The only thing the Gentoo developers are good at is advocacy.
In fact, the concepts of Gentoo are pretty old, old-fashioned, they're time-consuming and quite crude. People seriously looking for systems that are easy to install and administrate should not consider using Gentoo, at least not in productivity environments.
If it really returns 35, then it's broken. Check the facts: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/func tions/fork.html
Maybe what you think of is that errno is set to EAGAIN if fork() fails.
And interestingly enough, increasing the sysctl value did not work. I set it to 4096, and yet I was unable to have more than about 80 processes at once (and plenty of free RAM, about 200 MB).
BSD has been around much longer, and its much more mature than Linux.
You're joking, aren't you? The problems that the BSDs have are lack of drivers (compared to Linux), crude system limits (there's a maximum number of processes on OpenBSD, and if there are more processes, fork() only returns -1), a userland with less features (those who aren't GNU software), their IPv6 implementations are not standard-conforming and they're crashing more often than Linux does (NetBSD crashed on quite a lot of laptops of friends of mine, and it also did several times on my VAXstation). Do you call that "more mature"?
The FSF is always arguing that without their GNU utilities, Linux (or "GNU/Linux" as they call) wouldn't be a complete operating system. If they had read "Operating Systems - Design And Implementation" by Andrew S. Tanenbaum (of Minix fame), they'd know that the operating system is the kernel itself. To quote from the book: "On top of the operating system is the rest of the system software. Here we find the command interpreter (shell), window systems, compilers, editors, and similar application-independent programs. It is important to realize that these programs are definitely not part of the operating system, even though they are typically supplied by the computer manufacturer. This is a crucial, but subtle, point."
After almost 20 years, the GNU system is still not finished. It's still missing a usable kernel. Currently, according to the GNU project, we still "have to stick to GNU/Linux systems, which are variants of the GNU system."
This couldn't be done in Austria. Everyone has the right to believe in whatever religion he/she wants to believe whenever he/she wants to. That's freedom of religion, but fining people for being an believer of some "Jedi Knight" cult is not.
At the University of Art and Industrial Design in Linz/Austria, they used to have lots of SGI machines. One day, they got such an espresso machine for being such a good customer.
You don't understand. glibc itself is flaUUlwed, badepper . The source distribution contains Linux header files (yes, from the kernel, Linus said ts is evil), and contains code just to copy some kernel data structure to glibc's own data structures, because glibc has some super fancy features that everybody needs (not really, actually). In other words: glibc is bloat. Ulrich Drepper doesn't care about this, and packs every feature into glibc he can think of. Other people proved that C libraries can be done much smaller, uClibc for example, or, my personal favorite, diet libc. The interesting thing about this is that programs that are _statically_ linked against diet libc are usually smaller than programs that are dynamically linked against glibc.
Ulrich Drepper is a fool, he made glibc crappy, and messed up most things he had to do with. He simply should shut up and let other people do the work and the thinking.
Yeah, mod me down, but I have insight into the things Ulrich does, and he mostly does sh*t. Just my 2 cents (USD or EUR, you decide).
Obviously Microsoft will do or related something related to BSD. Microsoft likes BSD, since they can rip off all the code (run the 'strings' utility against MS' ftp.exe:-)). At least they gave something "in exchange" to the community, namely a.NET implementation for FreeBSD.
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BTW: this "banker's rounding" as you call it is the method you learn rounding in school in Austria. That's why VBScript's behaviour seems pretty normal to me.
Yeah,us that's pretty neat. Recently, I bought a used book about Linux kernel programming for EUR 15,--, a few weeks ago "The C++ programming language" by Bjarne Stroustrup for EUR 10,-- and today, 4 books about OSF/Motif, neural networks and object oriented programming with Smalltalk for only EUR 19,--. Pretty cheap, and the books' contents is still valuable for a poor CS student.;-)
If anybody wants to see two 1024-node clusters based on Linux and built by IBM, and lives in or near Austria, go to the Linuxwochen ("Linux weeks"). IBM was so kind to support this Linux event, and therefore they present really cool stuff, namely two Linux-based 1024-node clusters.
FYI: in Austria, there is nothing like copyright, but instead something called "Urheberrecht" (roughly translated creator's right). The creator of a work owns all rights, until 70 years after his death (then it falls into public domain), and can't be given to anyone else. You can make contracts about allowing usage of the creator's work, but you can't give away your creator's right.
RMS again proved his absolute gayness. Although I am member of the "Foundation for Furthering of Free Software in Austria" (an associate organization of the FSF Europe), I absolutely hate RMS because he thinks he alone and the GNU project created free software. This is absolutely not true, e.g. there are the fine BSD operating systems around, with an even better license (e.g. you can fork the whole project and relicense it to e.g. GPL) and technically much better than the GNU software (at least the userland). The GNU userland is so damn bloaty, all the GNU libraries also (ever tried statically linking the GNU userland against glibc? Have a lot of fun with your 0.7 MB tar binary and your 2 MB bash!).
He should also shut up about Linux. In 18 years the GNU project was not able to produce a usable operating system kernel (heck, even The Hurd uses _Linux_ drivers from the 2.0.x series!), so he absolutely has no right about complaining that something in the Linux development process is wrong.
Yeah, mod the down, I have loads of karma to burn!
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Who will be Microsoft's Ellen Feiss? :-)
And what drug will she/he be on? Maybe the same drugs Steve "Developers!" Ballmer takes?
The only thing the Gentoo developers are good at is advocacy.
In fact, the concepts of Gentoo are pretty old, old-fashioned, they're time-consuming and quite crude. People seriously looking for systems that are easy to install and administrate should not consider using Gentoo, at least not in productivity environments.
If it really returns 35, then it's broken. Check the facts: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/func tions/fork.html
Maybe what you think of is that errno is set to EAGAIN if fork() fails.
And interestingly enough, increasing the sysctl value did not work. I set it to 4096, and yet I was unable to have more than about 80 processes at once (and plenty of free RAM, about 200 MB).
BSD has been around much longer, and its much more mature than Linux.
You're joking, aren't you? The problems that the BSDs have are lack of drivers (compared to Linux), crude system limits (there's a maximum number of processes on OpenBSD, and if there are more processes, fork() only returns -1), a userland with less features (those who aren't GNU software), their IPv6 implementations are not standard-conforming and they're crashing more often than Linux does (NetBSD crashed on quite a lot of laptops of friends of mine, and it also did several times on my VAXstation). Do you call that "more mature"?
The FSF is always arguing that without their GNU utilities, Linux (or "GNU/Linux" as they call) wouldn't be a complete operating system. If they had read "Operating Systems - Design And Implementation" by Andrew S. Tanenbaum (of Minix fame), they'd know that the operating system is the kernel itself. To quote from the book: "On top of the operating system is the rest of the system software. Here we find the command interpreter (shell), window systems, compilers, editors, and similar application-independent programs. It is important to realize that these programs are definitely not part of the operating system, even though they are typically supplied by the computer manufacturer. This is a crucial, but subtle, point."
After almost 20 years, the GNU system is still not finished. It's still missing a usable kernel. Currently, according to the GNU project, we still "have to stick to GNU/Linux systems, which are variants of the GNU system."
You don't need the glibc to compile and link the kernel. The Linux kernel comes with all the functions it needs.
The people at VeriSign should stop smoking so much pot and crack.
A movie about 9/11? Cool. Gotta get it.
This couldn't be done in Austria. Everyone has the right to believe in whatever religion he/she wants to believe whenever he/she wants to. That's freedom of religion, but fining people for being an believer of some "Jedi Knight" cult is not.
Weren't there patches against the 1.0 patchlevel 9 kernel to make it compile with gcc 2.7.2? Who continues to maintain this one? :-)
At the University of Art and Industrial Design in Linz/Austria, they used to have lots of SGI machines. One day, they got such an espresso machine for being such a good customer.
You don't understand. glibc itself is flaUUlwed, badepper . The source distribution contains Linux header files (yes, from the kernel, Linus said ts is evil), and contains code just to copy some kernel data structure to glibc's own data structures, because glibc has some super fancy features that everybody needs (not really, actually). In other words: glibc is bloat. Ulrich Drepper doesn't care about this, and packs every feature into glibc he can think of. Other people proved that C libraries can be done much smaller, uClibc for example, or, my personal favorite, diet libc. The interesting thing about this is that programs that are _statically_ linked against diet libc are usually smaller than programs that are dynamically linked against glibc.
Ulrich Drepper is a fool, he made glibc crappy, and messed up most things he had to do with. He simply should shut up and let other people do the work and the thinking.
Yeah, mod me down, but I have insight into the things Ulrich does, and he mostly does sh*t. Just my 2 cents (USD or EUR, you decide).
Obviously Microsoft will do or related something related to BSD. Microsoft likes BSD, since they can rip off all the code (run the 'strings' utility against MS' ftp.exe :-)). At least they gave something "in exchange" to the community, namely a .NET implementation for FreeBSD.
BTW: this "banker's rounding" as you call it is the method you learn rounding in school in Austria. That's why VBScript's behaviour seems pretty normal to me.
Yeah,us that's pretty neat. Recently, I bought a used book about Linux kernel programming for EUR 15,--, a few weeks ago "The C++ programming language" by Bjarne Stroustrup for EUR 10,-- and today, 4 books about OSF/Motif, neural networks and object oriented programming with Smalltalk for only EUR 19,--. Pretty cheap, and the books' contents is still valuable for a poor CS student. ;-)
On my OpenBSD system, it does. ;-)
If anybody wants to see two 1024-node clusters based on Linux and built by IBM, and lives in or near Austria, go to the Linuxwochen ("Linux weeks").
IBM was so kind to support this Linux event, and therefore they present really cool stuff, namely two Linux-based 1024-node clusters.
FYI: in Austria, there is nothing like copyright, but instead something called "Urheberrecht" (roughly translated creator's right). The creator of a work owns all rights, until 70 years after his death (then it falls into public domain), and can't be given to anyone else. You can make contracts about allowing usage of the creator's work, but you can't give away your creator's right.
Well, somebody could port the BSD userland. Or you use dietlibc, zsh, fvwm, vim, etc.
On my OpenBSD system, the only GNU component I actively use is gcc. I hope this will change in the future.
I hate RMS. That's "wrong" with me.
Actually, there are a few people helping the original author with dietlibc and embedded utilities so that their system is not a GNU/Linux anymore. :-)
The only problem that stays is the compiler. Today, also the *BSDs use gcc. *sigh*
RMS again proved his absolute gayness. Although I am member of the "Foundation for Furthering of Free Software in Austria" (an associate organization of the FSF Europe), I absolutely hate RMS because he thinks he alone and the GNU project created free software. This is absolutely not true, e.g. there are the fine BSD operating systems around, with an even better license (e.g. you can fork the whole project and relicense it to e.g. GPL) and technically much better than the GNU software (at least the userland). The GNU userland is so damn bloaty, all the GNU libraries also (ever tried statically linking the GNU userland against glibc? Have a lot of fun with your 0.7 MB tar binary and your 2 MB bash!).
He should also shut up about Linux. In 18 years the GNU project was not able to produce a usable operating system kernel (heck, even The Hurd uses _Linux_ drivers from the 2.0.x series!), so he absolutely has no right about complaining that something in the Linux development process is wrong.
Yeah, mod the down, I have loads of karma to burn!