Would you be happier if, say, Amazon and Apple also launched similar initiatives to make available orphaned works (contingent of course on a similar deal)? Is there anything about this settlement that makes it harder, rather than easier, for other companies to do the same thing?
Of course not. The question is not about corporate access to orphan works, its about the fact that no one practically owns them so why should google, or any one else, get access that the regular joe doesn't.
Your entire objection is rooted in a view of corporate-controlled culture that is fundamentally in opposition to the basic premise of copyright law.
Disclaimer then: some of my family are cops, and some are soldiers. Perhaps things are just different from this perspective.
It's the bad apple effect.
Risk = Severity x Probability. The amount of damage a bad cop can do to an innocent civilian's life is enormous, so it only takes a few bad apples on the force to make the risk of naively cooperating with a random cop too high. It's different if you have a personal relationship with the specific officer because, chances are, you know if he's a douche or not. But when all you know about the guy is that he has a badge, the risk is pretty high.
I have cops in the family too and I'd be extremely surprised if you hadn't heard a tale or two from them about either their own exploits or that of another officer on the force, that in the sober light of day, was at least ethically wrong if not outright criminal. Part of the problem is that "good" cops let other cops get away with shit and that undermines public confidence. A little less of the "brotherhood" and a little more of the "duty" and things might eventually get better.
Yeah, I guess the 9/11-was-an-inside-job idiots are right when they accuse me of being a paid CIA "dinsinfo" agent, and the UFO fanatics are right when they insist that I'm "part of the government" so I must be covering up evidence.
Funny, I didn't say any of those things but since you appear to think they are the "same" as what I wrote I have to seriously doubt your good faith. Maybe your first post really was nothing more than flamebait.
You got it backwards. I have to wonder if all you did was grep for "exclusive" - the exclusivity here is that google gets free access to orphan works because they are the only one big enough to club the publishers over the head.
It's rather annoying seeing the same buzz-words and emotional rants all the time;
If the criticism is so broadly consistent that's gotta be a pretty big indication that your self image is out of whack. If you can't handle the cognitive dissonance then don't respond to my posts, or better yet, clean up your act.
Yes, the piracy sciences have been particularly hard hit. Modern piracy enegineering can easily generate the equivalent of 10 blu-rays, or 500 gigabytes, per day. Modern data reduction tools such as x264 have been developed to deal with this data overload, and can frequently reduce a 50GB bluray by more than 10:1 down to 8GB or less without a significant loss of information in the processed data.
True. On the other hand, if random people were yelling insults at me while I was at work I'd be pretty tempted to fuck with them too.
But you aren't a cop. You know, entrusted with the public good and all that "with power comes responsibility" stuff. If a cop can't brush off a little name calling then he might as well just be a member of gang that uses guns and blue gang-colors.
It's cute when you use words which you don't understand:)
You prefer authoritarian? I don't. Just because this time your post was primarily authoritarian doesn't mean that you haven't made nationalistic, anti-egalitarian and militaristic posts in the past.
Apparently not, but thanks for your dissenting opinion Judge.
They make a good faith effort to find the author or their heirs. They will pull any book should the author come back from the grave and contact them.
WTF? Don't be so smug in your ignorance. What you wrote still doesn't negate the fact that what google wants to do is explicit copyright infringement. Think I'm wrong?? Go ahead and prove it, I challenge you to show in US statute or case law where making a "good faith effort" for something you already know to be currently copyrighted is an exception to infringement.
So, I'm no expert here, but is it REALLY possible to design a building which does not resonate at any frequency?
You need a way to dump the energy into some other form, there are multiple ways of doing that, I linked to one in an earlier post. You don't have to dump all of the energy, just enough to prevent it from becoming structurally dangerous within certain margins. I think it is entirely reasonable to expect a building to avoid shaking 19 floors because about 10 people are jumping around. It isn't like they are putting a whole lot of energy into the structure to begin with.
Yeah, it's funny, when I was in school, every time I stood up in class and yelled "FUCK YOU AND YOUR FASCIST IMPERIALIST BRAINWASHING OF YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE MINDS MRS. B!!!", I'd get sent to the principals office and otherwise punished.
Fuckers. Abusing their authority to punish me for such a trivial thing.
And the resident fascist checks in! Good to see that you are in top form, it gives me comfort that the world is still the same as it was yesterday.
Actually, that is EXACTLY what Google is doing. They are distributing books that are still under copyright but for which the copyright owner can not be located. That's still "piracy" under the law.
If there is good for humanity in it, what does it matter if they earn advertising revenue?
That's not the real social problem here, the real problem is that google gets exclusive privileges that no one else does.
So all that happens is these out of print books get locked up in google. If it's going to be legal for google to republish orphaned works without compensation to the authors than it needs to be legal for everyone to do it lest we find ourselves in exactly the same situation again 10 years down the road.
We need a "National Record the Police in Public Day". I think that a public event like this would enforce the point far more strongly that the police losing an occasional lawsuit.
Watch as a few of the more corrupt departments announce a "Put the picture and name of anyone filming us into NCIC tagged as a troublemaker Day."
Sure, it was an unexpected issue the engineers probably never considered, but the point of the article is that it's been tested and is believed to be safe.
Did you RTFA? The article doesn't say anything of the sort. It doesn't comment either way, but it certainly doesn't even imply "no big deal." What it does do is say that even some expert disagree with the current diagnosis.
The real question is, what are you trying to imply?
That having a stick up your ass about resonance is missing the forest for the trees. Bad engineering is bad engineering, no matter the form.
It needs a way to specify at session start what you want to do with the recordings, and do it via easy-to-pick "profiles" so you could have your "taking naked pictures of the girlfriend" profile which won't auto-upload anything and the "oh shit" profile that uploads everything immediately and makes it 100% public too.
Did you read the article? The resonance could only be felt on one very narrow range of floors
So, are you trying to imply that it wasn't a danger? Because otherwise you seem to be saying, "Oh well! Who could have expected a structural engineer to anticipate a problem like this!?"
?As to the gist of your comment - you have stereotypes about 'people like me'? Funny.
Yes, the stereotype is uncompromisingly loud-mouthed. thin-skinned and intellectually rigid. People like that love to trot out meaningless credentials as an appeal to authority. So yeah you hit the stereotype on the head with that reply too.
So: please summarize their basic manifesto, would you?
We support the free flow of information. Anonymous is actively campaigning for this goal everywhere in all forms. This necessitates the freedom of expression for: The Internet, for journalism and journalists, and citizens of the world.
The problem with all of this, what fuels the conspiracy theories, is that false-flag operations really do happen. The various governments destroy their own credibility by engaging in such things.
Yes, it isn't that these people are necessarily "kooks" its that confidence in otherwise legitimate sources of information is regularly undermined. The middle east is a perfect/terrible example - the place lives and breathes conspiracy theories because everyone knows you can't trust the government, or anyone authorised by the government, to speak truth rather than propaganda. So, without reliable sources of information, people are left basically making up their own version of events.
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Would you be happier if, say, Amazon and Apple also launched similar initiatives to make available orphaned works (contingent of course on a similar deal)? Is there anything about this settlement that makes it harder, rather than easier, for other companies to do the same thing?
Of course not. The question is not about corporate access to orphan works, its about the fact that no one practically owns them so why should google, or any one else, get access that the regular joe doesn't.
Your entire objection is rooted in a view of corporate-controlled culture that is fundamentally in opposition to the basic premise of copyright law.
Disclaimer then: some of my family are cops, and some are soldiers.
Perhaps things are just different from this perspective.
It's the bad apple effect.
Risk = Severity x Probability. The amount of damage a bad cop can do to an innocent civilian's life is enormous, so it only takes a few bad apples on the force to make the risk of naively cooperating with a random cop too high. It's different if you have a personal relationship with the specific officer because, chances are, you know if he's a douche or not. But when all you know about the guy is that he has a badge, the risk is pretty high.
I have cops in the family too and I'd be extremely surprised if you hadn't heard a tale or two from them about either their own exploits or that of another officer on the force, that in the sober light of day, was at least ethically wrong if not outright criminal. Part of the problem is that "good" cops let other cops get away with shit and that undermines public confidence. A little less of the "brotherhood" and a little more of the "duty" and things might eventually get better.
by actually asserting your constitutional right to plead innocent and have a trial by jury.
It's simpler than that, they preemptively deny you the trial by jury by classifying anything that's not terribly egregious as a civil offense.
Yeah, I guess the 9/11-was-an-inside-job idiots are right when they accuse me of being a paid CIA "dinsinfo" agent, and the UFO fanatics are right when they insist that I'm "part of the government" so I must be covering up evidence.
Funny, I didn't say any of those things but since you appear to think they are the "same" as what I wrote I have to seriously doubt your good faith. Maybe your first post really was nothing more than flamebait.
You got it backwards. I have to wonder if all you did was grep for "exclusive" - the exclusivity here is that google gets free access to orphan works because they are the only one big enough to club the publishers over the head.
It's rather annoying seeing the same buzz-words and emotional rants all the time;
If the criticism is so broadly consistent that's gotta be a pretty big indication that your self image is out of whack. If you can't handle the cognitive dissonance then don't respond to my posts, or better yet, clean up your act.
Many sciences are experiencing this trend.
Yes, the piracy sciences have been particularly hard hit. Modern piracy enegineering can easily generate the equivalent of 10 blu-rays, or 500 gigabytes, per day. Modern data reduction tools such as x264 have been developed to deal with this data overload, and can frequently reduce a 50GB bluray by more than 10:1 down to 8GB or less without a significant loss of information in the processed data.
True. On the other hand, if random people were yelling insults at me while I was at work I'd be pretty tempted to fuck with them too.
But you aren't a cop. You know, entrusted with the public good and all that "with power comes responsibility" stuff.
If a cop can't brush off a little name calling then he might as well just be a member of gang that uses guns and blue gang-colors.
It's cute when you use words which you don't understand :)
You prefer authoritarian? I don't. Just because this time your post was primarily authoritarian doesn't mean that you haven't made nationalistic, anti-egalitarian and militaristic posts in the past.
Apparently not, but thanks for your dissenting opinion Judge.
They make a good faith effort to find the author or their heirs.
They will pull any book should the author come back from the grave and contact them.
WTF? Don't be so smug in your ignorance. What you wrote still doesn't negate the fact that what google wants to do is explicit copyright infringement. Think I'm wrong?? Go ahead and prove it, I challenge you to show in US statute or case law where making a "good faith effort" for something you already know to be currently copyrighted is an exception to infringement.
Who says they are EXCLUSIVE to google?
Google does. Read the proposed settlement.
They aren't negotiating for everyone, only themselves.
So, I'm no expert here, but is it REALLY possible to design a building which does not resonate at any frequency?
You need a way to dump the energy into some other form, there are multiple ways of doing that, I linked to one in an earlier post. You don't have to dump all of the energy, just enough to prevent it from becoming structurally dangerous within certain margins. I think it is entirely reasonable to expect a building to avoid shaking 19 floors because about 10 people are jumping around. It isn't like they are putting a whole lot of energy into the structure to begin with.
Yeah, it's funny, when I was in school, every time I stood up in class and yelled "FUCK YOU AND YOUR FASCIST IMPERIALIST BRAINWASHING OF YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE MINDS MRS. B!!!", I'd get sent to the principals office and otherwise punished.
Fuckers. Abusing their authority to punish me for such a trivial thing.
And the resident fascist checks in! Good to see that you are in top form, it gives me comfort that the world is still the same as it was yesterday.
Google Books does not pirate books.
Actually, that is EXACTLY what Google is doing. They are distributing books that are still under copyright but for which the copyright owner can not be located. That's still "piracy" under the law.
If there is good for humanity in it, what does it matter if they earn advertising revenue?
That's not the real social problem here, the real problem is that google gets exclusive privileges that no one else does.
So all that happens is these out of print books get locked up in google. If it's going to be legal for google to republish orphaned works without compensation to the authors than it needs to be legal for everyone to do it lest we find ourselves in exactly the same situation again 10 years down the road.
We need a "National Record the Police in Public Day". I think that a public event like this would enforce the point far more strongly that the police losing an occasional lawsuit.
Watch as a few of the more corrupt departments announce a "Put the picture and name of anyone filming us into NCIC tagged as a troublemaker Day."
Sure, it was an unexpected issue the engineers probably never considered, but the point of the article is that it's been tested and is believed to be safe.
Did you RTFA? The article doesn't say anything of the sort. It doesn't comment either way, but it certainly doesn't even imply "no big deal." What it does do is say that even some expert disagree with the current diagnosis.
The real question is, what are you trying to imply?
That having a stick up your ass about resonance is missing the forest for the trees. Bad engineering is bad engineering, no matter the form.
It needs a way to specify at session start what you want to do with the recordings, and do it via easy-to-pick "profiles" so you could have your "taking naked pictures of the girlfriend" profile which won't auto-upload anything and the "oh shit" profile that uploads everything immediately and makes it 100% public too.
We need "broadcast" 'net connected video and photo cams.
That stream LIVE into hosting services in realtime.
Qik is one.
I've learned not to yell anything at cops.
I guess we were lucky we didn't get beat up, tazed, maced and put in jail like this guy.
That's the wrong lesson. What you should have learned is that people with power tend to abuse it, even for the most trivial of things.
Did you read the article? The resonance could only be felt on one very narrow range of floors
So, are you trying to imply that it wasn't a danger? Because otherwise you seem to be saying, "Oh well! Who could have expected a structural engineer to anticipate a problem like this!?"
So, you basically want to live in a land with no government at all?
Nah, he's all talk. Read his resume, he's spent years working for a canadian telco, sucking at the teat of government regulation.
?As to the gist of your comment - you have stereotypes about 'people like me'? Funny.
Yes, the stereotype is uncompromisingly loud-mouthed. thin-skinned and intellectually rigid. People like that love to trot out meaningless credentials as an appeal to authority. So yeah you hit the stereotype on the head with that reply too.
So: please summarize their basic manifesto, would you?
We support the free flow of information. Anonymous is actively campaigning for this goal everywhere in all forms.
This necessitates the freedom of expression for: The Internet, for journalism and journalists, and citizens of the world.
Operation Payback Manifesto
Mock it all you like, won't make it any less of an explicitly political declaration.
The problem with all of this, what fuels the conspiracy theories, is that false-flag operations really do happen. The various governments destroy their own credibility by engaging in such things.
Yes, it isn't that these people are necessarily "kooks" its that confidence in otherwise legitimate sources of information is regularly undermined. The middle east is a perfect/terrible example - the place lives and breathes conspiracy theories because everyone knows you can't trust the government, or anyone authorised by the government, to speak truth rather than propaganda. So, without reliable sources of information, people are left basically making up their own version of events.