I don't think luck (bad or otherwise) was involved in the Google hacking. It was more along the lines of industrial espionage.
Looking out for road hazards is one thing, avoiding the psycho with the rocket launcher looking for you requires a whole 'nother level of protection. (There's my car analogy for the day.)
Industrial espionage is much harder to defeat, when it can escalate up to the use of mercenaries and machine guns. Happened in Wichita, KS a couple of years ago, at NCR research center.
If you REALLY want users to read the error messages, go ahead and attach a photo for each KIND of error, then overlay the photo with specific text. Just make the images some kind of PORN, with "CALL ME @ "error number. They will most assuredly remember the photo, and how to duplicate the error that brought it up, too!
Because older people usually have the money and connections to get what they want, and younger people usually don't. Don't confuse a "right" with a "capability". Rights and laws are normally defined by agreement and social convention, but are "granted" by the threat of violent force. Children have limited capability or experience with violence and will alway be at a disadvantage against an older adult.
You make some very good points for the Mac. I've been thinking about getting Macs for my teenagers when it's time to upgrade their machines for college. They'll need Audio and Video editing, which are considered the Mac's forte, and Linux just isn't strong there yet. Using the proper tools for the job is just smart allocation of effort.
Actually, I ran Windows up to XP, then migrated to Linux a couple years ago. So I do know my way around Windows. I could only find the one Windows license, so when their machines had to be upgraded/reloaded and we couldn't find the OEM disks anymore, it was Linux (free), or buy more licenses for them. Economics is pretty easy when you present it right. "No movie rentals for 6 months to pay for your disk." My kids are fiscally responsible. : ) LOL
I know I'm going to regret feeding this troll, but...
You sound more like a *nix zealot than I do. Zealots usually aren't too balanced. : P
Games more sophisticated than solitaire don't usually wind up on my machine. Linux is fine for me. I've played around with vm to learn more about it, and to run other alternative OS's (Haiku, Symphony, Minuet, etc..)
But, kids like games. (Hmmm... you said you like games, too. Hmmmm...) Even though they usually use the PS2 or Wii, they like a few Windows games. So a Windows vm is a feature for them.
As far as getting bent over for running their software, we've had this license for almost 5 years now, and I really don't plan on jumping to Win 7 just because they don't sell it anymore. I control when/where/what I purchase. Not them.
Are you "getting bent over", too? You implied that you have that gaming bug that keeps Linux off your desktop. So I guess you dance to their tune, and buy the OS your *game* requires? Yes? Install their patches? Never run a warez, "just to try it out"?
Do you harass the Mac faithful for running Windows in a vm? Or are you afraid of their pitchforks? : ) Trolls are so stupid...
You left out the version control system, access controls, expandability, and design for collaboration. It already embeds documents in the Waves, including video and audio (lab recordings). The only problem is getting decent documentation on setting up your own server. It's still so new, and under heavy development, that the documentation is lagging. Big Time.
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Sorry I'm late to the party. One of us should have been in the first 3 posts.
Users DO have an option. My wife and teenagers use Linux at home all the time (only my wife is semi-"tech savvy"). Admittedly, they do have a resident "expert" to provide support and lessons, and fix the hard stuff (drivers, etc..). But they love not being bothered by malware, not needing anti-virus software, and the systems just work. In fact, my wifes' wifi card works fine under Ubuntu, but we couldn't get the drivers to work under XP. I'm setting them up with virtual machines soon, to run optimized images of XP for their games, and whatever else they want, in a secure sandbox.
Yes, not all printers, video cards, or wifi cards are supported by all flavors. But apparently, that's the case with Windows, too. We just purchased a NAT, wifi router, and network color laser printer that all work fine with Win and Linux (the router and NAT came loaded with embedded Linux from the manufacturers). No special research involved. "Computer" doesn't have to mean "owned by Microsoft", and you don't have to worry about "drive-by" malware, or getting hijacked by cracked warez (sure, I believe your kids downloaded Visual Studio).
You don't have to get bent over by your OS distributor. But you will as long as you let them.
As I'm sure others have stated: It depends on where you are. I've personally been canned because the supervisor wanted to give his Navy buddy a job. Mine.
Another time I was given the slow screw (1 1/2 years) because I saw my supervisor sexually harass one of the other technicians in the shop. Even making it obvious in department meetings didn't save me. He did an end-run around the shop supervisor and involved corporate hr (in another state) to fire me.
This has given me a rather bitter outlook on employer/employee relations. I'll try to do well for my employer, but the instant he indicates that he's going to screw me over...
Nope, I've seen it. Happened to my cousin on an assault case. He pushed a drunken bitch off of him at the bar, she fell and hurt her ass while some ambulance chaser was watching. DA got a package of defendants convicted and let the chasers' drug dealer off.
The way things are going, you won't see a penguin on the box. You'll see the Ubuntu Logo. That could happen pretty soon, too.
Think about it. Microsoft has a vested monetary interest in maintaining and sustaining a stable element of the PC ecosystem (the OS) for everyone else to work with. Same for Apple. The only thing missing from Linux for the same thing to happen is an economic entity to take the lead and provide the single point of stability. Canonical will have to usurp leadership of consumer Linux from the kernel devs and Linus. Period. That is the only way you'll see Linux offered in retail settings: Have an economic entity in charge of it. They can't speak for all of Linux (no one can, not even Linus), but they can speak for their distro, Ubuntu, and enter into licensing and contract agreements with manufacturers and software houses.
They would go from marginal profits to massive if they charged nominal fees for compatibility testing and logo usage. I know that they aren't in it for the money, but they do need it to continue and expand operations. They just wouldn't make a million dollars on each deal (1 per year), they would make 100 dollars on each deal (10,000 a year). A lot more work, yes. But when the price to enter the game so low, and opening up so many markets so easy, they wouldn't have to worry about getting any people to sign up for their certification program.
And that's when it'll be "The year of the Linux desktop", and not before.
If I were a lawyer my nipples would explode with joy.
If you were a lawyer, I wouldn't want the explosions to stop at your nipples.
I thought of going to law school, but didn't know how I would be able to look my parents in the eyes. Instead I chose the honourable path, and learned death-dealing and drug pushing.
Well, that would depend upon what role this OS is going to play. Server? He did mention he liked OpenSolaris enterprise tools. Desktop? The Ports Collection opens up a lot of compatible linux software. Do you need a semi-truck or a motorcycle? But you also left out Syllable, a linux/BeOS hybrid, in server and desktop edition, FreeDOS for those nostalgic moments, or MenuetOS for when you really want to get your freak on.
"Self-diagnosed"? Do you also "self-diagnose" yourself to have glaucoma? You know, to excuse having a bag of good hydro on you?
I do agree, that Asperger's Syndrome is the excuse of the week, but not everyone with the diagnosis is full of shit. I was diagnosed in college, because I was having trouble adapting. It was that, or post-dramatic stress disorder. I'd rather it had been pdsd, there are therapies to help get over that, and I wouldn't have given my son full-blown, genetic autism. It caused me a boatload of problems growing up, and I have to pay close attention to my behaviour around others so I'm not inadvertently being a jerk to them. Going to the supermarket and dealing with the crowd is an exercise in self-control that can make me break out in a sweat.
All that said, it never caused me to break into computer systems or commit felonies. For many it's just a weak excuse to try and evade responsibility for their actions.
I don't know if it's possible to make netbooks so cheap you can throw them away, which is what this plan equates to. If you can get the price down to about that of a pad of paper, then sure, it's easily doable. It would have to be along the lines of an E-ink display, inkjet printed circuit board, and a thumbdrive-sized battery with an internal system chip (with flash, IC, wifi) fastened in with conductive glue. It's a theory. Then, even though it's low-power and low-capable, it's extremely low price, and can start to compete against fliers, magazine inserts, logo embossed mugs, and other forms of advertising.
Who said anything about "the youth"? My standard of living isn't nearly as good as it used to be even 15 years ago! If all I have to look forward to is a life of increasing poverty, then all I have to look forward to is a slow death. FUCK. THAT. If I'm going to die, it'll be for what my family has fought for, for centuries: family and freedom. Before you say, "But we have it so much better than many others!", remember this: We don't have it nearly as good as we used to. Get a people used to eating rotten food, and they'll thank you for poorly prepared hamburger. That's what's happened all over the world. It's time to water the tree again...
As an ex-smoker my computer requires cleaning a little less often now. When my room mate and I both smoked (pack a day, each), it didn't take long for that yellowish tinge to appear. We did cover our machines with towels when not in use, as make shift dust covers. It helped, but not a lot. What helped the most was using an ionizing air cleaner in our living room. It would suck the smoke and dust out of the air so quickly you could directly observe it! We put that poor box through hell. Had to change the 90-day HEPA filter every month. When I got with my wife and step-son I stopped smoking inside, and eventually stopped smoking all together. The difference in my lifestyle and health were major improvements, the improved environment for my equipment was a minor thing.
I've worked on high-end industrial test equipment for years, and a smoking environment just meant the box smelled bad when you blew the dust out, and you would have to use extra cleaner on the case. We used PPE at all times as a matter of course, so voiding the warranty because it was in a smoking environment is purest bull shit. Apple is/has become/always was an arrogant company with regard to customer service, and deserve to have their ass handed to them in the court of Public Relations. Microsoft has a rep as incompetent, thieving liars, and Apple is developing into an arrogant, tyrannical, authoritarian. I'll stick with my Linux systems and hang out with the doobie-smoking hippies, thanks.
Come 2012 the world (as we know it) will end... Because we'll be so fed up with governmental BS we rise up and kill the bastards, leading to a golden age of ?anarchy? WTF? My brain just reset, damnit.
I'm the only admin in our small shop, and when we needed an Oracle DB set up on an *old* machine for the devs, we tried to set up CentOS first, but the min hardware requirements for running both were too much for the box. Did I mention it was *old*? Ubuntu server slid right on there, and I found a walkthrough to make it look enough like Redhad for Oracle to run.
Please note: I don't have real admin training, I'm just the closest our shop has, and yes, the cheap SOB I work for should have sprung for something built in this millenia, at least.
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I don't think luck (bad or otherwise) was involved in the Google hacking. It was more along the lines of industrial espionage.
Looking out for road hazards is one thing, avoiding the psycho with the rocket launcher looking for you requires a whole 'nother level of protection. (There's my car analogy for the day.)
Industrial espionage is much harder to defeat, when it can escalate up to the use of mercenaries and machine guns. Happened in Wichita, KS a couple of years ago, at NCR research center.
If you REALLY want users to read the error messages, go ahead and attach a photo for each KIND of error, then overlay the photo with specific text. Just make the images some kind of PORN, with "CALL ME @ "error number. They will most assuredly remember the photo, and how to duplicate the error that brought it up, too!
Because older people usually have the money and connections to get what they want, and younger people usually don't. Don't confuse a "right" with a "capability". Rights and laws are normally defined by agreement and social convention, but are "granted" by the threat of violent force. Children have limited capability or experience with violence and will alway be at a disadvantage against an older adult.
You make some very good points for the Mac. I've been thinking about getting Macs for my teenagers when it's time to upgrade their machines for college. They'll need Audio and Video editing, which are considered the Mac's forte, and Linux just isn't strong there yet. Using the proper tools for the job is just smart allocation of effort.
Actually, I ran Windows up to XP, then migrated to Linux a couple years ago. So I do know my way around Windows.
I could only find the one Windows license, so when their machines had to be upgraded/reloaded and we couldn't find the OEM disks anymore, it was Linux (free), or buy more licenses for them. Economics is pretty easy when you present it right. "No movie rentals for 6 months to pay for your disk." My kids are fiscally responsible. : ) LOL
I know I'm going to regret feeding this troll, but...
You sound more like a *nix zealot than I do. Zealots usually aren't too balanced. : P
Games more sophisticated than solitaire don't usually wind up on my machine. Linux is fine for me. I've played around with vm to learn more about it, and to run other alternative OS's (Haiku, Symphony, Minuet, etc..)
But, kids like games. (Hmmm... you said you like games, too. Hmmmm...) Even though they usually use the PS2 or Wii, they like a few Windows games. So a Windows vm is a feature for them.
As far as getting bent over for running their software, we've had this license for almost 5 years now, and I really don't plan on jumping to Win 7 just because they don't sell it anymore. I control when/where/what I purchase. Not them.
Are you "getting bent over", too? You implied that you have that gaming bug that keeps Linux off your desktop. So I guess you dance to their tune, and buy the OS your *game* requires? Yes? Install their patches? Never run a warez, "just to try it out"?
Do you harass the Mac faithful for running Windows in a vm? Or are you afraid of their pitchforks? : ) Trolls are so stupid...
You left out the version control system, access controls, expandability, and design for collaboration. It already embeds documents in the Waves, including video and audio (lab recordings). The only problem is getting decent documentation on setting up your own server. It's still so new, and under heavy development, that the documentation is lagging. Big Time.
***Warning: Linux Advocate*** ***Warning: Linux Advocate***
Sorry I'm late to the party. One of us should have been in the first 3 posts.
Users DO have an option. My wife and teenagers use Linux at home all the time (only my wife is semi-"tech savvy"). Admittedly, they do have a resident "expert" to provide support and lessons, and fix the hard stuff (drivers, etc..). But they love not being bothered by malware, not needing anti-virus software, and the systems just work. In fact, my wifes' wifi card works fine under Ubuntu, but we couldn't get the drivers to work under XP. I'm setting them up with virtual machines soon, to run optimized images of XP for their games, and whatever else they want, in a secure sandbox.
Yes, not all printers, video cards, or wifi cards are supported by all flavors. But apparently, that's the case with Windows, too. We just purchased a NAT, wifi router, and network color laser printer that all work fine with Win and Linux (the router and NAT came loaded with embedded Linux from the manufacturers). No special research involved. "Computer" doesn't have to mean "owned by Microsoft", and you don't have to worry about "drive-by" malware, or getting hijacked by cracked warez (sure, I believe your kids downloaded Visual Studio).
You don't have to get bent over by your OS distributor. But you will as long as you let them.
As I'm sure others have stated: It depends on where you are. I've personally been canned because the supervisor wanted to give his Navy buddy a job. Mine.
Another time I was given the slow screw (1 1/2 years) because I saw my supervisor sexually harass one of the other technicians in the shop. Even making it obvious in department meetings didn't save me. He did an end-run around the shop supervisor and involved corporate hr (in another state) to fire me.
This has given me a rather bitter outlook on employer/employee relations. I'll try to do well for my employer, but the instant he indicates that he's going to screw me over...
Nope, I've seen it. Happened to my cousin on an assault case. He pushed a drunken bitch off of him at the bar, she fell and hurt her ass while some ambulance chaser was watching. DA got a package of defendants convicted and let the chasers' drug dealer off.
The way things are going, you won't see a penguin on the box. You'll see the Ubuntu Logo. That could happen pretty soon, too.
Think about it. Microsoft has a vested monetary interest in maintaining and sustaining a stable element of the PC ecosystem (the OS) for everyone else to work with. Same for Apple. The only thing missing from Linux for the same thing to happen is an economic entity to take the lead and provide the single point of stability. Canonical will have to usurp leadership of consumer Linux from the kernel devs and Linus. Period. That is the only way you'll see Linux offered in retail settings: Have an economic entity in charge of it. They can't speak for all of Linux (no one can, not even Linus), but they can speak for their distro, Ubuntu, and enter into licensing and contract agreements with manufacturers and software houses.
They would go from marginal profits to massive if they charged nominal fees for compatibility testing and logo usage. I know that they aren't in it for the money, but they do need it to continue and expand operations. They just wouldn't make a million dollars on each deal (1 per year), they would make 100 dollars on each deal (10,000 a year). A lot more work, yes. But when the price to enter the game so low, and opening up so many markets so easy, they wouldn't have to worry about getting any people to sign up for their certification program.
And that's when it'll be "The year of the Linux desktop", and not before.
If I were a lawyer my nipples would explode with joy.
If you were a lawyer, I wouldn't want the explosions to stop at your nipples.
I thought of going to law school, but didn't know how I would be able to look my parents in the eyes. Instead I chose the honourable path, and learned death-dealing and drug pushing.
Thank you for clarifying that for me. I haven't used it myself, just reading the index page and, naturally, drew some incorrect conclusions.
My degree is in electronics. :) By the way, what IS Greco-Roman wrestling?
Well, that would depend upon what role this OS is going to play. Server? He did mention he liked OpenSolaris enterprise tools. Desktop? The Ports Collection opens up a lot of compatible linux software. Do you need a semi-truck or a motorcycle? But you also left out Syllable, a linux/BeOS hybrid, in server and desktop edition, FreeDOS for those nostalgic moments, or MenuetOS for when you really want to get your freak on.
What's wrong with Greco-Roman wrestling?
"Self-diagnosed"? Do you also "self-diagnose" yourself to have glaucoma? You know, to excuse having a bag of good hydro on you?
I do agree, that Asperger's Syndrome is the excuse of the week, but not everyone with the diagnosis is full of shit. I was diagnosed in college, because I was having trouble adapting. It was that, or post-dramatic stress disorder. I'd rather it had been pdsd, there are therapies to help get over that, and I wouldn't have given my son full-blown, genetic autism. It caused me a boatload of problems growing up, and I have to pay close attention to my behaviour around others so I'm not inadvertently being a jerk to them. Going to the supermarket and dealing with the crowd is an exercise in self-control that can make me break out in a sweat.
All that said, it never caused me to break into computer systems or commit felonies. For many it's just a weak excuse to try and evade responsibility for their actions.
I don't know if it's possible to make netbooks so cheap you can throw them away, which is what this plan equates to. If you can get the price down to about that of a pad of paper, then sure, it's easily doable. It would have to be along the lines of an E-ink display, inkjet printed circuit board, and a thumbdrive-sized battery with an internal system chip (with flash, IC, wifi) fastened in with conductive glue. It's a theory. Then, even though it's low-power and low-capable, it's extremely low price, and can start to compete against fliers, magazine inserts, logo embossed mugs, and other forms of advertising.
Who said anything about "the youth"? My standard of living isn't nearly as good as it used to be even 15 years ago! If all I have to look forward to is a life of increasing poverty, then all I have to look forward to is a slow death. FUCK. THAT. If I'm going to die, it'll be for what my family has fought for, for centuries: family and freedom. Before you say, "But we have it so much better than many others!", remember this: We don't have it nearly as good as we used to. Get a people used to eating rotten food, and they'll thank you for poorly prepared hamburger. That's what's happened all over the world. It's time to water the tree again...
Hope you don't smoke, or you just voided your warranty and Apple doesn't have to fix it. : )
Looks like Apple has been taking notes from MS on fucking the customers.
As an ex-smoker my computer requires cleaning a little less often now. When my room mate and I both smoked (pack a day, each), it didn't take long for that yellowish tinge to appear. We did cover our machines with towels when not in use, as make shift dust covers. It helped, but not a lot. What helped the most was using an ionizing air cleaner in our living room. It would suck the smoke and dust out of the air so quickly you could directly observe it! We put that poor box through hell. Had to change the 90-day HEPA filter every month. When I got with my wife and step-son I stopped smoking inside, and eventually stopped smoking all together. The difference in my lifestyle and health were major improvements, the improved environment for my equipment was a minor thing.
I've worked on high-end industrial test equipment for years, and a smoking environment just meant the box smelled bad when you blew the dust out, and you would have to use extra cleaner on the case. We used PPE at all times as a matter of course, so voiding the warranty because it was in a smoking environment is purest bull shit. Apple is/has become/always was an arrogant company with regard to customer service, and deserve to have their ass handed to them in the court of Public Relations. Microsoft has a rep as incompetent, thieving liars, and Apple is developing into an arrogant, tyrannical, authoritarian. I'll stick with my Linux systems and hang out with the doobie-smoking hippies, thanks.
Come 2012 the world (as we know it) will end... Because we'll be so fed up with governmental BS we rise up and kill the bastards, leading to a golden age of ?anarchy? WTF? My brain just reset, damnit.
Excuse me, but, um... We are going down. Haven't seen any financial news lately? Like for the last decade?
Try tartar sauce this time. It makes a difference!
I'm the only admin in our small shop, and when we needed an Oracle DB set up on an *old* machine for the devs, we tried to set up CentOS first, but the min hardware requirements for running both were too much for the box. Did I mention it was *old*? Ubuntu server slid right on there, and I found a walkthrough to make it look enough like Redhad for Oracle to run.
Please note: I don't have real admin training, I'm just the closest our shop has, and yes, the cheap SOB I work for should have sprung for something built in this millenia, at least.