Yahoo has always been like this, it's just people didn't notice while google was the new hotness. Seriously, they seem to be doing the Right Thing, and it's about time they got some recognition.
No, that's why Redhat was for a while the only Linux you could officially run e.g. Oracle on (don't know if it still is).
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How so? It's drab brown, looks far too flat and dull, like hospital walls. Qt is far more chromey and futuristic, and looks much better for a computer.
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small, ugly fonts,
12 point helvetica, looks fine to my eyes.
horrible kicker panel background image
Huh? Default is plain grey.
bad toolbar button layout
OK, this could probably do with some work, but at the same time I can't see any immediately better way to lay out the toolbars.
with too small buttons
Personal preference, I don't like them taking up too much screen space.
that awful bouncing-ball launch notification,
What's awful about it? It makes it quite clear your computer is doing something, so you don't try and start the program again and get three copies of it.
unclear default icon theme,
Must again be personal preference, I find the icons look far far better than the horrible grey gnome counterparts.
bad window title bar button layout,
Menu on the left, frequently used actions on the right. I hope you're not advocating the horrible Apple window titlebar buttonset.
that annoying windows-style giant tooltip from the kicker.
Already happening, but in the meantime can't you just use artsdsp on those apps?
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It's the redhat FUD. Americans got taken in by the redhat "KDE sucks" marketing (which I presume was because redhat want more propriety apps on linux so people get used to paying for stuff, so they want gtk to be the dominant toolkit) and are trying to justify themselves.
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I've used KDE within the past two months (Kubuntu live CD).
The one with broken kde packages?
To me, it is a nightmare of redundant options,
They're only redundant if you don't use them, otherwise they're vital
unpredictable behaviour, and completely hideous defaults.
What're these? The defaults seem fine to me.
(Why they can be resized so small that they're useless in the first place I don't know.)
Because there are people who want to resize it that small. It's the Ritchie thing about "Do not try and prevent users doing stupid things, for you will also prevent users doing clever things".
Just tick the box so it uses the browser and not the spatial mode.
But in the first release after the switch, they wouldn't even give you that tickbox.
The browser is minimal,
Erm, no it isn't. It's just as slow and bloated as the KDE one.
KDE just has a lot more that seem useless to me (focus under mouse, focus follows mouse, focus strictly follows mouse, etc).
Personally I couldn't live without the ability to switch to focus under mouse. There are options that seem useless to me, but I'm sure they're vital to others. I'd rather have ten options I'm only going to use one of than not have the option I want.
KDE also has lots of insane UI issues, where the taskbar preferences you get from right-clicking the taskbar aren't *exactly* the same as the ones you get when picking it from the "control panel", etc.
You've got to remember that we were never invaded, never under Nazi power, and never under control of the Soviets afterwards. So did we learn anything about what it's like to live under an authoritarian government? Of course not.
I think it's precisely because the Nazis never won - and no-one like them or the communists ever gained a political foothold - that we don't have much respect for civil liberties. We don't know what it was like to live under a government like that, so we don't worry about it.
As for labour, they realised they weren't getting elected being labour, so adopted the conservatives' policies, kept the name so as to have party loyalty on their side, and got into power.
Spam is often referred to as UCE "Unsolicited Commercial Email", which his emails were not.
That's such an unusual definition I wonder if you came up with it yourself. We usually use "Unsolicited Bulk Email" - anything that lots of copies were sent of. Which I suspect applies to his messages.
The unsubstantiated bit was about how Apple would behave with Microsoft, not about OS X.
What, that apple and MS supporting HD-DVD wouldn't be any better DRM-wise than the current situation?
And is Apple using DRM unfairly? Not according to the law, but there's a case up now that may decide it. I can't see that they are, because they make neither promises nor threats to other companies. They just go their own way and ignore the rest.
I deliberately used "unfair" rather than, say, anticompetitive. iTMS certainly has a huge advantage over any other music store selling stuff for the ipod - they're the only ones who can use the Apple DRM, they won't license it at all, and if other companies try and use it they deliberately break it for them. I think the fact that there is basically no-one else selling major-label music for the ipod shows that it's an unfair advantage. They don't sell the ipod as a "client for itms", they sell it as a music player.
Apple isn't my friend? No, heaven forfend! Surely not! I thought they'd be my special bestest friend ever.
You jest, but there are too many people on this site who seem to think that way.
Of course I understand that they're a company. I just don't accept that they should be lumped in with Microsoft (convicted of illegal use of monopoly power and whose appeals failed).
You're making the mistake of treating a company like a person. They don't have a personality, they can't be depended upon to act the way they have in the past. There is no doubt in my mind that if Apple thought they could make an overall profit by doing the same thing, they would - they have to, after all.
You failed to compare Apple's DRM with Microsoft's, instead lumping them together as equal.
Any DRM is DRM. Besides, they are pretty much equal - both of them currently present no problems for the normal user other than incompatibility with each other, as far as I can see. They've both shown they support DRM, and they both haven't done anything truly obnoxious with it yet - if anything, Apple is worse, since they're using DRM to give them an unfair advantage in selling music for the ipod.
You make unsubstantiated claims about Apple's future direction.
Huh? That a lot of Apple's value is in their software you can see from their quarterly statements. OS is harder since it's directly tied to their hardware, but if you look at any discussion here, most people seem to say they bought the hardware for the OS rather than the other way around.
You made a cheap shot about companies being motivated by profit (isn't that a legal requirement under US law?)
It is, but it's far from a cheap shot. It's something very important that people seem to forget when dealing with Apple. They are not your friends. There is no point being loyal to them, because they will not be loyal to you. If the situation ever arises where they can make more money by screwing you over, it's not a question of might do it, they are legally obliged to do it. When dealing with any company, be it MS or Apple, you look at one thing - the money. Because that's all they'll be looking at.
That doesn't make it murder, they've still asked for it, heck, they're still doing it themselves. Would you say going and stealing from the store is equivalent to not only stealing but also forcing all your friends to do so? You could argue it's equivalent to euthanasia - after all, how do you know someone asking for that would have killed themselves in the end?
I noticed all the listed companies are Wintel outfits. As such will Apple cave into this too?
Of course they will. They have possibly the most to gain from widespread DRM, since much of their value is in their OS and software.
Might Apple and Microsoft team up to support HD-DVD instead?
You think that's going to be any better?
If Apple and Microsoft team up does that mean I can expect snowball fights in hell?
Doubt it. They're both companies motivated entirely and solely by maximising their profits. It's just people seem to forget that about one of them for some reason.
The BBC has been quite good to the online community, if they start taxing "innocent people" (AKA people who don't watch online content from the BBC), then they are more or less just a thief with government permission.
How would that be anything different from their current situation of taxing people who only watch television from ITV?
If I offer ten thousand for the death of , sure, the person who kills them is at fault - they're just as guilty as if they'd randomly killed them - but I am at least partly to blame too. If I leave my door unlocked, and get burgled, sure, the burglar is at fault - they're just as guilty as if they broke through ten metres of steel plating - but I am at least partly to blame too. What the others have done doesn't detract in any way from the guilt of the students - but it doesn't mean they're blameless either.
Which is why I would use Slackware, or something else which uses 2.4 kernel, for a production server. The difference being, 2.4 linux is still maintained.
Yes, not every program has it, but that's a far cry from "only vaguely available". It's your choice as a user, like everything in linux, but you can perfectly well use an environment where everything has a nice scripting interface - I know everything I use does.
Erm, that's completely false. Just try using dcop with amarok, or basically anything KDE. The scripting facility is definitely there, and you can use it with any language you like.
The whole flat-rate thing is, to my mind, the main thing. You could go to blockbuster and take out 2 or 3 movies - and you'd probably pay more than the netflix monthly fee.
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Yahoo has always been like this, it's just people didn't notice while google was the new hotness. Seriously, they seem to be doing the Right Thing, and it's about time they got some recognition.
Winelib is in theory portable - in which case they should be able to compile picasa against it for any linux system.
Do you count a cygwin release as a windows port? I know I don't. It's not a port until it's done natively.
No, that's why Redhat was for a while the only Linux you could officially run e.g. Oracle on (don't know if it still is).
How so? It's drab brown, looks far too flat and dull, like hospital walls. Qt is far more chromey and futuristic, and looks much better for a computer.
12 point helvetica, looks fine to my eyes.
horrible kicker panel background image
Huh? Default is plain grey.
bad toolbar button layout
OK, this could probably do with some work, but at the same time I can't see any immediately better way to lay out the toolbars.
with too small buttons
Personal preference, I don't like them taking up too much screen space.
that awful bouncing-ball launch notification,
What's awful about it? It makes it quite clear your computer is doing something, so you don't try and start the program again and get three copies of it.
unclear default icon theme,
Must again be personal preference, I find the icons look far far better than the horrible grey gnome counterparts.
bad window title bar button layout,
Menu on the left, frequently used actions on the right. I hope you're not advocating the horrible Apple window titlebar buttonset.
that annoying windows-style giant tooltip from the kicker.
Optional in the first run wizard.
Already happening, but in the meantime can't you just use artsdsp on those apps?
It's the redhat FUD. Americans got taken in by the redhat "KDE sucks" marketing (which I presume was because redhat want more propriety apps on linux so people get used to paying for stuff, so they want gtk to be the dominant toolkit) and are trying to justify themselves.
The one with broken kde packages?
To me, it is a nightmare of redundant options,
They're only redundant if you don't use them, otherwise they're vital
unpredictable behaviour, and completely hideous defaults.
What're these? The defaults seem fine to me.
(Why they can be resized so small that they're useless in the first place I don't know.)
Because there are people who want to resize it that small. It's the Ritchie thing about "Do not try and prevent users doing stupid things, for you will also prevent users doing clever things".
But in the first release after the switch, they wouldn't even give you that tickbox.
The browser is minimal,
Erm, no it isn't. It's just as slow and bloated as the KDE one.
KDE just has a lot more that seem useless to me (focus under mouse, focus follows mouse, focus strictly follows mouse, etc).
Personally I couldn't live without the ability to switch to focus under mouse. There are options that seem useless to me, but I'm sure they're vital to others. I'd rather have ten options I'm only going to use one of than not have the option I want.
KDE also has lots of insane UI issues, where the taskbar preferences you get from right-clicking the taskbar aren't *exactly* the same as the ones you get when picking it from the "control panel", etc.
I've never experienced anything like this.
You've got to remember that we were never invaded, never under Nazi power, and never under control of the Soviets afterwards. So did we learn anything about what it's like to live under an authoritarian government? Of course not.
As for labour, they realised they weren't getting elected being labour, so adopted the conservatives' policies, kept the name so as to have party loyalty on their side, and got into power.
That's such an unusual definition I wonder if you came up with it yourself. We usually use "Unsolicited Bulk Email" - anything that lots of copies were sent of. Which I suspect applies to his messages.
What, that apple and MS supporting HD-DVD wouldn't be any better DRM-wise than the current situation?
And is Apple using DRM unfairly? Not according to the law, but there's a case up now that may decide it. I can't see that they are, because they make neither promises nor threats to other companies. They just go their own way and ignore the rest.
I deliberately used "unfair" rather than, say, anticompetitive. iTMS certainly has a huge advantage over any other music store selling stuff for the ipod - they're the only ones who can use the Apple DRM, they won't license it at all, and if other companies try and use it they deliberately break it for them. I think the fact that there is basically no-one else selling major-label music for the ipod shows that it's an unfair advantage. They don't sell the ipod as a "client for itms", they sell it as a music player.
Apple isn't my friend? No, heaven forfend! Surely not! I thought they'd be my special bestest friend ever.
You jest, but there are too many people on this site who seem to think that way.
Of course I understand that they're a company. I just don't accept that they should be lumped in with Microsoft (convicted of illegal use of monopoly power and whose appeals failed).
You're making the mistake of treating a company like a person. They don't have a personality, they can't be depended upon to act the way they have in the past. There is no doubt in my mind that if Apple thought they could make an overall profit by doing the same thing, they would - they have to, after all.
Any DRM is DRM. Besides, they are pretty much equal - both of them currently present no problems for the normal user other than incompatibility with each other, as far as I can see. They've both shown they support DRM, and they both haven't done anything truly obnoxious with it yet - if anything, Apple is worse, since they're using DRM to give them an unfair advantage in selling music for the ipod.
You make unsubstantiated claims about Apple's future direction.
Huh? That a lot of Apple's value is in their software you can see from their quarterly statements. OS is harder since it's directly tied to their hardware, but if you look at any discussion here, most people seem to say they bought the hardware for the OS rather than the other way around.
You made a cheap shot about companies being motivated by profit (isn't that a legal requirement under US law?)
It is, but it's far from a cheap shot. It's something very important that people seem to forget when dealing with Apple. They are not your friends. There is no point being loyal to them, because they will not be loyal to you. If the situation ever arises where they can make more money by screwing you over, it's not a question of might do it, they are legally obliged to do it. When dealing with any company, be it MS or Apple, you look at one thing - the money. Because that's all they'll be looking at.
That doesn't make it murder, they've still asked for it, heck, they're still doing it themselves. Would you say going and stealing from the store is equivalent to not only stealing but also forcing all your friends to do so? You could argue it's equivalent to euthanasia - after all, how do you know someone asking for that would have killed themselves in the end?
I noticed all the listed companies are Wintel outfits. As such will Apple cave into this too?
Of course they will. They have possibly the most to gain from widespread DRM, since much of their value is in their OS and software.
Might Apple and Microsoft team up to support HD-DVD instead?
You think that's going to be any better?
If Apple and Microsoft team up does that mean I can expect snowball fights in hell?
Doubt it. They're both companies motivated entirely and solely by maximising their profits. It's just people seem to forget that about one of them for some reason.
How would that be anything different from their current situation of taxing people who only watch television from ITV?
If I offer ten thousand for the death of , sure, the person who kills them is at fault - they're just as guilty as if they'd randomly killed them - but I am at least partly to blame too.
If I leave my door unlocked, and get burgled, sure, the burglar is at fault - they're just as guilty as if they broke through ten metres of steel plating - but I am at least partly to blame too.
What the others have done doesn't detract in any way from the guilt of the students - but it doesn't mean they're blameless either.
I like to live dangerously. My webserver ran 2.2, but currently has a dead disk.
Which is why I would use Slackware, or something else which uses 2.4 kernel, for a production server. The difference being, 2.4 linux is still maintained.
I'd do the same if I was cleaning malware off someone's computer. Norton deliberately makes itself hard to uninstall, that qualifies it in my book.
Yes, not every program has it, but that's a far cry from "only vaguely available". It's your choice as a user, like everything in linux, but you can perfectly well use an environment where everything has a nice scripting interface - I know everything I use does.
Erm, that's completely false. Just try using dcop with amarok, or basically anything KDE. The scripting facility is definitely there, and you can use it with any language you like.
The whole flat-rate thing is, to my mind, the main thing. You could go to blockbuster and take out 2 or 3 movies - and you'd probably pay more than the netflix monthly fee.