intolerance towards werewolves.
I suggest that you educate yourself about our lupine brothers and sisters.
Back in the day when I ran KDE this happened all the time to me. All I had to do was wipe some temp files and it solved the problem for a while.
/etc/make.conf and specify -arts in my USE flags. Alsa is a wonderful system that works great.
/tmp/*" safely removes temporary files that aren't essential to your system. It fixed my problems.
Basically it's a bug in aRTs. aRTs sucks. No offenese to any developer, but aRTs was the bane of my KDE usage.
If you're using a source-based distribution you can compile Gentoo without aRTs support. As a Gentoo user, all I had to do was go in
For the record, I was using an nForce2 onboard soundcard. And yes, it is fully supported in the Linux kernel 2.6. I don't hear about people getting this problem a lot, so it could be a hardware problem.
The solution for me was to delete temporary files, as stated already. This is a good practice anyway.
"sudo rm -r
As to the original flamebait complaining about KDE development in general -- file a fucking bug report, dick.
...since most menus (quite sanely) scroll vertically.
Since when? Please define "most"...
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
I'm not sure what you're looking at, but almost every menu *I've* seen or used, is vertical scroll. I'm not a computer neophyte- I've have Apple, Linux, and Windows. I can assure you that the horizontally-expanding menus are not common. At least that's one thing where common sense has prevailed.
I don't have it in Qt, I don't have it in GTK+, I don't have it in Motif. Maybe I just don't have any menus large enough to scroll...
I have seen this in Windows, and I hated it. Of course, I'm not an newbie, so what do I know?
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
Well, more specifically, I was referring to Konqueror's Bookmarks menu. Of all menus to use that kind of implementation...it's really quite nasty. The only place I've seen it in Windows is the Start menu, though there might be others.
scrolling menus are the most horrible invention I've come across.
Try having a lot of bookmarks in your webbrowser. With horizontally expanding menus they can expand right off the screen, at which point the menu is completely unusable. Also, the position of the entries does change if the window is moved, and it may not be obvious which column an entry is in.
In Soviet America the banks rob you!
Sigh. And I lost my moderation points just yesterday.
So I've installed SuSE 9.2 on a pentium 266 with 160 MB ram and I can still use the machine up to an acceptable level.
(and it doesn't differ much from the previous windows 98 install)
The best way to accelerate a windows server is by 9.81 m/s2
why would you have that many uncategorized bookmarks?
That's like blaming the designer of a desk that your papers fall off the sides when you overload it.
But you're right, having the menu go off the screen is not good, and it becomes quite a problem to figure out the best way to deal with it.
But I'm not a believer in making the normal case hard so that the rare case is easy.
Advanced users are users too!
The UK is a US protectorate now. Tony Blair is our bitch.
"If it's real, then it gets more interesting the closer you examine it. If it's not real, just the opposite is true." -
does it run Gnome?
Ever notice that all the (major) window managers shorten their names to one letter like drugs do?
K(DE) - Ketamine
G(NOME) - GHB
E(nlightenment) - Ecstasy
Then there's X as well for Ecstasy.
Stoner Linuxer (ha!): Man this K is working so well!
Cop: Freeze! Hands in the air!
S.L.: Chill dude! I'm just bragging about my window manager.
Cop: I know! KDE sUX0rs! GNOME r0x0rs!
I'm using 0.16.7.2 (Gentoo) with a few E17 things that really make a great desktop.
For the other posters, I use VMWare AND Eclipse at the same time, plus Firefox, Thunderbird, Skype and Gaim. The difference is huge in comparation when I used KDE.
Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
Yeah complaints that have no specifics are just flamebait as they have no intention of finding a resolution. I do recall having dcop problems at one point probably with KDE 3.1 on Redhat 8 or so. Currently running 3.2.something on an out-of-the-box Mandrake 10.0 for like a year or so with no problem.
Werewolves, duh.
Why do you have 64 megs of RAM on a 2 GHz machine? Heck, I'd rather use a box with 256 megs of RAM and a 500 MHz processor. It would be faster.:)
Is this a sigs-optional kind of place? 'Cause I am totally down with that if you know what I mean.
Mmmh
I have 1 Go RAM and 3 desktops running at the same time : KDE, Gnome and XFCE. And soon a 4th session for my little daughter.
And I have no resource problem.
I did have problems though, when I had python apps (like Straw) and Java apps (like Azureus) running on my desktops. these one could eat my Go RAM + 2 Go swap in one day, making the system swap like crazy.
That's way I'm wary of trying mono apps BTW.
i love kde, execpt one thing, and that is the fact that on almost every computer ive seen it running on, the actual interface feels like its java or something of like: its very small interface lag eventually gets on my nerves. but never the less, id rather run it than say gnome for example (which is fast, but ugly and utterly un-configurable)
Won't happen in 3.5.
;).
- Would break the binary compatibility guaranteed throughout the KDE 3.x cycle that third-party apps rely on.
- Too much effort anyway
KDE 4.0 will kick arts (and ass
I'd say those people should take a look at xfce or http://www.rule-project.org/. There are projects that are optimised for low-power machines.
But that cannot be the focus of modern desktop development!
By 7.3 kumquats.
But it seemed like such a good idea at the time!